These New Decks Just Broke The Game. 

imo the core issue is power creep, every card is either a complete monster that does everything or is a card that would be game-warpingly good in any other tcg but in ygo is unplayable trash because the power curve is just so absurd

@@Yinlock470 Well, there's a lot of other reasons certain cards work better in Yugioh than other games. Other games have more restrictions on their mechanics. Pot of Greed is a good card because there's no cost it's just free. In another game Pot of Greed would be terrible, because you can only play one card for that turn and you used it to draw a card and a second card to replace the card instead of an offensive or defensive effect. Yugioh enables so much gas that nobody plays a trap card unless it's absurdly disruptive, because they have to set it to use it next turn and that's considered "slow" because they could have used another spell or monster effect instead... And hand traps are preferable to trap cards, because the interaction is harder to play around than many of the traps themselves. The problem is there's waaaay too much generic support, rather than restricted archetype specific special summons. Example being what Dragon Link does. They play Blue-Eyes, Red-Eyes, Rokket, Chaos, Bestials, totem, and so on for a bunch of extra deck monsters that happen to be really powerful dragons. Why? Because the only restriction they may have throughout the entire turn is maybe "you can only special summon Dragons for the rest of the turn" on free +1s. How about Sprite? Easily could have slapped a harsher restriction than saying "Oh yeah, anything with a 2 rating is fine." Oh cool, so just infinite special summons because all your level twos search each other and can be special summoned. Great game design. And let's look at everyone's generic link-based extra deck. I wonder what rank 4 always shows up. Access Code Talker? Woah, what an original card. Gee. Who else? Oh, just this girl riding a bear that says "no" to monster effects depending on how many you used to make them. Synchro? Oh man, I wonder what level ten synchro is gonna be made. Gee, this card is new to me. Bear on the floor? Is that how you say it? Wouldn't know, because it's the fifth time I seen it today. Even when you slap on a "for the rest of the turn" restriction, it can usually be added as a combo ender or end of turn play like: Oh wow, main phase 2 Destiny Fusion?! What could possibly be made with that? Woah. It's some kind of Phoenix-Person! Totally new to the format. If Yu-Gi-Oh had hard line in the sand archetype specific structures rather than generic powerful things slotted into every deck, it'd solve some gripes with the combo spam. Like summoning a bunch for boss monsters is fine, but why can every single freaking deck make them instead of the ones they're clearly designed for/from? It's out of control.

Actually both are the problems, nobody want to spend 15 minutes of their life to wait for opponent playing solitaire with their cards, no matter what the board is. So many players complained and quit the game because of that reason

@@bdc129 to be honest, of all the card games I've played (yu gi oh, weiβ schwarz, hearthstone, shadowverse, pokemon tcg, union arena, legends of runeterra), Yu gi oh and LOR are the few one's that you actually can do something in your opponent's turn to stop them (I heard MTGalso have these mechanics?)

Honestly I prefer more interruption then negation at best I'll take 1 negation from field.

12 isn't enough :)

Thats why its best to have multiple deck most of the time I start whith some go first type deck, and if I loose toi many coin toss I just start to play with my go second deck full of kaiju, super poly , luna etc . And when I just want to chill I play a meme deck in casual mode

Run buster blader branded np

wait, branded have an omni negate?

@@jabermogwai5996 They’re using puppets and some other high level monster effects summoned to your side of the field. Then you can’t summon x monsters.

@@C0d0ps but gimmick puppet is a floodgate, not an omni, the guy says "their 2 omnis" , i know branded use puppet lock, but i never encounter branded endboard with an omni negate

@@jabermogwai5996 I guess it depends what you mean with Omni negate. - Mostly it is monster effect negates or playing with your grave yard. Borreload savage dragon synchro is used by some. - Tax dragon isn’t fun to play against. I have read up on all the link monsters.

You did way more than just pendulum summoning unless you had access to harmonizing early for baronne

That's a big reason why I adore Crystal Beast Ruby Carbuncle

I'm just gonna stare at my Darklord Morningstar, I can special summon as many Darklord monsters from Hand or Deck onto field equivalent to the amount of face-up effect monsters on the opponent's side of the field. And I like to go into this using Capricious Darklord, summoning Nergal is a must for that piercing to go through.

