1. Diamond Diary (film cue mix with rain effects) 00:00 2. Gags and Fairy Tales (film cue mix) 11:20 3. Life Vision (film cue mix) 12:55 4. Habeas Corpus (film cue mix - variant of Scrap Yard) 16:44 5. The Fifth Alarm (film cue mix - variant of Diamond Diary) 18:52 6. The Break In (film cue_remix of Thru Metamorphic Rocks)* 23:54 7. Beach Scene (extended film cue mix) 32:00 8. Dr. Destructo 1 (film cue mix) 39:11 9. Car Lot Ambush (film cue_remix of Thru Metamorphic Rocks)* 41:25 10. Back to Work Frank (film cue mix_variation on Kiew Mission intro from Exit) 44:32 11. Dr. Destructo 2 (extended remix of soundtrack album and film cue versions) 46:51 12. Confrontation (film cue mix - Craig Safan composition. Guitarist unknown)† 51:43 Here is what TD member Johannes Schmoeling had to say about why their original ending music was not used for Confrontation. "“As an example for the shootout scene, he (Mann) brought us a piece from Pink Floyd’s The Wall. I think The Wall had just come out. It was this gorgeous, incredible track called ‘Comfortably Numb,’ with an insane guitar solo by David Gilmour. For him that was the music for the ending, the shootout. We knew, of course, that the atmospheric parts wouldn’t be too hard for us, or the emotional sequences either. But for the ending, we knew it would be all but impossible to match the incredible sense of drama Gilmour puts into his solo, and, of course, the composition by Pink Floyd. We certainly could have created music for the ending, and of course we did. But I think Michael Mann wasn’t happy with it and ended up looking elsewhere."
@@RobertSoer Craig is a soundtrack composer, not the guitarist. He hired sessions musicians to play on the track, but I have never been able to find out who actually played the guitar
Beach scene sounds pretty much like the official movie score. What I never managed to find out is what kind of synth they used for the main lead (which could have been a singer's vocal part). It starts out as a pure synth sounding sound, with bending of the pitch wheel, but later in it start sound more and more like an electric guitar. Did they use both and mixed them together? Anyone knows? Would been great to know what synth they used for that sound.
I came here after listening to GTA V soundtracks, and for a few minutes, I forgot that it's from 1981 film, not GTA. They were so ahead of time, their music really is timeless.
When l was 10 years old l I snuck into the theater to see the movie sorcerer love the Movie but that's where I found out about Tangerine dream's music and Became a Big fun of there music l remember buying the Sorcerer sound track at my local Kmart Store and they only had on 8 track l was only 10 and it was with in walking distance from that point l would ask for music and not toys for Christmas and birthdays and would ask for Rock Music and Disco yes Disco Music but from Europe and Tangerine Dream l love There Music one Day l was at the Movie theater and they show the preview of the Movie Thife and at the of it said Music by Tangerine Dream and l was there on the opeing day Loved the Movie most of all the thief soundtrack I was 15 years old then I'm now 56 years old and still own still own the original soundtrack or Record and Cd my favorite Soundtrack still soceror but for me this is Thief still their best work . Great movie By Michael Mann and awesome Soundtrack by Tangerine Dream.!!!! It's good to be old !!!
I cannot thank you enough for posting this. It is my favorite soundtrack of all time, and it’s one of my favorite albums of all time, and it’s the album that turned me onto tangerine dream. Thank you so much. I owe you one.
i've been playing this album on repeat for weeks on end. There's nothing like it. I live for that stuttered arpeggio synth sound in Diamond Diary. And how cool is "The Break In"? Man.
Some of James Caan's best work. Leo's (Robert Prosky) first film. Carl's (Dennis Farina) first film, as well. The guy who played the "greasy cop" was a real jewel thief.
Great, I have the original album release of this I bought in 82. This one has some extra cuts (Thumbs Up). TD was and still is all top shelf professionalism.
