This $800 Cinema Camera is Fantastic! 

Honestly yes. I haven't thought about new cameras since I got an Ursa Mini 4.6k some years ago and realized it was up to me to make things look good. After learning a lot more, I realized how much more capable my less expensive cameras had been the whole time. Now it's hard to watch people obsess over new cameras with marginally better specs... just buy more lights and save up a production design budget if you want to make something that actually comes across like a film.

Totally agree. Well said. ☕👏

@@ConnerMainChannel nicely said. I also recently went through a period of discovering that my old camera is a lot better than my skills give it credit for

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KK9FlPejcc8.html shot on f3

And for full daylight shooting, low ISOs. My cellphone has a native ISO of 40, and it produces AMAZING colors. My Canon with a native ISO of 100... not so much.

TV isn't the only medium now though (thankfully). And remember, ATSC3 is just around the corner.

I mean Netflix already demands 4k so maybe it's closer than you think

Let's be honest here : almost nobody shooting in 4K actually need to shoot in 4K. Netflix will ask that you deliver in 4K - alright, alright... but that's only because they want to offer 4K streaming. And no one but a few individual can actually stream 4K... because it takes and in-sa-ne bandwith, a 4K screen, 4K cables, and insane connection stability. Very, very few people have this. The vast majority who "stream in 4K" *think* they stream in 4K, but in fact, they're *not*. "4K" just became a go-to marketing term that impresses anyone who doesn't know anything about this business. The vast majority of 4K cameras are cheap as hell, and pixel density is the *last thing that matters*. Stream Netflix's Altered Carbon at 540p and you'll get what I'm saying. The dynamic range from the large-format Arri that have been used in this series for the first time is so insane, your eyes forget about the pixels anyway, since this is motion picture... and yes, if I concentrate I can see pixels in 1080p. But it doesn't bother me to have a no more than an ok wifi when I watch Netflix because what matters is the lighting, lens choice, focus-pulling and dynamic range of the camera and nothing more. The whole "I got a 4K camera and I can bake-in a LUT so I'm a DP now" thing just gets me real fed-up.

@Andres Bonilla Network news may as well film in 240p to hide any truth of this world

obviously never worked for Netflix lol (i take your point though, and the chances of landing a lucrative Netflix deal are very small for us indies, if we're even aiming for that)

Did not expect to find you here :)

Do you shoot 444 with it? I have one without it and I would love to have the 444 because I have a pix e5 that would get me up to 4444XQ. Is it worth it to sell mine and get one with the upgrade?

@@josuenunez5353 If you can keep the cost to you low I think it is. Incredible image at 4:4:4

your stuff looks great

@@AlexHodgins Thank you!

@@josuenunez5353 Honestly most of the time I just shoot internal for the sake of quick turnaround/ storage. I've found that the difference between the external 10 bit files are a big jump from internal 8 bit, but the 12 bit 444 files aren't a big image jump over the 10 bit.

Extremely disappointing, I was ready to buy one until I looked it up :(

And it's not much different in the USA. No idea how the uploader claims to have purchased this camera for $800. Clickbait I assume.

@@crimebodge7274 A Sony F3 is only usually around 800-1k on ebay.

@@crimebodge7274 www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PMW-F3L-Camcorder-with-4-4-4-RGB-option-CASE-AND-BATTERY-INCLUDED/254780463657?epid=113366523&hash=item3b52195a29:g:SpIAAOSwAu5fswaR found this for 1k easily within 5mins, is this the same camera?

LENS

In other words date your cameras, marry your lens 😊

@@HankMiner scandalous 😉

Bought a new old stock FS100 (Sony with same sensor as the F5) last year.. Went a bit nuts on (vintage) lenses. But the quality... :0

Ryan Michaels why invest in glass if sony’s slog never grades well?

@@HankMiner Date your gear, marry your skills 😊

What camera do you use now?

@@djsalad7891 I believe he uses a BMPCC4K

My budget is somewhere between 0 - 300 - 500 Not sure though bro

0-3-5 man is everywhere

You're too kind! Thank you JC!

@@dslrvideoshooter me too but i would like to see more of real footage like shooting in daylight to watch a diffrence in DR or Rollingshutter, anyway great video !

@@pawechekowski9186 Yes! More rolling shutter tests, PLEASE!!!!!!!! I was/am looking to buy a Sony A7iii. While doing my research, other YT channels were making a good case for the a6500, so I checked it out. I was almost all in, until they did a rolling shutter test.

Same thing I noticed. Since this and a lot more videos the price raised a lot and, personally, despite I love his videos, I hate these trend-like things where everyone is compulsively buying everything without a reason (I hope I'm assuming the worst). Probably he bought it when prices weren't this up, but it's really scary how it changed in 4 months, really scary.

@@nonameexpdng i thing they were never that cheap.

