ThinkPad X200 vs X220 Comparison! 

I don't know but I think the first thinkpad to use chiclet was the X230 and it featured as an option a backlit keyboard. Maybe when they where implemented the backlit they decided it was easier to do with a chiclet design. I know on some newer thinkpads you can do a mod to fit an older style keyboard in them, which is pretty popular.

honestly man i prefer my t430's keyboard to the on my x220.

I prefer chiclet style keyboard than classic. Where's your God now?! :v

ive had both for a few years and i couldnt really tell the difference. when you press the A key an A appears on the screen, when you press the B key a B appears on the screen etc etc what more do you want! :D

@ zebble ganubi - Speed, accuracy and comfort with a non-confusing classic IBM layout. Thank you Santa, I have been a good boy this year.

It's basically what computer monitors have INSTEAD of 720p. Also 1080i TVs are actually that, normally EDIT: Except there's also 1360 x 768 and one of them is the weird one.

1366×768 is so bad if you are used to 1920×1080. 900 is much better and almost comparable to 1080, but 768 is noticeably bad

@@Aiden-vj2tg I switch back and forth between a 25" 1080p monitor and a few different laptops with 1366x768 screens constantly. I see no real difference. Maybe if you were using a 25" 1366x768 panel, but on a laptop it's really no big visual difference for me on 11.6", 14", and 15.6" laptop displays.

@@smileyguyz the real difference is everything renders larger to meet the same pixel requirements and field of view in video games is much reduced. If you decrease the size of things such as text it becomes blurry with unfocused edges

at least you know it's not scripted lmao

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@@stumbling i didn't expect this guy to look like an otter

Discount proof that it's not scripted lmao

This is what's making me want to track down an X200s or X201s with the 1440x900 display, more screen real estate than any X220/X230 model. Shame the display was never offered on the full-power versions of the X200 or X201 though.

Good news! You can actually swap the X201s display assembly with 1440x900 and screw it right on the full power X201. It's what I did and it works great!

@@jasongoulet-lipman7308 That's nice to know. I bought an X230 and got caught by the small screen 16:9 impossible to live with aspect ratio and also the really really bad touchpad. I did a bit more research and found out that the X201 is the best of them - screen better, build quality better, better keyboard, full power CPU (watch out for the s model low power CPUs) and ALSO THE X201 LOOKS TO HAVE THE LOVELY LITTLE TRACKPAD FROM THE EARLIER SERIES (X300) - I just ordered one today and I will be doing a full head to head of the X201 vs the X230 on my channel, including VIDEO RENDERING against the T400 / W500 as benchmark.

osboot + me_cleaner

yeah man, browsers are absolutely notorious for wasting RAM like crazy.... just for opening a goddamn website. The sad truth is that developers have completely abandoned the idea of resource-friendliness and because of that you really need at least 8GB or RAM nowdays for a machine where you wanna do some web browsing on. Absolutely insane…

What OS do you use? I never went above 3GB when web browsing. I use arch btw

@@mateusgomes1086 Same here on full fat Linux Mint Cinnamon install with 4gb of ram and 2gb of swap. I rarely get over 3 gigs of usage and that's with Firefox running enough tabs to fill the top bar and maybe 500 megs used of swap. The worst I've seen was 3.7gb used with a full swap, but I also had more tabs with even heavier pages along with large projects open in Blender & Gimp AND Discord/Spotify open. I still find my 32gb of ram on my desktop useful though :)

@@smileyguyz iGPU also eats up ram so it matters if you have dedicated GPU or not

@@leonbishop7404 To an extent, yeah I suppose it does. The 4gb of ram example I brought up was my HP stream with a Celeron N4020 and integrated graphics. Unless you're loading a bunch of vram heavy stuff, like a LOT, most people shouldn't notice any issues.

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No. You can check it in their website: libreboot.org/docs/hardware/ However, it can run coreboot. Here's a link of a video showing it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hxQqvKc7xOA.html If you want to know how to install Libreboot in an X200 check: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ktcvWkEVBE0.html If you want more information on coreboot in x200, check: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9sSbFufySJk.html P.D.: The guy from the first video is the same guy that fixed Luke's X220 from ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3X1LUlnhIAI.html as you can check in ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zV1f8raveZo.html

You can get coreboot, just not libreboot

Still working now???

what about now?

William Just need to upgrade some ram and hd for a SSD

It’s still alive and kicking!

@@abdulwahabjag Now it's dead..... NOT!

since some programs require at least a 1024x768 screen minimum (mostly older windows and some point of sell programs have this issue) causing some programs to have 48 pixels cut off a 1280x720 screen.