Awesome! In my opinion, Thief is one of T.Dream’s coolest soundtracks! It is upbeat and suspenseful, and is still distinctively analog in its many sonic textures. It has melody, progression and dynamics that build into soaring musical climaxes. I am glad someone was able to pull out the many pieces that were missing from the original soundtrack! I wrote to one of the DVD companies and told them they should issue Thief on DVD with an isolated score like The Bounty, which now has Vangelis unreleased, isolated score. Thanks for doing this! I am surprised they never released a Special Edition CD version with all of this material! I will bet that Edgar Froese would have done so if he knew it could have been recovered. I read an interview with him lamenting that many filmmakers never returned his master tapes and that some of his music scores have been lost forever. Some of these mixes sound better than those on the official soundtrack.
@@pressureworksI wouldn't be surprised if he had copies and they just got lost in the busyness of life or he just never expected that there would never be an interest for everything T. Dream ever recorded.
Mann wanted to use Pink Floyd's 'Comfortably Numb', but couldn't get the rights - so instead he asked TD do their own version, but they said no. Instead he asked Craig Safan to come up with something similar. It was recorded by Craig (on keyboards) and session players
He had made a TV movie previously to to this which is a bit awkward in the way that debuts usually are, but even then most directors don't make movies this good even on a second or even third try.
@@AaronAnayaIe. the 1979 'The Jericho Mile' with Peter Strauss as a a track and field runner in prison with Brian Dennehy, Roger E. Mosely, Billy Green Bush, Ed Lauter, Geoffrey Lewis (Juliette's dad), Richard Moll and William Prince, as well as a guy called Jimmy Coppola (❗) as "Action Jackson" (‼) who was an inmate who was stabbed to death aged 47, 5 years later (40 years ago March 19, 2024...); ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a7NOQFWpwIo.html
Beach Scene has a top notch guitar solo that rivals Comfortably Numb but hardly anyone in the guitar world knows about it which I find so funny and sad.
If you haven't heard it look for "Quichotte Part 2" from the album "Pergamon." Edgar unleashes an incredible brain-melting guitar solo that starts at about the 07:46 mark (but do listen from the start!) and continues, weaving in amongst the synths and sequencers, until the synths take over fully again at about the 16:00 mark; the transition from guitar to synth is a thing of wonder!
Defiantly worth it I always go to the end of the film to listen to that particular section of the end because confrontation doesn't sound the same on the track when you have the soundtrack but this is perfect much appreciated
Both versions are actually mixed from the same recording session, they are just chopped up and rearranged/mixed differently. Some sections are identical in both versions, but the film version has some part that were edited out of the album version, and vise versa. There are also some parts of the backing track in the film version that were repeated to make it longer, probably to fill the running time of the credits. There is actually a bad splice where one of those tape edits was done, which I fixed. I attempted to make a long mix that incorporated all the parts from each version, but the film version has a slap back echo that was added to it. The album version does not, and the difference was too jarring to make it work.
Thanks so much for this! Whenever anyone mentions how great "Drive" was, I point them to this film and 9 times out 10 they've never heard of it. "Drive" the poor-man's "Thief." "Drive" stole practically everything from "Thief."
Stole is such an ugly word. I would say there was some inspiration there. Nicholas' film is a very good film all by itself. Thief more than likely was an influence, which is rare in modern films today.
Fantastic work, sir. I saw this film in its original release in the theater in Anchorage, Alaska, in 1981. I bought the original record as soon as it was available and the CD as soon as it was released. I have chased various versions on RU-vid, trying to find an 'authentic' version of 'Confrontation.' What you have done here is just masterful and gives us what we all should have gotten over 40 years ago. I'm glad I waited.
I forgot how good and important to the movie this stuff is. I'm old as dirt. This is one of the best movies of it's genre, eva. Kudos to all involved. Top 'o the Mountain.
