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The complete guide to premium vs expensive sandpaper.
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@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Purchase these products today for 20% off. Using these links helps support the channel 3M 775L - lddy.no/1dszo 3M 710W - lddy.no/1dszp 3M 310W - lddy.no/1dszq Pad Saver - lddy.no/1dszr
@johnjingleheimersmith9259
@johnjingleheimersmith9259 7 месяцев назад
so what about carbide sanding discs like those from Duragrit? Seems like they should be superior in most areas. Stumpynubs made a recommendation for them a few years back. I've never had a chance to use them but imagine it could be a game changer as far as material removal is concerned. Not sure why we're still using crap glued to paper or even mesh when we have literal discs of rough metal now.
@WoodcraftBySuman
@WoodcraftBySuman Год назад
Rough topic. Smooth delivery.
@bruceregittko7068
@bruceregittko7068 Год назад
Yes, a gritty performance
@CeeJayThe13th
@CeeJayThe13th Год назад
Eyyy
@ykkfamily
@ykkfamily Год назад
Hahahaha
@Saskajohn
@Saskajohn Год назад
Quick comment. Amazing work
@pentagram313
@pentagram313 Год назад
You win
@AlAmantea
@AlAmantea Год назад
As a professional woodworker and carpenter, I've used just about every type and style of sandpaper out there. As soon as 3m released the 710W I spent close to $800 in sandpaper acquiring every grit I needed. This was after using my very first sample disc. The 710W is hands down the finest disc out there, and most definitely the most cost effective sanding solution. For those of you on a tight budget, I highly recommend you save the pennies and get the 710W. Over time, you will put more cash in your pocket. Cheap sandpaper is just that. Cheap. Remember... The sander is the MACHINE. The PAPER is the TOOL. Quality tools ALWAYS have a better experience, work faster, and cost LESS over time.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Couldn't have said it any better myself. The 710 really is an incredible product
@post-leftluddite
@post-leftluddite 6 месяцев назад
Try Norton's Blaze line....what do you have to lose?
@HyperionBadger
@HyperionBadger 3 месяца назад
I generally sand pine with a cordless sander without dust collection. Would you recommend the 710W for my application?
@woodworking4459
@woodworking4459 23 дня назад
Thank you 😊
@CeeJayThe13th
@CeeJayThe13th Год назад
I just want to say that I appreciate you including Gator brand. I'm on a pretty tight budget (almost all of my big tools were gifts, sometimes I have trouble being able to just get some wood to work with) so Gator is what I always go with since it's cheap and readily available. I knew it sucked but didn't know how much!
@idhatemet00
@idhatemet00 Год назад
@@MKRM27 he's not sponsored by 3m dingus, and the gator brand ends up costing more in the long run...
@jeremybirmingham2316
@jeremybirmingham2316 Год назад
@@idhatemet00 I'm not sure why you are calling CeeJay a dingus. In the comment you are replying to they don't claim that the video is sponsored, and they say that Gator is crap, and were glad to discover it more expensive in the long run. Or the original comment has been edited, or I am missing something, or you owe someone an apology.
@idhatemet00
@idhatemet00 Год назад
@@jeremybirmingham2316 that's because i wasn't replying to ceejay, the person i responded to deleted their comment apparently lol
@vicquickenden4379
@vicquickenden4379 Год назад
At the end of the day I’m more concerned with finish than cost of material removed. What motivated me to use the 710w was the lack of noticeable scratches left behind. Like you have noted on previous videos is that a persons time is important. For me it is far more important than a bit of money, to have to go back & re-sand by hand after finding swirl marks or scratches negates any price difference. Thanks for the video, as usual great job!!
@Bapuji42
@Bapuji42 Год назад
It was the 310W that had no visible scratches.
@vicquickenden4379
@vicquickenden4379 Год назад
Yep, but after trying several types & brands of sanding mediums I settled on the 710w for the reasons I wrote above. Most consistent results.
@thenext9537
@thenext9537 Год назад
YES. The 710 is love. Once you try it, it's so much better by light years compared to something like Gator or festool or even mirka. I think tool brands should not mess with sandpaper. 3m has it on lock!
@Mike-bh7sh
@Mike-bh7sh Год назад
So what grit are you people sanding to on your sanders to avoid swirls? I'm guessing at LEAST 220? Might suggest that you actually might save time by sanding to a lower grit and then hand sanding, rather than going to a high grit to avoid hand sanding.
@michaelconroy8060
@michaelconroy8060 10 месяцев назад
I think tool people trying to get in the sandpaper business is partially what probably helped drive such innovations....@@thenext9537
@tharemyhopkins5873
@tharemyhopkins5873 Год назад
Thanks! Over the last few months I've made over 100 cutting boards and seems like I get the best results with the 710 for all the faces, then switch to a 775 disc for doing all of the edges, for all the exact reasons you mentioned. I had not heard of the 310, yet, I will go check it out!
