I am a certified professional dog trainer and behaviorist… You are completely in the right in this case. Those sorts of board and train programs that are kennel-based are very old-fashioned and very aversive. The clip you showed of your dog right at the beginning… The dog looks very stressed. Please contact me if you would like to talk about the situation and let me steer you to a good qualified trainer in your area please!
Fellow dog trainer here: never trust in boarding trainers. The role of a dog trainer is to teach the OWNER how to train their dog. Nothing should ever be hidden behind closed doors, you should know exactly what's happening with your dog at all times so both you and the dog can learn from the experience. Look for a 1-1 trainer that specialises in farm dog training, not a general pet trainer. I'm hoping things get better in the future and that the experience doesn't put you off training Joey completely.
Even more so when you have a dog breed that is known to get nervous easily when in new situations and away from the owner. Honestly, the fact that they even allowed Joey into their board and train program is absurd, and then the fact that they sound like they put her in a communal dog area on the first day is even worse. (it sounded like a dog park like setup was were Joey bit the trainer but I could be wrong). Also as a side note: there are some really good trainers who will board dogs for training. Although they wouldn't ever have that many dogs at once and would constantly keep the owner informed on what is going on and what they're working on. I've even seen programs where the owner comes in for training sessions throughout the entire boarding process. Usually that set up is for trainers who teach more complicated stuff than just basic obedience though. Since, in that case, it makes sense that the trainer would need more time to work with the dog to teach them and then can have a session with the owner to show how to ask the dog for that command and what not. Super useful for training service dogs complicated tasks that the owner has absolutely no clue how to even begin training
Any PROFESSIONAL who handles animals understands the inherent risks involved. If they lack the experience or proper procedure to handle animals, they should find another occupation.
Well said. I completely agree. I have over fifty years of experience with handling dogs, and I have never been so speechless by the man's lack of professionalism.
You personnally need to put some training on her. Teach her a solid "lie down" on her--do it in the house first, while, you are eating. Have her lie down beside you and stay even if you get up and get something and return. Aussies work BEST FOR THEIR OWNERS--NOT STRANGERS!!! DOGS are NOT "PUSH BUTTON" and herding dogs work on RELATIONSHIP!!! REPLY--I'LL GIVE YOU A WAY TO CONTACT ME!!!
The worst thing a trainer can say is “we’ve trained this dog or these dogs” every dog has their own issues their own reactions instead of treating every dog the same she needed someone to get to know her see her reactions in situations. The way I see it it’s just like calves. You never know how a momma is gonna react so you treat lightly until you get an understanding with that cow. I will never touch another persons dog without that dog getting used to me before I even think of messing with it. She’s an amazing dog from what I see and she’s still a puppy my heart goes out to you all and I hope you find a reliable trainer.
Exactly. People need to stop treating dogs as though they are one when in reality every dog is different, and yes every breed has its characteristics that make it a breed, but the individual dog has a personality and characteristics that make it an individual.
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First thing I was told when getting our livestock guardian dog, is get a trainer to come to the farm, do not send them somewhere. Training is mostly about training YOU. This place sounds ill-equipped.
Once that leash is handed over to a trainer, they are responsible for the safety of the dog as well as the safety and wellbeing of other animals and people on those premises.
I have a problem with the fact that the dog wasn't on a leash at the time 😑 that was a big No-No and that was on the error of the trainer. Why is a brand new dog that you don't know off its leash?
The fact that there was so much chaos there with all them dogs over excited and barking away like that tells me that this facility has no idea what they are doing. To seriously train dogs you need a quiet environment so that the dog and trainer are concentrating on each other. No way that was going to happen there with all that chaos. Place needs to be shut down
Joey was definitely out of her element at the training facility. Dogs are not themselves when they're scared and uncomfortable. I work as a vet technician and I fully understand that the dogs that show aggression at a vet clinic are only acting out of fear. These same dogs can also be the most loving and gentle pets at home. Unfortunately living in a secluded bubble such as your farm most likely limited her socialization with strangers or other dogs, which may have contributed to her fearful actions at the trainer. None of this is your fault, you had no idea Joey would react this way. But now you know of Joey's fearfulness in stressful settings and can adjust your training plan to match her comfort level!
Yes but don't for get that the trainer supposedly never been bit? That's not true because every world wide trainer's will say that you will get bit by at least 4 dogs if Lucky take Victory the dog trainer she is one of the best but she gets bit a lot I think they was trying to lie to him as well and keeping dogs in small Cage's with a lot of energy makes them hard to train as well
Joey seems like a really sweet dog, it’s awful that some training facilities are like this :(. Definitely seems like the trainer went out of Joey’s comfort zone, considering the fact she’s a sweet dog, dogs don’t randomly do out of character things, definitely seems like the trainer didn’t acknowledge Joey’s comfort level.
I don’t believe the “trainer” for one second when he said “he’s never been bit”. I hope the didn’t provoke her by hurting her or being forceful with her. My dog needs to get muzzled at the vet but she’ll never bite the people she’s close with. What a terrible thing to say to “watch your kids”.