Watched this one again and had two thoughts: (1) I know it would've been impossible with his last name, but Jim Belushi would've done well to stick with serious/dramatic roles and (2) the reveal of Leo's viciousness is so good. His laugh in the bar scene with Frank takes on a completely different tone when you realize what a dark person he is.
Rest In Peace James Caan. He was masculinity incarnation in this masterpiece. Every man needs to watch this film at least once in their lifetime to understand what it is to be a real man.
@@ILikethePartWhen the film itself is about masculinity. How he got rob out of it when put in jail (it is implied that he was raped in jail) and how he tried to regain it by founding a family with Jessie. And also in how he got himself in a situation and deals with it like a man by basically going to war instead of running away like a coward. Michael Mann talked about this in many interviews and Q&A. Everything in the film from the cold and glacial cinematography and blue tint of the film to the poignant and iconic performance by Caan was meant to symbolize and in certain cases, teach masculinity.
@@JaquesCouteau My impression was that he had decided he would rather die than be raped by that guard, and when the guard came around Frank beat the guard within an inch of his life (which ultimately killed him), and that was what turned Frank's eighteen month sentence into eleven years.
I have this album and gave it to a polish guy at work to listen to and he couldn't believe the guitar music on this album he said it's unbelievable and an excellent piece of music.😊
I don’t get lost in the depths of the countless films showcasing the almighty and mythical masculine badass protagonist ever, really. But Caan’s portrayal of Frank checks all of those boxes for me in Thief; albeit doing so from new heights of visual storytelling entirely. I really can’t think more highly of Mann, Caan, Thief or the character of Frank when it’s all said and done and Leo receives exactly what he didn’t know he was asking for. To my great appreciation (and to my real life disdain), Thief also glistens with more than a few pro-social change themes. With Frank’s recanting of his nightmarish incarceration abuse, his being judged for his past during his successful future despite the small-time and nonviolent reasons for his imprisonment, as well as how even when death’s own grip has itself wrapped around a prisoner, (David/Okla: Willie Nelson’s character) who was also incarcerated for theft and not a nonviolent means, Frank still has to further play the system just to make sure his friend and father figure doesn’t meet a slow and cold fate behind bars surrounded by people he doesn’t love or understand. There’s rarely any hope for the countless people living similar lives behind bars every single day, let alone for those who are “lucky” enough to see themselves out. Yet when Frank gets out “the right way” after doing his time, his only means of coming out ahead of a low wage or petty theft base of employment is exactly what the opening sequence shows him doing, as well as his multiple business fronts for the sake of blending in amongst his earnings. It’s sad, depressing and unfair but remains remarkably real to this very day. Oh, and abolish the for-profit prison system in favor of social systems based in the means of recovery. And let’s do the same with the current state of law enforcement too while we’re at it.
Wow, a highly insightful and articulate comment. I bought the score because I was in a buy-all-TD albums mood; especially loved Diamond Diary/Burning Bar/Igneous, and watched the film because of it...but didn't like it when I rented it (almost 40 years ago.) As I read your comment, though, you reminded me of *why* I didn't like it. At the time, I was wholly ignorant of the prison-for-profit system, and *willfully* ignorant of the imprisonment of non-violent offenders (and what a tragedy/injustice THAT is.) Still, it seemed like Frank got emotional and angry when he should have kept negotiating. But you're right, he did the right thing, even when it cost him, and he made sure his choice didn't affect Jessie, leaving her with the baby and $410K. It was all such a tragedy in the end...which is probably why I didn't like it. But after reading your comment, I've realised I don't have to like it to find it valuable. Learn from what Frank did in spite of the betrayal. Don't hurt - or let BE hurt - the people you love, even if it costs. Take care of your parents and mentors (David/Okla.) Thanks for the wake-up call.
Another 😊😁 stellar soundtrack , It's always nice to hear great music 🎵 🎶🎵 from masters of space rock.47 years of hearing this stuff 😲😲 yeeeesaaaaa friends get high and Dream.