The good news is that if the X220 is successfully Librebooted, the chances of the X230, T420 and other post-i5 posts getting a Libreboot increases drammatically. The modern Intel ME has been a big stalling factor in freeing the BIOS in later computers, but if the X220 is successful, that means that overcoming similar MEs in other devices should be much easier.

Let's hope! I love your channel btw :D

No Libreboot for x220. But you can compile Coreboot with castrated ME.

the latest release is from 2016

New version released, but forget about new hardware. They won't accept a castrated ME. ME = no libreboot castrated ME = no libreboot no ME = libreboot

@@vitacell1 That kinda sucks.

@@mr_beezlebub3985 Yeah I know, but it's not a devs problem, and we need to blame Intel. Intel should release their ultra-super-mega secret ME's source code, which is easy, they only need to release it.

did it come out?

@@nonma2312 no

@@RedFenceAnime ty. Can the t420 be libreboot?

​@@nonma2312 no. iirc x220 can be librebooted but you gotta solder, t420 cant be librebooted, it can be corebooted afaik

I have a friend that i'm pretty sure has ported coreboot to x201 and maybe x220 as well

Xunius Xu I bought a new Lenovo battery, and it lasts around 6 hours with medium brightness.

You underestimate the number of shameless and despondent normies who not only don't care, but will actively signal against you if you say obvious "conspiracy theorist" facts like what the ME does.

Now that we're gradually moving to a world of 3D printing and decentralized manufacturing, this is more of a possibility. God knows traditional manufacturers have been resisting it. Having easily decomposible and repairable products is disasterous for brands but great for users.

Luke Smith oy vey muh shekel

Luke Smith is there any notable difference between the x200 or the x200s, or other ThinkPad models with the same p attern

Salty Man, the main difference is that the X200 use full voltage processors, which gives more grunt for some more heat and fan spinning with an incremental decrease in battery life, while the X200s uses a low powered one, which gives up some processing power for more battery life and less fans, along with a more portable design and weight. Some s models have a 1440 x 900 screen, but it is still that shitty TN display. But, good news! There *is* an AFFS mod for the X200/X201 (s included), which delivers radically better color and viewing angles! It's just a Google search away! Regards, darrung

EOMA 68 *Wink Wink*

gaming? no.

@@johnson42069 I got a T420 for that :P

For the X200, hardware is the only choice. I want to do a vid on this, but I won't have access to a non-Librebooted X200 for a couple months. I also gotta get a Rasberry Pi and the other equipment needed for it. If you want to install it on yours ASAP, there are some vid tutorial up on it already: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CyxgYnOcsTw.html

I have a Samsung 500GB and 1TB. I don't really have a preference of brands or anything though; I don't have any knowledge of performance differences (don't think it'd make much of a difference anyway). I just bought those that were the best prices when I looked.

Thanks for the reply! Hoping to get my hands on a x200 soon.

Nice

Not weird, just sucks.

I'm running Trisquel GNU/Linux on my X220t

Very probably it's GNU+Linux, not Linux.

My experience is going to be anecdotal, but I'll tell you: when I got my X200, it had just gotten new thermal paste; it keeps very cool and only starts heating up if it's on wool and doing something really intense. The X220 has not gotten new thermal paste in years and when I'm recording video, for example, it can get into 9X degrees celsius (too hot for my comfort!). I was actually ordering mini-screwdrivers now that I need to reapply thermal paste myself. I suspect it will be as cool as my X200 when I do, or at least manageable. So I'd say if you know how to reapply thermal paste or can have a friend do it, you shouldn't worry about it. Otherwise, you might want to buy one advertised as refurbished with new CPU paste.

wow, where did you put the thermal paste? my x200 is hot under the palm rest area, it's no longer a laptop but a lapheater

read the libreboot website :) It is possible, but some configurations concerning RAM is an issue. I have an x200, and I love it. But it gets too hot to be used as a primary computer and the process of librebooting seems very complicated to me :/ I need more elite friends.

they're basically the same thing. main difference is that the x200s can have a 1440x900 panel instead of the 1280x800 on the x200. www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200 www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200s

Thanks for the information!

Not sure if this will help as this is months later, but I used an older version of the Hotkey Features Integration tool which enabled the onscreen volume, screen brightness, etc. Albeit with Windows 10 (Pro). Posted details here: forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Thinkpad-X200-7459-1P0-Upgraded-To-Windows-10-Pro-Can-t-Get/m-p/4046125/highlight/true#M84395 Saw a discussion on a Reddit thread originally. Happy 4GB RAM/240GB SSD X200 user with Windows 10 Pro :)

Crane try the track nipple, you'll love it. Seriously though, I thought I'd never get used to it but after two days I like it better than a touchpad.

if you get the x201 it has a trackpad.

