Yes. That is very important to distinguish. Realistically though? Teachers will be all consumed in the ideology and not able to ‘not preach’ it in every aspect of the classroom.
Educating whom??? So are you against critical disabilities studies? I don’t think you know what critical race theory as a framework means. Maybe I’m wrong.
@@frankhubbardiv8711 You are absolutely correct. But keep in mind you'll get a response from the Marxists that tries gaslighting you by pretending CRT is only a niche part of legal education. As though it has not moved out of where it began. Yet it obviously spread out into the social sciences soon after its inception. Nearly 30 years ago I heard CRT coming from my older sister's lips as she was getting her sociology degree. It spread into all of the humanities, now including history with a strong cynical attempt at rewriting history exclusively through oppressor/oppressed, cherry picked narratives. While spreading out into all of the humanities in the US, the gaslighters are pretending nothing has changed in written scholarship in those fields. If you get them to admit CRT is being taught to kids, the focus switches from denying it being taught to saying teaching it is justified and necessary.
People of their age dont care about sound or video quality. Same problem with Gad Saad - compelte refusal to invest in equipment. Glenn has ok sound because he got it for free.
Future historians will use that as another reason why people "way back in 2021 were so badly educated. . . not because they didn't have brilliant writers, but because they shadowbanned them, and chose puerile writers instead."
@@zxyatiywariii8 It is also evidence that this group and other “Academy” types are emotionally unhealthy, childish, and intellectually lazy. Five years ago, if a client asked me if It would be a good idea for them to try to indoctrinate their workforce into the practices Robin D’Angelo covers in her book, I would have said change out whatever executive team member initiated this because they will destroy your company and it’s racist at its core. Legally, there is no defense for employers pitting one race against another. It simply means the company is liable for discrimination.
Glenn and John - I wish I could go back to college and law school and have you as my professors and mentors. Please know that your words and thoughts are part of what is getting so many of us through this ridiculous period of history. Thank you!
Same here, always looking forward to new conversations. It's just so facinating watching these two pick apart a topic and really examine the good and bad with no fear of "taboo" subjects or ideas. Any topic should be open to examination and criticism.
First thing kids need to learn at school is all the stuff that is generally and universally considered to be true and accurate. That's basics. On advanced levels some kids might learn competing controversial theories and views accompanied with proper analysis. CRT is being pushed on basic level as if it is "true". That's the problem.
yeah, I have no problem with a high school class discussing the pros/cons/implications of using CRT, in fact I think it would be a great discussion. This is different however than using CRT influenced/breed/inspired material as the sole framework/perspective to teach history, which is the implication I'm getting. On the other-hand, I'm also slightly concerned with the banning of CRT influenced curriculum in schools, solely for the fact I think it has a tendency to be done sloppily, and lead to other ideology focused curriculum (I can expound on this if necessary). But overall I can not want kids to be learning marxist feminism in elementary social studies, but have no problem with older age groups learning about these viewpoints and not be a hypocrite.
It's the Far Left's version of bible stories, which are also not allowed in school. Or maybe now they are, if "competing world views" are acceptable again...
Mr McWorther, you are one of the most interesting people I’ve come across this past year. I appreciate your thoughts and I find I always like listening to you whether you’re talking about language and words - one of my big interests and love - or topics like this. And listening to the both of you talk and discuss is always giving me something - in opposite to sometimes when I listen to someone talk, or a debate, and I get the sense afterwards that it was an hour (or however long it was) I maybe could have done something else. Granted, I learn something from people I think are being dumb or disingenuous as well. But listening to this show is definitely a much bigger treat. And I thank you for that, Mr Lowry and Mr McWorther.
The audio quality on the Glenn Show has improved significantly over the last year. Unfortunately, in this conversation, John's level is too high. His voice is constantly distorting.
I don't think John has been using a mic, just built-in audio. I've complained about his audio before. If he's trying to improve it, I give credit for the effort.... DId he just get a mic, but then not know how to test and adjust audio input? John still refuses to wear headphones. Too vain? These guys need an audio producer/tech/engineer. How many people give up how many hours a month, and how many .dollars? If they're not putting in enough time and effort to get the audio right, it's disrespectful to the audience. Glenn did it. Come on John.