The only critique I have for you is in choosing that "training facility" in the first place. The loud barking dogs and the fact that those kennels were directly next to each with no partition between them is a dog fight through the fence waiting to happen. I find it very unlikely that this is the first time their "trainer" got bitten. I'm no animal behaviorist, I just work as a veterinary technician. But for me it doesn't matter how good a dog is at first glance. I'm fully aware of the stressfull, fearful and potentially painful situation each patient is put into and be ready to react accordingly. All too often I have had a happy, friendly energetic young dog suddenly turn to snap without warning in response to an action we have to perform that they don't appreciate or are fearful of. I never blame the patient though and I definitely don't then go to the client and go on about all the other difficult patients I've handled without issue. I still get bit sometimes too despite all this but that's on me for not reading a patient correctly or not having the proper hold on them. I wish you the best in finding a proper trainer for her. She is definitely not a bad dog or an untrainable one.
They should have let her stay in the kennel for overnight. That is too many other dogs for an Aussie. Joey is a great dog. My Aussie protected my kids and animals.She is protecting you.
@@whitehouseonthehill There are places you can have a trainer come to the property to train your dog. It leaves them far more comfortable and more understanding on how to implement their training in their living environment.
Kennel based programs are never the best, and the people there are usually really strict or even harsh or abusive towards the dogs. Not to mention how they never have good results. Joey was scared in a new and very loud environment, she acted upon fear and not aggression. The trainers were definitely in the wrong, and its blatantly obvious that they aren't actually successful in their training abilities.
Definitely not your fault and not Joey’s fault. They should have been prepared for a potential situation like that for a dog that isn’t socialized around other dogs and the fact that their place is full of barking, aggressive dogs. Sorry that happened to you guys! That really sucks.
@@whitehouseonthehill Joey did nothing wrong. The trainer was in the wrong, from the very beginning. I worked for a Humane Society for 20yrs, training dogs to help them get adopted. Joey is a good dog, but was put in a scary situation, and a stranger to her went to grab her to put her on lead. They have to establish a repour with her first. You don't just yank a dog out of a pen (I don't care if it's outside that noisy kennel), that you don't know it's demeanor. She was put in a highly stressed environment, and the trainer, obliviously didn't have a clue on handling techniques. He's a liar, saying he's never been bitten. I know so many trainers that say this, and it's just a blatant lie. They are trying to deflect blame. The dog reacts to the energy in their environment. If you're hyper, she's hyper, if you're relaxed, she's relaxed. If you're scared, she's scared. They adopt the energy in the environment. They should've done a meet up with you and Joey in a more calm setting first, and established a repour with her. THEN, proceed to try and take her into the kennel. BTW, that kennel is basically a hoarding situation in a metal barn. It's chaotic, stressful, and NOT a good learning atmosphere. I teach obedience classes, but with the owners in control of their dogs. I train them under distraction, because when you need your dog to listen the most, is usually a dangerous situation, like running into the street with cars coming. You HAVE to be able to recall your dog. Teaching in a class setting, teaches the dog to listen while being moderately distracted. That's what makes them listen better. You were NOT in the wrong, and Joey was NOT in the wrong. It is ALWAYS the handler's fault if a dog bites. That's because they didn't read the dog's cues. They will give cues as to what they are feeling. They'll give you body language warnings, because they don't want to bite, but if handled wrong, and the cues not noticed-they can bite. Any handler and trainer should know this and ACCEPT this as rule. Don't blame yourself or Joey for that idiot trainer's bite wounds. He earned them. Trust me. Kiss Joey for me, and tell her she's a good girl!
You don’t need to be worried for your kids.... that guy is an idiot “trainer”. You’re on point with everything you said. He’s in the wrong and you should call o it his terrible business.
A. That looks like a pound and sounds like one. B. When you training dogs, especially one that's new to you being bite is a huge possibility. That was absolutely stupid of them. Are they licensed? And what happened before she bit him? Dogs don't just suddenly bite with no reason. I'm so sorry your family is having to go through this 🌹
The key words here, in Joey's defense, is "It was a provoke bite." She was extremely stressed, fearful and that triggered a fight or flight response. If they claim they didn't see the bite coming, then they are the ones who need training.
They are so called "professionals" that didn't even know the basic signs of stress in a dog let alone how to handle said stressed dog. Every trainer knows the basics of dog behavior for this reason. They are clearly under qualified.
I agree! The trainer should of seen that bite coming! My friends dog is very under socialized around New people and is very fearful of other big dogs and I am the one who has been walking him for over 5 months now and when asked if someone can pet him I always say no bcuz he has shown signs that he is okay one second and for no reason has lunged at people bcuz I believe he is afraid and I'm trying to talk my friend into finding him a new home while he us still young. If I dont walk him, feed him or give him water his owner does not do it. I left for a wkend and he was not walked not once! I was mind blown having 2 teens in the house and still no walks come on. Sorry venting Joey is an amazing dog and needs time to adjust when somewhere knew!