@bhough410
@bhough410 Год назад
Have made dozens of cutting boards the last few months lately too. You should def try diablo sandnet!
@ronhochhalter3491
@ronhochhalter3491 Год назад
The sandpaper revolution in woodworking lately is quite interesting. My father was an auto body repairman and painter by trade and never used anything but 3M sandpaper. I literally have old stock of 3M sandpaper passed down to me that probably outdates most of you watching this video. As a woodworker I've tried serval different types and brands of sandpaper. Honestly all of them get the job done on wood, but recently have decided to go back to the trusty 3M paper. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into your presentations. My first question/concern would be considering the material you're trying to sand. Every species of wood is different unlike sanding other materials such as a painted piece of sheet metal found on an automobile. Why do I bring up this point? I'm not an industry insider but I'm willing to assume that 3M develops its products for the people that use their products the most. The amount of sandpaper used by DIY woodworkers versus the automotive industry is negotiable. The weekend warrior makers can definitely benefit from the premium products that 3M has to offer, if it fits into your budget. But splitting hairs over little fine scratches seems excessive, especially when you can overcome these obstacles with patience. The vast majority of people working in a home garage could probably care less one way or the other as long as it looks acceptable. But I digress. For us woodworkers there are so many possibilities when it comes to fit and finish unlike an automobile that has to be absolutely perfect once the paint is applied. I could be wrong but companies like 3M develop their products to suit the needs of the most demanding sector of the industry. That is where the real laboratory tests exist. There's definitely a place for premium tools and materials in the woodworking shop. I appreciate all the information regarding these topics. It's definitely entertaining to hear about other people's experiences.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Yep, 3Ms cubitron was developed for industrial applications like you said. Automotive and aerospace like you said. Most people assumed it was too aggressive for wood because it wasn't developed for that. If you're doing commission work, I wouldn't sell a tabletop with those scratches for instances. They are def noticeable. At the end of the day we all want to sand less
@drstefankrank
@drstefankrank Год назад
@@Lincolnstww Then just use the cubitron until the last grid. Saves you time and gives you the finish. TBH, not sure if that will work well, but it could be worth a try.
@Dgc2003
@Dgc2003 Год назад
In the future when talking about multiple products with names like 775L and 710W it would be a big help to have an image of the product when mentioning it. During the ranking of surface quality portion I had a hell of a time keeping track of which name matched which disc.
@rangerrick2246
@rangerrick2246 3 месяца назад
you mean its too difficult to record the video????? or you're unable to make notes? He showed each one as he talked about it..... maybe you need to follow the script too
@robohippy
@robohippy Год назад
Hmm, interesting. I am mostly a bowl turner. In experimenting some time ago, I found that with the Mirka/woven type of abrasives, in grits up to about 180 or 220, they were much slower than the full cover abrasives. Over 220, there was no difference that I could tell. I don't have the fancy things to be able to exactly measure grams for differences.... One abrasive not here is a blue abrasive, maybe 'Deer' logo, that I get from VinceswondNwonders. I believe there is some ceramic abrasive particles in it. I had Vince make me some discs to fit my 5 inch Festool sander. It is the longest lasting abrasive I have found for sanding bowls, frequently getting several bowls out of one set of discs, rather than maybe one bowl per disc. or some that were just the inside of a bowl with one disc. My favorite saying about 'when to change' discs was some thing like 'use sanding discs like my 2 year old uses toilet paper', or 'like some one else is buying it'. You lose time using dull abrasives. I do keep the rubber eraser sticks handy, and they help extend the life once in a while. The cubitron is only available in 2 and 3 inch discs. The ones I get from Vince are 2 3/8 and 3 3/8, so they lap over the edge of the 'interface' pad, which is what we call the cheap pad that we can waste rather than the main mandrill. Oh, the hooks can leave serious scratches on a finished piece. You can not remove 80 grit scratches with 220, unless you want to sand for hours. If I start at 80, next is 100, 120, 150, 180, 220, and with my bowls I go to 400. Grits above about 600 to 700 or so are invisible to the human eye. The finer grits are more 'polishing out scratches' rather than sanding and removing stock. Paint grade stuff, 150 max grit. Surface finish, 220. Wipe on finishes, however high you want to go. Not sure where a hand planed surface is in this list... One turner said, "Never take a finished piece from the shop into the house on a sunny day. Sun light causes scratches." I prefer the natural light type of lamps for seeing scratches. A raking angle does help. Oh, cheap reading glasses from the big box stores are okay, but not good after a while, you need glasses from an optometrist.
