As you said, Hector is a good man. He understood his mistake killing Achilies' cousin "just a boy, way too young". So being the good man he is, he faced the consequences of his actions.
He also understood that he helped to start the war, by letting his foolish brother sleep with Helen, and later by not bringing them back to Sparta. He chose his brother, rather than his country, and he knew that sooner or later he must pay for his mistakes.
His honor even shows when Achilles takes off his helm, Hector's honor compels him to take his off too. As it would be an unfair advantage. Love that detail.
Well, in the Iliad he actually run back to the city gates from fear, bit by seeing one of his brothers to be there supporting him, he got courage and then started fighting against the mighty Achilles
@@dillonheritage1207In all fairness, that's not such a bad trade off. I'm sure there are plenty of husbands doing chores to get some "quality time" and their wives don't look anywhere near as good as Katy Perry, who, in my honest opinion, isn't exactly a dime herself.
@@kylewilson2819 In ancient Greek history and mythology the suffering and hardships of heroes were a way to showcase human endurance and strength. Through trials, heroes demonstrated their resilience and ability to overcome even the most extreme challenges. Sisyphus, condemned to endlessly push a rock uphill, represents human perseverance, while Odysseus symbolizes endurance and cleverness as he fought for years to return home.
In the Illiad Mannaleus (Helens husband) wasn't abusive or cruel or evil he was a kind and honorarable warrior. He genuinely loved Helen and respected her. He didn't just see her as an object and she genuinely loved him in return. The only reason Helen left Mannaleus was because the goddess of love Aphrodite made her fall in love with Paris. The three greek get Goddesses Aphrodite, Athena and Hera were in a contest to see who was the most beautiful. They asked Paris to choose which of them was the most beautiful and offered him different things. Aphrodite offered him Helen and Made her fall for him, Helen left without sending a letter to explain. Mannaleus believed she was kidnapped and launched the war to save her.
@@Karl-me4mh Homer's Iliad is the oldest surviving artifact of European literature. It may seem like a "fairytale" for a nation that has only existed for a few hundred years and has distinguished itself primarily through war and destruction. As a European, it is sacred to me. Certainly holier than ANYTHING that has ever come from the US of A. "I fart in your general direction" to quote Monty Python.
Hector represents, even today, all the qualities of a good leader and a good man. Brave, fair, considerate, capable... for me is the true real HERO of the Iliad.
And Hektor also defends the unjust, protecting his shitty brother Paris from the entirely foreseeable and wholly justified consequences of his impulsive actions. Honor, of course, requires Hektor to defend his brother. Filial piety takes precedence, even when that means putting your entire nation at risk for the sake of a scumbag. "Yeah, he may be a worthless piece of crap, but he's MY brother" is an attitude that is not wholly absent in the modern world. This makes Hektor's actions relatable. But not because he is a "good man". Morality requires Hektor to turn Paris over for his crimes. Honor requires Hektor to defend his brother. Hektor discards morality in favor of honor.
@@flatebo1 and don't forget that this other guy treated the girl as slave and went to war over a girl just to kill her himself honestly I'm glad Paris and the girl got together because I really hate that girl evil husband and his brother that always wants to take over troy and get more power honestly why don't a king fight their own battle for once and not drag an entire army just for them to be killed for no reason in this war. And I also hate these soilders kill innocent people and kill kids/babies
@@flatebo1 I respectfully disagree. Hector talks a good game. But he forsook his honor and gave lie to his words by the choices that he made. For pretty much all of recorded history, people have stood by and watched fathers, sons, brothers, assorted family, friends and lovers die in duels. Based on morality or ethics, you can certainly make a case that it is wrong to allow your brother to be killed in a duel. But honor demands that you do not interfere in a duel. Hector saving Paris was understandable in a modern mindset. But historically it is a very dishonorable deed to violate a code duello. And Menelaus was right when he said, "This is not honor! This is not worthy of royalty! If he doesn't fight, Troy is doomed!"
@@emilianohermosilla3996 That's funny. I've always been under the impression that a good man wouldn't kill a boy. Patroclus was far too young to die and Hector should have told the difference between a 18 (the Iliad states this when they introduced him) year old boy and a full grown man- Achilles. He's killed enough other soldiers to know the difference.
