This Bardock RAGE Has To STOP! Here's Why.

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Seriously. The debate between 90s Bardock and Dragon Ball Super Bardock is starting to get a little silly. Here's why we think that these two are practically the same and why Dragon Ball fans need to relax. It has to stop!
When this latest manga saga started, I had no idea that this would kick things off again in regards to this character. Bardock, post-Broly movie, had seemingly settled down when it came to his overall stance within the community. The impossible had been achieved. The Minus interpretation had become less egregious amongst the fandom and things that were once confusing had become somewhat understandable. Bardock talked his theories through and explained his "gut feeling" that had been previously incredibly vague. Job done...that is until Chapter 77 and Chapter 83 showed up!
So yes, it seems that in the recent installments of the Dragon Ball Super series and manga, the likes of Toriyama and Toyotaro are attempting to make Bardock even a bigger deal in the fandom, than he was before...and...is that really necessary? I think you only need to walk around a convention for a few minutes or peruse RU-vid for a few searches to see that Bardock...HAS ALWAYS BEEN POPULAR. While we ourselves have a pretty...lukewarm relationship with the character, he's alright in our eyes; ignoring the impact and the tensions between fans of the "two versions" of Bardock would be a foolish decision. We can't possibly snub this rather intriguing and downright precarious state of affairs that we have got going now. One of our commenters on our videos, Dark Tiger Shark Max, even suggested that we should compare these two versions of Bardock as people are arguing about him over their characterization. Oh boy...it's like sub versus dubs all over again, isn't it? 90s Bardock or Super Bardock? Which is better?
So, let's get right to it, shall we? Let's really break it down and discover which version of Bardock is best and could stand the test of time and the future of the overall series. Now, right off the bat, let's focus on the most obvious differences, shall we? Just to really distinguish the variations between them and confirm to you all that there IS a difference in their overall constructs.
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@MasakoX 2 года назад

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@Chimerayuri3 2 года назад

So the new Dragon Ball heroes opening shows super Saiyan three Raditz…. Should this has been a thing?

@genemaxwell4 2 года назад

I prefer the OG special Bardock to Minus itself BUT I think DBS Broly did a good hybrid of the two and that's why Bardock in the current manga is so, as you say, similar to the original. I think they're deliberately trying to keep him as a hybrid. I just wish we could have seen Bardock go all rampaging on Frieza's forces in an attempt to avenge his squad like the 90's special. Though the brief stand against frieza in the new one seems to imply he had ala his damaged armor.

@soulsilvergaming4833 2 года назад

Your videos are really good to listen to while at work

@gobi1987 2 года назад

I think any Bardock rage I had has long since turned into fatigued depression. I think I might have been more receptive to Bardock coming around and being a "better person" or whatever if it had been done differently. I'm not opposed to him steadily changing so much as I'm opposed to the steps taken towards it, if that makes any sense? Like, I'm realizing that if they hadn't retconned the history of Bardock so hard, then maybe me and many other fans would've been less frustrated. What I mean is, instead of overhauling the original story of the TV special with Minus and DBS, Toriyama and Toyotaro could have originally implemented a way building on top of 1990s Bardock and his crew. Show deeper aspects of their comradery and impacts on one another. I'd actually would have been more interested in seeing someone like Toma having some degree of impact on Bardock in some way over Gine, if I'm honest (might sound like heresy on my part, I suppose). This isn't to say Gine couldn't have been apart of this reality in some form, it would have just been a slight change in approach in how she's introduced and the dynamic of her relationship with Bardock. Hell, they could've found a way to slightly retcon the special and work with the material they had without going so ham on it and absurdly changing everything. I think I would've appreciated that at the very least instead of flatly being told more or less "No that's all wrong. Now it's this. The foundations of your childhood and budding youth is a lie, so get over it and move on." and getting 20+ years of significant lore thrown out the window.

@RacingSnails64 2 года назад

I think there's one thing about Bardock that most will be able to agree on... His classic green armor looks waaay cooler and more unique.

@cityguard4847 2 года назад

Yep

@kole-sama19 2 года назад

Hard disagree for me, the new armor looks better to me.

@Trelitty11 2 года назад

Yep

@Trelitty11 2 года назад

@@kole-sama19 and the shoulder pads are horrible

@empuwm 2 года назад

Miss his old outfit and bandana besides that dbs bardock is perfect

@solidskullz5736 2 года назад

If there’s one thing that’s consistent it’s that he was a badass who went down fighting even when he didn’t stand a chance

@MasakoX 2 года назад

That's pretty much it. Each version of Bardock is one cool guy.

@badopinionsrighthere 2 года назад

@@MasakoX he conquers planets and doesn't afraid of anything

@ravishing_cadet4625 2 года назад

@@badopinionsrighthere Doesn't afraid if anything indeed

@ManBehindNothing 10 месяцев назад

@@ravishing_cadet4625 Doesn’t scare if anything indeed.

@jrcsmash2150 2 года назад

Are they the same? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes, but while one has a whole squad, the other has a Gine.

@ernie4795 2 года назад

Gine for life.

@TheWarmachine375 2 года назад

MasakoX: "I think Bardock's Hype is getting really stale." Bardock: "I Am The Hype!"

@MasakoX 2 года назад

I knew this would be typed eventually.

@chaotixninja5 2 года назад

Masako: "Bardock pretty much turned into Jor-El." Me: "So he IS a brilliant scientist!"

@SuperSaiyanGuyver 2 года назад

I personally think they didn't NEED to make him Jor-El, but that's more Minus' fault than anything else.

