"They didn't fail because they had a bad product." Stark Future CEO on ALTAS demise - Gypsy Tales 

Ultimately it will be performance that kills gas bikes. In the right hands, E bikes are going to hole shot every single race. No gears, instant torque, back brake on the handle bar, less gyroscopic force.... The sh..t these pros are going to do on an ebike in the future is going to blow our minds.

They failed because Harley Davidson promised them funding, to the tune of 100 million dollars and had them sign a No Compete contract, where they could not seek funding from anyone else and then stalled Alta until they went broke.

Ive been really excited to see electric dirt bikes after riding a stealth bomber about 7 years ago. Ripping through the trees with an electric motor feels like you are flying. Being able to hear your mates and chuck some banter around adds a new level of fun. The torque of an electric motor is incredible. Having the option for the rear brake on the left hand is a game changer. It creates a new riding style that feels way more playful and controlled, you can tip the bike over and two wheel drift into a right hand corner like riding a MTB. I really hope these bikes make it to Aus.

Mad props to getting this guy on!! Amazing content!!

I find it stupid ironic that the prior ceo of HD moved over to rivn and ford did the exact same thing to him as he did to Alta.

Bro we gotta keep our 2 strokes and 4 strokes tho I love them man

If I have to choose between off-road or no off-road then I choose electric but for me the engine noise 2stroke or 4stroke is part of the sport. EV won't save the planet for all the reasons stated in another reply but if it keeps tracks open due to noise issues then thst is a good enough reason.

Another great listen Jase. 🤘🤘🤘

This will never outsell the big manufacturers gas bikes

Great video

Well, i hope stark is also not failing, because only got the 100$, couldn’t deliver on time, and with the recession will probably face many people who had decide to just buy another bike, or can’t afford that spending anymore.

I remember they hired a famous flat tracker & wondering why. I think they got caught up in spending money on perhaps lesser advantageous pursuits than proper marketing & sales strategy. Sad because they had one of the best looking bikes ever, dare I say better looking than a Stark Varg & was well designed for good performance

The only question I missed was about the impact of non existing clutch. A lot of riders use the clutch all the time. How is the control and ride abilities changed without a clutch?

I think Anton was done speaking about Alta and why it failed. The heavy sigh said it all. He wants to talk about Stark and why it will succeed.

Alta’s marketing was very poor for the segment of the market that is the largest which is weekend warriors who ride trails, desert... so non-track riders, because they flat out refused to answer the question about the range of the bike’s battery compared to a tank of gas in a 4 stroke. Just give us the KW:gallon equivalent. Instead they dodged it with vague answers = it became a loser

Alta Needed money .. Harley Davidson made them an offer then left them in Limbo until they were Desperate. HD bought out their Competition then shut them down. I see there is a German Brand that is Impressive.

Rode one, changed my mind on electric for sure!

People will believe once say a good rider gets on one and dominates. Then everyone will have one. Put jet Lawrence or hunter or Deegan, any top rider will completely demolish the field.

@jase It's Redshift, not Redhawk (not that it matters anymore anyway). 🙂

Alta was like a very good university project but they could not produce it. It was too much a backyard build. Stark is doing it at a production thinking level and i hope they succeed. They are doing it the right way i think and building the bike from the ground up for electric vs adapting. Like tesla in a way. If they can control the price and make it affordable with good parts and service they have a very good shot at making a dent in the market. Their biggest argument is the absence of noise and emission ( even if producing battery is not much better) it should open area that were only accessible to mtb for noise reason. The motorsport haters are going to be confronted by their own arguments…. I predict a lot of $ from mtb is going to migrate to electric off-road markets. The possibility to travel 5-6h into the mountain or forest in almost silence is going to be very attractive.

Free market has always rejected electric! That’s all you can’t force a product on the public we don’t want it!!!!

There uk rep came to our track today for a meeting regarding installing chargers and getting a fleet of hire bikes. They ain’t messing around. The bike is awesome

They failed because of naïve business management.

The Canadian RU-vidr FortNine said Harley Davidson strung them along with an agreement to purchase then did nothing, at the 11th hour Polaris was offered the company but did not take the opportunity.

I’ve been running the Surron for a year now. Absolutely loving it - sub to my channel 🤙🏽 I’m super excited for the stark. The noise pollution is my biggest winner. It’s nice knowing the neighbours can’t complain

The only problem is go to a outdoor national or supercross with no sound or smell electric is cool but boring I hope I die before electric takes over!!!!!

Just at the beginning. One small reason Alta failed. In my opinion. Look at the previous video on the factory. Everything is Ferrari. If not Ferrari Bugatti. And that's just for the wrenches and sockets. And the kleenex holder. I see that. I see excess. And then I see failure. But like all things it has to start somewhere

I bet they could 2 wheel drive electric for off road bikes like the christini bikes from back in the day. But way better.