I like how the movie tried to explain the "Achilles Heel" mythology. The myth states that when he was a baby Achilles' mother Thetis (a sea nymph aka water godess) bathed him in the river Styx (river of the dead) in order to make him invulnerable. It also says that the only vulnerable point of Achilles was his heel because it was the only part that his mother was holding him from, while dipping him into the river. That myth circulated among the Greeks of that era as well in order to justify how good a warrior Achilles was and how he never lost in battles. The movie cleverly "debunks" that by saying that he was in fact a very good warrior but not immortal. And he was struck with a couple of arrows in the chest (which we see him removing in order to keep fighting) as well as one on the heel. And when he is found dead with just one arrow on the heel still remaining, that further emboldened the myth that he was hit in the only spot where he was not immortal and died.
In the myth Paris hits him with the arrow in the heel and Achilles pulls the arrow out, tearing the veins and the arteries in the foot, the aftermath is, he bleeds out. If he wouldn't have pulled the arrow out, he wouldn't die at all (medically; but he would, because it was the will of the Gods lol)
@@SataPataKiouta that's true. Still, the myths remain very close to eachother in crucial events, even though it's not directly mentioned in the Illiad or Odyssey. It also seems the one and only logical explanation, in fact, because an arrow in a leg or foot won't kill you and especially not a man like Achilles. The arrows used in the Trojan war had their pointy endings shaped in small hooks, that's why Achilles tore his whole heel when he tried to pull the arrow out. I think he even broke it first and continued to fight with the arrow in his heel and tore it later, when it became uncomfortable to move with it and collapsed afterwards. (ofcourse those are all myths, lol ~) But that's also why debunking his invincibility in a way like in this movie doesn't make sense. If he doesn't die from the arrow piercing his heel (and thus the consequences), where did the myth come from... did no one see the other holes in his torso? He's clearly in another clothes when being burned at the end... At times like those, dying from such a small wound would be inglorious; it would be more like: "four arrows were needed to kill a man like Achilles...." Also, have all the archers shooting at him the whole time during the war been blind? :D In the myth, he is shot while in battle still outside the city walls, so everyone sees it and it's only one arrow and it's also very unique death so there's no doubt it was that wound that killed him. (but again, the war in this movie lasts for 2 weeks including the mourning time for Hector haha ~ Odysseus won't have to wait 20 years to return home)
13:07 I’ve NEVER seen this version of the movie where Odysseus says he’s going to miss his dog. In the story of the odyssey after years when he gets back home in disguise to avoid suspicion the only one who recognizes Odysseus is his dog, Argos, who is old and dying, alone, tossed out onto the street and laying in manure. Argos waited that whole time for Odysseus to return but knew he couldn’t go up to him because he’d put him at risk and he was too weak to do so. He just wags his tail. After that he laid his head down and finally died having seen Odysseus return in his final moments. And Odysseus also had to just walk past him.
When Odysseus says "Women have a way of complicating things," he's not just referring to Achilles newfound love with Briseis. He's also referring to his own wife, Queen Penelope. Just a few days before Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Ithaca, Penelope gave birth to her and Odysseus's son, Telemachus. So Odysseus had to leave for Troy knowing he would never get to watch his son grow up.
From Homer's "The Illiad", Achilles loved Briseis more due to the fact that she was a gift from his men to him and he deeply loved and respected his men.
Achilles also never entered the Troy. Paris killed him way before the Horse was made. And ofcourse Agamemnon never died in Troy, there is a whole new story about him returning home and killed by his wife and her lover
@@RootinrPootine You would be thinking wrong. I've definitely read "The Iliad", shortly after "Troy" was released. Troy being the first movie I went to see at the cinema after my return from deployment to Iraq, or are you going to question THAT as well? ~ "The Iliad" is a MASSIVE tome and took forever to get through and there were just too many points to hit upon to monopolize this comment section, but I'll hit upon a few others. ~ There were actually TWO "Ajax" characters. The large one in the film, who was NOT killed by Hector. He committed suicide after having gone mad and killing some livestock he thought were Trojan soldiers. The smaller Ajax was his good friend. Achilles had FIFTY (50) SHIPS of FIFTY (50) MEN each, NOT just one. Hector and Paris had a half sister who always had visions and was considered mad. She foretold of the evil that Helen would bring upon Troy. There was an omission of Troy's allies in the war, unfortunately, I can only recall the Amazons. In fact, Achilles had grieved over their fallen queen/general, whom he had killed in battle, himself. Leading a high ranking Greek to mock him and suggest they would've gotten married. Achilles killed him on the spot. The "gods" played a larger role and faced off against each other over it. After killing Achilles, Paris was killed by a half mad Greek archer who was retrieved from exile on an island to deal with him. ~ Satisfied. Or do you want more?