Considering that's what Craig Safan was asked to do, I'm sure he and the guitarist who played on that track definitely did! Here is what TD member Johannes Schmoeling had to say about why their original ending music was not used for Confrontation. "“As an example for the shootout scene, he (Mann) brought us a piece from Pink Floyd’s The Wall. I think The Wall had just come out. It was this gorgeous, incredible track called ‘Comfortably Numb,’ with an insane guitar solo by David Gilmour. For him that was the music for the ending, the shootout. We knew, of course, that the atmospheric parts wouldn’t be too hard for us, or the emotional sequences either. But for the ending, we knew it would be all but impossible to match the incredible sense of drama Gilmour puts into his solo, and, of course, the composition by Pink Floyd. We certainly could have created music for the ending, and of course we did. But I think Michael Mann wasn’t happy with it and ended up looking elsewhere."
Did you seek out the Arrow bluray with the additional disc that has an isolated score on it? I can't find it anywhere at a good price so I haven't listened to it yet, but I was hoping maybe you had lifted from that but it sounds like you didn't. Outstanding work! Thanks for sharing!
No. I was told by someone who owns it that the "isolated" score is just the official soundtrack, not the actual film score. I only heard that from one person though, so I would love it if someone else could confirm it. Arrow's original description said the isolated score was the music and FX track, which means everything except dialogue. If that is really what it was, then I would have had to remove all the sound effects, which are all over the music in the film. That's essentially what this youtube is.
Just an update to this. Someone who owns the Arrow BR confirmed the isolated music track also includes all the sound FX and foley work.. I got a copy and there is not single clean music cue on it. It's too bad because the stereo separation of the music is much better than what I was able to extract from the BR, but the sound FX ruin it.
@@johnbrunedigital1 It's worth it for that, if you can find a copy that is not nutty expensive. It's odd that they chose to have an isolated music track, but leave all the sound effects in. They probably do not have rights to release the music isolated, so maybe that was a workaround, but it was kind of pointless. They removed the dialogue, but many of the dialogue scenes have no music anyway.
The “Burn bar “ was inspired by Anthony Casso ( Lucesse crime family under boss ) who used it to great effect on many bank jobs 🔥 he acquired the blue prints to it & had it made ..his words , from his book ‘’Gaspipe” .
It's a long established tool for demolition work. You'll often see it used in ship scrapping, or in steel mills when a ladle full of hot steel goes cold, has to be dumped out (a "cupcake"), and then has to be cut up to be fed back into the furnace.
Mann wanted to use Pink Floyd's 'Comfortably Numb', but couldn't get the rights - so instead he asked TD do their own version, but they said no. Instead he asked Craig Safan to come up with something similar. It was recorded by Craig (on keyboards) and session players
I have never found an answer to that, but my guess is it's either the sustained chords in Diamond Diary ( 7:54 ) or possibly the guitar in the film version of Dr Destructo ( 39:34 ). The rest of the guitar work is clearly Edgar.
Mann wanted to use Pink Floyd's 'Comfortably Numb', but couldn't get the rights - so instead he asked TD do their own version, but they said no. Instead he asked Craig Safan to come up with something similar. It was recorded by Craig (on keyboards) and session players
I have no idea how you got your hands on this sly full film score composition, if you had to extract it. but, whoever did this work ............... I am eternally grateful. Thank you so very, very much, indeed. Cheers!
It is the best. Inspired by Friedkins Sorcerer 1977. Sorcerer was Tangerine Dream as well. Friedkin was Michael Manns main inspiration. These 2 films were what propelled me into the film industry at 18. GOAT
My Dad took me and my brothers to see this on a cold, rainy Sunday night on opening weekend. As soon as the UA sign turned on screen and the rain sounds/music started, we were all hooked. Probably, other than "Jaws", was one of the most profound films as a child that we walked out of completely blown away...one of my top 10 films ever.
