They're barely even trying at this point :( 

Zombicide western : "We won't do native-americans zombies because that would be offensive" Zombicide white death : "Mongolian zombies and necromancers ! Gengis Khan Abomination !"

I’m already looking forward to the pirates themed zombicide that I am predicting will come next.

The stretch goals really seem to diverge from the theme of the core box as well. Almost like they started with an eastern European/Slavic/Viking mix and then at some point in the process decided they needed to add a bunch of Chinese mythology. It wouldn't be so bad if the Asian characters were dressed for the cold to match the rest, but they really seem out of place. I would actually be tempted to use them more with Black Plague and Green Horde, and use some of the BP/GH survivors that are wearing furs or cloaks in White Death. Just seems like they kind of got wires crossed on their overall design with this one.

We have Black Plague and really enjoy playing it, we back Undead & Alive have enjoyed playing the Western theme. Never felt the urge to back Marvel and am not inspired to back this one. Am looking at picking up some of the Black Plague expansions on the used market.

White Death, more like White Noise. I wish that they had had the creativity and courage to make something like a Vampicide and work out a way to do several building floors.

You are 100% spot on in your take on this recent campaign. The problem can be easily summed up by a single word: complacency. When a company becomes too big for its boots (or britches), laziness sets in, creating campaigns like White Death. The company has reached a point where it will still turn a sizeable profit regardless of what project it puts out there. It is a trait prevalent with all big-brand names spanning almost all forms of consumer products. It is frustrating, but it is what it is, and it can only be changed once something comes along and throws a spanner in their complacent machinery. I'm sure White Death will be a good game, but what the campaign page says to the backer is, "You want it? Then buy it. Otherwise, move along". Complacency is a terrible characteristic of business practice.

from the teaser trailer I was expecting this to be Zombicide crossed with B-Sieged. So I was a little disappointed to see it's just based on a wall that just cuts through the map. I'm hoping there will be more tiles to be build a full castle/ fort that can be attacked from all sides (but I guess that would need a huge map)

I love that you're a metal head. I saw Lacuna Coil open up for Megadeth years ago in Chicago. Great show

The shipping killed it, £37 sterling from the UK hub for the core game. Maladum all in with all add ons is £10 sterling, with other hubs around the world offering almost the same equivalent shipping, shipping crisis? Bullshit crisis!

Totally agree! I was very surprised to see how sparse the campaign page was when I backed.

Zombicide is the Madden of board games.

How would Okko Chronicles - cycle of earth be as a alternative? It is also winter Asian zombie themed but with a consistent art direction and way cheaper on top.

Looks like someone at CMON saw the Okko Chronicles: Cycle of Earth KS campaign and decided to try and do the exact same thing. Funny thing is, Okko Chronicles: CoE does it better, and it's currently open for late pledges.

I backed this because I love Dynasty Warriors. Those minis are worth it by themselves.

man I really hoped this would be my first ZC, but this is a hard sell. Looks like CMON played to much The Great Wall from AR.

It is good for folks that dont have black plague / green horde as their first fantasy zombicide

People are focusing too much on the animals but can be justified by the fantasy aspect of it. The issue to me is that they intentionally named this white death knowing people would expect game of thrones theme and we got Asia heavy. Like the heroes might be cool for their own game but they don't fit in the BP/GH theme, hell they don't even fit in the white death theme. I'm a Zombicide simp and even though I went all in Marvel Zombies I was ready to back this one but the minis have really made me reconsider if I need another zombicide.