This! All that training he said he had done. "Hes seen all the police dogs, all of them and, never experianced this" that struck me as off.. I'm assuming hes worked with "already trained" police dogs and just did extra add on training.. The training Joey needs hes probably never done before. Or thats how it felt to me. I pray they find the trainer that fits their needs and Joey's ofcourse. She seems likes she has a great base line already just in the way she acts.
It sounds like she was very stressed and they as trainers should know that. Aussies are very emotional dogs and they should have been prepared. I worked in a boarding, training place and we were all ready for the unexpected. I would recommend taking her through a class that is a group class so she can be socialized while you are there. The benefit to that is that you all learn together. Don’t be hard on yourself or her, we all see the type of dog she is and the type of owner you are.
My god yes, i couldn't stand to listen to that no more than 3 mins. Report them, seems like a chop shop for dogs and there getting away with it. Speak up for those who cant speak for themselves.
Never send your dog away for basic obedience training. Specialized training, sure. Basic obedience and similar training should always be done by the owners with the assistance of a professional trainer. I always suggest doing group obedience classes because it helps socialize the dog with unfamiliar places, people, and other dogs, with the familiarity of the owner as the handler and learning to work and focus through distractions. Good luck! Owner guided training is critical... it strengthens the family bond, teaching the owners the nuanced parts of your dog's personality while allowing the dog to learn how to cope with unfamiliar situations 🐕 Coming from a family who has trained dogs for 3 [human] generations!
From what he just said when you picked up Joey, I get the impression they probably hold or board the police dogs, not train them. And just listening to all the dogs barking in that facility and just what little we were able to see of the dogs in kennels, I was feeling stressed with all the noise.
Wow! What a horrible situation. It's pretty evident, from the sounds of the facility, that is a chaotic situation. I hope you find someone that can give you & Joey the training you're looking for.
I worked at a boarding facility, not training, and you get dogs who can be completely different with their owners but most of the time it was just stress of being in a different environment. I'm sorry to hear about the pup! Hopefully she can get her confidence back and will be a good farm dog for you and your family!
@@whitehouseonthehill she might just think that you'll leave her again, but what I've seen after awhile they get better, but some don't like my dog. I would also do in person training so you learn and she gets trained ant the same time and she how she reacts around you.
@@whitehouseonthehill So sad. Clearly she was traumatized. Please don't give up on her. The fear and confusion she must have felt. That place scared me. What kind of training facility has a warehouse full of out of control barking dogs? Sounds like they were ALL terrified and Joey sensed it.
Joey (and your family) will likely need a visit with a Certified Behaviorist as opposed to trainer because of the experience she had and the bite - a trained professional will get to the base behavioral cause(es) of what happened and why.
@@whitehouseonthehill I've read every comment on this page. I rented a place that had a boarding facility on it that the owner's also operated. Is there anywhere in your contract that you gave the facility permission to use a shock collar on your dog? Just saying. If she were my dog, I'd check her thoroughly. I truly believe someone is NOT BEING TRUTHFUL regarding this incident. Glad Joey's back home with you and she can gain back the trust she once had. Best wishes to you and your human and animal family. ❤
While watching this video, my dogs kept coming over to me, not their normal, curious, head tilting attention to sounds but with their ears folded, hunkered down shoulders, tails tucked, and needing comforting. They were scared just hearing that facility on the computer. I'm glad you got your money back, even happier that Joey seems to be unharmed.
You guys did nothing wrong, I’ve had 6 dogs. Enough to know Joey only bit the person because she was stressed and didn’t know what was happening. Joey is a beautiful and sweet dog, you guys are blessed 😊. I hope you can find the right dog training experts to help you out. I’ll be praying for you guys 🙏
Maybe you need to get her trained in a “family “ dog obedience school where they train you and the dog. I don’t believe in their methods of training. I have 30 years of experience in training for both breed and obedience.
When I was training my current service dog I used a training school to basically assist with social skills and preparing him to pass his canine good citizenship test. There were people there with 3-year old children learning how to handle the family pet and others that were training their dogs for the show ring and also sheep herding competition and for working on the family farms
I’m sorry for how that “trainer” turned out. Find someone to come to your farm to train you and her in the situations she’s gonna face daily. Joey is obviously a good and loyal dog. Good luck!
Wow a month? That seems strange. My dog went to training for 4 hours a day for 7 days, then me with the dog 2 hours a day for 7 more days. A whole month seems a bit strange and they SOUND overwhelmed with all that noise. You are right, that place sounds TERRIFYING.