Achillies mother attempts to make the baby Achilles immortal, by dipping him in the River Styx (the river that runs through the underworld), while holding him by his heel. The one part of his body left untouched by the waters becomes his only point of weakness.
Pampered weak son who's never been in a battle, doesn't lift, can't fight has challenged a middle aged, battle hardened Spartan King that was training to Kill since childhood? "Here's the sacred family sword." 🤔
Odysseus is more important than you'd think. This was only half of the entire Saga, this marks the begining of his arc....it's his story, His "Odyssey".
Love how this was written in a way that had you believing how the legend of Achilles' Heel came about and explained how Achilles was not a demi-god, but just an exceptionally well trained and disciplined warrior. Oh, and Hector and Paris were only half brothers in the novel as King Priam liked to play around and had A LOT of out of wedlock children. Only Hector was born from his wife.
It didnt even outright say that he wasnt. The scene with his mother proposed one option, and his death scene proposed the other option, and both options were plausible by the movie logic.
@@pavelslama5543 EXACTLY. And, I believe, Paris targeted his heel first because he observed how Achilles attacked his brother with pouncing moves. He had to remove the threat of his agility and cause him suffering at the same time. Of course, in The Iliad, (spoiler alert for those that aren't aware) neither Achilles nor Paris survived long enough to even see the Trojan Horse, let alone take part in the sacking of Troy battle. Hector's son, between 5 and 10 years old, was captured and thrown from the top of the city wall. Agamemnon survived to return to Mycenae where his wife's lovers ambushed him in his bath at her orders, because he sacrificed their daughter for fair winds to sail across the Aegean Sea to attack Troy. Achilles actually had FIFTY (50) ships of fifty men. ALL of the main women were captured and Menelaus forgave Helen where the rest were made into slaves. (Whew!) Did I miss anything? 🤷🏻♂️🤣
One of the main differences between this film and the original story is that the film has Helen going with Paris willingly, but in the original story, it was very much him KIDNAPPING her. Helen and Menelaus actually had a really good relationship, and she wanted to remain loyal to him, but Paris got some help from Aphrodite to abduct her because she had promised him he’d have Helen as his wife as a reward for choosing her as the most beautiful goddess between her, Hera, and Athena.
Yeah in all adaptations they always put Menelaus in a very bad position. He was as good fighter as Hector, he protected patroclus body, he was cheated in the duel with Paris (when Paris was saved by Aphrodite and someone arrowed Menelaus), he forgived Helen, Menelaus was not drunkard when she was taken, he was at his grandparents funeral in Crete.
@@velzaresp8623 Not all of them. There is one film adaptation where Menelaus is much closer to how he is in the Iliad. That film is “Helen Of Troy”, starring Sienna Gillory as Helen and Rufus Sewell as Agamemnon.
"Didn't the Greeks really slaughter like this?" The shorter list would be those who didn't do this. The longer a war or even a siege goes, the worse it is for the losing side at the end. This one lasted twenty years.
Yea, most sieges lasted 6 months to a year or so just to make it look good for their own ruler. If the city didn't put up enough resistance, their own ruler would punish them.
Who didn't do this at that time and even in more modern times of war? War is ugly, unfair and cruel. All humans have done this, in all the wars regardless of where they come from etc.
www.youtube.com/@ColetteCherry Actually, there is more to why the Greeks gave no quarter to Troy. Showing no mercy is the consequence of Troy not living up to the pact when Greece won in single combat (which was supposed to avoid more people from fighting and dying).
Aeneas, the one who received the Sword of Troy, after a long journey, settled on the shores of central Italy and founded Rome. Romans a few centuries later conquered Greece. In a way the Trojans had their revenge.
Well. that is according to roman mythology. Because it was no glory in having ancestors who killed their brothers and stole wifes from the etruscans when Rome was a den of thieves. Better to calls Troyans your ancestors.
@@slimbombur7922 Ancestors that killed their brothers? Yuo mean Romulus and Remus that are legendarily descendants of Aeneas the Trojan? Also it was the Sabine women the Romans abducted, not Etruscan, and those women actually stopped their brothers and fathers from killing Romans in retaliation which united the two tribes.