Oh it looks like a japanophile Furrie edition - rolls eyes.

okay yes, I see what you mean... and I kind of agree, but actually.... I would label this the worst zombicide ever (for me personally!) due to the following: Oops, they'll do it again - i.e. bury me under a mountain of survivors and the casual abomination, instead of upgrading the components that will hit the table on a regular basis: the regular zombies (alternate sculpts), tokens (3d terrain, chips, etc), and some cool items.... since green horde I really dislike this bording at outright disgust (the worst yet was massive darkness 2) then, well okay, this is very personal taste: the theme is not my cup of tea. This feels like running after the OKKO band wagon. if there would be a pledge tier without stretch goals - at this moment, I would happily do it. Why am I pledging at all? Good question. I want the tiles, the rules, the initial survivors including lacuna coil and the guardsmen and probably the initial zombies. With a little luck I will be able the sell all the stretch goal junk minis to someone who will cherish them and lessen the amount of money I invest in this. But, there is even an increasing chance I will drop put of this entirely. They develop the zombicide franchise in a direction I just don't like.

challenge accepted :D! The Theme for the stretch goals was Asian themed thus the heavy focus on asian characters. The abominations/zombies/monsters are not just some angels, but much rather taken from the asian mythology. Amaterasu is thus not just some angel. So yeah, thtat example was not accurate :) HOWEVER, I do agree on the rest.

We thought we weee getting Game of thrones Zombicide and instead we got Kung Fu panda Zombicide! Easy pass for me…

The thing with quackalope is I can't see wtf they're doing in their playthroughs. Compare that to like rolling solo or rhado or something.

Thanks for the Townsfolk Tussle reminder. Passed the first time around - won’t make that same mistake again. Just backed!

Did my usual $1 pledge… I’ll decide later once everything has been revealed (including actual shipping)

How about: 1- Post Pandemic Economy 2_ Asian theme that might turn off some return backers 3- Overabundance of previous Zombicdes.

Thanks for the coverage! Totally awesome.

That barbarian guy you mentioned in 18:55 is not Mongolian, that'a Lapu-lapu, a Filipino hero. I get the argument about the "cold not in mind", but I'm not sure if he could have been recycled from another IP. Researching a Filipino hero for an Asian-themed Zombicide seems legit to me. Although, yeah, he's shirtless because he's a Southeast Asian character. There's no snow here. So we should put a coat on that mini?

Looks like a lotta fun!!

Yup, they totally phoned this one in. Not surprising. Just disappointing. Then again, I'm not a fan of CMON, after their abysmal treatment of backers and their inexcusable shipping prices.

Great take KOA. Here I am the dude over here who has never played or seen MD2 but have heard of it. Now I see the direct comparisons and you are spot on. As for the game, it looks really really fun. But for the guy like me who has all of BP/GH & UDA with some Marvel Zombies coming. When is it to much? So of course I will do my normal approach. Drink a bunch of bourbon when pledge manager is about to close and hope there is money in the bank account.

Woah that is crazy to not have an original game in quite a while.

It is funny to consider them passing unused assets on to other games. Reminds me of those documentaries on 80's toys that saw star wars figure parts retrofitted for other toy lines and retheming established Japanese robot toys for the US market.

I feel your assessment is very accurate. Back in Green Horde I believe there was color text in some of the character bios and maybe even one of the instruction manuals that alluded to all the survivors gathering in Elven Kingdoms for a last stand against the Necromancers. I thought that would be the next chapter giving us a nice trilogy ending the series. It looks like however they've taken assets from game ideas like an Asian Zombicide, much like their Western theme slapped fantasy Zombicide on it along with some anamorphic characters to make it seem more D&D and hopefully make it sell better. So instead of a three part series they've pried in another "Chapter" hoping to gain extra from the fantasy brand. My thoughts. P.S. Really enjoy your channel .

This just seems like they are combining Indian, Chinese, and some Japanese fantasy all into one. Weirdly all the random soup of things makes me want to almost back it.

I also detest CMON's business practices and Kickstarter exclusive bullshit, but their games are among my favourites. Best in class for Ameritrash, imo. I just wish they offered storage solutions to organize the million minis and expansion boxes

CMON fucked up because I am still trying to gather resources to max out my Marvel United backing, since I have a kid now who's into superheroes, and they launched this. The problem is if KS completionists like me had to not only purchase everything for Marvel United (and I will likely miss a few things that I'll have to pay outrageous amounts; like 150 dollars for a four mini expansion) and are still in the process of paying for MU. Now, me as a Z:BP completionist already has to pony up more cash prior to the end of this campaign? That's bonkers if you want a large customer base that purchases all of your products. Lesson from this? CMON needs to space out their MAJOR campaigns. Where a major campaign is a product that they intend to produce endless expansions for. I feel slighted as a CMON loyalist by punishing me for my extra-loyalism of onboarding a second entire line of products.