You could check on their website probably.(they didn't)

ATM just these two and a desktop, although I eventually plan on having everything on my X220 and a dock (or the X200 if Librebooting the X220 does not become possible).

You can compile any program on any computer, even cross compile.

Actually? Nothing. Most "Thinkpad people" are just averse to any changes

x1 carbon is like if thinkpad made apple. But the price tag is too fancy for me :(

You can check the Libreboot website to see what motherboards they support. They've mostly focused on computers with native Intel processors, but there are a few others. I will say AMD processors have been just as bad; they have something analogous to the ME preventing Libreboot from being easy. Of course it's less the processor itself that's a problem and more what kind of garbage comes with it.

besides from the by libreboot supported hardware, are there some more companies that manufacture cpus/mainboards without these "additional features" and could possibly librebooted in the future?

There's a company called Purism that's removing as much as possible, but reality is you can't completely get away from it. All Intel chipsets since 2008 include the Management Engine. Up to the Core 2 series chips it could be disabled, which is what a Librebooted x200 does. In the Core i3/i5/i7 it's not possible to turn it off. The best that can be done is to trim down the ME firmware as much as possible, but the ME will shut the system down if it's not supplied a minimally valid firmware signed by Intel. AMD has something similar. The only way to completely avoid it is use x86 from before mid-2008 (like Thinkpad x60) or look at an ARM based system.

no sadly :(

@@lukaspinoti107 Are they working on fixing this or is it impossible?

@@f23anone82 To my knowledge, the Core series processors are significantly harder to libreboot. The project is pretty much dead. Coreboot still has a very active development and works on recent hardware. Tbh I'm content with coreboot.

@@f23anone82 Intel is the culprit. Blame them. Anyway Libreboot is a Coreboot distribution, so you can compile Coreboot and castrate ME, but it still be here (basic parts for boot) and only Intel knows what it does. Libreboot just won't accept and tolerate any blobs/proprietary software.

@@vitacell1 pretty much this, you just can't quite remove all of it.

No, but it can be castrated with ME_cleaner libreboot.org/faq.html#intelme

Yes and no. You can get rid of most of the ime with coreboot but some pieces must remain sadly.

both should have, even the most recent thinkpad model has them too and it's their tradition

No the modern one's don't have it.

@@grady7443 they do

You just need two sticks of DDR2 RAM. Remember that you should also have a 64 bit operating system: 32 bit OSes have a RAM cap of around 4GB. Here's preceisely what I bought: www.ebay.com/itm/4GB-2x-2GB-Memory-RAM-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T60-T60p-T61-T61p-X60-X60s-X61-X61s-/121821155384?hash=item1c5d1b5038:g:nFUAAOSwHQ9WURoD

My x200s takes DDR3 (PC3-8500, 1066 MT/s). Did you post the link for an older Thinkpad by mistake? Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes System Information Manufacturer: LENOVO Product Name: 7470W1X Version: ThinkPad X200s ... Handle 0x0021, DMI type 17, 27 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0020 Error Information Handle: No Error Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 4096 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM 1 Bank Locator: Bank 0/1 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1066 MT/s Manufacturer: 0198 # (Kingston) Serial Number: 9208D61F Asset Tag: 1101 Part Number: 9905428-020.A00LF Handle 0x0022, DMI type 17, 27 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0020 Error Information Handle: No Error Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 4096 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM 2 Bank Locator: Bank 2/3 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1066 MT/s Manufacturer: 0198 Serial Number: 9208D61F Asset Tag: 1101 Part Number: 9905428-020.A00LF

For some reason thats a really standard laptop resolution these days. I wish it was something like 1600x900 or higher, but that's what i get for buying cheap crap

1366x768 has been the most common resolution on laptops for years. It's done to keep scanline rate compatibility with the XGA standard (1024x768) and just increases the pixel clock. This stretches the display horizontally to accommodate a 16:9 format, hence 1366x768.

Its Linux

@@krusty07 No, it's GNU+Linux. Which is different.

Can you put a 16:10 on it?

@@PiceaSitchensis there are mods out there to fit a 16:10 13.3 FHD IPS display in however it's one of the harder thinkpad mods. Not recommended for beginners.

wofwof14 have you tried applying your own thermal paste? that can help

Hobbsy i haven't try yet, what would be the best thermal paste to use?

wofwof14 I’m not sure, sorry

Hobbsy do you own a x200?

wofwof14 I have a x220. The thermal paste issue is something I’ve noticed reading reddit etc. Might be worth a try.

x220 got libreboot support tho