@@Meko-Teko no, Aeneas founded Lavinium in Latium region (his wife's name was Lavinia, King of the tribe of Latini's daughter) and his son Iullus founded Alba Longa. His descendants, the twins Romulus and Remus founded Rome centuries later.
@@HaloDude557They found Troy. However, archeologists cannot dig more because of Turkish government restrictions. If the Turkish government allowed them to, they would find the tombs of warriors like Achilles.
Millions of people have been dying and suffering from wars from ancient times to the present. Wars continue. Almost all people are good people. And they don't deserve to die, any more than Hector did. But they are dying. It is sad.
Hector is a complete man - very rare. Physically strong, mentally strong, moral, brave, honorable, logical, faithful to his wife, humble, compassionate, intelligent, excellent at his job, a leader.
@@georgeprchal3924That had nothing to do with Roman and Greek. However, Alexander the Great defeated the Persian empire, which Parisian damaged Greek life and lands. This was revenge for the Greeks.
Per Virgil, Aeneas was the ancestors of those who would become the Romans. So Paris giving the Sword of Troy to Aeneas does have a lot of meaning. This movie doesn't perfectly tell the old stories of the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid, but it comes close. And it's a hell of show, with lots of vibrant characters!
Well, it does not come close at all...Not Agamemnon, neither Menelaus, nor Ajax were killed in Troy...Andromache, Hector's wife, did not escape free...She was taken by the Greeks as a slave together with Ekavi, King Priamus wife. Helen did not escape with Paris...She returned to Menelaus...And Paris, as you can assume, died during the war. A Greek by the name Philoctetes killed him...
The scene with Aeneas is so weird. He looks all excited and happy for the sword given to him and in the meantime his city is burning, his people diying.
@@karst1559 In the original text, Aeneas indeed escaped free...But only because Greek soldiers spared him when they saw him carrying his disabled father.
@@demetriskatsianis2396 According to Vergil Aeneas founded Lavinium in Latium and his descendant Romulus founded Rome. From the perspective of a spectator it is understandable the excitement in seeing him taking the sword of Troy. But Aeneas himself should be everything but happy or excited: he's fleeing while his home is being destroyed. Anyways there are other protagonists who are completely forgotten here, like Antenor and Diomedes. They too survived the war and had some adventures elsewhere.
@@karst1559 To make it more weird, think about this. Paris gives him the sword because he is not sure that he will make it alive because he had to go back and kill Achilles. But later we see Paris get away with the fugitives so he must have taken the sword back and carry it as the last remained Prince of Troy (all that according to the movie, because in Iliad Paris died way before)
I know the sacking of troy is hard to watch, but it brilliantly shows the brutality of ancient warfare, which really was something else. Entire populations of cities were put to the sword and its not an anomaly, every army behaved like this. For me these scenes give me perspective how good my life is like nothing else.
Jason and the Argonauts was the equivalent of The Avengers in those days, the ultimate crossover story featuring every famous name and character of the age.
Sean Bean played Odysseus (AKA Ulises). The Odyssey is one of two major ancient Greek epic poems attributed to Homer. It is one of the oldest extant works of literature still widely read by modern audiences. As with the Iliad (that we see here), the poem is divided into 24 books. It follows the Greek hero Odysseus, king of Ithaca, and his journey home after this Trojan War. There´s a good classic movie about the Odyssey and Ulises, played by Kirk Douglas.
YES! Paris of Troy is one of the most despicable characters in all of Greek mythology, in all mythology, in all of human stories. I love it when reactors don't know the history in historical epics or the legends movies are based on it's always hilarious when they find out 😂
The actor who played King Priam of Troy was Peter O'Toole. To see O'Toole as a much younger actor, think about reacting to "Lawrence of Arabia", first because it is one of the greatest movies ever made, secondly because the cinematography is stunning and third to see Mr. O'Toole at his height of acting prowess. You won't regret it.
I saw this in the theater, and when leaving, I heard a couple of people say what a great movie this was. It's very well done. Gladiator next? YES. You'll love that one.
Also, one other thing to commend Hector. In his fight with Achilles he never brands a weapon that hasnt been used in battle until he disarms Achilles of the one he is currently using. He honors even his enemy while fighting them as well.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
37:22 Hector had two options. Either half-ass the attack in order to follow his preferred strategy of dividing the Greeks, or follow the orders from his dad. And sadly, he chose the honorable and dutiful option to follow his father´s orders, which ultimately doomed them all.