@andywhtwo000
@andywhtwo000 Год назад
I used Mirka for years in auto body. A pad saver is a must though a net backed discs still is useful for non vacuum systems as they keep the media cooler thus longer life.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Yep - dont sand without one! The mirka sander is so comfortable
@MFJ-ru7kk
@MFJ-ru7kk Месяц назад
Enjoyed the video and learned useful information. I’m not a woodworker, but I do various DIY projects in and outside my house. Watched 15-20 of your videos and they are engaging, have nice “story composition” (for lack of a better term), and I learn from them. I’ll never be a woodworker, but thanks to woodworking videos such as yours, I am working more efficiently and effectively on the silly projects I do. Really appreciate your videos. Thanks
@lavalleguitars
@lavalleguitars 7 месяцев назад
Yep, I am one of those who uses sandpaper until it's just paper. I go through so much of it, that I keep some for later use ... albeit it might not cut as much, but in the times that I use it the scraps are worth getting every cent out of the paper. Great video, thanks!
@grizzlygrizzle
@grizzlygrizzle 7 месяцев назад
Me too. I do mostly hand sanding, and spent years restoring century-old wooden entryways on brownstones in Boston, and there was no way to use power sanders on them, except on some small areas that were flat. For hand sanding, I found Norton Pro-Sand sheets to work the best for me. And I save the small scraps, too.
@lavalleguitars
@lavalleguitars 7 месяцев назад
@@grizzlygrizzle I should have lead with that, that I do mostly hand sanding. I'll rough down some wood with a palm sander, but after that it is all by hand ....
@thenext9537
@thenext9537 Год назад
The 710w is great. On lower grits, I will use something else like 310, but higher grits I'll use the 710. Dust collection obviously needed on the finer grits no doubt.
@playablecharacter3871
@playablecharacter3871 Год назад
I love this video. I work in a cabinet shop sanding a lot of poplar lumber and birch plywood and I have questions about the intricacies of it, even though we use vibrate sanders, but no one else really thinks about it enough to teach me cause they just want it to be over haha
@bertfransman9864
@bertfransman9864 Год назад
I bought all kind of grits( 80-300) of the 710W for a staircase renovation. Here in Europe they can be had for under €0.50 per disc (around €23 per packet of 50 discs) and it holds up better than anything I tested, including abranet, Bosch nets & festool, who are all magnitudes more expensive. If 3M is keeping this up they will own the sandpaper disc market in a matter of years.
@mlrodenburg1990
@mlrodenburg1990 Год назад
Which variety of Abranet did you use? I got the Abranet ACE (ceramic abrasive) and I'm in doubt switching to the 710W. Mostly end grain sanding, some general purpose work. Please advise :)
@bertfransman9864
@bertfransman9864 Год назад
@@mlrodenburg1990 Ik denk dat het de gewone Abranets waren, maar ben niet zeker want de doos is intussen al weer een jaartje op. Was ook meer dan prima schuurpapier, niet slechter als 3M imo, gewoon veel duurder. Zeker geen reden om abranets buiten te gooien, de 710W gaat geen merkbaar beter resultaat geven. Ik heb 3m gewoon bij slijpexpert gekocht, maar zie dat het intussen ook al weer wat euro's duurder is. Wel nog steeds rond 55cent per schijf,
@JimHester
@JimHester Год назад
Honestly, the biggest problem I've had with the 710W while connected to dust collection is that the sander literally wants to stick to the work piece because of the suction thru the sanding disc. This happens on either my Bosch GET75-6N or the cordless Bosch GEX18V-5N with the cordless sander being by far "stickier" than the 6" sander. On the 5", I get the same effect with the Diablo mesh discs, too (It's the only other mesh disc I've tried). I suspect the 5" cordless wants to stick more because it's much lighter-weight than the 6". In fact, I tend to skip the dust collector altogether when using the cordless Bosch because it extracts pretty well already, and with the 710W, it's even better.
@SICresinwrks
@SICresinwrks Год назад
I usually purchase more expensive sandpaper because of past experience where it outlasts cheaper stuff, but recently i bought some off Amazon pretty cheap for a small project i was doing with my kid. this sandpaper is surprisingly good and ill be ordering more just to have on hand
@pocketlint82
@pocketlint82 Год назад
Great info! My time sanding is the most important factor to me behind a good finish. I originally bought a planer just so I could start with a more uniform, smoother surface on rough boards and cut down on sanding time. I was willing to spend $600 to not sand for hours. Added benefit of making them all the same thickness
@tomdenny8507
@tomdenny8507 Год назад
I had never heard the word "mattering" before. I looked it up and it is a real word. That's what I learned from this. Oh, about sandpaper, I sand until it is smooth enough and don't get too hung up on cost. But that's just me.