That's one nice thing about Marvel Zombies. That they clearly didn't use recycled art from previous games. You can't argue they used recycled art from Marvel United either, because the art styles were obviously very different.

Personally I'd say Amaterasu (the one with wings) fits the theme as she's a Japanese goddess (supposedly the original ancestor of the imperial bloodline) and there's a lot of Japanese stuff here (kinda surprised that with the theme we haven't seen a yuki-onna yet).

As always super provocative headline followed by totally tame coverage

YES! Lacuna Coil is amazing... Heav is a Lie is quite good, but i really love Trip the Darkness.

I'm loving this new zombicide kick so far

Great shirt! Still holding out hope waiting for a DBZ miniatures board game!!!

I don't like the art direction in White Death, much like I didn't like it in MD2. Don't like the anime style. Don't like the furries. Not interested in the Chinese theme. The entire thing feels very lazy and just a cash grab.

Zombicide was my gateway game too...😅

No arguments at all on the issues with how the KS is listed. I agree with you and they clearly have this aimed at milking the current owners of Zombicide. The mention about the winged characters being leftover designs from MD2 I don't think has any merit. Amaterasu is the Japanese Goddess of the sun. Wings with eyes on them is lore based. Tengu also has wings. Many creatures in lore have wings these are clearly lore accurate (Or close) to what they should be. Google search is your friend. The fact that some of the heroes are not cold weather doesn't bother me either. The Hindu/Malay/Japanese characters for example need to look lore accurate more than fit the setting. Also how do you know there won't be an expansion that takes place in a warmer climate added later. I am hoping for a full standalone expansion for Japan like Darkside for Invader was.

Another great, informative video, brother. I was going to get this new Zombicide and Dungeon Saga Origins, but I’m just getting Origins now. Mostly because of the state of the economy, but also that CMON shipping price surprise the like to throw at us. 😂 Keep up the great work.

That is a pretty common thing to do, come up with ideas or concept art, including for a specific purpose, but not use it for the project you started with, but put it on the back burner to use for a new project. Even using those ideas to start a new project. I don't think it is a bad thing to do that. I know that Yoshi from Mario and a lot from various The Legend Of Zelda games.

Have every one but the super hero Zombicide. Was excited to see they went back to Black Plage when the KS started. Passed when I saw it was not a mesh with the other two. It was Far East rather then European.

My biggest problem with this campaign is not being able to buy the add-ons without pledging for the base game. I want the TMNT for BP/GH but I do t want the base of this game.

Never played it. Campaign did not explain how to play. I have been curious, but this campaign did not satisfy my curiosity about how it plays, so I passed. Also, I don’t find the “shipping” cost realistic (extremely overpriced), but just a money grab that may increase once the pledge manager is launched. My lack of trust about “shipping” costs is my current reason to walk away from all CMON campaigns. Trudvang Legends was my only true back and I got a refund, less “fees”. $1 pledged Cthulhu Death May Die but didn’t pull the trigger. For me, CMON is something I consider buying at retail only or secondhand.

UK Shipping and VAT on a base pledge is going to be nearly the same cost (~100USD) as the base pledge. Quite glad this is not that appealing to me (also, haven't even taken the shrink wrap off Green Horde yet).

You had me until you made your comics analogy. The comics told really good stories first, and when the gender changed from someone like Thor to Jane Foster there was years of buildup that made sense when the mantle changed. Might apply more to MCU versions I agree

I would guess that they are selling zombicide to the same people. Looking at backer #s, the outliers are Green Horde and Marvel Zombicide. But the backer numbers are the same by and large (For Zombicide) . I imagine that there are people with a ton of Zombicide sitting in a closet. I'm curious to see backer #'s on this campaign

this was going to be my intro into zombicide, but the pledges seemed just meh. so I'll just put my money on the thinning veil instead. great video btw!

