Things SWAT 4 does better than Ready Or Not #2 

I agree. Those little interactions make the NPCs in SWAT 4 more realistic and authentic. Hostages often have some kind of personality even when not really detailed but you have different kinds of civillians and suspects to deal with and it feels more immersive that way.

Yes, that's one great feature. I actually completely forgot about this one... I'll tell you what, this feature is one of the most effective ways to nail a suspect; There's also another feature of NPCs in this game: when there's a suspect close to them, they scream, shout smth like "there's a gunman, sir" or "I can see one of the shooters" and I think it depends on the level (like in the Tarrrone tenement the civs and the suspects are part of the same group and I don't remember civs actually giving away the location of the suspects nearby; the other way round is a level like the Diamond Centre, where the suspects forced their entry into the building) I actually like another feature in this game: suspects, if cornered or if they spot the SWAT team, can aim a gun at nearby hostages and threaten to kill them (and they will, if not stopped). I'm curious whether they can lower their gun without the interference of the team (for example, if the team pulls back and avoids engaging the suspect) *Edit* I've recently discovered another possible feature: NPCs can interact with environment (not only with doors). For me it happened in Food Wall Restaurant: 1) There was a guy in the main dining area at the cash desk (probably a cashier) and he was playing the animation of doing smth with the cash register (there was an actual clicking sound coming from it). That was the first time I've ever seen anything like that, usually NPCs just stay where they spawn and don't play any special animations. 2) In the restroom a civilian was "washing" his hands (the water was coming from the tap and the NPCs was playing the animation of interacting with it). I have no idea whether the interactions are scripted and whether there are any more on other levels. I think I'll check it out later

They do that in RON as well, but only when they’re being shot at.

You can’t forget about the level design put in the game and how you get Easter eggs and clues and news about future suspects down the line. For example Lawrence Fairfax newspapers were in the Qwik Fuel Convenience store and how he was a lead.

I thought i was crazy but one day i was taking a look at the animations and yes, it is correct. They do point to the nearest suspect location if the saw one.

I agree and I had plans to include such little details in my next video actually. I loved this in the Left 4 Dead games aswell. Completly different game but for me it gave these characters believable personalties and I loved their discussions and stories. SWAT is very different and it would destroy the serious tone of the game if the officers would chat so much but these few little conversations they have really adds to the experience.

It's so weird to think Nolan North was in Swat 4

old games in many cases,specially old "AAA" games, are infact full of small deetails like this :)

I still hope mouse-scroll door opening and mouse-scroll walking speed adjustment will make a return. This would fix a lot of smaller issues which are present right now.

i hope the AI starts doing that later instead of fully opening the door and getting one of them shot

There is a gameplay/AI reason behind that decission and this will definetly not be changed. At first it seems like this would easily be fixable and a slight change but it would actually be extremly difficult for AI and pathfinding. Not that I say its impossible but it would be hard and very time consuming to implement to say at least.

@@BreachBangBeer I agree. Recently i´ve seen a video where a game developer explains that doors are "Endbosses" when it comes to programming anything that has to do with them :D Like you said the pathfinding / AI.

@@Secret_Pilot1 I mean yeah, the problem is not to make AI interact with doors but when a door is limited to open only in one direction it creates a lot of problems and issues that the AI has to be aware of, like positioning, movement, pathfinding and animations. Its really not an easy thing to implement this in a game like ready or not where your AI team will stack up on a door before breaching or throwing nades in.

Since when does every single door in either game swing both ways

You can install First Responders mod. You can even pull the door to back and front. It includes Elite Force mod and many additional things.

Well really it would cause an ignition, not an explosion but it would most certainly spark the gasoline and ignite it.