@bartoryzah8047
@bartoryzah8047 Год назад
Thanks for the great info once again. Always my man to watch when I actually want a genuine review or someone to break down what I need when I am not sure what I need.
@rexassian
@rexassian Год назад
I would love to see a comparison between the 310w and the box store diablo sand net disks.
@danieltolman7249
@danieltolman7249 Год назад
Please do a comparison, as I use 80 120 and 400 grit for my Myrtle wood Charcuterie, and cutting boards. I fact anything I need to smooth. Thank you for considering this test.
@TheNewJankyWorkshop
@TheNewJankyWorkshop Год назад
I hate sanding… but the new Diablo SandNet is my new fave. Seems to last 3 to 5 times longer than traditional old-school sandpaper.
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA Год назад
Aluminum Oxide is a hardness of 9. for sanding wood the hardness is not the issue it's the shape, size, and distribution of the grit. Another is the adhesive, closed or open face.
@scottc3626
@scottc3626 Год назад
I noticed the 775L would not stick to the hook and loop pad on my Milwaukee sander (brand new pad). Would constantly fly off across the room whenever it had the chance. Never had tyhat problem with any other sandpaper. The 710W doesn't seem to have that problem is shockingly fast at material removal compared to the Klingspor discs I had been using. Very happy with the 710
@gbear056
@gbear056 Год назад
You have just jumped into rarefied air, my friend. I place you in the same category as James Hamilton (Stumpy Nubs) and Jonathon Katz-Moses when it comes to the explanation of woodworking science. Well done.
@CP-mb7ly
@CP-mb7ly Год назад
Yay Stumpy, Boo JKM. He's a pompous douche nozzle
@gbear056
@gbear056 Год назад
@@CP-mb7ly I hear you loud and clear C P. Consequently, I’ve learned to focus on content, not the presenter.
@CP-mb7ly
@CP-mb7ly Год назад
@@gbear056 That's unfortunate. I prefer not to support content creators that degrade their viewers, just my preference.
@gbear056
@gbear056 Год назад
@@CP-mb7ly thanks C P. It’s food for thought. I may have to rethink my views. There are certainly a multitude of other creators out there!
@CP-mb7ly
@CP-mb7ly Год назад
@@gbear056 there's definitely a fair amount that don't take out their frustrations on their viewers in the comments :-) cheers!
@austinfry4138
@austinfry4138 Год назад
I like the little tip about drawing all over the board with a pencil before sanding it. I have a bad habbit of forgetting what does and doesn't need sanded. So thats a good way to know whats been done already and to help me so I dont over sand an area. Just move on once the pencil marks are gone.
@OGSauceDaddy
@OGSauceDaddy Год назад
use a pencil. The ink from certain ball point pens soaks in too deep
@brianhawes3115
@brianhawes3115 Год назад
I used to hate sanding, the dust, noise, frustration, then I got a Festool sander and dust extractor, and I love sanding now. Turns out that removing the dust at the source makes a better finish, I’ve gone from sanding to the finish room without vacuuming or wiping
@tac1058
@tac1058 Год назад
Mirka sander and Abranet discs have been a life changer after 30 years of building furniture
@platypus4267
@platypus4267 Год назад
Another thing to consider: Sandpaper doesn't just stop working when it gets dull. It starts cutting as if it's a higher grit than what's printed on the label. So a low quality disk will leave a "smoother" finish for the same amount of sanding-time than a good disk, just because the good disk is still sharp and cutting true to its grit level.
@fancraft1266
@fancraft1266 9 месяцев назад
I don't think so. When your sandpaper becomes dull, it will sand slower, but the grits that are still on the sandpaper are the same sise as when the sandpaper was new.
@wayneyadams
@wayneyadams Год назад
1:23 Grits are a corn product that is buttered and eaten with all kinds of foods. The very best way is to butter them, then cut and mix fried eggs in them. It's a southern thing. I was visiting s friend in Connecticut years ago and saw grits on the menu. They served it in a bowl like cereal and I grossed out my friend when I dumped them out on the plate, buttered them and proceeded to mix them with the fried eggs. 🤣😂😅😆 That stuff on sandpaper may be called grit, but it tastes terrible and really "ain't" edible.
@jonr6540
@jonr6540 Год назад
I do a lot of hand sanding while wood turning and have tried the 3M disks for that. They seem to remove material extremely well but also dull quickly in that application.
