Question Rick, if the dimple pattern is supposed to be better through the air, wouldn’t a simulator test not show the full picture because it’s only measuring launch conditions?
Yup, this is what these testers don't get. While yes there is a difference in a dimple pattern for the first few inches of flight, main difference comes later in flight. Now, there might be no diffecnce, because it could all be marketing jargon. However, these should be tested with a trackman outside to see if there is any difference.
Agree. A launch monitor will calculate flight based on assumptions about the ball's flight characteristics. If the dimple pattern does anything then those assumptions are likely wrong.
yeah i was wondering how the wind would affect this ball , i've noticed a shallow dimpled ball like a titleist AVX will cut through wind much better than something designed for more spin / deeper old school dimples, still a great video though
I'm sure he gets the high end version of the same tees. You're basically getting the factory seconds that aren't the same quality. His clearly have less friction.
Rick. When you do swing videos in the future; please incorporate camera angle and the slowmo right at 1:00 minute of this video. That might be the most helpful swing example I've ever seen. Thanks for the content and stay safe. P.s. I like your daily walks. Good message!
I second. Too bad Dunlop brand has had so many issues. I had super success with many of the Dunlop ball like the Total Performance (the ball that does it all)... Moebius and their 65U urethane offerings were very, very unique.
Mike Shaw came up with the idea and I did the original dimple patterns using Moebius triangles..... circa 1989 Mike also led the design of the original DDH in mid 70's along with Bob Haynes. Despite the 65u blurb the original design was solely for extra distance. Ad men didn't thi k the public would buy such a different looking ball.
Rick, how do you expect to test the differences in dimple pattern on a simulator? Different dimple patterns will create different turbulent flows around the ball, which could effect how the ball reacts to spin, speed, and wind. The simulator does not have the ability to read the dimple pattern change it's ball physics. To properly test this you'll have to go outside and use a radar ball tracker like the Trackman or something.
The reason that this can be tested indoors is because of the package’s claims. It claimed to have higher energy return and that’s something that gc quad would pick up
@@RickShielsPGA Sorry to disagree, but even if it is about contact and energy transfer - any change in dimple pattern will have an effect/affect on the aerodynamics. It could be plus or minus. It's possible that dimple pattern to create better energy transfer actually causes more drag and thus offsets the effects of the energy transfer.
@@RickShielsPGA on the back of the box the club speed says under 105mph. Would the ball potentially be more helpful for me who swings slower as opposed to you?
I'm sure these claims of more speed and more spin are as compared to their other "E" series golf balls, not their premium balls. A comparison test against the TM Tour Response or Titleist Tour Soft would be interesting and useful for us to see.
One thing my grandfather always said, rarely will equipment have an effect on where the ball goes, or how far it travels, the biggest factor is the nut in the end of the handle.
The GC Quad machine is amazing that it can develop so much information in the micro-second of impact and flight for the first few feet. But how does it account for aerodynamic differences in the balls to determine their flight characteristics? I don't believe it can...so two identical construction balls with different dimple patterns could appear to be identical on the GC Quad but vastly different in how high they go and how far they fly. Hitting them out in the real world would be the only way to show if the dimple pattern on the Bridgestone actually works or not.
@@hotshot14972 it is accurate but the dimple patterns do make a difference. This particular ball could cut through the wind better or fly better in outdoor conditions. GC quad is a great tool but it can't tell you everything.
So they took Top Flite dimple in dimple tech from 15 years ago, and Callaway hexagon dimple tech from like 10 years ago and mashed then together. Brilliant.
Exactly. This is a toe-dipper for the people who only use Top Flites and want a slightly "improved" ball without forking over a lot of cash. It's not a ProV or TP5, but I don't know who is expecting it to be. I'll be honest and say I'm tempted to try out a dozen, but I also really like the Vice that I have and occasionally throw in a TP5 when I feel like I'm all over the place.
