These seemed too good to be true... 

Congrats! Hope you get good mileage out of it.

Now it is time to get into jayz2cents overclocking videos; he is personally enthusiastic on that topic. Keep in mind that as temperatures and voltages go up, hardware life goes down. As manufacturers are not building silicon to only survive a year or two, you then ask if you want a computer that lasts 10 years to begin with or want it some small fraction faster in performance.

Love to see these posts. I just made a post on my FB as I saw the anniversary of my first PC build come up... It was literally the beginning of everything for me. I built it cuz I wanted to try out PC gaming. but what it did, was led me down a rabbit hole that ended up seeing me go back to university for CS and begin working at a company called 45Drives - 6 years later and I have just been promoted to their Chief Architect. Life is wild, and it all started from that first gaming PC build.

Going to EDSFF might help with that. Maybe by replacing some AIC slots with E3 ones.

yeah something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, I really don't want to spend a thousand bucks for a motherboard

no we dont. we had sli systems before, even quad sli. all is fine.

@@Zfast4y0u he's talking about the DESIGN of motherboards, did you see how the graphics card was in the way?,,,and also boards that support both

​@@dbunik44yesh, but you can only fit so much into a rectangle of given size, seeing as enthusiasts demand space for cable management, room to see the pretty lights, non-gigantic form factor cases....

we need updated cases with fan mounts perfect for SSDs and Ram air flow

Yeah, we need some good 3rd party solutions for retrofitting current motherboard heatsinks. Current mobo designs suck because the NVMes are all trapped under the GPU or CPU cooler. Current NVMe coolers and heatsinks are too tall and the included mobo heatsinks are too anemic. There's gotta be a solution to this though. Even if it's just a flattened heatpipe stuck to existing heatsinks with thermal pads, as long as it is shaped to bend around the GPU or extend in a direction where it can get some airflow it's gonna make a huge difference. Overall I don't think cases need more fans or anything. It's just that smaller component placement has been neglected because they weren't this hot before. In the big picture it's only a difference of 5-10 watts.

The mesh versions of the Fractal North already ship with a separate fan bracket in the same position as described.

😂😂😂😂😂 Can you imagine mini nuclear reactors with an entire separate box for coolant, just to use a PC. 😂🤡

realize almost EVERYTHING with PCs and system building has evolved but what about cases? they're pretty much still basically the same since the beginning of home computing. Seriously, since the ATX revolution (yeah I remember the old xt and 286 days, yikes) what's changed other than some exquisite boutique cases? I can't afford 4,000 dollars for a case.. so..

Agree. I cooled my primary Gen 4 SSD after the first one failed a few weeks in (likely a fluke - it was replaced free of cost) with a Corsair block and I can't get it above 50C even if I try. It was pretty easy to add in my loop, put it in between the GPU and CPU.

the faster it is, the lesser improvement it will be, so going from HDD to SSD and NVME were biggest jumps, from gen to gen... you mostly will see improvement in moving files, but that also has it limits since windows has slow file access time, that's why linux and mac are way quicker with file access and those kinds of speeds don't matter in gaming, loading might improve by 1% from going gen 3 to gen 4, but literally nothing from gen 4 to gen 5, and gen 5 have heating problems and they slow down to SSD speeds when they do overheat, so you need additional cooler for nvme drive to keep decent speeds

Optane is supposed to be better at this than regular SSD's that use flash. A bunch of new kinds of memory are under development to fill that niche again.

Fair enough and already knew about optane but never really knew the reason why the random read/write performance was always so poor on all drives that weren't either optane or enterprise grade.@@whyjay9959

Yep - if you want low latency and high random performance at low queue depth, you want a P5800X Optane drive. That is the pinnacle of low latency high IOPS. I mean you can get away with a P4800X or 900P/905P but they are first generation so the random performance is lower as well as being PCIE gen 3 limited while the P5800X is gen 4. (yes I am a big Optane fan - Unfortunately, I only have a P1600X 58GB and a couple 16GB 'Optane Memory Module's They are all just NVME drives, even the 16GB 'cache drive'. There are also the Optane DIMMs - but those are server only.

Haha already knew about those drives too but man are they expensive. Would be nice if some day that tech trickled down to consumer drives so we didn't have to pay insane prices. If I was rich though I'd have an all optane system just because I could 😂@@cracklingice

I noticed that. Maybe something blew, a brownout or an lightning strike nearby?

Probably just ghosts

if your on a sata ssd and don't care why would you upgrade to a nvme gen 5 drive now?🤔

@@raven4k998 for gen 5,nothing. But you can see slight boost with gen 3-4 for reasonable prices. Also M2 cards don't need cables etc so they make your system "cleaner", that is if you have the M2 slots for it.