My pitbull went to training classes and he's only bitten his treats, he wasn't even neutered at the time. Go to trainers who you teach YOU AND the dog at the same exact time
I feel that you guys should probably have an experienced trainer come to the farm. Someone that is super knowledgable with herding breed/farm dogs . Joey will be in her element thus making it more comfortable for her and the person training her. Much love ❤
Also, maybe the last 15 or so of training she/he can bring mom, dad, and your beautiful children in to work as a family with some basic behavior training. Much love ❤
I don't agree. Your dog doesn't have so many problems that you need private training. Take her to some group lessons and learn how to make corrections and encourage good behavior with praise and play. With just a basic group class you can learn the techniques to take her to sheep herding competitions if that's what you want. Besides, in group lessons they learn from the other dogs. If all the people say sit and the other dogs sit, maybe I should sit too! Group lessons will also teach her how to act around other dogs, as you will have to take her to the vet or maybe friends with dogs. There no reason to spend the money for private lessons. She already has guardian dog instincts. You just need to hone them and group lessons will teach you those skills. Sending lots of love 💖 from sunny 🌞 Arizona 🌵😷
Personally I'd go with a smaller training facility. That scale just sounds overwhelming for any dog. All of those dogs sound stressed and it's hard for a dog to decompress with that much anxiety that each one is subject to. It sounds crowded, dogs at animal shelters often the sweetest in nature have the ability to shut down. A facility with all of that is too much for any type of dog.
Hunting dogs and police dogs tend to be raised and trained together and well socialized usually as well. That facility might be fine for those types of dogs, but not a farm dog. Also it kinda sounds like they put Joey in the same category as those dogs when she just isn't. I'm not okay with the barking, but that was a hound in the video which was the only other dog I saw and hounds barking isn't unusual behavior. I'd need to actually go there to pass further judgement.
It seems like this training facility and the trainer was not super experienced on dog body language! Dogs don’t just bite unexpectedly, meaning they were not fully educated on how to properly read behavior. The environment seems to be very stressful for a dog. I would definitely recommend finding a new trainer who knows dog behavior🥰
I have to disagree somewhat on this. Under normal circumstances. But ive come across at least 3 dogs in my past experience with grooming and working along side a kennel. One Retriever in a split second went from fine and dandy to nearly ripping a persons hand through cage. Not a sign of aggression in the prior visits to the kennel in fact a super friendly dog. One particular dog with major issues. Was a come hither dog. Would wag the tail and look all sweet till the hand was in chomping range. We knew all about the Nut bag. Had a real bad attitude and the family never dealt with it just kept making it worse. Was abused and abusive. Cocker. One Shepherd earlier in my Grooming days. Not a bad dog at all Just bent down one day and found his teeth across my nose. Never did a thing again after that either.
So far from reading the comment of others and watching, the best thing about this facility was that they gave you your check back. They would be even less accredited if they hadn't done that.
Not trying to make you feel worse but the mistake you made was leaving her there. There are all kinds of trainers. Doesn’t mean they are any good. Keep her home where she is safe. If you absolutely must have her “trained “ have someone come to your farm and work with you and her under your supervision! That’s for Joey’s protection!
If their "trainer" has never been bit, somethings wrong.. I'm a dog groomer and when I was 16 I starting as a dog bather. Bathing dogs. I got bit twice within my first year. Dogs are unpredictable and you have to always be ready. Something seemed very sketchy about that place especially with the owner/trainers trying to put blame on you guys. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
What an incredibly honest and vulnerable conversation to share with your viewers. That was an intimidating situation for any person or animal to be in. There is no way anyone that works with animals day in and out doesn’t have to deal with aggression and fear. I trained horses for 20+ years and they aren’t saints.
I typed a lot but it disappeared. I’m sending a book. It’s really great for beginning basic obedience. I raise toy schnauzers. I deal with lots of people that need Training. I’ve watched you guys since day one! I now have many different breeds of chickens some ducks and rabbits. 🤦♀️ My name is Cricket Stastny. Joey is a good dog!!! They are idiots… anybody that knows anything about dog behaviors, body posturing , facial movement… dog language, they would know she was upset. I’m so sorry you had to go through that. And I’m sorry Joey had to go through that. Dogs are my life. That was a crazy place! Be looking for the book! Thanks for your videos! I love them all! Only thing is I watch sometimes till the wee hours in the morning. I love your family. Hi to everybody!!!
As a person who is taking a dog through obedience this sickens me. Trainers should know dogs in a new environments can act out. None of those dogs have been trained to be calm in a room with other dogs. This trainer is clearly not knowledgeable about the nature of dogs. Joey seems like a super friendly dog and in my opinion she bit the trainer because she felt threatened. Watch out for that "training facility."
Did you see the bite marks? Your dog was left there, she didn't know what was what. Those dogs there are very stressed sounding. She heard all those dogs complaining. She was scared. Blaming you makes it easier to explain their incompetence.
If you were stressed being there, why would you leave your dog there? You are responsible for her, you put her in a position where she had no option but to bite.
They were hacks! I stopped my dog from jumping on me from watching videos. But if they were real trainers they would've known better. You are a very kind person because I would have checked him well!
You guys aren't wrong in anyway..they should have been prepared and she was definitely just scared for her life ..I think she's a great dog as she protects you and your animals and family that's what's important
If she’s not around other dogs or people, i think that walking her around where there’s other dogs and people will help socialize her and get her used to the rest of the world outside the farm.
There was something more to this story that they didn't tell. I don't believe she is the one that bit them. And I believe they were lying. She's a great dog!
I've worked with nervous rescue dogs that act out aggressively a few times over my life and can 100% confirm that those "trainers" know FA about dealing with a nervous dog with so little training, you have to approach calm and slow, be non threatening. It's about gaining that animal's trust. It actually makes me angry because that poor girl could react again when stressed because she learnt it worked, it got her out of the stress she was feeling. I really hope you can find a good trainer that will work with you, not for you as others have said.