@audetnicolas
@audetnicolas 11 месяцев назад
One interesting test would be about dust extraction. You weigh the board before sanding and after. You weigh the dust collected (in the bin + change of weight of the filter). Dust collected / board weight loss is extraction efficiency. On its own it probably isn't a useful measure, because it depends on the kit that you are using for dust extraction, but you can certainly compare the different sanding papers that way. The intuition would be that some backing materials are more porous than others, maybe the size of the dust particles depend on the grit material. Whatever could help to reduce the airborne dust in the shop would be helpful.
@JediHagrid
@JediHagrid Год назад
This video keeps showing in my YT recommendations. I like this channel well enough but I'm not in the market for sandpaper at the moment so I've just ignored it. However, each time I see it, it has a different thumbnail. I guess this one finally worked because here I am. Keep up the good work.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Glad I finally got ya!
@Rusty_ok
@Rusty_ok Год назад
Wow this is a complete detailed report. This should be the science channel.
@petevonschondorf4609
@petevonschondorf4609 Год назад
oh thanks, I didn't know what I didn't know, now I have no excuse except continue to be stupid or be enlightened. Will work on being enlightened, but hopefully not from the light at the end of a tunnel. After all there may be a train or a bus. Really enjoy your videos.
@willchoate7072
@willchoate7072 Год назад
So... I watched the whole video.wher is the 7 cent upgrade?
@tremolobar
@tremolobar Год назад
Your video made me switch from a bulk Menards pack to the 3M sanding pads. I love the performance! Thanks!
@kellyb7321
@kellyb7321 Год назад
Thank you for this video and the testing. The sandpaper options can be kind of overwhelming and it seems to be a subject a lot of people gloss over. I've been using some Amazon variety pack cheap sandpaper without dust extraction. Now I've ordered some 3M products and am excited to see what kind of difference they make.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
You wont ever look back
@noneofyourbusiness2726
@noneofyourbusiness2726 Год назад
I know every youtuber love the orbital sander but a forgotten fact is sand with the grain. You will use much less sandpaper and be able to skip more grits if you avoid the swirls of orbital sanding. Square sander for the win.
@Kosh42EFG
@Kosh42EFG Год назад
Yay! A RU-vid video that means I stay with my current product instead of buying new!
@jarett484
@jarett484 Год назад
Im only 3 minutes into the video and holy F you dont overthink anything. Awesome man! So cool.
@tlynch918
@tlynch918 Год назад
Another hot Saturday night: I’m in the kitchen watching a video about *sand paper*! We’ll done. Thanks for the info.
@alexpatton9077
@alexpatton9077 Год назад
I've been wondering about these higher end disc's for a while. Great video and really informative!
@frenchie_maple
@frenchie_maple Год назад
Jesus that's a comprehensive video! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks brother!
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
You got it!
@mrrberger
@mrrberger Год назад
On Sanding anything not just built, especially painted pieces, cheapest unit disc the better. Disc clog, hitting nails, soft putties, rusted steel, pad life is not grit life it's backing life. All these tests in flat, sap hardened dry long grain hardwood is so narrow a test. Sanding down an outside door and adding a hardwood toe strip covers most of the situations. You'll hit nails and maybe the latch plate, clog with water and oil based paints, then flatten the endgrain in several positions, edge dig the pad for long moulding sanding and finally when it's had its first recoat of paint you'll knock down some missed sharp edges. the pile of discs will be 90% clogged and torn and 10% lost tooth. when you look at cost (time and dollars) of doing it at home, sticking with cheap discs is the path, beats strippers, heatguns, and super performance cutting discs.
@Mr.GucciClass1A
@Mr.GucciClass1A Год назад
Thanks for the Sandpaper PSA. I’m just left with one questions: “which one would you use/buy if you only had one choice and $ was not a factor?” You’re so freaking awesome!!!!! Fun, funny, informative.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Hey bud hope you're doing well. 710w is the best all-around in my opinion
@Mr.GucciClass1A
@Mr.GucciClass1A Год назад
@@Lincolnstww I’m doing well brother man, hope you are too. Thanks for the feedback. That is what I needed to know. 👍🏽 Happy Holidays!
@TokyoLlama
@TokyoLlama Год назад
Thanks for this. Found that they sell the 310w here in Japan so will give it a try (will use on Hinoki cypress, quite resinous).
@puppydoc7949
@puppydoc7949 Год назад
You repeatedly apologize to those using battery powered sanders with regards to dust collection. I’m confused because I have at least 3 battery powered sanders that connect to dust collection. And I find the dust collection to be quite good.
@lupenielsen
@lupenielsen Год назад
I just finished binge watching all of the videos in your channel, and yours is one of my favorite channels on RU-vid. You are informative, entertaining and I love your sense of humor. Your research and information on sandpapers will save me a lot in an upcoming project. Thank you for you wonderful content. May the Force be with you. Stay well! ❤️🤗👍🏼
@JohnKruse
@JohnKruse 10 месяцев назад
The Wyoming ball cap caught my eye. Nice.