I think the developers of SWAT 4 might have even knew that honestly. They did ditch some aspects of realism in favor of gameplay, which I think were good choices most of the time.

they've already announced overhauls to some of the existing voice lines, so I have hope that the voice acting will improve significantly in the future

@@dickyneedles8876 That is good, and I'm glad they recognize the problem, but if it's "higher quality/professional voice actors saying the same lines with the same direction", that doesn't really fix the issue. In addition, at least one other previewer recommends a mod that switches the dialogue for the 15+ year old recordings of SWAT 4 lines because, among other things, they made female civilians have a chance to flirt when detained (?!) (Shmillsyy, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L6IsSDWTNdU.html ). In a game whose trailer promises a "bust the human traffickers" mission, that is a bizarre and frankly absurd direction to use; that the devs cleared it at all, even for placeholder lines, does not speak to their ability to make the "emotional" realism of the game match the "tactical" realism of the mechanics, if that makes sense.

That grave. I was like "WTF" too. SWAT 4 can just give you that atmosphere.

@@DavinValkri I'll say that may appear in some campagin mode. Most of the single player trailers strongly suggests there might be a single player campagin with a certain plot, Even with certain cutscenes or cg, especially the preorder trailer.

Most of the shit they flex in the trailers from 2018 is non existent in the alpha. Talk about taking 5 steps back

I 100% agree. AI is one of the biggest issues aswell as the most important aspect of RoN. They definetly have to improve how they behave and react sometime in the future.

I've got 90% likes on both videos so I think a big part of the RoN and SWAT community agrees :)

@@BreachBangBeer good to hear!

@@BreachBangBeer send these videos to the developers.

@@streetmachine8211 I have posted them in both discords. If enough people share the videos they might see them :)

Mirrors work in RoN since a few months, there was a lot of updates and almost everything was improved and added that I show in the video.

​@@BreachBangBeer Funnily enough I found that out after making this comment, I specially like how surrendered civilians/suspects turn to have their back to you when you go restrain them now. Since they seemed to have listened to your feedback it'd be cool if you made a third video of comparisons :)

@@asddw4998 @asd dw There was a lot of feedback coming from the players on their discord and youtube so the devs got an idea what people want but if they really saw one of my videos that would be pretty cool :) Maybe I'll make another video where I show features of many different games that would fit RoN well.

@@BreachBangBeer That would be cool as well, one feature I missed a lot in SWAT 4 is the "go stealth/go dynamic" options, many times I had the AI SWAT members do a reckless conga-line through the doors and get killed one after the other, I hope in RoN they add an option to command the SWAT members to shoot from behind cover and be careful.

Thanks. The problem with suspects right now is that their animations are not smooth and the often shoot and kill you BEFORE the weapon is aimed at you. The AI in general is less predictable because it just doesnt work a lot of times. I get your point and I agree with that but they have to improve all the AI in the game drasticly.

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Voicelines and voiceacting still needs a lot of work to reach SWAT4, thats true.

@@BreachBangBeer I've installed the mod where TOC is changed to the swat 4 counterpart. It's a bit buggy but I'm fine with it. Also what version of elite force are you using in the video?

In SWAT4 they dont react to it, but modded they do. In RoN the animations when they rise their guns for example and overall movement is just not as good as in SWAT4 but its obviously still WIP. It feels like in RoN the people dont have any weight and draw, aim shoot instantly without you having time to react.

@@BreachBangBeer my 2 cents on that: i kinda feel they want to be the way is now. They want you to feel afraid of them , be on your toes. That doesnt means it is more realistic , is the feeling out of it that has to be. Swat4/SEF suspects are too much predictible , im not sure copying it is the right path.

Most of the suspects in RoN are on a level with fucking John Wick. They will sprint at you at ludicrous speed while shooting with pinpoint accuracy. I also had a nice interaction today: suspect with his back turned to me, weapon in his hands. I shout at him and before he even turned around, he oneshot me with his gun, that was not even aimed at me yet. Between me shouting and getting shot was a fraction of a second. While I like the gaming being hard, the AI is still way overtuned/bugged.

@@TheDayne I experienced that a lot at first but when I started to make these videos I couldn't trigger this issue anymore. Maybe they fixed it or I was just lucky.