Jake my name is Jennifer and my dog is a herding and hunting dog and when I first got him he was very very scared for a very long time (but not with me)and for several years if someone came to the house as a threat especially men well obviously women.(he has never bit me and he is my baby and my everything) Where I go he goes. I took him to my in my therapist and I took him to his therapist with me so we could work out those things but he hasn’t bit anybody in probably three years and I think that’s a personal Triumph, because he used to bite everyone except for me and my one other roommate. He also loved and protected me and my daughter and my roommate. Loyal is an understatement. Now he is super confident with himself and with his two mommies and family and kids he was never a danger to children he’s always had a really tight relationship with children it was adults (non family ) or kids that were around 17 years old. He is so so much better now and I can’t even compare him to the way he was to the way he is now and the living in fear about losing my dog who is my companion who is my therapist in a lot of ways and especially my therapy animal would definitely kill me I just couldn’t lose him bc he bit someone. Never give up and be ready to really hit the ground running to do anything necessary to keep your dog and train your dog. It’s a ton of work but sooooo worth it. Best of luck to y’all. I have been a sub to this channel from the beginning and I know y’all are soooooo good to Joey. Keep your chin up. With love Jen
It’s crazy that the trainers don’t know how to read body language. While Joey is great around you guys, she does look nervous/a bit fearful around new people that she doesn’t know, which is understandable especially for an Aussie. It’s in their nature to be hesitant and protective of themselves and their family. The fact that they had her in that crazy of an environment and couldn’t see she was stressed baffles me. I’m so glad you picked her up and are taking her back home. Hopefully you can find someone better to help desensitize her and train her!
@@whitehouseonthehill I’m baffled too (it’s a great word). As a service dog handler, body language is key because it tells us if the dog is comfortable, or needs more training in a specific situation to become comfortable. It’s no different with training a pet dog.
We have an adopted dog. Saved from the pound. When he was put in an uncomfortable situation, he bit 3 people. The vet recommended us to put him down. We didn’t. Once he was back home, he’s been the best dog ever!!!!!!! Dogs only have one way to defend themselves. I find often that it’s the person not the dog.
This person didn't know joey you NEVER approach a dog and put it on a leash when it's in a new environment and most likely very stressed. Also you expect the unexpected especially if you put a dog in a stressful place like that. It's not your fault nor is it Joey's you know she is a good dog and you have kids and she never did that to them so obviously it was something they did and I wouldn't be surprised if that guy is lying to you.
Sorry about the situation. From just watching Joey so far she seemed to be great around your family and other people. That "training" facility was loud. I don't think I have heard that much noise around a dog shelter. Something was frightening her and she was in a bad place. I would go with an individual dog trainer and get recommendations from other trusted sources. Wow a double bad day.
Too much, too soon for the poor dog. Poor you. Trainer missed out on something... You can tell how stressed Joey is by how much hair she lost when she shook out in the back seat.
I'm sorry for what yall and your dog has gone through. Just sitting here watching this my own Coonhound looked at me scared hearing all of the barking from that place. We have our small homestead in Alaska with our 2 dogs. Your dog is a good girl
Poor Joey, you can see how anxious she was after it all. Trying to get up very close to you and reassure herself. This place sounded more like an overcrowded shelter than a training facility! How any of those dogs could accomplish much there I have no idea, they must have nerves of steel… it might be a blessing in disguise that it happened as early on as it did, obviously her biting anyone is AWFUL but who knows what weeks in that place might have done to her temperament long term. I hope they don’t try to report her for any reason… Please give Joey some love from us, we know she is a great dog! ❤️
i'm so sorry. I have three dogs and I can really say that she didn't do it to be aggressive. It's like going to a prison and people always getting fights and a police officer comes and grabs you. You would be scared and think it is a prisoner trying to fight you. There is probably dog play and the neck is one of main areas that dogs protect (it is a very important part of there body and that's how most predators kill their prey). If a dog in a new environment comes in and grabs it by the neck it is going to want to defend itself. Hope you find another trainer and get joey a good trainer. ❤️❤️❤️
#1...If I was wanting a trainer for my dog I would have the trainer come to my home and train WITH me. Dogs are not like horses or any other livestock and (if bred true to their breed standards) their breed also plays a huge factor. That "training facility" appeared to be a total horror story for any dog of any breed...Please consider having an in house/on farm trainer if you are still pursuing that route of action. You will thank yourselves. Also make sure to research the trainer...ask for client testimonials, etc. So sorry this happened...for all of you, but most of all Joey...
Poor Joey! That was NOT her fault! That kennel was scary! Poor girl thought she was sent to Fight Club! That narrow walkway in the garage was like a gauntlet. She did NOT want to go back in there!!! Hope you find a responsible trainer who can get your fur baby trained.
I watched the first few minutes but couldn’t continue. I love animals so much that I could see in your face that I couldn’t watch what you went through. So sorry this happened.