​@@jimtsap04 Pendymion and Qli can do that classic Pendulum thing. Most of the time, they can gather the cards they need, with minimum summons, then special summon them from hand like OG Pendulum.

Endymion might be the scariest of them pendulums.

They've been moving away from negates for months now. Most new decks focus more on interactions/disruptions. Furthermore, most new decks lock themselves into either elements, types or both. It's not perfect but things are getting better.

OG* Yu gi Oh might love the combo, but in any game marketing knows that to increase revenue they need new player and increase player base... thats why they release RUSH duel, so kids and casual player able to digest Yu gi Oh. But the damage already been done... Those combo play will always slap to the face for any newcomer...

whenever you see a tuner you know baronne is coming they can't help themselves

They'll never see my signal warrior coming >:)

Why MD has all the problem extenders (Chaos Dragon, Tomahawk, and mech beast) unbanned is beyond me.

The non ss deck ending on basically a soul sword end board was a wild clip 😅

Plenty hate combo decks, bro.

I do

I hate in general not combodecks but floodgate decks

Trust me, there are

@@spicymemes7458 only yugiboomers really

Agreed, they need to seriously stop with it. I thought we were done with this deck

the only way to fix the game is action economy, not mass banning cards like Farfa suggests. Konami will never do this because to them everything is working as intended.

@@th0r0shvener52 The game needs a resource system, Yugioh is like a case study in how to badly design a TCG, there's a reason literally every other TCG ever made has a limit on how much you can do in one turn, action economy based on a resource system, for example the most common comparison being Magic, you can only play one land per turn unless searching one out from the deck but those usually come into play tapped and can't be used on that turn, therefore there's only so much mana you can use in one turn. Yugioh is just "pray they don't have Nibiru or have your board be immune to being blown up by your 5th special summon of the turn". There's no way to save Yugioh sadly, its way, way past the point of no return, Konami don't give a shit about the state of the game or how toxic the community is, they just see it as "number go up, sales are good, income go brrr"

Thank you! Tiaraments strongest!

I am like when small star card become many shiny star and many effect!

@@z1u512 effect so good

things would be healthier if everyone decided that midrange, interaction heavy decks were the protagonists of yugioh rather than now where anything which remotely uses backrow is toxic yugiboomer monkey flip gameplay

​​@@samuelheddlethat's another bias which for me seems very wrong (I never liked facing a Salamangreat deck for example, handtrap control basically). Midrange and control are the best at interaction, for example labrynth without Virus/DBarrier/Skill drain is insanely interactive and it's also the version I usually play even at locals, although withsome meme takes (with compulse/idp/dogma punishment/weighbridge etc). You could ban every single floodgate continuous trap from this game or things like DBarrier and virus, you would still complain about labrynth regardless. Interaction comes in multiple forms, not just monsters (Transaction Rollback is a very good step in the right direction for example, or also how Traptrix changed towards a midrange-control deck)

​@@miotakamiyai don't really like "copy GY effect" cards because they just seem like they're ripe to break the game. i do think stuff like lab would be fine if the blowout traps were gone, or like, Floo if the deck didn't so heavily promote playing floodgates alongside it

Don’t think Lab isn’t terrible, but being able to search traps like Dimensional Barrier is such an op effect. It should just search Lab cards instead of any normal trap

Opponent - this is my end board 10 negates and 5 pops good luck You -_-

@@DanXRojas 10/10 tables are flipped 😎

Depends on the deck. This is why I like going 2nd decks it takes advantage of this trend in a fun way

And they limit/ban the floodgates..

@@kylemarlobaula987 They should ban all floodgates. Now that would be a great step in the right direction

Did we ever learn if he was playing Tidal? 😂 also his name was amazing too

Did the guy respond in the chat?

They are super fun and are nuts when it gets going, but brick super hard unless you do go all in on fusion support cards or have them has a split deck with something like punk or kash. I saw one punk gg deck that was absolutely bonkers and I refused to surrender just to watch them cook.

