@@VestedUTuber They have been working at trying to rebuild their customer base. HPI has a history of making some of the finest stuff out there but frivolous lawsuits crushed the company and garnered bad feelings when parts became nearly impossible to get for their current line up.
Well, I've got to say that it makes me happy to know that HPI is at least Paying Attention to review and comparison videos! That gotta count for something!
They understand marketing for sure! They just told millions of people they stand behind their products, and for them price I bet they sold at least a few models for the cost of a motor.
HPI handled it good i think also, HPI could otherwise done as traxx and send a seze and disist letter threthening as they usually do when they feel badly represented by youtubers.
I saw the original comparison video, I thought it was very good. It's fantastic that huge RC manufacturers like HPI watch your videos and are prepared to get in touch with you to correct any faults or problems. Thanks for the update Phil, great video. 👍🏻
I’ve been working with them on stuff anyway, so they had my contact info. But they do watch a lot of stuff from all creators, they referenced a few videos from others when I was last speaking to them. So it’s good to know they are watching 👌
@@tomley_rc Yeah it's great to know at least some manufacturers are paying attention and HPI are one of the larger manufacturers and although I'm not really a HPI fanboy (I only have 1 HPI and that's a vintage Touring Car) they have definitely caught my attention recently with thier new models and things like contacting you and listening to the customer. It's a massive thumbs up from me. And while I'm here your videos are amazing mate and I genuinely look forward to them, So thorough, so honest, well presented, funny and and all that good stuff. Well done sir. 👍🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻💥
Can’t help but think that anyone watching this now that happens to have one of the “duff motors” in theirs without even realising but thinking “THIS IS SLOW” is now going…OY HPI…you owe me a proper motor !!! 😂
@@tomley_rc Absolutely 👍🏻👌🏻 Bought my 7 year old son an Arrma Gorgon for Christmas…he really loves it 😎 Thinking of getting another one for myself and doing a 3s brushless conversion 🤪
The Arrma George Costanza still would be the winner. That ST version of the HPI would be another pick. Nice work in going back and giving HPI another spin.
My only issue with the motor you got is it was hand picked to be sent for you to try. Im sure it was tested and one of the best you could possibly get. Curious if any of the normal stock motors will have the same kind of performance. This is the same reason I don't like videos of products the manufacturer hand picks and sends for review. Good for you though giving them a second chance as it could have just been a fluke motor. . Either way great video and keep up the good work Phil.
Nice, new motor makes a huge difference. Nice to see HPI back with entry level RTR. Wish I had something like this when I started RC in 1984. My first rig was a Tamiya Hornet with the old silver can, FM radio and mechanical speed control. I remember you were doing well if your battery lasted 8 minutes.
My HPI has been a frustratingly good time. As a RC company they need to get relevant in the electric racing world. Make us a platform that can compete with Traxxas. All of the Jumpshot line struggles against their counterparts. They need to make a good halo platform that is adjustable and relevant to a few classes of racing.
Fun fact - Stampede body fits the Jumpshot. I couldn't find a replacement body for my Jumpshot so I tried my Stampede body and it fit. Much cheaper and easier to find a Traxxas body here in Canada.
Thanks for the update on the HPI Jumpshot. It did seem a little slow from the original speed runs. Good on HPI for testing and changing out the motor. I'm sure the cynics amongst us would say HPI sent back a juiced-up motor??? Would be good to have people chime in with speed runs of their Jumpshots to confirm the new speeds are legit out of the box. That or maybe pick up another Jumpshot from a local hobby shop to test?? Can't wait for the incoming shootout vids of the Quantum 2 v Big Rock v MT10 v???
I'm glad you're willing to revisit rc's that didn't do well in a review when a company says our product should do better. I don't like the lack of QC HPI seems to have with their budget rc cars. QC should be good across the board not just on $500 kits and above.
I can imagine the "shocked Pikachu" expressions at the HPI dealer's face when that slowness dropped.I'm still standing by my opinion on sealed can motors with fans in them. Be it Traxxas 20t Stinkers and 12t Tinderboxes or a myriad of noname Chinese units... Never had a Mabuchi or Johnson that's been more irritatingly slow than the other 🤭
100%, Mabuchi/Johnson FTW. My first Traxxas purchase (bandit 2409? I think, Mechanical ESC, old square body) came with a 20T Stinker, and it was much slower on the same battery than my Tamiya DF-02 Rising Storm with stock Mabuchi 540 and TEU-101BK.....
Chinese sealed tin motors are extremely hit and miss across the board, when the Traxxas 12T 550 first came out many of the motors overheated and crapped themselves with the standard gearing. Sometimes they were gutless from the start and other times you would get 2-3 trouble free runs before they started slow leaking the magic smoke, overall around 50% of them were unsatisfactory, I believe the main issue was weak brush spring(s).
or as i seen down at the track that a slight used titan 550 start to scream like a pig that the bearing that is dry got a tiny bit of dust and got ruined to the point the engine got scraped eavn if it got some lube to mend the problem.