Don't send your dog away to be trained by someone else. Get a proffessional trainer to come to you to work with you and help you to train your dog. Just because he says he "trains" police dogs does not mean he us the right person to understand your dogs inherent breed behavioural traits. Not your fault, there are charlatans that prey on situations like yours.
Maybe have a trainer come train Joey at the farm, some trainers will do that, just a thought. That way she won't feel she is being abandoned or be around other out of control dogs. Joey was just so thankful to be back home, he was overjoyed! 💝
I feel so sorry for Joey and for you guys to have that experience. I have been a dog trainer, worked in an animal shelter, and vet clinic for many years and that is not how animals should be treated. She was very overwhelmed and scared of that environment, they should have been going very slow with her. I would even think they would do an evaluation on her before even bringing her onto the program to ensure it was the right fit for her. Joey seems like a very sweet and smart dog. I would recommend finding a trainer who does positive reinforcement any good trainer is going to be able to read the dogs body language. Good Luck! She will do great once you guys find the right trainer❤.
The man continues to flaunt about training police dogs-- he's either doing so while they're puppies or he's getting them after they've ALREADY been trained and just need refreshment training. Groomers, dog boarders, dog daycares, dog vets-- ALL know how dogs if not ALL animals are in unfamiliar loud situations. I'm so sorry, these people seem very unprofessional. I'm sorry that happened to his hand but he definitely should have known that was on his part on how he approached a new dog. That's dog 101. For example: you could have blamed dolly for that nose wound. You could have said "in all my life of being with cows i have never been injured like this until Dolly" and that would be 100% true. Except that you know it was wrong placement, bad timing, not her fault.
What's even worse is that claiming to have trained police dogs isn't even that impressive. I have had far too many police dogs bark and freak out because my service dog just walks by their line of sight. At most my dog looks at them for a second to check where it came from before continuing to not give a f about the poorly trained police dog. Not to mention how many police dogs aren't even all that confident in all situations because too many trainers don't care if the dog is uncomfortable at times so long as they still follow the few commands they know.
Training police dogs has nothing to do with the situation. I took it as him bragging about " look what I can do". I would never drop my dog off for someone else to train without me there. Unfortunately he learned the reason why very quickly. It's probably best for the dog not to be there.
She didn’t like that place and I wouldn’t either. Actually this was kind of a blessing because if she behaved she would have to spend a lot longer at that awful place. I can’t believe they are still in business. I’ve trained dogs for over 20 years and that was so deplorable!
A well trained dog is one who is relaxed and ease and ready to do your bidding. Not one single dog in that facility was peaceful. I know how hard this situation is as we’ve been through dog bite situations. Very different situation though. I’m so sorry you are going through this.
She is so loved and she just loves all of you! She was in an environment that she didn't feel safe and she was scared so it wasn't your fault or her fault! 😊
I honestly feel like this is a two way street. Yes, the facility should have approached her with caution since they don’t know her. Joey was clearly stressed out. The facility didn’t seem that great. However, there is some slight blame on you guys too. As your wife has said at the very end, you guys aren’t equipped to train and don’t know what you are doing. That means you should have researched how to train before you got Joey. At least on how to do the basics. There’s so many good training videos out there. If you felt like you still couldn’t do it, then you should have hired a trainer sooner. Not to mention socialize her more when she was a puppy to desensitize her. Next issue is the place you guys chose. Did you not tour the facility beforehand to make sure it was a good environment and safe? I wouldn’t send my dog there. A one on one trainer is cheaper than sending your dog to boarding school. I really hope you hire a personal trainer for Joey now. Again, as other comments have said, the facility does have some blame. Yet I don’t think all the blame should be solely put onto them. There were a lot of factors leading up to this. Hopefully you guys learned and will take her training more seriously.
There is no reason for Joey to need to leave her home except to visit the vet, she should be trained at her home where she needs to learn the behaviors you want. I recommend letting the vet know that she has bitten so they can be prepared, don't take offence to them using a muzzle when giving a shot, it's just a precaution, you can desensitize hey to a muzzle at home to make it easier but hopefully vet visits aren't common anyway.
Don't blame the owners. What they should have done is a little research into one-on-one trainers who train THEM on how to train their dogs for their needs, but the training facility was just looking at fleecing money from gullible owners. I've trained Rottweilers since 1986. I have NEVER recommended that an owner send their dogs off to someone else to train. They need to train them, themselves but hire a trainer who will show them what to do, to train their dogs.
They should have also unformed the trainer body history of aggressive behavior (could be why they decided to spend the money for professional training). And they shouldn't disrespect the trainer for offering advice regarding the safrty of their children. The dog has issues (fact), even if it is a wonderful dog. If that were their child's face, how would they feel.