@hardnox6655
@hardnox6655 Год назад
Thanks for sharing. Great info! I've been using 3M 710 for the last year or so and am extremely pleased.
@erichaskell
@erichaskell Год назад
I always sand using a high intensity led portable light to illuminate scratches.
@Wordsnwood
@Wordsnwood Год назад
Lots of good info here, thanks. I sand way too often w/out a vacuum. I have a crappy shop vac because I'm too cheap to buy a better on... Need to get shopping.
@dangkolache
@dangkolache Год назад
The pad saver is basically required in some cases, like my old dewalt sander. I bought some 710w a while back when WittWorks talked about it but I didn't know about the pad and it barely sticks to my dewalt's hook and loop at all, basically unusable. Taytools is sold out of it currently, so now I'm using my old shitty amazon discs for now until I can get my hands on a pad saver. Since I bought it, WW made another video talking about this very issue.
@DudeSawdust
@DudeSawdust Год назад
Mind is spinning with all those numbers. What I learned was sandpaper has come a long way. Great video. And amazing research BTW👏
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Thank you!
@Snausages32
@Snausages32 Год назад
Great content. I'd like to see a chart or some sort of breakdown at the end - for those of us that don't take notes mid-video.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Good call!
@bhough410
@bhough410 Год назад
6:18 Diablo sandnet enters the chat.
@watermain48
@watermain48 Год назад
I really enjoy your no BS approach to You Tube. Thanks.
@astronemir
@astronemir Год назад
I constantly use soft Swedish pine so this is super helpful and relevant, thanks
@mbrymckinney1
@mbrymckinney1 Год назад
I love the 710w because I can use it with my Festool sander without having to buy their proprietary discs. Also, Taylor Toolworks rocks.
@Jonacarpenter
@Jonacarpenter Год назад
Thank you for all the information. OHHHHH I tried to get the 20% off, I didn't follow you 7 months ago, but I do now. And thank you so much for the information. I'm going to contact the sponsor, to see if they make a more 'fixed unit' to run some strings of LED back yard lights and a speaker set up with an option of drawing power from the live wires, but primarily the solar since we get plenty of sun and have all kinds of plant lights, but would like the strings of lights...... and a few other little things tied in. Keep up the good work and I'm going to see your 'new channel' I think it is... I haven't watched the whole 'retirement' video...but I'm hoping you're not leaving. Because you are one of the better Hosts and Shows out there. Do you do 'suggestions' for a show that is not done yet? A topic not covered? Have a good one and I've got to purchase a t-shirt, for some folks, I showed them one of your logos and now they think I'm going to purchase them.....🤔🤣
@mikedurkee7296
@mikedurkee7296 Год назад
Very much enjoy your delivery, sense of humor, and more importantly your teaching.... and just for the record "A New Hope" (original of course) was the best (my humble opinion).
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Oh no - not a new hope
@christopherberry8519
@christopherberry8519 Год назад
1. Sanders that supply cool air to the center of the sandpaper such as Mirka, festool and some metabo - ALL push sawdust to the outer holes batter and make sandpaper with any center hole last longer. 2. The true calculation of sandpaper value to me is cost, uniformity of sanding over 1 hours, finish and dust - not in any order all sandpaper must achieve a great balance of all the above. Did I miss one? I believe that Autonet nails my preferences BUT SO DO A LOT OF OTHERS
@NathanBilbao
@NathanBilbao Год назад
And another one. Thank you for getting straight to the point. Love the less than subtle shade throwing.
@scottawade
@scottawade Год назад
Premium delivery, thx!
@CoreyShockey
@CoreyShockey Год назад
Thanks for the in depth analysis of what really goes on with the cheaper sandpaper vs the more expensive options. Like most folks I'm not adverse to a bargain, but it is only a bargain if it works. I was curious about the old time sandpaper clogging remedy of cleaning the wood residue off with a rubber block. My grandfather used to swear it doubled the life of the paper. I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
I use the eraser all the time. I've never tested the actual impact of it though. I'm sure it can't hurt given its removing pitch and allowing the abrasives to make better contact with the wood.
@OakHillMillworks
@OakHillMillworks Год назад
Great video, Jon. I watched it because Suman’s stories told me to! I have always preferred the 710W over the 775L and have yet to try the new 310W.
@johnpatterson9829
@johnpatterson9829 11 дней назад
Clear and very helpful, thank you very much.
@Emily_M81
@Emily_M81 Год назад
...I did not know pad savers existed. I have a squishy foam pad on my orbital since I often sand on curvy stuff (guitar things). Thanks for sharing!