They can actually sneak a win in so easy with some of there spells the amount of times I go against a meta board then whip out a 7650 attack meat stick and take game

Mid range players are ok.

Ehh I just don't like stun

@@Ragnarok540 Mid range decks are just combo decks but with insane recovery so it is about the same.

what else should a combo do instead tho? spam floodgates?

Yeah, now a days either players use meta decks to win within 2 to 4 turns or players like me that don't use meta and actually have fun. It's gotten to a point that if I see someone play certain cards on the first turn I straight up leave because I'd like to actually play the game. To me it feels like we really don't even need the cards at this point and the winner of a match comes down to the coin flip result.

Yeah, stun is garbage and combo is good

Yes, the combo deck that end on 5 omnis is beatable through either hand traps or board breakers, which everyone plays because those cards are often effective against other decks as well, such as midrange decks. The stun deck can only be beat by a selection of specific cards which are rarely playable because they're only ever useful against stun specifically.

You can use nibiru, kaiju, lava Golem, drnm, etc against a combo deck. With stun you can't do anything.

draw the out versus draw the out

The difference is combo decks spend 20 minutes playing solitaire to make it so you can't play the game, while stun decks so the same just faster

You could even argue that since stun relies on critical mass of stun cards, any combination of those stun cards are already full combo. We only don't count them as combos since they don't cycle their engine from the deck, so to say. So yes, stun cards absolutely do have 2-card combos and even 3-card combos. Try outing Boarder + Summon Limit + Clockwork Night.

just not true

@@wubwubdododo5656 That is a descriptive, logical and detailed argument you got there clearly this is worth listening to /s

Agreed. Basically since the introduction of synchro summoning, every deck isa combo deck. The only difference is the speed has gotten faster over years and the power of the end board has gotten stronger as well.

I think the problem is sort of the reverse really. Most combo decks end up being just stun/control decks with extra steps. If I'm gonna not be allowed to play the game because every effect is restricted/negated and every monster negated and/or destroyed/banished anyway, than I'd rather it took the opponent 20 seconds to set it up rather than 15 minutes.

that happens a lot when they misclick or just mess up the combo by accident, they'd rather just go to the next game to try it again lol

ngl i've done that before when i misclicked an effect in my springans deck.

when solitaire goes wrong i guess, they just enjoy making their opponent suffer hopelessly by spliting out all of their extra deck for the negates

Agreed on fighting games. Better player generally always wins, it's a much better competitive format for 1v1 than card games IMO

Funnily enough fighting game players are the only people I recommend yugioh to nowadays. As a fighting game player, memorizing long combo lines is what we live for and complaining about what your opponent is playing is par for the course

@@sladevalen Also a tolerance for cheap stuff and unwinnable situations, depending on what game you come from. Hard to complain about anything in yugioh after playing, say, Marvel 3 lol

How is mathmech glass cannon? It plays through so much interruption it's stupid

mathmech is boring because it just turns into whether you have a response to circular. combo is at its most boring when there's an obvious point where if you interrupt, you win, otherwise you lose

mathmech can play through ash, imperm, and a graveyard hate interruption. droll does kind of bone it but not so bad that it can't end on _something_ and a lot of decks crumple to droll like that. not sure what you are talking about. combo almost never lacks grind game because part of the point of an actual combo deck is finding many ways to your combo. any "combo" that can be stopped with one interruption is just a potential play, and if your deck can only make that play or else die, then it's not a "combo deck" in the same way that all the decks we've been talking about, plus all the various synchro combo decks throughout the years, or decks like tearlament, most certainly are

Personally I disagree I'd rather not have a playstyle come down to "If you out my board you win if you can't I win". I'd prefer it if combo decks had recovery to where they have plays but on the following turn there's always that one card that they went through turn 1 that is what makes the combo deck turbo out all those boss monsters gone. Therefore they'd have to play more midrangey ending on at best a boss monster or two per turn afterwards. Best example would probably be synchrons. If junk speeder was limited and you outed their board they'd have to string stuff together to obtain a boss monster that they're able to get to from what they have. That's what I'd like combo decks to be like.

there are really some great midrange decks right now, i am praying that race gets their support soon

I also like it when combo decks don't try to basically end the duel turn 1. Wombo combos are way more interesting when you can interrupt them, especially if the combo deck is versatile enough to adapt to those interruptions. Might end in really wtf scenarios.