@@Amy-gh8lw You should realize that the dog had no issues with the family, as it is demonstrated in the video, as well as by the parents of the children. So, stop with the blaming the dog. It was the circumstances that the dog was placed in that caused the aggression bite, not the family environment. IF the training had been done on the property and done properly, instead of a strange environment that the dog was unfamiliar with and with a complete stranger, there would have been no biting. The proper training would have been to train Jake and Becky, who would in turn train Joey, as a team, on the farm property. THEN Jake and Becky would know how to train any future dogs, know what needs to be done. You obviously are not someone who is familiar enough with how to properly train a dog. Listen to those of us who have done it for years (since 1986 for me, with MULTIPLE Rottweilers, some that went through the same training as police K-9s do, some in search and rescue, some in personal protection... depending on the dog's personality traits), as well as the other professionals who commented on this video. WE KNOW WHAT TO DO! Jake and Becky didn't know, this is unfamiliar territory with them, and they thought they were doing the right thing for Joey.
@@Amy-gh8lw bruh this dogs been with them for over a year or two and she's been perfectly fine with the kids, including the newborn. You're talking out of your arse
Joey probably thought she was being abandoned by "her people" forever. Also the chaos and noise at that kennel sent her over the edge. She obviously loves you and your family.
This is 💯 what I was thinking. It was hard to imagine that poor Joey was stuck in a cage with no comforts of home, without her people. My heart broke for her.
I have heard of multiple week dog training places like this and I do not understand them. The thought of being away from my dog for that long is so crazy to me. I miss my dog when I go away for a night! I have never been desperate for help tho
I couldn’t leave my Rottweilers in place like that. They are family dogs just as Joey is. Take the time and train her yourselves or get someone to come out to the farm and help you train her. She’s your furkid love her for herself. 🥰
Poor baby Joey! She's a good girl! Those trainers are definitely in the wrong. You trusted them with her and obviously they did something scary enough to her that she felt she had to defend herself. Maybe research some other trainers around you, find someone who uses more positive methods. ❤❤❤❤
She probably reacted out of anxiety and fear. Find another training facility with a good reputation. Don’t give up. She’s a wonderful girl, and you will get to a good place with her! ❤️
Any 'training' facility' that sounds like that is not a good place, I would 100% recommend one on one training, this way you learn while joey learns, you will also be the one handling her while being directed, any dog training is also 99% owners being trained too not just the dog, you'd both learn and progress together, my 10 month old sprollie loves watching your channel 🤗
I recommend Upstate Canine Academy for videos on what proper aggressive dog training looks like. I saw lots of comments from trainers offering advice already too. Tom at Upstate Canine doesn’t specialize in herding training but he has a lot of experience in obedience with problem dogs. It’s always an inexperienced owner who needs some guidance and help. No big deal. Recognizing you need help is a good thing. Hoping you guys find someone local or can tap into other resources. I always wanted an Aussie, but ended up getting a German Shepherd then a Cardigan Corgi then a Pembroke Corgi and the pattern repeats. I have a love for herding dogs most of all the breeds. And I didn’t mean to imply that Joey is a problem dog. I meant to agree with other comments about that place not being a training facility. Good luck to you. 👍
And I'm sorry, but most trainers that I know that have trained "for YEARS" have all kinda of bite scars that they can tell you stories about and the mistakes he/she, as a trainer, made when they got them.
I won't be the only dog trainer to comment on this. Please get a private trainer and don't send the dog off. It's so much better for you, and the dog. Not only will you and the family bond even more with Joey, you and the family will learn how to train her. I wish I was closer. I can't teach bearding but have been training dogs for 29 yrs and have worked with many other trainers in order to learn a multitude of methods in which to train the owners and dogs. You probably won't take me up in this, but I'd be happy to teach you how to, at least correct the problems you mentioned on the video, via zoom. Feel free to message me if you'd like a bit of help. Even if it's just to help you out until you find a trainer.
When having stitches removed one of our dogs "snapped" at the vet. No bite. Vet labeled the dog as vicious. We had the dog put down because with that label if the dog ever did bite someone we were worried that we could lose everything we owned.
Wow, that place sounds super stressful. Just listen to all the dogs barking in frustration! And shepherd dogs like Joey are super sensitive and easily stressed, no wonder she wanted to defend herself! Find a trainer who works with positive reinforcement and at your place, WITH YOU. Its YOU and your family that need to train WITH her.
All the years I’ve worked in the dog and animal world, all I’ve ever heard about the go away training facilities is horror stories. This is the main reason I will only do training lessons with a trainer who does one on one with me and my dogs. I’m sorry you have had to deal with this. The sounds of this clip would make me put my dog back in the car and drive away and never leave them there. The little bit of the clip I could see from what u posted that isn’t a nice facility.
This guy has his head SO far up his whatever that he would blame you for this. I spent ten years dealing with actual reactive pit bulls- especially dog aggressive dogs. She was terrified. This wasn’t an aggressive bite. This was defensive. Those are VERY different things. A defensive reaction is nowhere even in the same galaxy as a human-aggressive dog. Please get a one on one trainer. Dog training is really human training. She knows only you, your farm, and your animals. She needs to be trained in her environment. Nothing but love and care, I’m so glad you went right back and got her (and your money!) back. A real trainer would not have chaos like this facility. I’ve seen dog pounds quieter and less chaotic.