Instead of a plastic, plastic plate of course.

corsair made SSD waterblocks a few years ago. but they weren't even really necessary then lol

Linus did a watercool m.2 ssd in one of his videos. At the time, it was over kill. But with pcie-5 and 6 +, it may become a thing.

@@lyianx Considering the current MoBo layouts and their overbuilt VRMs, I actually doubt that water-cooled M.2 drives will be very popular. It'll probably turn out the same as in the past: manufacturers shrink the die-size of their controllers and NAND chips which will give us similar thermals to current drives in probably a year or two.

Yep exactly. Larger drives have more chips --> which can be access parallel. So it makes absolute sense, that larger drives are usually faster.

I won't claim to know the how or why, but my experience has been that higher capacity SSDs are rated faster not slower. Also, there isn't a SATA 6 spec; it's SATA 3 which has a 6 Gbps rating. I know it's somewhat nitpicky. Tech people know what is meant by "SATA 6". My first ever SSD was an OCZ (rip) SATA 2 (3 Gbps) drive (agility series maybe). I can't remember the capacity, but it might have been as little as 60 GB. I bought it for LOTRO, and it made a huge difference when loading into 21st Hall. It would take 30 seconds plus for all of the other players to fully load when zoning in back when Moria was the latest expansion. The SATA 2 SSD dropped it to a few seconds. I can't remember specifics, it's been over a decade, but I think it was less than 10s after moving my textures to the SSD. I think I may have used symlinks or hardlinks to move the textures. I can't remember the difference between the two. The older I get the better I was.

Skimming through, so forgive any inaccuracies, but a slower but higher capacity drive will still appealto consumers. I am fairly certain that he just mentioned less chips for paralell transfers as a cost saving measure in exchange for higher capacity. @@matthouse99

They also dont seek, large reads are faster because of block transfer and sequential commands.

@@matthouse99 most oem's and manufactures moved away from calling it sata III and started using SATA 6Gbps because it sounded faster when NVME's started picking up in popularity.

Has one

ctr a, ctr c, ctr v, done.

For daily usage, random 4k is king which is pretty much the same for SATA to Gen 5 SSDs. Unless you tend to work with big files there is little difference between even SATA and PCIe Gen 5.

And he never even mentions endurance. These things have the same meh endurance as a Samsung 980, the Seagate 530/540 have triple the endurance. Drive endurance per TB can vary by tenfold. System drives get flogged by swap.

The only reason I upgraded this year from my 2013 Lenovo Y510P was because NVIDIA quit supporting the dual GPU's.

I can think of a lot of reasons. Loading programs or large files. For example: 2GB Photoshop file, starting software like Davinci Resolve. If you work in design you'll be loading large files sometimes, or saving large files, or opening programs here and there, so by the computer being able to move as fast as you can think can increase your thought progresses. Or building a 3D open world game and needing to load scenes to work on them, which I've done this would greatly increase workflow and productivity.

That's just asus throwing out ideas that will lock people into their ecosystem, just like the power-cable-less GPUs that require you to buy both an asus GPU and Mobo. And given their recent (what am i saying.. year-long) track record of junk products and RMA nightmares I'd rather not have either of those

​@Knaeckebrotsaege What motherboard manufacturers do you recommend. I've had msi,asus, and now a gigabyte b550 board. I've really didn't see too many issues at all besides msi's beta bios for b350.

@@cbz21no manufacture, only products. I’d recommend checking out some reviews like hardware unboxed, that will tell you the best mobos to pick up for a given series

M.2 storage is so cheap now too, when I built my current gaming rig 1tb was $300(for gen 3), now it's $30 for a gen 4. Nobody should be gaming on spinning rust anymore.

@@Dan-Simms Nvme for gaming, ssd for scratch, and still waiting for capacity/price to get better for large scale storage as replacing a 14tb, two 12tb and two 10tb hdds with ssd or nvme would be very pricey.

All 5 of my video cards coil whine. It's normal at this point. Just put your case on the floor to get the noise away from your head and forget about it.