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Might be half implemented in the game but everytime you report someone you see the icon for a dead suspect/civilian and also at the end of the mission you'll only see dead suspects and none incapitated.

they play sounds but functionally they are dead. you cannot execute them like in SWAT & they are still counted as dead. It's just fluff for immersion

same. Just installed Swat4 Gold with SEF again and loving it. Bringing back the good old memories. 90+ is my goal :D

the AI is quite amazing takes time to tweak, u cna def play with the values your self and tweak it to be more brutal and clever! but yeah "its old" in simple terms, just like old games, they behave like dumbasses or behave amazing! Anyway, many of these things or most of what u mentioned it is implemented in the original AI already! :) The main thing is... are u judging the AI according to the SEF MOD? Sef did amazing things to gameplay and Officer AI! but it completely dumbed down the Enemy AI

Well I guess no AI is perfect and you are right with what you wrote but the SEF mod fixes a lot of the issues that SWAT 4 had.

actually now thinking about it again, the first 2 minutes are a perfect representation of SEF mod, were the AI does not work at All like OG SWAT4 does, the suspects are purely braindead, the first suspect is less than 2 meters away from u and its totally oblivious of your presence even wen u open a door heheh , the second part is even worse were the suspect just doesnt react at all and looks at you crouched. A better comparison would be RON vs Og Swat4 were the suspects are infact not brain dead and wayy more deadly than SEF.

IIRC, a similar option already exists in RoN. I've used it myself a few times when I've struggled to find the gun that a restrained/dead suspect has dropped. It pops up as a option in the command menu if the game detects a piece of evidence, ie gun.

iirc for the slots, if you don’t want to fill three tabs with flashbangs/CS/Stinger/Wedge, there is a three-pack option just to fill out one slot, so it really shouldn’t be a large hassle

Only mod I've installed is SEF (SWAT Elite Force) :)

Probably wont happen because these videos exist to show how a pretty old game can still be as good or better than newer games even though they had a lot more limitations back then. Showing that a modern game has better mechanics than a game from the early 2000s would be kinda silly if you know what I mean. But I definetly agree, RoN got a lot better with all the updates the devs released since the video was uploaded.

@@BreachBangBeer that’s perfectly understandable, i was just thinking that it could show how small indie teams today can match past and even modern bigger dev studios

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They added and fixed quite a lot, yes.

@@BreachBangBeer awesome thanks

If thats true why put a timer there? 20 seconds for planing or briefing is not close to enough time. SWAT 4s briefings sometimes take 5 or more minutes and are optinal.

@@BreachBangBeer Yea. Feel like the amount of time will be changed eventually (if the intended use is what I think it is) Though even then not sure why it’s even there. Since it also has a feeling that it’s just leftover code of the PvP game mode that had been used awhile back to show off the game to some big names in content creation.

@@fireheartclan Just a left over from the pvp build seems more plausible but I've never played this version so I wouldnt know.

It is possible to change this in the settings. The picture-in-picture mode for the wand is not very nice to use right now though because of very unclear vision.

I will remember to put that in the next video.

@@BreachBangBeer Also secondary entrances. Perhaps FMJ/JHP rounds although I think you mentioned it earlier?

@@4i4kov Good idea aswell with the different entries but I mentioned ammotypes already, yes.

I've included this in the new video :)

Thank you :)

I try my best to get so time to do so but its hard right now. Thank you for the kind comment :)

Thank you for the kind words and I am glad you enjoyed it. I have posted the videos on both, the official and the supporter discord.

You can add attachments to some weapons. There should br a clip in this video where you can see how to choose them in your equipment tab.

Well, I am comparing a 16 year old game to a game that got not even officially released and SEF is almost certainly "the way to go" when you play SWAT nowadays. I think its fair to give SWAT a little advantage :)

@@BreachBangBeer Oh ABSOLUTELY. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of SWAT 4, the game still stands superior, at least for now. RoN in its current state is extremely promising and I can't wait to see it fixed and well-developed.