Definitely wasn't your fault. The trainer set your dog up for failure. Too many mistakes to list, but as a trainer, if a dog bites you, then it's your fault.
I honestly feel that the incident they say happened with Joey was meant to be and perhaps God's way of protecting her from a month of hell away from her humans. She's still young and full herding instincts will become sharp with some basic obedience training. Please don't send her away for any length of time away from her pack she adores and protects. Much love ❤
I will start with, I am not a dog lover, but after listening to this whole story, i do believe that wasn't her natural personality behaviour but her real animal instict kicked in because she was scared and felt threatened. That happens in humans too, put us is a situation that scares us and our drive to survive kicks in. The training and boarding place sounds awful in terms of making it something that doesn't stress the animals. Joey just was scared and not handled the way she needs trained.
Honestly Joey has great qualities. You definitely want a dog that will defend your family. Sucks you found out this way, but I call B.S on the trainer. He most certainly provoked your dog.
The kennels they keep the dogs in are not good at all. No pillows or covers for comfort. Imagine being put in a concrete floor cage for a month without your owners and surrounded by loud and aggressive dogs. This doesn’t seem right to me and I’m shocked that this is even allowed.
I have seen many “trainers” that think aggressive, abusive training is the way to train a dog. Animals not used to that will react immediately to defend itself.
She's the smartest dog ever to get herself out of there before being traumatized forever. She could go through hourly lessons that would be a fraction of the cost, that go once a week and they graduate the trained dogs with owner after about seven weeks or so. To stop her from jumping or doing something you don't like, speak to her with a Momma-dogs voice, for example: "Leave it." "Down" "Off" Say her name when you want her to do some fun movement, such as, "Joey come." Herders are so keen with hand signals also.
If you want me to, I can train Joey (and maybe Eli) by ZOOM lessons. Maybe Eli can work with Joey during the week, and I can give him pointers during each lesson. I've had Shelties for almost 30-years.
how on EARTH has he gone so long without ever being bitten?! I think every trainer I know worth their salt has experienced at LEAST a close call if not some bad bites... 🙄 I've been raising/training service dogs for a while, and even with the best or worst tempered pup a bite NEVER comes out of nowhere. I just went to a series of lectures by a foremost veterinary behaviorist. They train service dogs and deal with every bite case in the southeast US. After only a week of body language and behavioral training, I was amazed to learn how few trainers know what they're doing. Most people in the States think of Ca*sar Mil*n when they hear dog training, which is a travesty. He has been bitten multiple times for sheer stupidity - he has failed to read the dog's body language and reaped the consequences. The most thing in a situation like this is: BITE CASE DOGS ARE NOT A LOST CAUSE! The best thing you can do in a situation like this is have her assessed by a veterinary behaviorist and find a R+ (positive reinforcement) trainer. There's always a chance of a repeat incident if Joey is ever put into a stressful, frightening situation again, so progressive under-threshold exposure and appropriate socialization is key in preventing future issues! I really really hope yall find someone who can help. If possible, see if there are any Canine Companions for Independence trainers in Kansas City. They do some of most reliable training for service dogs in the States. The trainers are often willing to help out in their area. 💜
I'm not a trainer but it train my dogs to act the way I want them to, I would never ever would have dropped my dog off at a training place that was so chaotic as that place! But Joey is a good dog and good for your family, she was just so scared at that place. I think she heard another dog say hey if you bite you get to go home early lol 😆 but none of it was your fault she's a good dog. It is hard to believe he's never been bit if he trains aggressive dogs. Keep doing what your doing love yall 💕
It is sad how the facility blamed Joey instead of admitting that the accident was their fault. Joey was literally there to receive training. Well it is probably a blessing in disguise! Just hearing how much barkings in that place that would be traumatizing for dogs. Luckily Joey is out of there! You guys raised Joey well, she needs more training in some aspects and how to be farm a dog but definitely not an agressive dog!
I think the facility actually know it is their fault seeing as they gave back the check and didn't try to keep any of the down payment. I think the owner is more trying to keep Jake from suing him or getting the place investigated by making him think it is Joey's fault.
I have a few tips. When it comes to jumping two options. 1st is when Joey jumps on you grab his paws and do a dance don't let go until he starts whining. Let him know this is bad by sternly telling him no the entire time. When he starts whining and trying to pull away that's when you let go. 2nd option is to use your knee when he starts to jump move your knee up and interuped the jump still say no sternly have him focus on something else afterwords such as the sitting and looking command. I grew up with dogs my entire life never went to a trainer. I am not an expert. My experience with dogs is they want to please you as much as play make training fun. If your interested in more tips let me know
To be a dog trainer and I largely disagree with sending a dog away for training because you two should be the ones doing the training not your dog and someone else. Dog training is all about learning how to communicate and it doesn't do any good to send someone away to learn how to communicate with someone else while you're not the one learning at the same time. Dog training is about both of you learning how to communicate not just the dog. In dog training I am always training the person not the dog. So if your dog is away being trained by someone else that's really counterproductive. I don't mean to sound harsh and I'm really sorry you went through this experience but if a place is doing the dog training without you I do not consider that the best place to have your dog trained.