In ancient times a siege would often end with a massacre like this. They were extremely drawn out affairs that could last months or even years, and at the end you have a bunch of young, poorly educated men who finally have a chance to vent months of frustration.
55:59 1 of my favorite quotes in a movie is actually one Brad Pitt says, " Ideals are peaceful... History is violent." It's from the movie, "Fury." War throughout all generations was brutal AF
The Greeks had been conquered and desemated long before the Romans went there. It would be like if China kicked the shit out the USA and left it a shell of its former glory. Then the British came in and kicked the usa when it was down and not really the USA anymore claiming revenge for American Revolution.
"The army bows down to Achilles more than Agamemnon the king" yes, because they've seen both sides of the coin. They've seen Agamemnon hang back on a ship and send them to die, they've seen him ride in a chariot with rows of soldiers protecting him, they've seen him walk into a tent with other commanders and sit in a chair feasting and drinking and accepting gifts and accolades for victories he observed. And they've seen Achilles row onto a beachhead alone with like 20 other dudes, ahead of the entire army, and proceed to beat the filth out of the entire defensive line. They've seen him fight, they've seen him win, they've seen him walk among them as a soldier, they've seen him act like a one man army with a proven track record of being able to back that claim, and they've seen Agamemnon redraw lines in the sand over and over with the amount of things he allows Achilles to get away with that any of them would have been beheaded for instantly. Agamemnon may be the king on the chessboard, but Achilles is the "queen". You only fear and respect the king piece when you're right next to it and can't back away, but the queen? You fear and respect that anywhere on the board, because unlike the king who must be shielded, the queen can reach out and smack you no matter where you are.
@@landonboyd3001 you’re in the comments section for a movie based on a book. Someone tells you to read the book rather than just say irrelevant generalities. And your response is to get super butthurt and call them narcissistic? lol get a grip
If you want to watch the sequel to this it's an adaptation called "O, Brother Where Art Thou?". George Clooney plays Odysseus as "Ulysses Everett" trying to get home to Greece after the war. Great movie too!
what I love about the fight between achilles v hektor. Is achilles does all the moves we've seen him do before. There's tests and exchanges you prod and poke see how your opponent reacts. The shield banging, the spear move that he did with his sword. the shield defense in front attacking with the spear. Also he's rage driven but he's in control, he's focused he's not succumbing to anger which would have cost him his life. And his style is appears over the top but its base is to counter, he baits you with looking exposed and tries to catch and punish when you go for it.
There are actually a few spear masters on RU-vid who have critiqued this fight and said it was a decent enactment one what a 1 on 1 spear fight would look like (with the exception of a shattering of a turned and re-inforced spear).
55:25 Yeah, and the movie is still severely toned down in the brutality. Because according to the original story by Homér, even the fate of Hector´s wife was according to what Hector only voiced as a possibility in the movie - she was r*ped, and forcefully married off, and their son was thrown off the city walls.
In the movie Achilles just wanted to fight for king who was honorable. Who fought with his men..aka like King Arthur. Achilles portrayal was that of a soldier who is tired of fighting battles for egos and greedy kings. And Achilles was right..soliders win battles. Also, Hector had a strategic military mind..he was right and problem was King believed in Gods would come in where Hector believed in what manpower and strategic ways to win battles. I loved your take Collette...about everything. Achilles was more respected because he had a code and fought WITH his men. AKA once again why King Arthur story is a legend. An honorable leader.
@@georgeprchal3924 LOL you miss the point entirely when I say fight. I mean a man of purpose. Warlords are a dime a dozen throughout history. Fighting amongst you men and having purpose are two different things and using your men for selfish purposes is easy. Caring, leading, and having honor say like Leonidas are different. That is point I was making. So yes you are right their have been kings that fought beside their men, but having a truly good leader no those were rare. If it was common place or easy path everyone would do it.
@@shawnkroll3950 the Greeks did have purpose though: reunite Helen with Menelaus. In the Iliad Menelaus won the right to marry Helen and Achilles, Odysseus, Agamemnon, Diomedes, Ajax etc were honor bound to defend their marriage which happened when Paris abducted her.