@@FrankValchiria I actually found some F3 on Ebay on sale for 800 or less, unfortunately I didn't have the money at the time but if I had known that prices would rise as they had I'd have found a way to buy one of those.

@@nonameexpdng 800 was.a.good deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if people watched this video and suddenly decided these cameras were for them. The problem with being a successful RU-vidr is that you may influence people to buy a lot of something and unintentionally jack up the prices. For example, Scotty Kilmer did this when he praised Toyota Celicas and vintage hunting jackets went up a great deal on eBay thanks to Paul Harrell's habit of pulling guns and ammo out of his pockets.

Hello I love your tech videos you the best

Omg MD fish!!

Crazy finding you here!!

Just get a similar camera from the same time period and bob's your uncle.

for 1200 i'd rather get bmpcc 4k, or bmpcc (+metabones)

@@johnhumbug5199 Yes I see, but bread and butter comes from seminars, TV interviews, conventions and local spots which does not required the latest but requires XLRs Zooms and Presence. This camera fills the void quickly.

Who would pay max $1200 for this camera. 1080p is become obsolete now, most TVs and monitors are at leat 2K even smaryphones. Try to watch a 1080p video on a 4k tv. It may be worth $800 if the colors and dynamic range were out of this world at 1080p, but from the look of it, the image quality is pretty average and the low light capabilities are pretty bad. That's a big turn down.

@@astafzciba 1080p is essentially the same as 2k

the mounts on these old 32 mm CMOS is not the best solution, if you can, use original please !

I'd like to get some 444 footage by F3.

hey, id love to see some of the footage you got! Would you put it on your channel or send it to me!!! Thinking of my future B Cam beside my original bmpcc that has similar qualities

He would need to have the paid RGB444 upgrade though, right?

@@ErebosGR tbh I've found more RGB444-upgraded F3s for sale than non-upgraded ones haha (your mileage may vary though)

Please dude, give us some footage. That would be awesome to see.

Jesse Paton Reminds me Mattias Burling reviews, he always shows cameras claiming he paid like 50% less that the average price everybody else in the world can find them lol

I bought my f3 in 2018 with a full cage for $900. I've seen them go as low as $495. Are you sure you're not looking at cameras that come with lenses?

Yes definitely. I think it's due to this video. Sadly. Gonna have to wait a minute.

goddamn clickbait

I would pay max 500$ for this camera. It's basically not that impressive

You could set up two cameras and claim the Sony was just a backup...

This is an interesting point.

That's a good point. There are times these cameras can be intimidating and intrusive. But sometimes it can work to your advantage. Try explaining the difference in resolution on that old PD-170 and an iphone and you might get a blank stare. lol

I'd argue it's a better camera for an event, too. Dedicated control buttons, internal NDs and being quite weighty mean for run and gun it is honestly in a league of its own. I shoot on both the F3 snd the A7S and I'd take an F3, barring low light, to an event any day.

thx for the tip

What is the use case for that? I mean, other than you being able to score internet points for finding the one thing you could criticize the camera for and therefore feeling vindicated for shelling out 1000s for the latest greatest gear that the RU-vid hypetrain sold you. 😉

It’ll prolly suck big time

@@MiaogisTeas or you know, that's how they use cameras and are curious to see how it would perform. Or maybe I'm wrong and everyone is as cynical as you assume.

Stabilization is not good on this cameras. Use Olympus, if you need stabilized footage in 5 axis. But colors and dynamic range is good. This is my todays video from Sony PMW-200, graded: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bdy2ldvQEyc.html

@@Wabajak13 That was exactly what I was after. At $800 it's still in the 'starter' range of cameras so an amateur like me craving some special look to the footage would come charging in and create terrible content by using a device that wasn't meant to be used in that way.

The guitar community has the same affliction!

Ted Jones “do you hear how fat my neck humbucker sounds right now? Way better than my last Les Paul. Plus this one has coil splitting so it’s basically a strat whenever I want it to be.”

make a video!

Hi can you share? I’m struggling to get s-log luts for postproduction Thanks!

@@joerivandenberghe7193 yes for sure my friend. Hit me up on instagram @aifotos.

This is particularly a Sony issue. The newer Canon cameras all have the warmer, more pleasing skin tone and overall warmer and more saturated colors. The highlights on this particular camera are really beautiful. The image is really comparable to the original black magic pocket. Softer and more filmic looking than the newer models.

I Shot a feature film off of the Cion for free through their #TryCion Program. Needless to say, I was IMPRESSED with the Camera and the things we could do with it. We actually SAVE a bunch of shots with that Camera. Here's the trailer for it - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rvwro1BVo9g.html

@@crosbyt123ify I wanted to take advantage of that so bad when it came out but I simply did not have the time or anything in mind to shoot with it. It's a shame, I feel like they could've evolved it a bit and made something better. When they announced it I remember it kind of shook the industry, and then Blackmagic showed up and everyone was just writing it off as a failure before it even came out.