I have a rx 6600 xt, I recommend for amd software use the regular adrenaline with the adrenaline drivers, I accidentally downloaded the pro version to quickly realize its for the " pro" line of gpus, not gaming gpus. then under tunning go to the fan curve set all the sliders for manual adjustment, then slowly play with the curve under a gaming load. Ideally you want the last 2-3 points to ramp up smoothly, I found by adjusting the speed at which the fan ramps to max that it fixes my noisy "coil whine" fans. Its when they jump from super slow to super fast with no balance in the middle the fans spin off axis causing the whine. Also I tried afterburner for a brief second but in my personal exp It was conflicting with adrenaline and causing problems. Adrenaline just works and after a few tweaks I found its actually a pretty user friendly app. After you set your curve save it by clicking export profile at the top. after that with your fan curve is set, Id recommend keeping that a separate profile, you can build a second profile based off that fan curve profile with what ever additional o.c. or undervolt settings you wish to choose then save that profile again, as new. that way if your oc or volt tweaks are bad you have the fan curve profile to fall back on. adrenaline is pretty good at keeping that proflie you had last selected on until you switch it, "which for me I only run a fan curve profile atm" which means you 99% of the time don't have to select the profile when you shutdown, reboot etc, itll just load the last applied profile. Unless after a driver update, then you will have to import your profile but itll still be saved in profiles! Good Luck hope this helps!!

Believe it's a hangover from mechanical drives. Having to physically move the drive arm. That may have been stuck in his head.

Jay gets facts wrong almost every single video, it's on purpose to get people to comment, which increases engagement and makes youtube push the video to a wider audience. LTT did the same thing until they were called out for it, because once people know about it, it doesn't really work anymore.

since theses days you can get 2TB as a single chip, i guess it depends. if you have a 1TB and 2TB ssd both using just a single chip, the 1TB one might be faster. or no difference. but if the 2TB once uses two 1TB chips, then it can get an advantage from that, yeah. or did i mess up something here?

Speed increase upto 1/2 TB then it may decrease.

@@eiv-gamingThat is exactly what happened. The 1TB versions of the T700 are slower than the 2TB.

Not to mention on some boards like some B450 ones... adding an M.2 drive disables 2 of the SATA ports, and adding a 2nd M.2 disabled 2 more SATA ports.

I use it for my boot drive, plenty enough for the task. ASRock should really stop using that configuration, though.

So get a X570 and not the gimped boards?

M.2 form factor is quite limiting. I wouldn't mind if we have 2.5 inch SSD using the U.2 or the newer U.3.

@@AlfaPro1337 oculink

The only application I've had where M.2 made a very noticeable difference was when I was experimenting with different language models. Loading times over SATA actually got annoying when constantly switching back and forth between loads of different models, some with file sizes exceeding 40GB. On a modern M.2 drive those loaded almost instantly. But even then I prefer to keep my models stored on the old SATA drive since I don't use them very often anyway. For everything else the CPU seems to be a far more meaningful bottleneck for loading times. I certainly couldn't feel a difference after I upgraded my main system drive.

@@AlfaPro1337 U.2 and U.3 SSD exist but you need to sell three kidneys to buy one :/

@@esunisen3862 Nah, 3.92TB U.2 SSD is about $1K. That's pretty reasonable, but still farfetch.

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These improvements are useable, perhaps not for you but for some of us

I feel like this would make starfield have seamless transitions.... lol

@@dillonvillon I think my longest load screen was 1 second or so in that game.

you can get 500gb SSD for 20 bucks on sale

You're really doing yourself a disservice imo by running the os off a hdd. Even the first gen ssd I had back in 2012 made my system feel so much snappier and everything loaded way quicker too let alone the drives we have available today. You really should get a cheap drive from a reputable brand as they're so insanely cheap these days for a small drive anyway :).

@@WyattOShea I’m Joking (but I got friends who still do use hard drives for OS

Fair enough and also oof. Would suck using a system where the os is on a hdd . Probably wouldn't be that bad though I'm just used to things being quick lol.@@keyzsawake353

I still use hard drives but it is a Win XP retro gaming rig so anything new is completely wasted on the OS and potato hardware.

Sata SSDs are still perfectly viable if you have an extra one you know is good and need storage for games it'll do that job perfectly well extremely doubtful you'd notice the difference in loading time on that vs an NVME anyway

SATA (SSD) is still totally fine for pretty much anything. What a user will perceive in terms of performance: HDD----------SATA - NVME

I have corsair pro xt drives with read/write of 7k.....and my max temps for the 1gb using crystaldisk is 37c and for the 2gb 39c

I also suggested that.

Make sure to move ur pagefile to ur 990 pro too. It still has like a full 10% advantage over even the best gen 5 drives in low queue depth random reads ie what is by far the most impactful on performance especially when used as virtual memory (ur page file)

980 is such an awful drive for the system, it has no RAM- you have them very much the wrong way round

The CPU is limiting factor now in iops. Directx12 direct write should be able to offload io requests to your GPU to improve performance

@@timothygibney159 Not only the CPU, though. It literally stayed constant since almost a decade while CPUs have been gettin a lot faster. It's mainly the NAND controller on these SSDs.

4k Random is more important than just burst and havent seen any improvement there. So at the end it only looks good on paper and is useless in real world applications.