Mollen Because there's a certain narrative about a certain people for certain reasons that must be drilled and drip fed into our heads from womb to tomb.
I agree, they are lying and they don’t have good intentions. They want what they want and don’t care if a few people get hurt along the way. This makes me quite puzzled as to how this ends
Property destruction and theft are legitimate forms of expression - and the protest was peaceful. Antifa are the good guys - and they don't exist. CRT is just teaching about racial reality in society - and it's not happening. Arguing in the alternative is necessarily a bad faith tactic, so I don't think calling them liars requires any undue speculation about their knowledge or motives. They are either lying or insane or both. To settle on lying is as charitable as the facts permit.
Don't be sorry for the rant, Glenn. You're absolutely on point. John has a point, some people really seem to be clueless about it, but a lot of them are just plain liars.
My take on the CRT laws was that they were a bad idea, but I must say after hearing Rufo and French back-and-forth on it on Bari Wiess's "Honeslty" podcast, Rufo won me over. I think some legislation COULD be helpful, and the stuff that's overreaching is not going to make it through anyway. It is too easy for duplicitous people to skirt the laws already in place when teaching this radical stuff and then pretending they are not. There is real manipulation going on, and new laws (even if somewhat redundant with what is already in place) could help to further lay out what's acceptable and what is not.
@@jordandthornburg it is disturbing seeing how dedicated teachers are to teaching CRT. Are they truly that confident that it will help students or are they just indoctrinated and willing to do anything for the “cause”?!
If CRT isn’t being thought in the schools then why would you care if it’s banned? I don’t get why some one would protest the ban of a practice they claim isn’t even happening
The proponents give CRT in schools different titles and play a game of semantics, to try dismissing the criticism outright. Simple concept here: if you have to lie about what you're teaching kids and are annoyed this last year because parents could hear the poison you're preaching to their kids, maybe you're "the baddies."
Talk about the 4th, in our little town here, the Republicans had a very big public showing in the town's parade, including our federal state legislator, and there was NO representation by the Democrats.
I listened to the Munk debate yesterday. Dr. Ladson-Billings, for all of the work she has done with the public education system, had nothing to say about the "managed decline" of literacy in public schools that most African-American students are required to attend. She was gracious, but was being disingenuous in that debate. People should listen to it. It seemed like she had carefully worded responses and Professor McWhorter was speaking extemporaneously.
I listened to it. Mcwhorter did about as good a job as anyone debating what’s currently going on in the schools compared to what CRT actually is.. that said, his oppt seemed lost in academia and clueless as to what’s going on in the real world. She so badly wants to blame all disparities on ‘racism’
I'll have to check it out. This reminds me of research a few years back emphasizing how important time spent reading out loud with young children is. How it's a better predictor of academic success than several socioeconomic factors of their family, whether kids go to public or expensive private schools, a whole lot more. Of course a racial grenade had to be added later in response to the research. White parents spend more time reading out loud with their kids than black parents do on average, and that's not fair. It's white privilege. Critics seemed to be telling white parents to read to their kids less to close the racial achievement gap. So I'd appreciate a more sane discussion than that type of insanity.
@@EvilMonkey7818 ... I was never read to as a child and I learned how to read and read well, but I attended school when public education still prioritized literacy. Parents should not be saddled with having to teach their children to read--that is one of the main purposes of K-3 education. Parents can support what is happening in the school, but shouldn't be expected to teach their children to read. If public education is going to have that requirement, then primary grade funding should go to parents. Either public education does the job it is being paid to do or funds should go to parents so they can do what is in their child/children's best interest.
It would be one thing if it was being taught in universities as its name says a theory to be discussed. It’s being taught in elementary schools, churches & gov’t organizations with all the dramatic assumptions CRT makes as definitively true. THAT’S A HUGE PROBLEM
Yes it’s pretty much everywhere and there are many reports about it causing great division .. there will be countless more coming this school year. .. I just don’t know where this is headed though.
Word. There is a difference between the original CRT of Crenshaw et al and what is being peddled in schools disguised as the diversity, inclusion and antiracism crusade. A lot of the culture war arguments miss this, instead getting lost in other aspects.