I'm not as off put about the Asian themed stuff they've added, as I am that the art style and whatnot almost screams (as you pointed out) Massive Darkness 2, my little theory is that MD2 was originally going to be very heavy with Asian folklore, but instead decided to go with christian religion (or however you'd word that), and the dropped ideas were recycled for Zombicide.

I really got into board games after the first fantasy Kickstarters, and picked up a lot of the promos after. Was excited to be able to back one. I love the fantasy setting, and appreciate the Mongolian, Chinese, Japanese characters. But the page is pretty lackluster and the art style is a little off... I'll still back, because the new mechanics interest me, but was a little disappointed with what was presented at the start.

I thought this is going to be more about the gameplay of White Death, though I can't argue with a lot of your points regarding the campaign itself. I also have to agree with you and others who have criticized the mismatch of theme which is blatantly obvious and quite irritating. However, I'm intrigued by the castle defense style of this one, which is why I was looking for some opposite viewpoints on the gameplay to help me decide... because in the end, how many Zombicide games can I have? I backed this one at a $1, so eventually I'll need to decide.

Also your video honestly wasn't that negative. Heck, it was actually very positive and is to CMON's benefit! The message I feel like most people would walk away with after watching you, is, "Don't be fooled by the crappy low effort campaign page. Zombicide is a great game!" So if anything, your video was positive in its own way!

I played the trailer and my wife and some said “Buy it buy it!!!” so I’m backing it cause my family is why I play games. That being said so far not super excited about the campaign.

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Hoping the stretchgoals add something to give context for the Asian inspired survivors lack of clothing. Though having played Dynasty Warriors there are levels in the snow and they are clothed that way still.

I'm so burnt out on Zombicide I'm 100% happy with my mass market copy of Heroes Resistance. I've sold my undead or alive, Green Horde, and my Invader stuff because it's just too big and bulky for the gameplay experience. HR is a small box and still scratches the same itch for 4 players. The only way I will support another Zombicide is if they make a Pirate Zombicide. Simply because I've wanted one since Black Plague.

The games I see most for sale at used game markets are zombicide

With all of Invader and the Marvel one hopefully arriving later this year, I cannot see justifying another full Zombicide game, even one that looks cool.

I just checked out the Kickstarter and came here to see what you said. To those who think it's thematically incoherent, there is one region I could see basing this off of: Siberia. Unfortunately, there aren't really indigenous Siberian influences yet and probably won't be. A shame, because a zombie mammoth--whose preserved remains are found throughout the region and who figure prominently in much indigineous folklore--would be awesome.

My biggest critique of CMON is something you mentioned at the end: original IP games. I wish CMON would make more original games again, not from an IP.

You going to come over and play with me when it arrives?

They’re just milking the cash cow for all it’s worth.

If you want to see a compagny that just stopped making original title games, look at Daily Magic Games. They just put the name ''Valeria'' to every mecanic they can find. I love Valeria Card Kingdom, but at this point, they use the name every game. Their last original game was in 2019... They even had a KS for 3 differrents games named Valeria...

Not for me, I will stick to Black Plague - this has a TON of replayability already. I am all for the shiny new stuff but blimey CMON knows how to milk an IP for money.

@TheKingOfAverage can you please do a video on black box games and their adventure in neverland campaign?

I just want the lacuna coil heroes.

I am not feeling this Zombicide, and I have everything Zombicide to date. I’ll probably keep my base pledge but only because I can use BP and GH heroes with it. Not feeling the heroes in this newest iteration at all so far.

Did you just see the oriental nun samurai? Someone had too much magic mushrooms…

Also note they hired to the biggest hype man in the hobby…a CLEAR SIGN to STAY AWAY.

Michael, this sounds like one of them "I'm posting negative stuff to get more views because that works better than my real fanboy positive feelings" I applaud your business saviness. 😂

it's a bit early to be giving crap reviews when they haven't even finished releasing the stretch goals or supplimentry stuff yet. it's comatible with Black Plague/green Horde, lots of new sculpts..it's going to be fun.