Stark needs to perfect their bikes before selling mediocre components and thinking it's good enough. I will stick with Honda Quality

What sucks for him is if the market doesn’t change he will not make it. there’s no want in the dirtbike world for it at least in the weekend rider think 2strokes are coming back and they said they would die forever the market is and won’t be there for long time plus the biggest reason we like combustion motor is we can built and create what we want electric will be low and high power that’s it. Just my opinion he’s missing why people ride motorcycles. Same as rc cars lots of parts to play with

Alta produced a decent bike. People over hyped it because it was the first viable electric dirt bike. If Alta was as good as the hype, they would have easily found another investor after Harley bailed. Stark has all these claims and zero proof. It blows me away that this bike is also getting over hyped. Once the Japanese start making full-size electric dirt bikes, it will be lights out at Stark.

Here > Subject: Green Is Not So Green > What is a battery?' I think Tesla said it best when they called it an Energy Storage System. That's important. > > They do not make electricity - they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. > > Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?" > > Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car. > > There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. > > Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them. > > All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. 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These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive embedded costs." > > Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and operating costs. I will explain embedded costs using a can of baked beans as my subject. > > In this scenario, baked beans are on sale, so you jump in your car and head for the grocery store. Sure enough, there they are on the shelf for $1.75 a can. As you head to the checkout, you begin to think about the embedded costs in the can of beans. > > The first cost is the diesel fuel the farmer used to plow the field, till the ground, harvest the beans, and transport them to the food processor. Not only is his diesel fuel an embedded cost, so are the costs to build the tractors, combines, and trucks. 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Let me tell you why. > > The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled. > > Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects. > > There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions. I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent. "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal and are easily espoused, catchy buzz words, but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

maybe good for track but if like me you ride very far in remote places its no good. we strap gerrycans of gas on our dirt bikes to have longer range. can you bring extra battery and how much cost a battery. a gerrycan is 10 bucks.

The problem I have with electric bikes is that there is no clutch. Ive been in situations where i lose control ans have the throttle wide open. I could simply pull the clutch in and regain control. also ive used the clutch to meter the power. Professionals for the most part wont have this issue but what happens when they do?

And then the lawyers of that big american-made motorcycle company put a hush order so nobody at altar or none of the head people at Alto were able to talk or disclose any information or what happened or why if you don't believe me go look it up for yourself

Lots of people are still buying the Alta used

Right after Alta went under, I found an electric Harley Davidson on display at the US Open in Huntington Beach, CA. Weird to see them with an Electric motorcycle right after they killed Alta.

They failed because it was 15,000 per bike, if a motocross bike I’m supposed to beat up and hammer on the track is over 10,000 it’s stupid and will fail, you wanna not fail? Make a regular priced bike

Seems kinda crazy that these guys haven't met with alta and asked what went wrong? Wouldn't that be the first thing you did?

Everyone is saying electric is the future, why ? I think the reason Alta failed is because the majority of the consumers don’t agree . A lot of people still enjoy the raw aspects of a gas bike . Sure the technology is there but is it needed yet ? Honestly I don’t think it is having an electric bike is still somewhat a gimmick to own it doesn’t far out way a gas bike there’s no real positive to owning one . Yeah ok gas prices are increasing of late this may be a reason but until a month ago that wasn’t the case . It’s not like they’re any better if anything the charge times and unavailable power sources in remote areas is still a major issue . Cool little tech bike but still not essential yet

There's an Ulta for sale 4 miles from me has the moto tires in the knobby tires and two chargers... 12 k.... Buy or pas?

SX & MX will be ruined if a electric bike occurs. As part of the viewing package the sound of the boxes and action is a major part. It's only taken 120+ years to maybe compete with a ICE. Let's not get too carried away with predictions

I’ll never buy an electric

This has been covered in a recent YT video, it's a shame when someone tries to copy thst

People Love the SOUND of a Gasoline Engine !!!! Electric has No Emotion coming from it .

Fortnine did a good vid about the recently.

I thought harley Davidson had something to do with there demise

They fucking fail cause they dont make noise

Fuck electric power, gazzzzzz all day.

IMO Alta looked 80% moto and the market went "meh" the Stark looks 120% moto.

Altas bike looked like shit , was only sold in USA and they didn’t market the bike well

It's electric junk! Throw away garbage

this guy should just be quiet and look cool lol. He's going to ruin it.

They fell because it’s electric LOL. I electricians that future I’m sorry but it’s now. Nobody wants to watch a bunch of electric dirt bikes riding supercross~Boring~ 🤣

Pretty soon these goons will have the bikes working as drones no rider!