I have carefully studied the intellectual origins and the continuum of CRT. I don't agree. Richard Delgado states that CRT is intended to expand into many disciplines, it is an activist lens that has been adopted widely in medicine, law, sociology, "whiteness studies" (whatever the fuck that is supposed to be), education, governance, feminism, etc etc etc. That is in the words of Richard Delgado in Critical Race Theory an Introduction. The attempt to distinguish the CRT intellectual continuum that is manifesting in k-12 classrooms across the country which is primarily instructing children to see themselves through racial lenses, to see whites as oppressors and blacks as oppressed, the attempt to distinguish this from CRT the race focused legal studies theories is completely intellectually dishonest. It is the very definition of gaslighting. You are wrong, but I doubt you are lying maliciously, I assume you are merely ignorant.
@@jamesandayladodge4815 You’re correct but drawing the wrong conclusion. If you know anything about the history of medicine than you know that early teaching and clinical practice, and in regard to health disparities today have a racialized component. So correct, there is such a thing as critical disability studies, for example. It CRITICALLY analyzes how concepts and ways of understanding the disability community have been born from what is viewed as normative; such conditions being socially constructed by dominant group. Autism for example is a hot topic within the context critiquing how the “experts” originally explained it as as neurocognitive “disease” and what we are now learning about it. Hence the terms neurotypical and neurodivergent .
Excellent conversation as usual! Found this one particularly hopeful. Always leaning new perspectives from these two brilliant and honest intellects, and really appreciating it!
Great conversation. Why can't we have more public discourse like this. Two intelligent individuals discussing things with civility. We can learn so much from these two men.
I'd just like to say thank your brothers so much for this conversation. I wouldn't say I hold a political riding, although, in full transparency, my bias seems to lean more liberal at times. Although I may not agree with every point stated in this video, you guys brought up very valid points that caused me to pause and think. I appreciate your guy's intellectual honesty in presenting CRT correctly and not the strawman that seems to be perpetuated these days. You have certainly earned a subscriber in me.
Regarding cameras in classrooms being like 1984: there's a pretty big difference between government spying on family and family spying on government...
Yeah but it adds to the slippery slope justification of having cameras literally everywhere. "OK Luke, our AI just went through all of your classroom time from K-12 and has determined you're likely to steal from our company because you stole lunch money twice in 2nd grade, you missed 20 days of school in 5th grade, and you were obviously copying answers on a test in 10th grade. There is no way we can offer you a job here. We suggest you aim a lot lower in your future job search."
I've been a big fan since I discovered both of your work after the roundtable on Bret Weinstein's channel. While I can't pretend to have thought hard enough about the topic to form an educated opinion on cameras in classrooms, it did connect with something in my field. There does seem to be evidence that a camera in a therapist's office that records the professional and is accessible for the supervisor to review has a positive effect on performance. Doesn't mean it's right in every context, but I wanted to share. Thanks for all you do.
I'm in favor of it also; already much has been exposed by the students using their cell phones. And the virtual schooling showed much, also.. so much that I've begun to think of the shutdown as serendipity (for public school exposure only.) Many private daycare centers already have cameras, and have for decades. Since it's a public, tax payer funded operation, I'm all for it because the teachers should be accountable to the people who are paying them.
I read White Fragility, because I kept seeing people tell me to. It left such a confused and manipulated feeling in me I started looking up critical reviews of it and landed here. That’s one good use for that book. It turns people your direction.
A few Qs for your next conversation: Shouldn't Thomas Sowell's "Real Story of Slavery" be a must-listen at all schools? Are CRT pushers liars, or hypocrites? Isn't the "Critical" in CRT already meant to deceive, just like Aryan-Semitic in ASRT twisted two language categories into "Race Theory?" Is it possible to explain how when in 2021 Arab culture a Black man is called "Hey slave!" (according to the Jazeera paper), when a Black man is in prison for complaining about (active) slavery in Mauritania, no one has noticed that when Malcolm X and other prominent Muslim African Americans "anti-slavery" activists went to Mecca, slavery was alive and kicking? Now six year-olds need to feel guilty/oppressed as the core aspect of building a better society... as, what, jihadist of equity? Can the CRT emperors get more naked?