I wish I backed the original Black Plague. It’s really weird to include bunny people.

After I saw the hodgepodge of art styles and the overall setting, I cancelled my pledge. Just not my cup of tea.

Masters of the Universe is one of CMON’s games that’s also great and feels like a lot of passion went into it. But Zombicide feels so lazy and lacking heart now, especially this one.

Plus, they only have 1 channel showing the gameplay. Quackalope seems like a nice guy but he’s not anyone I watch (especially for KDM- bra Mithra rocks!). They should have a few more channels showing gameplay

I'm sure they will make a massive darkness 2 Crossover. The chinese SG don't really fit the winter theme with the lack of cloth but yes I will buy it. I like Zombicide.

There’s a reason the share price is in the toilet.

I've skipped every zombicide campaign (first I could have backed was 2e). Got real close to backing marvel but the shipping plus vat soured me. I got hyped for this one cause they teased it as follow to black plague which is supposed to be the best. But what the hell is this 😂 the mix of minis feels weird, I expect winterfell we get great wall of China in Japan with furries

I get your point, it’s a smart criticism

This game's got more furries than Disney's Robin Hood.

Zombicide

Will it crossover with MD2? Like BP and GH.

I think this was made for returning customers. I mean, why would new boardgamers wait for this stuff, when they can go into a store, and buy Green Horde? That’s a zombicide fantasy board game that they can play right now.

I’m not that into the theme. I’m supposed to believe all these characters are from the city of Wintergrad???? Most of these survivors don’t even look like they would last in the cold winter for more than 5 minutes. I was really hoping for something that would have blended well with BP and GH. I wish they just branded it as Zombicide East Asia…perhaps something catchy like ZB: Red Curse.

Agreed. A lot of the characters, etc. look like concepts made for a different game and are thus thematically subpar (IMO). This would be my first Zombicide but it just doesn't have a consistent "Frozen North" theme that I was looking forward to (there are soooooo many Heroes that are dressed for the beach!!!) I'm one foot out the door already... and it's only been a day... and I shouldn't be.

I have to admit, Black plague is my favorite Zombicide game and when I saw this I said nope, it just looks rubbish.

I haven't looked at the page yet but I did want a Zombicide Black Death reprint and was prepared to settle for this when the news released. I am going to pledge for this but I really hope this won't be CMON's Anastyr or Trudvang 2.0.

As always there will be tons of painted minis in the updates

I agree, CMON is adding less game details to the KS page. Most of the information is in the update pages, which is not apparent from KS.

Who need this game? I don't get it. Do people really are hot about the xth Zombicide Game and really want to play it? I have 1 to get People into Boardgames, ok, I would understand 2, to have 2 different Themes, but why more? I mean, do thos people also buy 10 different monoply because it is so much different if you play darth vader or pokemon than normal meeples?

I have a very hard time listening to . I know it's personally me, but never having met him in person and only going off the videos he has produced or seeing on other channels, I just can't listen to him. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard combined with rude talking over the other people... At any rate, I did watch about 40 minutes of the gameplay video and from their commentary, this is one of the hardest, most difficult zombicide games produced. It will require strategy and adapting to which monsters spawn. Possibly even losing due to bad luck with random cards. So, I really want to see Dive Tower's gameplay video or others to get a better idea! I don't understand the success that had had. Again, I know this is my own personal view at a sliver of who he is in real life and am glad there are other content creators out there. I just wish they also got opportunities to play the prototype game before the campaign finishes.

CMON is big enough . . . They shouldn't need to use Kickstarter to drive their business any longer

I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for going against the general theme of this video. Amaterasu is not an Angel. She is the Goddess of the sun in Asian (Japanese) culture. So I think she does fit into the general theme of Eastern mythology the game is trying to portray. That's just my two cents

its zombicide asia edition and if word spreads to china they will get a bunch new customers. hopefully more as they lose here.