@@georgeprchal3924 True. But to me "won" the right to marry is more like property. Not really a choice, but back that is way things were done. It really was about one man wanting what he deemed his "property" back. Honor bound to defend their marriage is just a way to use honor to claim his property. Not true honor. But beyond that movie takes liberties with history. But Agamemnon really in this movie had people fight his battles for him and truthfully a lot of warlords in history were like this. I think they did this more as premise for movie that Achilles craved a true good leader..as he makes comment to Troy's king..you are a far better king than the one who leads this army. I agree with you point but for movie aspects..they really made Agamemnon and his army look like villains and from a certain point of view they kind are.
@@shawnkroll3950 Helen and Menelaus' children would disagree seeing as they did not take kindly to their mother being kidnapped and even Helen herself thought Paris weak and prayed her husband killed him.
100% agreed on Hector. Possibly my favorite character ever. The only way I don’t tear up when Hector leaves is by him thinking, “look what the heck you did Helen. Look wtf you did. I’ll just go DIE now.”
Great movie but of course classic Hollywood movie...in the true story Menelaus lives and takes Hellen back to Sparta, Paris is also dying when Greeks enter Troy and Agamemnon also lives and is killed by his wife when he returns in Greece!
Hector is not a coward. He is a brave, honest men who accepts the consequences of his actions. He is a proud solldier and prince of troy. He basically has no choice if he wants to keep the respect and honor he worked so hard for
Hector didn’t knew he would loose, and also I can speak for every man alive: Hector had to go, it’s a thing of Honor that is deeply rooted in us man and that is kinda embedded in our DNA - just like Paris is the greatest honorless crybaby ever „than I’ll die fighting“ what a joke of a „man“ even Hector said „Paris“ before saving him as he wanted to say „get up and fight“ and even his father said „Fight him!“ knowing he would die but dying standing is a thousand times better than living crouching and begging for your life or even worse begging someone to safe your life…
@@FabioKn please talk for yourself if this is your mindset - I know this isn’t the case for me or many others so please don’t judge people you don’t know
I have seen this movie half a dozen times now and still enjoy watching it despite some historical inaccuracies. I really enjoyed your commentary throughout, Collette. You demonstrated a sharp mind and good insight into human behaviour and motivations. You were also very articulate and perceptive. Your observation made me stop and rethink some of my own thoughts and perceptions regarding the moral and social issues underpinning this tale. Very well done and I look forward to watching/listening to more of your commentaries on future movies.
Hi Colette listen, as Italians the Trojan War is a bit our daily bread, Achilles challenges Hector in a one-on-one duel to avenge Patroclus, And Hector has to accept by force, ancient history is full of these moments, furthermore in Original Myth Achilles and Hector challenge each other because they know well that whoever wins between them 2 wins the war!
Well, as a Greek I have to say that in the original Homer's poem, there is no mutual challenge...It is only Achilles who keeps on challenging Hector and Hector keeps avoiding the duel, because he knows he is no match for Achilles. There is a part in which Achilles is chasing Hector around the walls of Troy...
@@demetriskatsianis2396 Yes, I already knew it, but in the end Ettore accepts! I remember that there is a Deity in one version that convinces him! In a version I read I remember that it's there! Look, I know mythology and not just Greek mythology!
@@demetriskatsianis2396 I tried to explain it to him because from what I understood in the USA not everyone knows the ancient legends! Let's leave aside the part that Hephaestus forges new weapons and armor for the occasion before the battle!
@@demetriskatsianis2396 There is no mutual challenge but in the end Ettore Accepts! In the end he has to accept! However, it is an unequal challenge! There is no mutual challenge as you say but in the end Ettore Accepts! In the end he has to accept! However, it is an unequal challenge!
@@pierluigiguerriero8977 Yes, about the Deities...even I cannot recollect who helps whom...I think Athena (Minerva for Latins) is with the side of the Greeks, Apollo is with the Trojans, Artemis (Diane)...I do not remember!!!
"Whoever decided to cast Brad Pitt is a genius. There's no one else." 100%, his greatest role, and apparently just like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca, he didn't even like the movie.
I met a young Greek bartender in Memphis (Tennessee not Egypt) once who told me that King Menelaus was a REAL person and he saw his mummy. Said that he was a very small man, as in the "Helen Of Troy" movie, that did a better job of casting (other than the character of Achilles).