As a relatively beginner golfer, I use the Bridgestone e6's. When I get better I will bump up to the better Bridgestones. I love these golf balls...also its probably a bit supersticious, mental, habit for me to play the Bridgestone
I play the E6 straight ball, and as for the "straight" claim, it'll save you from one degree of trouble. So instead of being out of bounds, you'll be in the deep rough. Instead of deep rough, you'll be in the light rough. Instead of light rough you'll just stay within the fairway. Compared to many many other balls I've tried, E6 makes a tangible difference for me. And yet it still stops well on approach shots and chipping around the green. Surprisingly so for a "game improvement ball" that often spin like rocks. Of course, if you put an absolutely terrible swing on it, you can still hook it or slice it to kingdom come and lose your ball, it's a good ball but it's not magic 😄
I would love to see a review of the Titleist Prestige golf ball. Only sold in Japan and at a higher price point that the ProV1. It performed longer and softer than the ProV1 for me.
Not sure how fast he'll bounce back after this one... Reading his list of injuries is like reading the damage on a motorcyclist after a big off... I'm DEVISTATED for him, he was just getting his mojo back....💔
Back in 1978 My first job was with a testing company and we tested a dozen golf at a club in Arizona. The balls were hit by local pros and college players. One the balls , an Omega , had this dimple pattern . It performed well but did not beat some of the balls that the pros normally use. They kept the design for a few years and then discontinued it.
Trajectory is everything in golf shots. It is what makes drives roll for extra distance after carry and approach shots not roll off of greens. The challenge is designing a ball which can do both: lower trajectory for drives, approach shots which drop like mortar shells. Since most shots are lost around the green I value the ‘drops like a mortar’ quality with mid and even long irons vs distance off the tee.
Rick, I was one of the testers for this golf ball about a month before it came out and I have to say I was shocked at this balls performance in the wind. I just happened to test this ball on two fairly windy days (15-25mph). The wind could not touch this ball, it absolutely just cut through the air. I am wondering if this technology will go into their Tour line because I currently play the Tour BX and I am seriously considering changing which is bad for Bridgestone because I will now spend less lol. I know you can’t quite fully test outdoors yet but it’s worry a try when you can because it’s performance in the wind is where it really shines.
Thanks for another great test, Rick. But I do have an important tip: if you test a material or object relative to another, hit the shits alternately with the one and the other. That eliminates the influence of your shape of the day, among many other variables.
Surely you have to hit outdoors fully length on the course to see if the dimples effect ball flight. Your launch monitor just measures ball speed, launch angle and spin and uses the same algorithum to estimate the results for every ball hit.
Using the Tiger ball now(previously pro v1). Cheaper and feels softer than the Pro v1, which I like. Reminds me of the Titleist tour balata/professional 90/100 for those old enough to remember them!😂 they are definitely more durable than an old skool balata/pro 90/100!
Aint goin lie i ordered couple boxes of bxs for upcoming season and preordered box of these e12 contacts too the marketing got me too still excited to get em and at nothin else ill use em in practice or a substitute for when i dont feel like losin bxs. So glad to see i wasnt only one super intrigued by the marketing
I love the Bridgestone golf balls I played the tiger edition golf ball and what I like about it is I get the field the distance and I honestly think they cut through the wind a lot better than your Titleist and other balls
Need to test this outside Rick, surely one of the key points about dimples, is how they cut through the air resistance. You can't test that on an indoor simulator.
Rick, thanks for the review and all your content. I normally use a Titleist Velocity and recently switched over to the Bridgestone Contact. I’m a 17 handicap and feel I play better with the “Contact”. My balls seem to go straighter and a couple yards further. I’ve also seen more control around the green. Could you do a head to head between the velocity and the contact?
I'd be interested to see ball reviews and comparisons for the cheaper stuff Joe Average uses. I bought 48 Slazenger balls from Sports Direct recently as a good example. Wondering if they offer such reduced performance, and should I buy a better ball for monthly medals etc
Another stellar review Rick! Thank you! On a side note, I listen to the pod every week and wanted to say, don’t abandon your quest to get faster. We always need something to work on to try and conquer the un-conquerable game. Pete was able too increase significantly so why not you as well? Love you Guy but, don’t try to talk him out of it!
