They Got Drafted...Then Killed Their Own Teams 

“James wiseman is the softest center” Deandre Ayton: “hold my bee…soda”

There are some people comparing Killian Hayes' career trajectory to Ricky Rubio but I think that's insulting to Rubio IMO the guy has multiple seasons scoring at least 10 ppg and also having multiple seasons having 8apg he's also a starting caliber PG in the NBA most of his career

Patrick Williams is another example of Bulls doing a poor job of developing young talent. Markkanen, and Kris Dunn never improved while they were here, and it took five seasons for Coby White to become a solid starting player. Pat Williams and Ayo Dosunmu’s development mirrors that of Markkanen. Dalen Terry hardly played his rookie season and is now averaging about 10 mins a game his sophomore year. Zach Lavine is the only success story the Bulls have but I would argue that he came pretty developed already he just needed a team where he would have more touches of the ball. Something tells me the reason AK doesn’t blow it up and rebuild is because he either doesn’t have confidence in his ability to draft or (the more likely reason) he doesn’t have faith in developing young players

Man Golden State drafting killed their dynasty after having a golden generation of drafting the core of said dynasty!! Crazy!!

Its hard to say Davion "killed" his team - Or is even the worst person on the kings. He's still an amazing defender, and was really great in the playoffs, hitting a dagger in game 2, and in that game holding Curry to shooting splits that would make Killian Hayes blush. The issue is that the Kings are a guard heavy team, and that his best upside being defense is kinda negated by the fact that Keegan Murray is also becoming a high level defender, who can handle the ball just as well and is way better as a shooter. Davion's numbers, along with his minutes, have been steadily going up.

Damn bro hates killian hayes 🤣 I get it tho.

Why Davion is in this list? He is a defender, back up PG. He is not hurting his team when he is doing his role.

Andy had no reason goin for Wiseman’s life like that lmfaooo

You can tell Andy dont actually watch the Bulls lol. Pat's role isnt to score because they have other guys who specialize in it. When Pat was called to do it he can do it just fine.

I can't agree with what you saying about pat you can't expect a player to develop when you have 2 ball hogs Lavine and DeRozan and when Lavine was out he scored consistent 20 point a game

All motivation that Poole had went out his body with that Draymond punch

i dont think Davion is hurting the kings he is only getting a handful of minutes and a lot of DNP's. he was great his rookie year but his shoot has gotten worst over time.

I’m absolutely in the dark on what led to Killian being drafted so high, he shot like 30% from three overseas but they where talking about him like he was Harden

Who's here after Killian got waived 😂

Excellent video as always! I love the more in depth nature of this longer type of video. Your efforts are appreciated!

Williams is the type of player many teams want next to their stars. He's not the star that a top 4 pick should be, but he's the epitome of three-and-D. His three point percentage is elite, and he's a good defender. He has some similarity to Finney-Smith, though he's a better shooter and hasn't developed as well on defense. He's young enough that he could still get much better, but even as is, many teams would love to add him in the mix.

I’m enjoying the longer videos. It especially great when I’m at work and don’t have to worry about picking back up my phone after 5 minutes haha

Davion has found his way back into the rotation as of recently and has played extremely well. He does what we drafted him to do defensively. His shot will come with more min and i love him but know he can excel as a starter

Killing his own team Hayes

Man I've said this for a while. If Golden State had drafted Melo then their number twelve pick the next year is probably off the table. But their seventh pick the following year stays where it is because it was The Wolves pick from the DLo trade. Just imagine that team today with Melo and Franz Wagner who they could have taken over Kuminga 🤯

I love these longer videos they’re so awesome. Gives me more analysis to put into my head

It’s so crazy seeing Reddish struggle offensively when in HS and in College he was viewed as a smooth versatile scorer and even compared to Paul George coming out

It’s kinda crazy. 10 years ago teams like the Knicks, jazz, sixers and magic were the bums alongside the pistons. A lot has changed with the others but the pistons remain ass

I’m surprised Dwight Powell from the Dallas Mavericks didn’t make this list. I mean come on the man broke Kyrie’s leg and has been a most mid big man in the entire NBA I know bro got drafted in like 2014 but still. He’s over stayed his welcome from far too long.

I love the longer videos. Keep up the great work.

Great video I liked all the metrics you shared to make the case of how bad these players are playing.

Always love your vid always insightful

Thought he was about to talk about some NBA Serial Krillers. But every bust pick would drop 40 in an open gym😂

You could almost put Jalen Green on the list...almost 😅👀

We fw the new content Andy Keep it up and go knicks

Davion Mitchell did not kill the kings , regardless of his weaknesses , he still has valuable strengths like his defensive abilities which is what the kings needs the most , so far he is still improving his skills nonetheless.

Great video. Like this new long video format.