Yes, Agamemnon is also considered to be a real historical king. Troy was also a historical city. In fact, the myth of Troy was very likely created as a distant memory of a real huge war, and not as a fantasy story. The fact that people had no way how to write it down immediately left the space for numerous retellings, which lead to the appearance of many mystical beings and forces, but the basis underneath it was indeed real.
@@pavelslama5543 There are two rumors surrounding Homer's tome, "The Iliad". One, that the blind scholar wrote it 600 years AFTER the supposed event. Two, scholars have debated if the tome was a compilation of SEVERAL scholars over centuries.
@@danielhaynes2373it's more than likely the latter. Since we do know the Illiad was around for generations being passed down verbally before someone wrote it down. The version written down is very diffrent from the original I sposue if you've ever played the game telephone you'll know how easy it is for one story to change to another when passed verbally from person to person.
Hector is healthy masculinity. A great father, son, husband, brother and citizen that died fighting to protect his people in a war he tried to prevent.
@@RootinrPootine I meant in the movie. lol. I didn’t know if anyone would call me out on that. I considered qualifying. In the Iliad he’s a duck too, but he’s better than Paris (who isn’t though?).
One of the oldest stories, from which most of the greatest Greek dramas were drawn. "And the dying warrior's heels drummed on the ground " -Homer, The Iliad
Also in the Iliad, Achilles is a literal demigod. He was dipped in the River Styx by his mother which made him invincible, except for his heel where his mother held him.
How would you know? you haven’t read the Iliad. That’s the book this is based on. It was so good it was the equivalent of the Bible for Greeks 2500 years ago. But never mind, just watch da movies
That's something I feel is lacking from many modern movies... that sense of weight and scope. The early 00s were a good time for that with movies like Troy, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven and the LotR trilogy. Nowadays they have the ability to bring spectacular things to life with even better effects but it always seems weightless and trivial. The irreverent Marvel-style humor that has poisoned everything doesn't help either.
This story as it is presented here does a very good job of giving us TWO protagonists to cheer for whom unfortunately cross paths under these circumstances. Compelling. Growing up in the 60's with many 'sword and sandal' movies had me very pleased that besides the Lord of the Rings, we got TROY, 300, and Gladiator.
51.56 ...actually Odysseus was the wisest guy in whole story :) Here we seen only the first part Iliad , the second part Odyssey deserves a movie too :)
57:00 - so this is actually more important than you realize Aeneas is the main carictar of the epic poem the Aeneid which attepts to Tie Rome to Troy through the Aeneas.
Achilles was trained as a young boy, and as they say, he came from a god or a goddess, therefore he was a demigod. We still go through egos till this day. Achilles had his desires and Hector had his. Hector wanted a family as it’s seen in the movie. Achilles was to remain a warrior until a woman touched his heart therefore he found peace. There’s something about Achilles, the fascinates me. He was built differently than Hector. He had a different path. Opposite attract. The woman understood that Achilles was not trying to hurt her that it was just wrath because of his cousins death. She would’ve still remained with him and carry his seed because that’s what true love is about. We’re all sinners we all make mistakes he deserved her and so did she. But Achilles had to go through his consequences. What you do does come back to you whether you’re a good man or not. I love this movie. Achilles is a perfect example of how a true man is when it comes to protect provide and decision-making. He was a king of himself. And the woman that he was in love with is a perfect example of how pure and unexperienced, but intelligent of how she is and strong. Opposites attract. Hope this makes sense 🤷
its funny how she is in the beginning like: Oh yeah Girl, cheat on your Husband because he is an asshole. Yes, i totally support that. OMG QUEEEEEEEN. Hector dies: Why is this happening, OMG I dont support this. Women....
44:25 Hector is a good man. That's mostly why he fought Achilles. 52:25 similar Hector doesn't have the same motivation as Achilles. That's why I believe he subtly knew he wouldn't survive the fight.
All of this is myth based on Homer's work the Iliad. It is believed to be a history and many of the sites have been found. Achilles is also remembered in science and medicine as his heel was his mortal wound and lends his name to that part of the body. Also his name is the botanical name of Yarrow, a plant often used to stop bleeding and ancient armies would fight for a supply at times for both Yarrow (for cuts) and an African native Aloe (for burns) In modern times the rose was a vital war material in the UK during WWI and WWII as a source for Vit. C when subs cut off regular supplies of citrus fruits. Troy has been found and Homer's second part of this story is the Odyssey covering a wandering crew's trip home.