@@dudono1744 Exactly I play tons of different playstyles of decks and I enjoyed almost all of them (stun I just cannot bring myself to enjoy) and yeah I love it when an interruption causes them to go through entirely different lines or do certain plays they wouldn't normally do. I play Speedroids for example and depending on the stuff that I search or drop with rubber band shooter leads to different lines, different endboards and honestly sometimes I'd actually choose to make crystal clear wing over Barrone or even the Bike depending on the matchup or how my hand is look or how much I was interrupted. Synchrons look rigid but they can be a very freestyle deck to where you have to do things on the fly. Ngl the turns do take a while for that deck so I don't even blame people when they surrender but I've had some good games with that deck.

@@Honest_Mids_Masher I'm mostly on Drytron, and once got my opponent to declare Xyz with D-Barrier. I was expecting them to declare Ritual so I went for some weird shit to get a 3k atk Mu Beta and go bonk, but my opponent saw through that.

Im fine with negates *in moderation* I wish negates were limited to handtraps and spells/traps personally because even if you play through all the negates you still cant out their board

@@FrostReave I think negates on monsters should be like Stardust. You'd have to choose between negating and keeping your monster to block attacks. Also omni-negates on monsters should only be found on hard to summon monsters like Quasar, nowadays we literally have omni-negates on level 4 synchros.

Exactly~ they had leathal on their second summon that turn on an empty board with zero cards In hand and just kept going. Practice your combos in solo mode, people don't have infinite time to sit and watch someone else pop off for no reason.😅

@@CAOcreations I once had an idiot giving me pity turns while I had 0 cards in hand or board while hiding behind 20k dmg monster. Keep popping my only card I draw with Smoke Grenade. You need to be a special kind of friendless loser to do that.

Sometimes I do that thinking how I can attack for game not realizing I have game because my opponent lowered their LP or because I didn't want to do basic math

Ah yes, have been following you for a while, excellent dragunity content you have there

@@mecarzoo342 Thank you!

Really enjoyed the replay! Picked Dragunity back up because of that! Quick question: is the Baby Roc in there for NS Senatus lines when you have no access to Remus/Ravine (and thus no target for Zephyros to return to hand)? I've been running Senatus x2/Baby Roc x1for those situations; is that a fine enough ratio?

@@ShiroiKibaSenatus is just an optional card I choose to run at 1 copy. It's there to bait out disruptions and unbrick certain hands. Baby Roc is there for mostly the early Crystal Wing lines, as an anti-Nibiru measure. Also, there are times where you can use it, instead of Ringowurm, if you happen to send Ringowurm early to the GY, with Ravine or Gae Dearg. And, ofc, it helps in combo lines where, like you said, you have nothing to bounce with Zephyros...

@craftymindgaming3243 appreciate the message back! I didn't even think about early Crystal Wing lines, because people frequently shotgun Nibiru on the Romulus summon, so I just Glow to search Mystletainn and use my NS to full combo lol Watched some of your videos (and subscribed) and I didn't even think about using ASS dragon and Beast to get around DRNM; good stuff. I know it's not good, but I've been running Couse and Oubliette, so when I have Oubliette/Glow in hand to start I can search the other and use Couse to end on Areadbhair instead of Savage to have the counter live (and a negate) Now that I know that trick, I can drop those two lol. Thanks again, I'll have to leave a comment on one of your videos (algorithm and all that jazz)

blame konami for making those generic extra deck monster, things like savage, barrone, appo etc should not be allowed to be make using generic material

I think the issue lies in the general rules for the game. We use homemade rules with my friends and it stops almost all the problems modern YGO has. Starting with 45 unique cards decks with only 1 set of 3 same card allowed, 5 extra deck cards, 5 total summons are allowed per turn maximum, extra monster zone are removed as well as spell field zone and we get 4 monster zone and 4 spell zone, thats it. Also the same effect of any card can only be used twice per turn maximum. And finally you get EITHER a main phase 1 OR a main phase 2, but never both. There is a few others rule changes but you get the idea, this change the dynamic of the game so much, removes a lot of FTK/OTK and insane boards. Not saying our rules are the best but what I mean is that Konami should look into changing some core rules that allow us to have fun while they keep releasing cards.