I swear I just saw a girl coming from Germany ONLY to see Killian Hayes and then this video shows up XDXDXD Talk about life

If you tracked Cam's progression at Duke then his NBA turnout isn't surprising. He started the season hot but quickly became a non-factor. I think a lot of people thought he was overlooked because he was a 3rd option on a team with a trigger happy RJ Barrett and obviously, Zion was a dog that season but even as a 3rd option, Cam was shooting under 40% from the field and 33% from 3 I believe. I think he needed another year or two before he came out tbh but I get that he wanted the money and felt like he was ready

We appreciate the longer videos💯

Patrick Williams is a solid player. You aren't going to score much if you're going to be the fifth scoring option. Is he playing 4th overall worthy? Not really, but there have been worse. Should the Bulls move on from Vucevic, DeRozan, Lavine and tank once they have full control of their picks again, I think Patrick Williams could be the next Luol Deng for the team.

I like the longer videos, Ill always watch al the way through

Golden State warriors even drafting killed their dynasty after having a much incredible generation of drafting their own core , how crazy is that truly

The biggest issue in Killian is that he is chucking up shots and always make bad decisions. He will be 23 this upcoming offseason. He is chucking up shots after shots and then has tunnel vision and struggles to finish the rim or make passes to his own teammates. his defense is also a liability as he is just an average defender due the lack of lateral quickness which will hurt the team even more. Now anytime if any teams is being guarded by him they can just dribble through his glaring weakness which is mentioned on his defense.

Definitely liked the doughty longer form video. I agree it allowed you explain a lot more than usual.

what about this player? “oh this is when he was drafted. but he sucked. maybe he could become a 3 and D player or go to china. its funny because I don’t watch foreign basketball. he’s bad. very bad.” great video dude

You clearly don’t watch the Kings

darius garland was basically the worst player in the league a couple of years ago but now he's ballin, so we shouldnt worry abou Scoot yet

Longer videos from you are a pleasure. 😊

Loving longer vids, let's go!

When you got Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green on your team, you are anything but "under pressure". Poole is similar to Duncan Robinson - very good at one thing and when that thing disappears, they become a trade chip

Bro if I was called bad and useless I'd be done 😭

Should have included DeAndre Ayton 😂

Even though you’re not posting on Wednesday’s anymore, We love the long videos Andy 🫡🐐

_On Davion Mitchell:_ if you are a backup PG in your mid 20s who’s 6’1 with a 6’4 wingspan and still can’t shoot or playmake, you might as well play overseas.

Pwill is solid. He can shoot and defend. That archetype is valuable

i think davion just needs a change of scenery. he'll be a solid backup PG

A couple of these guys are defensive specialists who are bad only on one side of the ball. Hayes, for example, is actually a good and versatile defender, which is a big reason why he gets minutes. He also is a decent table-setter and play caller. As was mentioned, he can run the pick-and-roll. As bad as his offense has been, he has improved every year, which is another sign that he could carve out a role in the league. His rookie contract is almost done, so what's left of this season really will affect his future in the NBA, or lack thereof.

That's a harsh reality to hear if you're that player mentioned in this video.

Love the long videos

I told people for years when he was drafted Hayes wasn't going to make it.

I thought Poole was going to be an inefficient 20 ppg scorer on the Wizards. He actually landed in a dream scenario to shine and blew it. A bigger role on his own team with no expectations. Same reason Kuzma is content cashing checks in Washington.

You lost me at Patrick Williams. He has off games but he’s nowhere near killing our team

I told people Cam wasnt it since his first week at Duke. Those people are STILL holding out hope. It's embarrassing smh. Salute to Cam for succeeding at life though.

The reason the 2020 draft is gonna have so many ''busts'' and misses is pretty simple (it happened in 2020 and 2021 with the NFL too) it was a weird time with Covid and there being not much irl stuff

Adding scoot to this list just isn’t right.Darius garland was once the worst player statistically as a rookie and now he is one of the best guards in the league

remember when overtime did a small documentary series on Killian hayes thinking he was gonna be an NBA all star

Haven’t watched yet but you better have included Giddey. He hurts the spacing and makes offense harder for everyone. The team is so much better when he’s not on the floor

Scoot has improved. The Blazers really had no identity and team chemistry this year which makes it hard for a rookie PG. Coming in and filling Dame's shoes is no pressure, lol.

some players get hyped way too much but end up not having what it takes to be at the NBA level...

Cam Reddish has been balling as a Laker. Its not his fault the team has needed him to be the 5th best player on the team, when hes at best the 8th/9th guy off the bench. You bring him in with the second unit to make some plays on the defensive end and keep that team energy up.

I checked out after the Bulls drafted Williams. Never understood the pick. Being a Bulls fan is tough.

I remember watching a Hayes interview on French tv after he got drafted, and thinking how smug is that dude… you can’t succeed as a prospect if you’re not humble

He told lies of omission on Cam Reddish. His analysis was incomplete and lacked context. Cam Reddish was starting to fill out his potential when was with the Hawks. He was on his way to becoming a solid starter until the poorly ran front office traded him for... Kevin Knox II...🤦‍♂️ Since being traded injuries and lack of confidence have halted his progress. Now that he's with the Lakers his only job is to play defense that's why his stats don't seem that significant.

