They Damaged my RV!! 10's of Thousands of dollars in Damage! Ep 4.33 

They did cover all the costs...

@@MyBucketListDay that's good. We all have to stand up and be heard

It’s such a no brainer. Where did they think all the electronics and electrical was grounded to? Glad no one got hurt or worse.

That is why this video is so important... Dealership damage equipment all the time and blame it on you and then charge you for the repairs... That is why I always use the tech and never drop it off if I can. I like to watch and make sure the work was done correctly and they didn't damage anything in the process.

Alexa is the ONE thing. I 'd be happy about NOT working ! 😂😅😅

I have to agree with you, brother. Our TT is almost paid off and when it is, it's going. They are too much maintenance.

If I end up getting an RV, I may be doing much like you did. I sometimes take long (3-state) road-trips, BUT, spend the nights in hotels to/from and at the destination. So for me, something like a Pleasure-Way "Tofino" camper-van (vs. a "full amenity" Class B) would do nicely as it'd be great for the trips, but if need be -- if I wanted to keep on driving a little farther for some reason -- stop somewhere and get some sleep in a decent/proper bed (vs. being scrunched-up in a car/truck). Also, to make the expense worth it, it'd be my one-and-only vehicle so it'd be my Daily Driver as well and so it'd be used regularly. Finally, I'd use it for occasional weekend camping trips in my local area. So using hotel rooms at night -- as per usual on my road-trips -- I wouldn't really need said "full amenity" (and way more expensive!) Class B. -- BR

Terrible idea to purchase an RV.

Not for all of us..

Sounds like your work travel would benefit with a RV, maybe even a small TT

Best of luck on that. Hope all works out positive...

Be prepared to make list of issues presently effecting the performance of you RV .Warning if you're about to purchase a new RV make you SURE get a SPARE TIRE BEFORE YOU SIGN ANY EXIT DOCUMENTS .I GOT ROBBED,FORGOT TO CHECK AND GOT DEFRAUDED BY COACHMAN I GOT NO SPARE .THE WHEEL COST $550.00 OR OVER N TIRE ANOTHER $180.00. MIGUEL NEGRETE 11-5-23. MISS AMAZING SAID REVOLUTION IS ON DON'T LET THESE SALEMAN SELL YOU LOW QUALITY R.V.

Glad I could help, Battle Born is having a sale right now, use this link... battlebornbatteries.com/?afmc=5i

Thanks for watching

Thanks for sharing

good call

Thank you!

Thank you! Will do!

LOL, perhaps I should trade in for a live aboard?

As a boat delivery captain, I'm on a lot of owner's boats. All have problems with the additional quirk of being able to sink. After two boats owned, I'll never even own a kayak. OPB only.

@@MyBucketListDay I'm digging a hole on top of a mound above the water table + 33 feet 👣

Yes, I have heard that. I've heard good things on quality on thoses RV's

Doesn’t mean they’re strong, or any better than Lipport. Only time will tell. We own an Arctic Fox 1140 truck camper and I could tell you it is built like a tank. As far as their fifth wheels and travel trailers. I don’t know.

@@skoffco actually they are much better than Lippert. They are built with real I beam steel, unlike the smaller RV frames from Lippert which are three pieces of flat stock haphazardly welded to together to form a “pseudo” I beam.

Outdoors RV too, a sister company of Northwood Manufacturing, who build Arctic Fox, Nash and Fox Mountain.

Good to know guys. Thanks for info

I'm sure they did, I heard they started a new policy because of this...

Thanks 👍

Yes, there are a few that build a strong fantastic frame

Thanks for sharing! I truly hope that's all the issues you have, I do love GD, but this rig has proved to test one's patience on RVing.

Yes, they seem to be having a few to many issues shown on YT

It's now stop with broken RV's on RU-vid. Specially 5th wheels there is something wrong with 5th wheel designs that they can't get right. as an engineers that's my take. @@MyBucketListDay

Thanks, please don't jinx's my frig, LOL

You are 100% correct sir

Thanks for watching!

Thanks

me toooooo

Agree, I still have hope GD management will do the right thing.

They were bought by Winnebago

Thanks

Thats a choice only you can make, or go look at Brinkley. You cant go wrong with them.

You are so welcome!

Glad I can help, good luck...

@@MyBucketListDay Thank you

Thanks, I appreciate your support. I would love a Brinkley, but not in the position to do that right now.

Thanks for the sub

Right, they have been so incredible. Best company I've ever worked with.

Awesome, let me know if you need discounts on your battle born order

Not the dealer, it was the factory service center

Actually , no dealer will ever take accountability and try their best to blame .

You would think

Yes every state is different, I'm from Florida as well but the issues don't fall into the Lemon Law do to timing...

They are well priced for the quality and the warranty is awesome.

Not sure yet, I had a couple other issues pop up in the last couple days, Main awning caught a gust of wind and bent and the living room slide jammed again just yesterday. I need to trade this thing in.

Yes you did get lucky, common practice is to disconnect all power prior to welding

Yep. better than we are doing. Good luck...

Thanks, I need it..

LOL, I've never heard that one, I like it...

Yes, if you would like a bit of a discount, let me know

Thanks

I believe It's actually on the owners manuals on all vehicles and trailers with batteries. As you pointed out, anyone that has been trained to weld has been trained and taught never to weld without checking to ensure batteries have been disconnected. However mistakes do happen especially if there are multiple people working on the vehicle at the same time.