So, all these so-called "12 Turn" RTR motors are really just the exact same motor, the Johnson RS550. Thing is, there's two versions of this motor, and the 12 Turn ones are the 6v rated ones while the old "Titan 550" motors that Traxxas used to have in the E-MAXX were the 12v ones. Thing is, there's no real way to tell which is which outside of testing, as the 6v ones are significantly faster but somewhat less torquey than the 12v ones. So it's possible that HPI might have gotten a 12v motor in one of their shipments rather than a 6v one, and accidentally put it in your Jumpshot MT. I use the 12v motors in my 12lb combat robot, they're REALLY powerful but you need to run them at higher voltages to get any sort of speed out of them. Kernel Panic runs four of them on 4S through 16:1 planetary gearboxes and hits around 15-16mph, which is blisteringly fast for a 12lb combat robot. They actually don't run that hot, even though in robot combat they spend a lot of time with a lot more load on them, constantly accelerating and decelerating and often slipping and/or stalling, not to mention the interior of a combat robot is typically enclosed and not good for heat dissipation. As a side note, this means that any brushed RTRs are going to perform very similarly, with their speed being determined solely by weight and gearing.
Would that have made a difference in the winner? I think so but still being the fact that it had the quality out of the box makes me wonder how many other trucks had that problem?
I started with an HBX. Wanted more, bought a rustler VXL and.... it's fine but it just didn't do it for me. It's controlled, neat, predictable and fast, it's easy. Bought a Jumpshot MT Flux and i was just an HPI nut at that point. Now that they are doing this it just makes me love HPI more. The HPI tires aren't very good in wet conditions though and i seem to break all HPI servo's within days. But it's fun as can be those jumpshots.
Excellent update. Its cool they took care of it. I dont always watch the videos, but when i do i watch all the way to the end and comment for the algorithm....lol. Thanks for doing giveaways, i hope it goes to people that want to get into the hobby.
I haven't owned an HPI since their nitro Rush. I'd buy their RC's, especially their road cars, but I dont invest in anything brushed. I mean damn, re-release one of your older RS4's, I'd preorder, and i dont believe in preordering anything.
I wonder if they bench tested a bunch and sent you the best one they had, or modified it slightly. Would have been a fairer test if you has gone and brought a new replacement spare motor from a shop.
That went a lot better with a properly working motor in it. That is the standard motor HPI puts in their trucks right? Actually, you should have feigned offense and said the only way HPI could fix it would be by sending you a 5b Flux kit.
Good on HPI for coming through on this one, I wonder if they read the comment as well as watching the videos. Looks ike a good performer now that's for sure 1mph is nothing in difference anyway.😊😊😊😊.
I found a set of good tyres for my E-revo they ballon something terrible at 50mph but have not split or come unglued yet. No maker name on them. I'll get some details for you when I get home after my nightshift.
i don't know if the tail wind you had on the original speed test would have given it 1 mph to make it level with the other two but i remeber you comenting on it being strong. that said at 23 it is still 1 mph slower than the other two so i don't think performance or speed scores can really be changed but the VFM would have definatly changed and swapped places with the arrma which would have had both on 13 points.
Oh man that black rock for the Feb raffle! Please sweet baby jesus let me win that as thes the rig ive wanted for a long time. 1 ticket and a dream baby!
KT does plenty of videos upping the voltage on vehicles and they become uncontrollable. It's like back in the 60's when guys would supercharge corvettes etc and it wouldn't make them any faster because they'd run them on stock tires....I read an article on a guy who wanted a 64 couple to look stock but he got 900 hp. He could be beat by a kid on a moped because he had to feather the throttle otherwise he'd melt the tires. When you up the voltage I think you have to adjust the gearing up and that would give you a higher top end plus be more controllable.
Hi just found yr channel it’s fab,though new to this could you please do a lingo video explain g what’s what?also as said new was looking at the bandit or ms10,are these the same models as advertised on Ali express as they seem so cheap as said great channel
Hmmm , bit embarrassing for a company that's trying to reboot itself and be taken more seriously in the modern RC market . Says a bit about QC if they can't even make sure a review unit is right before sending it out. What chance have us punters got ?
You think they have time to check over every car that comes off the production line lol. And I’d say it’s the opposite… they could have not wanted to sort the problem out 🤷🏼♂️
Theres always lemons no matter how expensive. At least HPI took the time to reach out and fix the issue. That alone says more to me than anything else.
@@tomley_rc nah I get that Phil, never said anything about going over every model with a fine tooth comb, what I'm saying is that if I were sending out a test unit to an RC review channel with a good bit of reach , you'd better believe I'd at least check the one that's going to be judged by hundreds of thousands of potential customers. Complacency bit them in the arse unfortunately!
@@rab.. it wasn't a test unit, it was 'off the shelf'. I'd say it would be wrong to check over stuff for us reviewers. You guys want real world reviews, not 'special' versions that are not the same quality as what you would buy
Well of course it would have changed the points because it would have been able to perform just as good if not better than the other ones because it would have had the right power system
Every RU-vid video now has over 5 minutes of ads before you can see if you want to watch the video then you get 1:30 before another 2 minutes of ads. Sorry I cant watch your video or anybody elses. I dont get it? are they trying to kill themselves? What is going on here?
Yeah, RU-vid can be a little 'Ad' happy sometimes. I mean this video is under 8mins, so there shouldn't be adverts during the video. I can't control the ones at the start, other than switching them off... and then I wouldn't make any money... and I'd love to give you free content, but the world doesn't work like that I'm afraid