No problem. I always enjoy your videos even if it's longer. Btw still waiting for you to make a video about NBA players that once dated a celebrity in any point even if it's briefly (ex. Andre Drummond and Jennette McCurdy).

I feel like Davion Mitchell is the ultimate Bust of the past 10 seasons. He was going to easily play as good or better than Hield but it never came to fruition

I got back here after Killian got waived.

Draymond is one of the greatest defenders of our era but he will be remembered as the draymond that we know today, the guy that can't control himself from hurting other players and the Guy that killed the warriors dynasty.

Good vid

This just makes the timberwolves coming out of the 2020 draft with 2 stars look that much more impressive

Longer Andy Hoops videos oh yes

As a bulls what are you talking about pat Williams is doing his job play defense shoot 3s he had his best year last year he a good 3 and d and when Zach lavin got hurt he look good

the 2020 draft class was abysmal, i think this was the first draft without the NBA combine because of quarantine

only reason cam reddish looks bad in LA is cause hes being forced into a 3/d role...hes shown flashes on offense when he's gotten the requisite touches in consecutive games thats allowed him to get in rhythm but his inefficiency has held him back...davion imo is also fine as a pat bev/gabe vincent type

My man did you say Killian Hayes didn’t play on a good team yet? He won two Olympic medals on some beastly teams back in his teens. That was the prime of his life though, he wasn’t the reason they won those championships too

Iam from Germany Ulm and Hayes played there befor. He was not efficient and not dominating the legeau. He wasnt even the best player in his team. Theis played in Ulm too. He was fckn destroying everything!

I always thought cam reddish was gonna be paul george 2.0 🤦‍♂️

Don’t think the term bust applies to a player hitting 41% of his threes over the course of his career 🤷🏻‍♂️. Just because Patrick Williams has a limited offensive role doesn’t make him a bust

Cam Reddish has a lot of impact on the court his defense is masterful and he’s getting more and more confidence, the teams he was on before never helped with his confidence, he isn’t a bust he’s getting better

I genuinely expected a video about players like Luka Doncic who got drafted by Atlanta Hawks and dropped 73 points on them a few years later. Seeing a bunch of bad players was surprising.

I think it's fair to add Scoot to this list. At the time of the draft, the Hornets were getting flamed for picking Brandon Miller over him. Right now, that appears to have been the right decision. Scoot had a ton of hype. I hope he figures it out.

Nah 2020 draft class actually one of the better ones in the past few years, especially at the guard position. Ant, Lamelo, Haliburton, Maxey, Bane, Quickley, Mcdaniels are all studs

Two months down the road and Scoot has already improved a lot. He still makes a lot of mistakes, especially when it comes to not fouling... he REALLY loves bear hugging and holding the guys he's defending once they get him into the paint. Though I will give him some credit, as he seems to be making noticeable improvements there as well. Scort doesn't irk me, I'm neutral on him and his play. But Ant? I will always have endless fodder to slander him with. #BURNANT sincerely, a Blazers fan

Feel like Patrick Williams doesn't really belong here. Sure for the 4th overall pick he's kinda mid but all he's been asked to do is be a 3 and D player and he's been effective at both of those things.

truly tho that's a harsh reality to hear if you're this player mentioned in this video honestly

Damn, having worse bpm than Shaqtin a Poole... I feel bad for Scoot.

Patrick Williams is by far the best player on this list, if you take out the first 10 games of the season he in which he shit the bed absolutely he really hasn’t been that bad. James wiseman just doesn’t care to improve at all, has no skills, has no feel for the game at all

The 2020 draft class has guys like Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Hailiburton, Tyrese MAxey, Lamelo Ball so its not a complete dud

I don’t really get the Davion mention based on the general lack of talent that followed. Like Şengün or cam Thomas really all that and very unrealistic spot for them at 9 imo. Şengün and domas would’ve been crazy tho assuming that went down

Andy, can you apply these analytic techniques & give your analysis on these NBA players? 1. Michael Jordan 2. Magic Johnson 3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 4. Kobe Bryant 5. Wilt Chamberlin 6. Larry Bird 7. LeBron James 8. Jerry West 9. Julius Erving 10. Shaquille O’Neal I want to know if your analytical techniques can identify them as great players, compared to my subjective ranking.

Davion Mitchell isn’t a bad player and sounds corny but he looks like the new Kyle Lowry, Lowry had the same offensive struggles early in his career

Killian Hayes no IMPROVEMENT HIS SHOOTING

You failed to mention anything about Davions' defensive prowess, and then you said the kings bench is awful outside of monk? That's an asinine statement.

I see all this talk about Killian Hayes from the pistons and the coach not wanting him yet when they played the magic this year I saw he was one of their best players. It's weird cause he's not bad.

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