No you shouldn't compare to the default SWAT 4. Default is old news. SEF mod turned it into the gold standard of tactical SWAT games. RoN has it so easy. Copy what is tried and true. Hopefully they can accomplish that.

Thanks a lot for the kind words. SWAT4 really holds up very well and is still a fun game. RoN got a lot of updates which improved and fixed many aspects of it and so the video is pretty outdated because of this. What you mean comes from the SEF mod I think which is basically the way to play SWAT nowadays. You can find it on moddb for example.

alright, will you be doing part 3 or series where RoN does better job than SWAT 4? also thank you for the mod name, going to install it

@@rtecseksiak I wont show things that RoN does better than SWAT because that should be the goal as SWAT is a pretty old game by now but maybe I'll do a third part in the future. No problem, have fun :)

Crouching while walking is almost as high as walking straight. While in SWAT4 you stay low while walking crouched. I was part of the german localization team, so yes, german translation will be added soon :) German voiceacting however is not planned as far as I know.

The newest version available on GOG. Also the newest version of the SEF mod at the time I uploaded the video.

@@BreachBangBeer i tried craced version, but i want to buy this game fór me and my brother

@@wolfi270 You can buy it on GOG. You only have to buy it once and you are able to install it on 2 PCs to play COOP.

@@BreachBangBeer really? I think Its work like Steam....

@@wolfi270 I've bought it on GOG myself and yes you can install the game on multiple PCs and play together.

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If they can't beat this old ass game we're truly living in the dark age of gaming

@@alphabroncotwozero392 older games are better because people didn't waste so much time on graphics and instead focused on features (mostly)

Its SEF (SWAT Elite Force), one of the most played mods for SWAT 4, as explained at the beginning of the video.

thanks man

Havent tested this but if thats true this shouldnt be the only way to incapitate someone.

@@BreachBangBeer is short but looks funny

SWAT 4 night club bang

Yeah I was thinking myself afterwards that this might actually not explode through gunfire. However some interactions like gas coming out of the cans would be nice. And thank you for the kind words :)

"less lethal" I dunno man I saw an oxygen tank go right through a brick wall one time

You might wanna check this out. swat4stats.com/servers/

@@BreachBangBeer Working with pirated/leaked copies as well since gamespy shut down or do I still NEED a unique copy?

@@BreachBangBeer That is beautiful I can drop a mappack if yall want it for future games

See the servers mainly only have swat4/TS maps, I could plop a whole ass 10 expansion set on a server if I ran one, god I would love to play some of those maps again with a full team

@@acidpoptart4270 I suggest buying SWAT 4 Gold from GOG. I'm not a fan of pirated games especially when its such a great game which is still possible to buy.

Good to hear. Do they still get stuck in the floor? What do you mean? In SWAT weapons disappear when you secure them.

Strange, the GOG version launches without problems for me, with and without the SEF FR mod.

@@BreachBangBeer I have the GOG version, i tried vanilla and SEF, -nointro, running as adminz compatability mode, changing res in the ini file and still doesnt work. What res is your monitor? I think the resolution may be the reason but i changed all the way through and none worked.

@@nova-co3bp With SEF installed I play on my monitors native 1440p. Without SEF the compatible resolutions are pretty limited but with the mod it should not be a problem.

@@BreachBangBeer I also have 1440p, strange

@@BreachBangBeer Worked afer a PC restart :)

Thats true and I am glad they are fixing issues and adding features that the community is waiting for.

I feel you.

Sometimes it happens but usually when a weapon is out of map the game counts this item as secured.

I’d disagree on that one. I absolutely love this area because you can take your boys and talk through new tactics you can test out new weapons while waiting till everyone is ready for the mission. And would be awesome if the briefing part would be integrated as well.