​@@konanLerehcobi think fun for each person is different, i have been playing yugioh since 5ds era. Until now, i like the modern ygo better because its kinda "break the opp board, you win" So its more puzzlery.

There is 1 healthy floodgate It's called anti-floo floodgate (prevent tributing)

@@fracazer I got a better solution. Just ban all the floo cards. This is surely and objective improvement.

There is a healthy floodgate. Imperial Iron Wall (no banish for u, Kash)

@@RandomSquirrel My icejade deck need that banish 😭

@@fracazer Summon Chaos Hunter then, I guess.

In master duel that's technically what Maxx "C" does along with Nibiru.

Limiting the number of actions a player can take is an arbitrary control. Ishizu Tear is still one of the most interactive mirror matches in any card game that I've played, both players play on turn 1, and Labyrinth furniture is another step in this design philosophy. Ironically, the way to "fix" yugioh and make it interactive is to increase the amount of actions a player can take on any given turn

Yeah traptrix has an issue where their traps only work when the opponent summons a monster. The issue comes when you're going second and your opponent has already summoned a monster. This is pretty much one of the main issues with traptrix. Cards exist however that remove your opponent's field so you can put them in a position to where they'll have to summon but unfortunately those aren't searchable. Cards like evenly matched, Dark ruler no more and decent handtraps that shutdown the opponent like droll helps. Limiting special summons or draws both won't do much. The best decks right now don't special summon much and if they do they can still put up negates in just a few. As for drawing well it might be hard to tell but they aren't drawing they're adding cards to hand which are two different things but limiting those won't do much either. What those limitations would do is actually make a lot of the casual and rogue decks much worse. Cyberdarks can definitely be good enough going first or second though, same with the spider deck. Traptrix just has the issue of hole traps only activating when your opponent summons something. Anyways yeah limiting actions would hurt a lot of decks just not the ones that could actually be considered problematic. Btw the special summons aren't the issue. Certain decks can put up the same endless negates in very few summoned like I've mentioned and others have to jump through hoops to get to that. The number of special summons does not equal to how powerful the deck is.

@@jonathanellwood2093 The problem that I have always found with the arguments in favor of ishizu Tear is that mirrors are always used to justify that they are not oppressive decks which is true, ishizu cards partially harm you when ther send cards from the rival to graveyard, especially if your opponent plays the same deck But outside of that context (quite specific) it is a deck that: force your opponent to play your style gives you the option to recover resources and interrupt your rival and you can do all of the above in the turn of both players Lab is the same without the first point. Giving more interactions to the rival is a partial solution as long as they are generic so as not to have to compromise the structure of your deck, which helps but also makes these resources accessible to the cause of the problem, leaving the only more or less viable option to wait for support for ( hopefully) give a little fight to the hegemonic strategy of the moment

My unpopular opinion(s) is that ALL effects should be limited to hard once per turn. And that special summons should be limited to (arbitrary number) 5 per turn. And that Pot of Greed should be taken off the ban list, even if only to 1.

Isn't every single YGO deck by definition a combo deck? I guess Rastafarian is right and Master Duels is indeed a ridiculous, poorly designed card game who is overly unfriendly with new players.

@@N12015 not every deck is a combo deck, Control decks have lighter Combos too but are more focused on ressource management. Combo decks have less cards that can stand on their own and are independend. As a new Player you are very overwhelmed by that. It's one of the things that has to change.

People literally won going second in the video what're you on?

@@Honest_Mids_Masher That happens rarely, it's more RNG on top of RNG. If you don't draw the out your done, reason why I haven't played in months

@@Efgand0894 There'll always be RNG to an extent although I disagree and that going second solely and I mean solely relies on drawing the out. Hell dragonlink is full gas and is insane going second. Dragunity a deck I play going second can do that thanks to whirlwind. VS, Purrely, Mathmech, etc.

​@@Honest_Mids_Masher literal bots istg lol