In 1987, I used to use Diamond Dairy as a timer from my work to my friends house where we would chill out and smoke weed together. I got it down to where I showed up at his door and the music stopped. True 1980's story:)
So many great moments in this soundtrack. Examples - the hanging solo entrance in Scrap Yard, the brilliant ratcheting bass sequence used throughout, the big mood changing filter sweeps, the perfection of the layering in Diamond Diary, etc etc. A very very under-rated album.
This soundtrack, along with Sorcerer are my favorite soundtracks. These interpretations of Edgar Froese are incredible. You can close your eyes, and still watch the movies!
I don't how or where you got this but I have been looking for this for years, hell, decades! Especially the movie version of Confrontation by Craig Safan. Thank you so much for this! 👍👍
Kit has done gods work. Actually recreates the true soundtrack with cues from isolated tracks of the film and cues from the soundtrack that is normally released. Kudos to you!
My dad introduced me to this group when I was 7 I thought wow I'm 47 now, and Dad is long gone, but I continue listening! Thanks, Edgard and all tangerine dreamer, for all these incredible melodies
Btw, fans of the film might be curious to know Thief had a strong connection to Scorsese’s Casino via John Santucci (Sgt Urizzi) & ‘Milwaukee Phil’ Alderisio (Leo-Robert Prosky) more here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N8EPINvQ9MA.html
**God’s work “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” -John 14:6 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” -John 3:16 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.” -John 15:5 Jesus loves you. Make it an amazing day
James said as much as he was proud of the Godfather, Thief was his best moment in film, he had the most favorable time filming Thief and it really was the work he was most proud of.
A longslide target .45 customized by Hoag. Caan said in an interview that he would have kept that pistol if he could...it just all-around felt "right".
I was 16 when I saw this movie in ‘81. My dad and I loved it and didn’t take long for me to accumulate just about every cassette TD produced. My dad thought that was pretty cool and enjoyed the music as well. James Caan is an epic icon to me. Rogers Park is where they blew up that house behind the high school and that’s where my girlfriend is from. Found out after James passed that we had the same b-day of March 26th. The end
Note the oppositional use of music in Mann's Thief and Heat; the end scene in the former is unscored until the first shot, after which 'Confrontation' plays to and through the end credits, whereas the robbery scene in the latter is introduced by a repetitive, clock-like cue until the first shot, after which the firefight itself is unscored.
Michael Mann wanted to use CN for the end of Thief but could not get the rights, so he hired Craig Safan to basically compose a sound alike. The chords and tempo are very similar to the outro solo from CN.
So much less "O say, can you see?" (diamond diary) than the cd version! More moving! More Zen (Frank's Philosophy). Similar in quality to the immediacy mode in Life Vision
Anyone think Frank could've taken Leo and his crew out at the end without having to destroy all his personal possessions (house, bar, dealership, etc.)? I can see having to get his wife and kid to safety but did he have to liquidate all his assets in the process? I guess since everything technically was in Leo's name, Frank would eventually lose it all anyway to inheritance amongst Leo's family. Plus, in the chance Frank doesn't survive his mission, why leave Leo anything?
I took it as a form of symbolism. Frank knows he can never go back to his formal life after taking out a mafia boss so he destroys it (Dr. Destructo). Tuesday Weld talks about living in Bogota. They're both no strangers to moving around. I always thought they probably started a new life together in another country.
A great soundtrack for a great film. Thanks for your hard work putting this together. I worked at a multiplex movie theater back in the 80's and would always go in and watch it and listen to the music on the big surround speakers. James Caan has said "Frank" was his favorite movie character. He also said this scene in the diner with Tuesday Weld is the best piece of acting he has ever done. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wdecy_Xv8ds.htmlsi=dLONvl15KQJwe58b
There is not single clean music cue on it that is usable. The sound FX and foley work ruin it. The music is much more isolated on the individual 5.1 surround channels. That still required a massive amount of work to clean up, but far less than trying to clean up the Arrow track, which was mostly impossible.