I like the hub area, especially for single-player, but the shooting range should get cut for multiplayer & just leave the briefing area. Players can go AFK in SWAT 4 too and you can't enter until everyone is ready... it's also pretty frustrating sometimes. A vote kick option would be another possible solution without having to cut anything, though.

@@VynalDerp Void already announced the Kick Option will be included in the next bigger patch. So it should solve this issue :)

@@Skankhunt023 when is that, though? It's been quite a while...

@@VynalDerp according to void it will be in a January update. Main focus of the Update will be AI behavior though.

Never had this happen except for once or twice but when this happens and the gun falls into the void it will be counted as secured, so there are no points lost in this rare cases.

Thanks for the suggestion but I don't think I'll do this. The reason for these videos was to show how great SWAT4 still is after all the time and what RoN needs to improve. SWAT4 however is a finished game and wont get updates anymore except for maybe mod updates). So there is no real reason for making a video the other way around especially because most things that were done better in RoN are mostly because of the much newer engine, like graphics, animations and so on. It would just be unfair to compare those things.

@@BreachBangBeer Ok.

Dont know if I'd compare these two. I mean obviously they are similar in some aspects but as far as I know zero hour is more pvp focused with pve modes where RoN is planned to be pretty much the opposite. Pricewise I'd say its too much for now. 40€ for RoNs finished state would be okay imo. On the other hand I have to say I support the game almost since day one so I payed a lot more... everybody has to decide for themselves about it.

That was the point of the video. The best SWAT experience that exists right now vs RoN.

@@BreachBangBeer Except this is not SWAT 4. It's a mod for SWAT 4 that is still getting updates. If you're going to be comparing mods, then I'm sure there are some for RoN that fix these problems. Plus you seemed to skip the biggest con of SEF - it removes the briefings.

@@4i4kov Well the basegame is still SWAT 4 and SEF is free. And why should I compare RoN to an o16 year old game? As I said. Its best SWAT experience out atm vs RoN that wants to be exactly that. And what do you mean by it removes briefings? At the end of the video I even show the complete briefing of a mission in SWAT 4 with SEF.

@@BreachBangBeer Huh. I must have messed up the install somehow, because I only get them under the "Officer Default" profile.

Brother in christ, the video is from december 2021. This may be the reason why its outdated lol. The actual sad thing is, that some things are still not fixed after all this time.

This could happen of course but thats why it is in Early Access. You dont have to support it if you dont want and just wait if they deliver the game which they're advertising on their website. As supporter you just have to trust a little bit in them to follow their vision. However I can understand your concern.

I wouldn't say its a bad mod. It's easier as the vanilla swat 4 but the mod itself is pretty good. It adds proper widescreen support for a lot of modern resolutions, FOV sliders, more stable coop (at least in my experience) and a lot of little QOL improvements and features. I think I never used the heavier armor so I don't know about that but I know what you mean with the possibility to spam grenades with these 3-stacks that you can choose. But as nobody forces me to equip them I don't complain about this.

@@BreachBangBeer Your not supposed to be able to cheese something, its bad design, they should change that, also, why is the semi auto launcher a thing? the HK69 was perfectly fine, ready or not adds one too, why are swat 4 fan projects so obsessed with adding semi auto grenade launchers?

@@Eyeling I mean its primary a solo/coop game so for me it's not a problem. Just play as you like and don't use the equipment you don't like and those who like it can use it. If this was the case in a PVP game I would agree but as its not I don't see a problem tbh.

@@BreachBangBeer One last thing I hate about elite force, they put Fairfax residence first, the whole point of fair fax residence was that it was a gut punch after the more bombastic foodwall restraint, just because its slightly easier doesn't mean it should go first. it just ruins that whole bait and switch.

There was already a short showcase which showed that reflections work once the new update gets released. I was just thinking they'd wait until raytracing was ready to showoff the RTX effects aswell.

True, I meant there should be some kind of reaction. Gas leaking, the cans falling over, stuff like that.

Well spent money.