@@crosbyt123ify Highlights are awful clipped. Looks pretty terrible imo.

@@Max-lk2ro It's all good. We didn't have a lot of money to purchase monitors and things like that. We shot this with whatever we had and days we had to made a feature film out of it. But I appreciate your comments and honestly. It means a lot.

CION's are still avail through Resellers via AJA at deep deep discounts, new in box.

I still use Panasonic's AF100 with Atmos Ninja and footage looks good. Just shoot for your look and do minimal grading. The features for usability rocks. I studied Cinematography in Film School so I approach it from an artistic foundation.

I'm also a fan of Panasonic cameras, would love to see a similar profile on one of those.

Where can I get it $800

Yes

That is no contest. I have 2 x c100 and it kicks butt even against my EOSR

@@paddy_cakes C100 mark I or II? I need one for weddings as my tripod camera. To replace my Mark IV.

ill take that any day

This is a great idea

*Was* affordable. Now that tens of thousands of aspiring filmmakers have seen this video... maybe not so much 🤣

don't even think about getting this one, really. any modern mirrorless camera beats it in many ways Caleb doesn't mention: weight, autofocus, lenses, compatibility etc.

@gxrsky, did you and I watch the same video? He specifically mentioned autofocus shortcomings and lens compatibility with adapters.

In 2001 school i went to was using Super 8mm and Krasnogs16mm. We were splicing film by hand. Times have changed. Kids are lucky now.

This is spot on👍

@@DanielTroyer Cheers Daniel, your videos were actually what reminded me of the F3's existence, so I picked one up for myself earlier this year!

I bought a new old stock FS100 last year. I love that thing to bits!

We are talking PMW F3 not FS100 they are way different

FILM CAMERA???

"And it is well known" where did you get the info from? and which format would you prefere?

@@Max27653 Cine2 is a very popular profile that is not as flat but still retains great dynamic range. (And as a bonus you have a way lower minimum iso then with slog 2 or 3) And it is well know by everybody who understand the limitations of 8bit and has in depth knowledge of the sony system. This video goes into depth about the different profiles, it is worth a watch and you will understand, why slog2 or 3 is not the ideal profile for sonys consumer mirrorless cameras, that only have 8bit color depth. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9E8doNzDymo.html

@@jakob.k_design What's your thoughts on PP4? All I know is that the overheating issues are bad on any camera from the a-series except (maybe) the a6600 which is a dealbreaker in itself. Doing an interview and telling people to hold that thought for 10 min while the camera has a snooze is a content disturbing disaster. Missing the ring part of a wedding etc. And shooting a doc where you can run the camera continuously covering an event, just to have the camera shutdown at the crucial moment of the scene nixes any colour conversation. F3 blows the 6400 out of the water in that regard - it's a tank and flawless in that regard. The a6600 is only camera worth buying in that series, AND only - in my case - because of the tiny form factor for incognito shooting where you do not want a ton of attention to get cinema-veritie direct cinema content. When content is key in low-profile situations, the low-light capable 6400 with its subpar 8bit 4.2.0 low data rate is what you want, and here slight magenta infused grays or other non-perfect visual aesthetics are not a large concern. And you can use Caleb's advice on how to help with that in his useful Sony colour issues vid. We need to think more about what we are going to use a particular camera for and what genre. Clearly, the A7S iii is the way to go but if budget is a consideration, for indies, you can get the a6600 at less than half the price (with an on-camera Beachtek mini-mixer). As far as colour, where form factor means nothing and you are not delivering on 4K, the F3 is by far the superior camera in RGB 444 Slog-1 mode to an external recorder - it's very Alexa like with skin-tones, creamy roll-off, and lovely colour science. What I would be interested in knowing is that if anyone has tried to up-res 444 from the F3 to 2 or 4K, shooting with sharp lenses; as I suspect the images would be unique from the pack and likely more film-analog like. Thanks Caleb for inspiring richer conversations to happen without the tech focus being the holy grail.

Too bad it does not cost 800 dollars, and generally goes from 1.2k, all the way up to 4k.Cash. not beginner shit at all, video lies.

Not anymore. Now theyre like 2,000$ on ebay lol

Why?

@@Seslikitap_Ebook The low light performance and depth of field were insane compared to cameras at comparable price points 10 years ago.

I'd love to see that as well

Yes please its the only camera ive kept. Still great Picture. There still are many thousands of them out in the wild.

They also didn't even use S-LOG. Shot with a low contrast baked in profile in 12 bit.

Dooo iiittt ! Subbed to your current channel as a reminder to myself.

Agreed. External recorder + sd adapters + lens adapters for only 1080p 24fps 🤷‍♂️