@Gandalf0056
@Gandalf0056 Год назад
How about a video comparing orbital sanders to vibrating sanders? Which should I buy?
@johnmclain6535
@johnmclain6535 Год назад
Sigh...I feel like a chump for buying that Abranet now. Just bought the 775 and the 310W. Thanks man!!
@hoongfu
@hoongfu Год назад
Love the humor man. Keep it up! Oh yea the tips and science were helpful too.
@_Rikk_
@_Rikk_ Год назад
so glad you did this.....
@joewehner9837
@joewehner9837 Год назад
Great information! You're like the Alton Brown of woodworking 😁
@mriguy3202
@mriguy3202 Год назад
Excellent information, a true service to the community. In the grams per dollar testing, the defect in comparison was the effective grit size of various brands. A lower grit number will always remove more material than a higher grit number; how do we know that the grit scale is consistent from one brand to another, or even from one lot to the next within a single manufacturer? Your testing went several steps in the right direction.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Thank you! There are standards that each company must meet to label grits. This helps create consistency from one brand to the next. I can't remember the exact names of the organization that monitors this - I read about it a while back. But there are industry standards.
@monkeyboysworkshop
@monkeyboysworkshop Год назад
I suppose I better check this 3M malarkey that you and everyone else is raving about 😜 great video as always Jon 🤙🏻
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Thanks Sam. You will toss all of your granat after trying the 710w
@bsw051
@bsw051 Год назад
I just found this channel yesterday. I guess i know which pad your using on your newset video 👀
@Matt-my7pz
@Matt-my7pz 20 дней назад
On fire welding is all about cubitron grinding discs
@lwgrantsmom1603
@lwgrantsmom1603 Год назад
The timing of this video as it relates to me is uncanny. Yesterday I purchased a 5 foot long solid wood fireplace mantle on FB Marketplace for only $20. It was a hideous shade of orange stain, with both a glossy topcoat and faux “distressing”. Today I had fun sanding it down to bare wood (pine). I used my cheapo 5” Ryobi orbital sander, and a pack of Diablo SandNet discs. (Picked up from HD a few months ago, $20 for a pack of 60!) Because the piece was solid pine, I went ahead and used these 80 grit discs. According to the package, they are made of “Premium Ceramic Blend”. Then for comparison I got out my ancient box purchased 10 years ago of 40 grit Bosch discs. OMG. Even with the coarser grit, they hardly removed anything. The SandNet discs work so fast and I got to bare wood within seconds. The whole 5’ mantle took under an hour to bare wood. I didn’t realize I should use a vacuum, I skipped doing so because my 12g RIDGID is bulky, cumbersome, and noisy. (My next purchase is definitely going to be a Festool dust extractor!) Also, I didn’t know these need a extra padding layer. There was one at the bottom of the box! Next time, I’ll use it! Thanks for all the great info! Very happy with the Diablo SandNet discs. I did go through 12 of them but at 3/$1, it was only $4. I’ll be donating the Bosch discs to my local Habitat Restore.
@gunningopher
@gunningopher Год назад
Great and informative video. One thing you might take a look at are the graphs you had at the beginning. You were talking about cost per gram but the chart showed wood per 25 minutes. This higher number in the graph (amount of wood removed) is basically a good thing, while the higher number in you description (cost per gram) is a bad thing. The magnitude of each sample is sort of backwards to what you were saying. You were describing it correctly, but I think it would have helped to have a graph that displayed your data. Not a big deal, but the graphs went so quickly it isn't easy to discern that they are different and potentially misleading. Is they reason you said 'sorry' to the battery powered guys (me most of the time) is because we would have to tether to a vacuum hose or is there some other inherent drawback that I'm not aware of?
@gerbilbits
@gerbilbits Год назад
Out of curiosity what is the stroke of your sander? The Mirka screens are my go to, I use festool ets ec 150/3
@larryhill6187
@larryhill6187 Год назад
I have seen several videos on sanding discs. Most topics are cost and material removal. If those that provide these informative videos if you want to sell me try using a surfometer or profileometer to prove the quality of the surface
@HLXanthus
@HLXanthus Год назад
Surpised you didnt mention Norton MeshPower abrasive discs. I use them a lot on my commercial hardwood floor projects and definitely the best bang for the buck at $0.67 a piece for 5" discs!! Price is important when you have to sand 10k sf for intercoat abrasion!
@SpencleyDesignCo
@SpencleyDesignCo Год назад
thanks for the excellent video jon! great info in here!
@midwestengimaker8443
@midwestengimaker8443 Год назад
American Flag noodle boards. lol! Shots fired!