Glenn says "they don't play fair... " But his definition of fair relies on a common use standard that the opposition doesn't accept. If you know yours is the route to justice, and there's just power and oppression... Honesty, fairness, rationality, and evidence are just tools of the powerful that perpetuate oppression. IE: Your objection about fairness, is itself an odious exercise of oppression. It resonates with your audience, but a probably declining share of public which is bathed in newspeak from left and right ... Isn't it pervasive in institutions of culture, information, and knowledge?
You guys exemplify and edify....while making me smile. Adore you both. (And recently ordered a copy of the new edition of The Anatomy of Racial Inequality :) )
I think the problem with Glenn's framing of teaching CRT is that it is not going to be taught in primary education the way it would be in college. It will be indoctrination, not discussion. In that sense, I don't think comparing Marxism and capitalism in an economics class is a good analogy. I think the ideas behind CRT are worth being explored and introduced in education, but they should not be indoctrination.
I love you guys!!!! I was telling a friend about you, how & what you present etc. and she actually thought that you were my literal friends that I meet up with you at Starbucks and cogitate on these discussions! That’s how great you present- make most of us feel like we’re sitting in your living room!! I also catch myself praying for you and the awesome work that you do, praying that your work will find a larger audience in the general academic world. I am very old hence my manner of speech! :-)
There's a movie about a little black girl winning a spelling b. Not in the 20s, just whenever the movie was made in the 80s or 90s. I forget the name. It's been on BOUNCE TV many times.
What is ridiciulous about promoting Juneteenth to a national holiday is that not one person was liberated on June 19, 1865. Slavery was not abolished; slaves were not freed.
I just quit a teaching job in an ultra woke district. CRT or it’s derivatives were very rarely taught to students explicitly. Where it appears is behind the scenes in PD sessions and leadership training. The ideology has taken over the administration, and all policies and decisions are filtered through this lens. It affects every policy from discipline to hiring and everything in between
@@karlfreeman9522 Probably. But I don't ever hear of any of our brothers and sisters yearning to go to Great Britain for a better life or more opportunity. Are they???? America may have been 25-30 years behind Great Britain, but America was also a melting pot of worldwide cultures and peoples who had to figure it out using democratic means and eventually war. Not sure GB had to fight among themselves to figure out the slavery issue. America is not perfect and without blemish but it is without equal in that it used to be governed by The People voting for the government and policies it wanted. Notice I said, "used to be"
@@DisabusingTheLeft That has nothing to do with anything. And people used to go to Britain from African countries all the time for that reason. And it was 64 years behind. Besides it was Canada that was easier to go than Britain but whatever. It just struck me as an odd thing to say. Essentially you're saying if we didn't enslave you then you couldn't celebrate ending our enslavement of you. I'm not looking to debate whatever it is you're debating, just saying that sentence doesn't make any sense if you analyze it at all.
@@karlfreeman9522 You're freakin out about nothing. Looking for an argument I suppose. So let me be VERY CLEAR. The reference in this video was made to Toure saying "F July 4th. Juneteenth is MY Holiday" So it strikes me as bizarre that a citizen of America, whose independence was declared on July 4th, fought for and won, would likely not have the same notoriety, fame, opportunities, freedoms and riches as he enjoys here TODAY had that not happened. And yet, he celebrates an event, Juneteenth, that happened IN America, was bought about BY Americans and he chooses to ignore or F that part of history. You get it now???? Seems more likely that your first response didn't make sense. While Canada may have emancipated their slaves many years before the U.S., when did they make it an official holiday??? Did we hear of Toure's peers in Canada expressing the sentiment about Canada that he expressed towards America? There is not one perfect nation of peoples on this planet when talking about slavery. NONE!!!! But there sure are tons of people killin themselves to get to America including black people. Right?