They said at first they did disconnect the batteries, but then when I was able to prove to them they did not, they backed up on that statement and admitted that someone had made the mistake and took responsibility for all of it.

Do you have a link to this product???

Yes, the link, or what the name of this special tool is would be great!!

@@MyBucketListDayRetired Electronics guy here. Not recommended - This special tool will not prevent damage from the current through the frame that welding creates which is what happened to you. The purpose of the tool is to keep some power to the devices so that they retain their memories - designed for use on cars when the car battery needs to be replaced, so the customer does not then have to reprogram all of the smart dash settings and radio preset stations.

did not admit at first, but I was able to prove they did from my monitoring system.

TNS! Spot on!

Glad we could help

Yes Grand Design paid for all the items that bot blow up, insurance paid for my hotel for the month I was up in Indiana with my home in the shop...

Well, it still cost me a lot.

Yes, they should be recalling all of them, but they won't unless they are forced. Secondly, The RV you bought says Grand Design on it, not Lippert RV. So this is not Lipperet issue, it is what Grand Design asked them to build for them. So this is a Grand Design issue and they should never tell the customer to go to Lippert. Lastly. Grand Design will not repair you RV under warranty but will be happy to take your money and try to fix it. My suggestion is to find a certified welder that has experience in fixing RV's in your area to do the job. It will be about a $18k - $22k repair job.

Yup, to give a lttle more context to my personal experience with them and Lippert, my 2015 Solitude that I bought brand new started having the badly peeling fake leather couch issue after a few years. We are not full-timers, we visit ours at its site by a lake two states away. About 3 years into our ownership the couches started peeling. Contacted the dealer, they said call Grand Design. Grand Design said to contact Lippert. That's when I got annoyed. Like you said, it says Grand Design on it, not Lippert. GD buys thousands of couches from them, they have the leverage of their dollars. Lippert owes me nothing. They didn't sell those couches to me, they sold them to GD. Anyway, Lippert offered me 40% off replacements which still would have been thousands of dollars. I asked them what guarantees they could give me that 3 years from now I wouldn't be facing the same problem with their shitty couches? They said no guarantees and that I should probably try to keep them out of heat and humidity. My camper sits empty and unattended 90% of its life. Am I supposed to run the A/C in an empty camper all spring summer and fall? Needless to say we did not buy any new couches. Just put covers on them until we traded it in. My experience with Grand Design and seemingly an awful lot of people on the internet seems to be that Grand Design talks a big game about quality and customer service but when they have widespread, systemic quality problems they tell you "too bad, so sad, Lippert's fault, not our problem."

That was the original intent, but they plugged everything back in to test and do there initial inspection.

That is an Idea, but as a fultimmer I know my rig so I saw right away something was wrong.

yes, but why should anyone have to go through all this?

@@MyBucketListDay I agree one should never pay the money for this rigs , they call RV home, "well built" . They should be dam ashamed of the shotty craftsmanship, cause our workforce is better skilled than what they force onto the welders to perform. Glad u brought this out too the light and exposed this scam for all to be aware .. I will be checking my rv.

Your correct, they build a great RV and high quality frame.

Yes, I did see side to side, but was told that was normal and some flex is expected. Now I know that if you can notice it, its a problem....

That's right. I always recommend it...

Nice, you sir have good carma

Thank you very much

You can do the trip in 2 days, but I found that 3 days is a lot easier. It's about 15hrs. I took I75 north and then I24 to I65

Yes, this is why all the items blew...

You would think, but the fuses are down stream. Not behind the ground

No, The lithium batteries are 28 lbs each, and they replaced 4 AGM batteries that weighs 84 lbs each. The inverters are only 21 lbs heavier than the original one installed. So it's actually 177 pounds lighter than the equipment installed by the factory. This will allow me to add 6 more batteries and still stay lighter than the original equipment. Hope this answered you question.

WOW, what state do you live in?

CA@@MyBucketListDay

Right!

The batteries and all power connection needs to be disconnected from all grounds as the welder will send a surge of power through the entire frame. They failed to do this...

The 2 lead acid batteries and stock inverter weighed 153 lbs. removed those and added 285 lbs, so the net add in weight was 132 lbs...

Our pleasure!

They are all ready built in, but they protect the normal way of charging, but not surges coming in backwards.

At this point I kinda wish it had. LOL

@MyBucketListDay I hear you there! I know the feeling too. I live in my trailer so everything I own is in it.

What part of this was Good???

Thanks my friend. Yes, most everyone know to disconnect the batteries before welding.

Thanks Jake. I hope they are encouraged to make changes to strengthen them.

All of the new Momentums are built on the Lipper Rhino frame which is a MUCH better design than the 1621HD frame. I was one of the first customers to approach GD with the frame flex issue and was the 3rd unit repaired by the GS Service Center.

As mentioned I did, they reconnected them to do their initial inspection prior to starting work.

So we're victim blaming now??? WOW!

Well I'm not familiar with their construction, but I did find one manufacture that is doing it right and demanding the highest quality possible. That would be Brinkley.

Sorry for the confusion, Insurance paid my living expenses while my RV was in the shop