Hey Rick! Huge fan of yours and recently have taken up golf. Your instructional videos have been a huge help!! I'm currently deployed in Japan and I was wondering if you ever do any giveaways to military?
i finally broke down and bough a dozen. Played 9 holes with it last night; the spin on wedges was fine (it was never going to back up on me 20', but that's a good thing --- zipping balls back unexpectedly is bad for us amateurs). Distance on my irons was exceptional, for my swing, on iron shots, these types of balls tend to fly further and straighter. On my driver shots, Pro V's beat this thing all day, but i'm not sure by how much. I didn't hit it as far as i hit my Pro V's with driver, but that's my swing, FWIW.
I signed up for the test play program. And got two of these balls sent to me about a month ago. Neat idea but they’re a little too soft for me. I like a firmer ball and didn’t really notice much of a difference but I am a fan of Bridgestone.
Rick question, whats a good driver for someone wanting to practice driving to get better with? price can be either high or low, no contest there. Thanks mate!
Rick I wonder if you should have hit some Pro V1s at the same time as a reference point. With your ongoing training to increase clubhead speed, it would have been good to have a current point of reference as to how many yards you gained from the ball vs the training.
By straighter, I don't believe they mean if it starts on line, I believe they mean shot shape or reduced side spin. Would love to know what your average curvature distance is in relation to a more premium ball
More material might equal less overall compression. Also the air flow boundary layer could be less disturbed with the shallow dimple, increasing drag. For a good test though, it should be tested outside.
Sand off the dimples and play the ball. It will go between half and three quarters of the distance. Why? It is all to do with the turbulence of the air over the surface of the ball. When you add dimples you affect what is known as the Reynolds number. The lower the number the more laminate the flow, the higher the number the more turbulent. Dimple patterns therefore help,optimise spin and flight characteristics. Ball manufacturers adjust dimple patterns to improve ball,performance by optimising the Reynolds number across a range of ball strikes. So, do not be surprised to see different dimple patterns; it is fluid mechanics at work.
Hi Rick. I looking to change the balls I use. Am currently using Bridgestone E6. I am a 14 handicap and improving. I have been down to 11 in the past. I find these balls good but looking for a more spinny ball around the green. I using the Taylor made MG3 wedges. What’s balls would You recommend to be looking at without spending a fortune? Great videos by the way.
Hey rick! could you please do a review on the Robin Golf club set? my dad finally was able to get a back surgery that will allow him to walk without pain.. and for the first time in a long time we are going to be able to golf again. and I want to get him a new set of clubs and im torn between getting him the Robin set or the Stix set that you did a review on.
Ball COR is already capped by the R&A and USGA, and maxed out by the major manufacturers, so the dimple pattern would only affect aerodynamics, which can only be evaluated outdoors on full distance shots (not into a net)
Question, if you have a ball and it's technology is different dimples, does it make sense to use the launch monitor? It can sense spin and speed, but not airflow around the ball. I assume it's using some predertemined metric for air resistance.
Thanks for the review. Would a 80-90 mph swing get more distance compared to other brands like Srixon Qstar tour, TM Tour Response ? That test would be interesting. Also how do the other brands perform on spin n peak height.
The Bridgestone balls are going to take over in the uk in my opinion, tiger woods and dechambeau use them. Two players realllyyyy into detailed specs. Also Jason day has started using it 👀👀
You should do a review on the Chromax neon green M5 golf ball. “Easiest ball to find” and gives a “competitive visual advantage” slightly gimmicky but above average performance considering.
Rick, have you ever done a review on the Taylormade RBZ soft balls? I have found for the price to me it matches or exceeds the Callaway Chromesofts on every level at a 5th of the price.
You know Rick in light of the pandemic as soon as the courses open up we could all use a good “Second Hand Club Challenge”. I know the last was the final but special circumstance deems special measures.
Hi Rick I have notice in your last few videos that you have made you want to gain distance.Why not do a review on different x-stiff shaft weights to see which shaft will give you that extra distance you lost in the past few years. Thanks for all the amazing videos love to watch them.😁
The numbers with the Bridgestone are near perfect and you get a carry of 280 yards . I just wonder if you would get more ground distance with a slightly less lofted driver ?
Hey Rick how is that swing speed training going? How are you liking those speed stick or whatever they are called? Have you been able to see a difference yet?