@@DisabusingTheLeft No the more you explain the less sense it makes. Because you're going nuts over this and I really don't care either way but you're getting mad about my take away about your comment referencing what some other guy said is ridiculous. you say by Americans like it was a joint effort. There was a war fought and a lot of people still didn't necessarily agree. You explain like I don't understand but ok. I get what you're saying but I don't think you understand why you're even upset. I'll explain, half-assed measures to appease history don't make every platitude worthy of praise. Juneteenth is a pointless holiday but if some guy says he would put that over the celebration of the US, it actually makes sense because a certain segment of society didn't get the same freedom from the US independence. If anything, you could call it a celebration of the enlightenment of the US and proof that a people can change but to you it is an attack for some reason. The Irish give no fucks about England's sacred dates and events. Same logic man chill out. Canada is also having problems with that whole indigenous child graves but whatever. USA all the way right? Once again I don't want to even do this but you up the ignorance ante with comments like this You might want to look into why people immigrate and in many cases it isn't because the USA just kicks so much ass or the UK or Germany or wherever. Also before you even start, I listen to John and Glen because I like their measure thoughtful approaches to racial issues but some people try to hijack being logical for being biased. The fact this even matters that much is making me question whether you are looking for intelligent discourse or point to bolster some dogma. Your user name is also not a beacon for enlightened though. If you were actually interested in making a point you could have done it without being confrontational.. Condescending to me because I said your opinion didn't make sense is not the response from someone who has carefully thought out ideas or is even interested in being challenged by mild critical opposition.
I have been trying to wrap my head around the utility of the various anti-CRT legislations and whether they help or hurt. You have as always given me a lot to ponder. Thanks! :)
"Glenn Loury given the same amount of recognition as Thomas Sowell on the American Economics Association's reading list" is a more optimistic way of phrasing it.
46:22 Putting cameras on government employees (K-12 public teachers) to see what they are doing in the classroom isn't at all like the telescreens in 1984. Monitoring K-12 public teachers ONLY while teaching children is vastly different from what the telescreens were. The telescreens allowed the party/big brother to monitor people in their own homes (while putting out propaganda, but that part isn't really relevant). Big brother monitored everyone everywhere at all times. I haven't heard of people proposing that we should monitor teachers in their homes. Teachers would still be free to express whatever they wish in their own free time. Btw, if I'm mistaken with what was meant by what was meant by what was said there, please do let me know.
CRT is a philosophy created by college educated individuals. It is an interesting perspective of history but is inappropriate for K-12 just as arguably all philosophy is. As imperfect as it may be, my humble suggestion is to leave the philosophy/religion/bias to the parents at this young age who have a responsibility to pass on their knowledge and expieriance to the next generation.
So what is inappropriate for a K student is also inappropriate for a 12 student. They both are taught math you know. Centering John Brown as an anti-racist abolitionist in the history lesson compared to his racist contemporaries, rather than or at least equal to the emancipation proclamation would not be “philosophy.” It would fact-based. And my 15 yo son would be smart enough to handle it.
@@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 - History is not what we are discussing. We are discussing an ideology that says racial power plays are present in every interaction, that America is founded on racism and is grounded in white supremacy… which leads to the activist claim that race-based policies must be part of American life (e.g. every company should have race diversity in proportion to its community makeup, standardized tests should be done away with because they don’t result in educational ‘equity’ for test scores/college placement/law school, med school, engineering school placement, etc.)
@@StrategicWealthLLC The US was founded on slavery, which in the case of European slavers, is RACIST, biblically and pseudo-scientifically justified chattel bondage. (which is why the "but but other Africans had slaves" is not germane). The importation of Africans is central to the growth of the fledgling country. It is the major wealth creator. 1619 or 1776 are irrelevant in that context. The US was also founded on freedom and religious tolerance and property rights and elements of the Magna Carta. But to say it wasn't founded on slavery (racism) is preposterous. The principles of its founding documents (theories of governance) are directly contradicted by its administration of governance vis-a-vis the rights of the humans living in the racialized borders as (non)citizens. We only need to read the corresondence between Thomas Jefferson and Tadeus Kosciuszko to understand this. Why in the world people are scared to death to teach their children that is bizarre. If there is a district in any state that is actually teaching Jr High or HS children that "all white people are racists" and "every black child is inherently disadvantaged by the system and his/her life outcomes are inextricably linked to this condition" then that is NOT critical race theory. And those administrators should be fired. That is not only very rare if non-existent, it is being cited as an example of "critical race theory sweeping the nation." False. We need to stop with the hysteria. A psychiatrist performing lobotomies today is not representative of valid medical psychiatry and we wouldn't demand schools stop teaching psychiatry. CRT if separated from its origins in jurisprudence is a simple framework. It reframes historical events for example. There are many ways various people take the underlying concepts and apply them. Critical disability theory or critical indigenous studies are examples. Methodology for examining what we have been taught as objectively true. Examples: Juneteenth has emerged as a popular cultural topic after years of being off the radar of the white social structure and most public school curricula. Expect public school X to now discuss the holiday in general terms to its general student population. "Slaves in Texas were told by Gen Granger that they were free after 2 yrs of not knowing. They rejoiced. The end." That's one way of framing it, of centering the people connected to it. But a CRT lens will examine the event from the perspective of black Americans themselves, their ancestors, the families of those slaves in Galveston, and reveal what Juneteenth is to THEM, not what the "textbook" says. The textbook gloss could be erroneous, have omission, or distortions. And any honest person knows full well the US educational system has been rife with all of those for decades. One just has to look at the books schools are still using in various states. It is really that simple.