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
;)
@SkibidiWaPaPaPaPa
@SkibidiWaPaPaPaPa Год назад
I had a feeling you are a tribesman! Great video
@StArFuRyZz
@StArFuRyZz Год назад
I make cutting boards and use the 710W for the flat surfaces, it sands fast and gives me a nice finish. I use one of the Amazon brands - something Gold - for the corners. I found the 710W grit falls off when doing edges. The overall finish is great and I haven't noticed any scratch patterns.
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Yep - the 775L might be worth looking into for the corners. Its crazy durable
@lauchlanstill6677
@lauchlanstill6677 Год назад
3m stuff is all fantastic I love their stuff
@Willzfrugal
@Willzfrugal Год назад
Just ordered some of those 3m discs. Sounded good to me.
@KerryHallPhD
@KerryHallPhD Год назад
I love the Vinnie references. Definitely gonna try the 310W on my American flag noodle boards
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
One of my favorite movies. Nothing beats those USA stove top covers!
@johnnycab8986
@johnnycab8986 5 месяцев назад
Mirka discs dull very quickly. Best sanding abrasives are Eagle Super Assilex and Bufflex.
@ugenegareth9339
@ugenegareth9339 Месяц назад
I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, O Lord, show this also to thy servant: whether after death, as soon as every one of us yields up his soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when thou wilt renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?" 76 He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not be associated with those who have shown scorn, nor number yourself among those who are tormented. 77 For you have a treasure of works laid up with the Most High; but it will not be shown to you until the last times. 78 Now, concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone forth from the Most High that a man shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High. 79 And if it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, and who have despised his law, and who have hated those who fear the Most High -- 80 such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, ever grieving and sad, in seven ways. 81 The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High. 82 The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance that they may live. 83 The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High. 84 The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. 85 The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. 86 The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will pass over into torments. 87 The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the Most High before whom they sinned while they were alive, and before whom they are to be judged in the last times. 88 "Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. 89 During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour, that they might keep the law of the Lawgiver perfectly. 90 Therefore this is the teaching concerning them: 91 First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders. 92 The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought which was formed with them, that it might not lead them astray from life into death. 93 The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the unrighteous wander, and the punishment that awaits them. 94 The third order, they see the witness which he who formed them bears concerning them, that while they were alive they kept the law which was given them in trust. 95 The fourth order, they understand the rest which they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory which awaits them in the last days. 96 The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible, and shall inherit what is to come; and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty which they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. 97 The sixth order, when it is shown to them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. 98 The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they hasten to behold the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified. 99 This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the aforesaid are the ways of torment which those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter." 100 I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?" 101 He said to me, "They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterwards they shall be gathered in their habitations." 102 I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, show further to me, thy servant, whether on the day of judgment the righteous will be able to intercede for the unrighteous or to entreat the Most High for them, 103 fathers for sons or sons for parents, brothers for brothers, relatives for their kinsmen, or friends for those who are most dear." 104 He answered me and said, "Since you have found favor in my sight, I will show you this also. The day of judgment is decisive and displays to all the seal of truth. Just as now a father does not send his son, or a son his father, or a master his servant, or a friend his dearest friend, to be ill or sleep or eat or be healed in his stead, 105 so no one shall ever pray for another on that day, neither shall any one lay a burden on another; for then every one shall bear his own righteousness and unrighteousness." .....2 Esdras 7:75 ////////////
@zachc1
@zachc1 Год назад
Very nice. Thank you for the details. Especially who should be using what disc. Good work.
@onehandedmaker
@onehandedmaker Год назад
Greetings from Australia. Love your channel and content! Have subscribed and will watch more of your work. Regards One Handed Maker
@sandymclea
@sandymclea Год назад
I'm watching this to learn about all the sandpaper I can't by where I live. I can get bosch though 😞 . But thanks. I think it's a good idea to run a test on what's available.
@larryatha3221
@larryatha3221 Год назад
I wonder why you didn’t consider 3M 216U “Fre-Cut Gold”? It’s favored by luthiers for surface prep.
@eddiebauer5976
@eddiebauer5976 Год назад
Appreciate the video and insights - always enjoy your content and take on things. Based on your previous videos I know you aren’t trying to do videos on the reg, but I always look forward to them!
@Lincolnstww
@Lincolnstww Год назад
Thank you!
@markfrancis4756
@markfrancis4756 Год назад
gritty delivery. Love it
@GooseWoodworking
@GooseWoodworking Год назад
Great video and appreciated the informative comparison and summary of the 'model #'s' of the various 3M discs with cubitron.
@HardKnockDesignandBuild
@HardKnockDesignandBuild Год назад
Solid video as always sir. Appreciate them, and you. Keep it up!
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