@ColetteCherry at first I was thinking "what is she talking about I don't remember seeing them throw any babies" then it happened and I said holy sh*t lol I had seen this movie like 4 or 5 times too
and wolfgang petersen is the director of the movie he also directed the classic ww2 movie das boot he is a great director and quit famous here in germany
I've been thinking that for years, Hector is the real one, while everyone is lost in their own fantasy of greatness, he's trying his best to see it as it is.
Great film Troy. Both Hector and Paris are good guys. Except that the first is also wise and responsible, the second is impulsive, immature and madly in love with the wrong woman.
Achilles was a demi-god, son of an Oceanid; daughter of Oceanus, Titan of Primordial Seas, and sister/best friend to Amphrite whom was the wife of the Poseidon, Queen of Atlantis and the Deep and Mother of Triton. She was courted by both Zeus and Apollo-the King of Olympus, Master of the Winds, Lord of the Sky, and God of Lightning, Justice, Kingship, and Judgement; And his most competent celestial son Apollo was the Sun God, God of Diseases/Plagues, God of Sport, God of Youth, God of Healing, and the God of Music respectively then. When it was foretold that her son would be greater than the one whom sired him, Zeus backed off out of fear of being usurped by a son with her but Apollo, well, he wasn't someone that accepted "no" for an answer and tried to assault her. She fled, but fearing his vengeance, she fled to the underworld after her wedding night with Prias (a husband Zeus and Hera set her up with) and dipped Achilles into the river Styx, holding him by the heel. The blessings of Styx was invulnerability, yet the water hadn't touched that heel and so that heel became his sole mortal vulnerability. Demi-gods, as a rule, are extremely passionate to the point of being ruled by what and who they loved but they are susceptible to the most terrible wrath when seized by fury and despair such as in this film where Achilles allowed his pride and wrath to drive him into slaying a good man, a good husband, a great warrior, and the best prince in the Mediterrainian. Achilles was more than a man yet less than a god and so he had no place in either world, yet could walk the world of men and the world of the gods as none but a demigod could. The more their parent loved them or their mortal parent, then the stronger the demigod would and few were adored like Achilles was by both parents. Patroclus was more than Achilles' student, he was his lover and Patroclus adored Achilles while Achilles was quite fond of his cousin; he desired an equal and could not fall in love with one he viewed as junior to him; enter Briseis and Hypolytas' elder sister (Queen of the Amazons whom fought for Troy for the reward of taking great warriors as her and her sisters' slaves to sire the next generation of Amazonian women; any sons sired were put to death at birth by their own mothers),
Why would you spout all of that without defending Patroclus good name? The disrespect this movie gives him? He was essentially unbeatable. Achilles orders him to impersonate him! After a bloodbath of destruction he isn’t even defeated, but tricked. Have you read the Iliad or is this just copy and paste?
Another great reaction. Love the insites. If you haven't already seen it then Thr Usual Suspects is an amazing film to watch. Great story telling and brilliantly written and directed
I think Hector thinks - If I kill him, we may win the war. It would be such a morale downer for their enemy. Morale on your troops is super important in war
I actually went and read the Iliad a few months ago, and it's a WILD book to read. Ajax (dude with the warhammer, played by Tyler Mane, who by himself stands 6'9'') was said to be second ONLY to Achilles himself out of all the Greek soldiers. Also, the Thessalonian King is played by another actor you've already seen. His name is Julian Glover, making an appearance in Episode V of Star Wars, "The Empire Strikes Back", along with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
The Good: The movie briefly shows Aeneas the Trojan being shown the secret way out of Troy. He would escape with a handful of Trojans and sail to the western Mediterranean where he would meet Dido, Queen of Carthage (in modern Tunisia), before leaving her to move to Italy and become the origin of what would one day become the Roman Empire as he was the 12th great-grandfather of Romulus and Remus. The Bad: The book gives the siege of Troy 12 years before the Greeks build the horse and pretend to leave, but in the movie it was shortened to 12 days.
If you want even more frustration, in Homer's book the Horse was way too big to fit through Troy's gates. So they actually dismantled a portion of the gate to allow the Horse to pass through One legend also states that the refugees led by Aeneas found a place to settle in what we now know as Italy. It was there that Aeneas set the foundations of the city that would become Rome Also if you wanna see Orlando Bloom shine in a righteous Hector-like role, I can definitely recommend The Kingdom of Heaven if you haven't seen it already