@@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 - I love chopping this argument to pieces. Let's go: There is a HUGE difference between being founded 'on' something and being founded 'with' something. Anyone saying that America was founded ON slavery would, if following their own logic, be forced to admit that America was founded ON horses, farming, etc. No one does the latter... because it would be stupid. That is why claiming the former is what America was founded ON... is stupid. By analogy, look at France. It had a revolution that resulted in an entirely new structure of government. It's motto, then and now, is Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. Are those the foundational principles of France? Or do you say that France was founded on the guillotine so frequently used during its "Reign of Terror" period? BTW, France banned slavery in its American colonies... for a while. It then reinstated slavery for a while... only to permanently outlaw it again. As another analogy, look at Volkswagen. This is the 2nd largest auto company in the world as of March 2021. The Nazis, under Adolf Hitler, started the company. Today, German historians state that during WW2, 80% of Volkswagen's work force was slave labor. So, here are the questions for you: Was Volkswagen founded on slavery? Was it founded in racist, Nazi ideology? Or was it founded on the idea expressed by Adolf Hitler himself, “It is for the broad masses that this car has been built. Its purpose is to answer their transportation needs, and it is intended to give them joy.” Your argument is toast on that little breeze of comparative analysis. America's founding principles are clearly articulated in the Declaration of Independence. Benjamin Franklin was president of the largest abolitionist society in America at the country's founding. Heck, the US Constitution itself makes clear that the slavery issue was going to be addressed 20 years after the country was founded. And guess what? On the very first day the federal government was eligible to ban the international slave trade (January 1, 1808), the US federal government did so. For you to say that slavery having existed in the US at the country's founding and in spite of the founding documents and their stated values.... is de facto evidence of slavery being what America was founded on... illustrates your complete lack of understanding of the country's federal-state government structure. The federal government had no authority to ban slavery at the state level UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. That power was not an explicit power granted to the government in the Constitution. The only way to grant the federal government that power was through Constitutional amendment (i.e. Recall that the federal government couldn't ban alcohol without the 19th amendment being added to the Constitution. And given that, ask yourself how the heck we have federal laws pertaining to the illegality of drugs). Remember, while all northern states had outlawed slavery within a few years of the country's founding, the southern states represented a block that could stop an amendment's ratification as 75% of the states must support ratification of an amendment. As for CRT, the example you cite when discussing Juneteenth... is that of standpoint epistemology. It implies that we cannot "step into another's shoes" and understand perspectives. Technically, standpoint epistemology (SE) is not in critical race theory - SE is more of a "feminist theory" thing - but SE is certainly being comingled with CRT in common parlance. That is a rather dangerous ideology in a multi-racial nation, is it not? People operating under its influence would say a US president cannot address the interests of all US citizens… because that president can’t “understand them.” Under a strict reading of that view - which is the one used in your example - a particular president or political figure could only understand the issues from his/her sex's, race's, sexual orientation's perspective. Under the influence of that ideology, citizens would be encouraged to vote for a representative that shared a given voter’s immutable characteristics... because those characteristics represent "them". If you’ve heard the term “whiteness” before, well, you haven’t seen anything yet… if standpoint theory takes off. Under that ideology, logically - I repeat, logically - there would be an end to non-white immigration. After all, Kendi says that past discrimination requires future discrimination as a remedy. He also says any disproportional racial representation is de facto evidence of systemic racism. Chatterton Williams wrote a fascinating article a few years ago about his interview with Richard Spencer, the white nationalist. Spencer told him that the American left’s focus on race was the photographic negative of Spencer's own view… and that Spencer loved it… because it was driving whites in Spencer's direction. Chatterton Williams is a fantastic writer and a brilliant guy. He happens to be black. He agreed with Spencer’s ‘photographic negative’ analogy. Goodbye liberalism in America. Oh, and American schools have certainly been rife with error for decades. That in no way indicates that the anecdotal experiences of all black Americans are similar or that their views are the same. Of course, my comment comes from an individualistic, classical liberal perspective. CRT - or CRT influenced activists - would suggest that all members of a racial group are the same.
A fish cannot leave the bowl, hang out in the fresh air, and come to a realization that being in the bowl means being wet. An adult human can do the analogous things. Can introspect, can seek out information that challenges pre-suppositions, and can come to a realization that teaching people to think X is tantamount to teaching people what to think. One can refrain from ascribing duplicitous intent to such an individual. But I'd argue there is room for legitimate frustration at such an individual, one who holds influence and yet hasn't chosen to understand a relatively simple and relevant truth about one's self.
I love listening to these two. There's so much utter bollocks in public discourse these days, both on the left and on the right. It’s a relief to come across a couple of intelligent, well-informed people who are just interested in working out what’s true. Friendly disagreements, points conceded - I'd almost forgotten what all that sounds like.
Great debate as always. Please do not lose the fact that we are teaching "children' as such the content has to be simplified and over-simplified again because they don't even understand the words being used, nevermind the socio-economic implications of CRT or sex education, etc. when they are in elementary school. So if a topic cannot be simplified to their level without completely changing the meaning, it should be taught at a higher level, that is how education is supposed to work.
Beebe, Arkansas. Where I live. That roving band of fists in the air, screams, engine revs, people hanging out car windows drove right by my house. I didnt know WHAT was going on. Just behaving like, you know, people in mourning do. 🙄
People who have issues with school content need to find a way to log and post it online so it can be referenced. Otherwise, this debate keeps going around that it's not CRT. In my understanding and from what John and Glenn discuss here, people will say it's not CRT (proper), which is why it's rebuffed as "CRT is not being taught"..but articles hardly ever actually discuss the content. I think people need to move beyond whether it's technically CRT, discuss the actual content and reference it. Otherwise the rebuttal continues to be one doesn't want "history" taught..which may be true in some cases. But if you are always chasing the phrases like a slippery ghost fish, then you can never actually have a real aha moment with ACTUAL content.
Glenn, I'm sure ya already do, but I'd be tickled pink to be on any list w/ professor Sowell OR yourself and genuinely feel you should too as he should feel proud to be on a list w/ you.
Interesting guest on Fox recently: Kenny Xu, author of 'An Inconvenient Minority', argues that Asian-American success disproves critical race theory.....Kenny says Asian Americans do twice as much homework as other groups.
It's like Zizek said about 'cultural Marxists' at the debate with Peterson: "they're not Marxists." So Glenn and John should be more clear to distinguish between various contemporary pseudo-lefts - like radical democrats, progressive neoliberals, ultra-left anarchist activists or postmodernists - and the work of people like Adolph Reed and Cedric Johnson. You could then see the difference between emancipatory left universalism and the kind of liberal capitalist universalism that they support. One problem is that there are very few genuine leftists around these days. The discussion gets truncated, as revealed during John's interview with Bill Maher, where Maher made John eat crow about black poverty.
The whole problem of banning CRT comes about because the schools are public. Privatize the schools and this whole issue goes away. You'd get good Aristotelian schools out competing this these CRT weirdos in 10 years and nobody would have to ban anything.
Ha Ha most of the parents decrying teaching of CRT probably went to private school where you get a different kind of brainwashing. So you want the 1776 Trump version of which he hasn't read. America has to be the most dishonest, lie based country in history.