@costby1105 2 года назад

Even in the special Bardock still had a huge similarity to Jor-el in that they tried to give a warning that Krypton/Vegeta were about to be destroyed and were instead ignored. A similarity that was not in Minus.

@SuperSaiyanGuyver 2 года назад

@@costby1105 Okay that's one similarity. That's an understandable and practical one. What I didnt like about Minus is it gave him the Jor-El "we'll send him somewhere to be a great hero" vibe. Special Bardock didn't remember his kid until his future visions reminded him Kakarott existed and I liked his flawed character for that.

@costby1105 2 года назад

@@SuperSaiyanGuyver He sent him away to survive and become strong, he didn't care about him protecting earthlings or anything like that.

@HectorCotto97 2 года назад

While I like Gine as a character I also prefer to OG Bardock in both character and design. I just think it makes more sense for him to be that way, especially when you consider how Raditz turned out, sure you can blame most of Raditz's development on Nappa and Vegeta but Bardock must have had SOME influence on Raditz growing up and if he was an attentive father who actively looked out for and cared about his children then there is no reason for Raditz to have ended the way he did. And regarding the Goku thing, I don't see a reason for Goku to NOT accept Bardock eventually or develop some sort of respect for him since Goku managed to befriend Vegeta after all the horrible things he did in his life and even if you want to argue Vegeta redeemed himself and that's why he accepted him, Super Goku has clearly established a sort of respect for Freeza who is literally responsible for mass genocide and the death of his best friend. If Goku can come to an understanding with HIM then I don't want to hear crap about Goku not being able to accept Bardock OR Raditz.

@firionkaiser8291 2 года назад

Eh even if Bardock was an attentive father, the results would've been the same if you ask me. Being a slave to Frieza and having to deal with Nappa and Vegeta for a majority of life would've easily changed him. Also even if she wasn't shown, I'm sure Gine technically exists in the OG Bardock story, since obviously he would've needed to have a kid with someone. She was probably different though.

@923crono 2 года назад

I would have loved Bardock to remain ruthless when around his allies and enemies and even his kid Raditz, but around Gine, he would be a completely different person. I really wish that he wasn't force fed into super. He served his purpose and wish the story could develop beyond the next power-up.

@darksteal568 2 года назад

10:00 EXACTLY! Bardock still makes a majority of his choices according to the traditional Saiyan status quo as well as Frieza Force mission directives. Being more emotionally intelligent than the usual Saiyan doesn't make him good. If anything, it probably made him better at his job whenever it came to it. Super made Bardock more of a morally gray and complex character.

@fatdurk7934 2 года назад

Db z fans are too stupid they dont know how a complex character can be better than a fan fic z bardock

@blacklisted756 2 года назад

I agree, he is more Morally Gray in Super, but I enjoyed each version of Bardock for what they were, they were good for what they were intended to accomplish.

@jhtoxic7870 Год назад

@@blacklisted756 Morally Gray my ass he was a 100% hero in DBS in DBZ the man can be seen wiping out an entire civilization with no remorse but later defends his people from Frieza. That is the definition of morally gray.

@mikegates8993 2 года назад

I'm going to be honest, I still hate Super Bardock. But more so because I hate what Super is doing with the Saiyan's culture and history. I preferred the idea that they were basically the Krogan from Mass Effect. They were monsters that only cared about violence and only had space travel because someone gave it to them. In Super, they're just kind of less interesting to me.

@ultrainstinctgoku1926 2 года назад

That’s just not true. Look at nappa, Raditz, and Bardock. They weren’t monsters like Vegeta was. They still cared about one another

@mikegates8993 2 года назад

@@ultrainstinctgoku1926 Beg to differ with Nappa and Raditz. Unless I'm mistaken, we never really see any interaction between either of them beyond maybe one moment where Nappa suggests using the Dragon Balls to revive Raditz, and he quickly dropped the idea in favor of immortality.

@JACQUEZ23 2 года назад

Goku goten trunks Gohan try again with that cry harder

@JACQUEZ23 2 года назад

@@ultrainstinctgoku1926 facts

@mikegates8993 2 года назад

@@JACQUEZ23 Half Saiyans don't count because they're raised with human influence and Goku has brain damage and his upbringing with Grandpa Gohan that erases most of his Saiyan influence.

@ultrainstinctgoku1926 2 года назад

They’re both the same personality wise. Only I feel DBS Bardock to have more depth and is better written in terms of overall plot. Old Toei Bardock only works for the special, but outside of that, he only exists as a fanservice character

@MasakoX 2 года назад

Exactly. 90s Bardock has gaps in his personality that people have to extrapolate, whereas Super Bardock is pretty much a complete character.

@BrotherMag 2 года назад

Agreed. I've never bothered to give it that much thought. Never seemed that important

@mikegates8993 2 года назад

@@thecod2345 What you said is why I hate what Super is doing with the Saiyans. I prefer the Saiyans when they were cosmic barbarians who clearly only had space travel because someone else gave it to them, sort of like the Krogan from Mass Effect.

@ultrainstinctgoku1926 2 года назад

@@thecod2345 bland? I see that as being the point. Bardock was supposed to be your average Saiyan Warrior. If they made him too special than it ruins Goku’s prominence

@j.i.k2.044 2 года назад

Very factual 💯

@julianmillo1459 2 года назад

90s Bardock team here. No need for Bardock to be the good guy and Mr family man like in DBS. He's an as*hole who doesn't care about his sons but ends up doing the right thing in the situation he's in and realizes his mistakes at the end. For me this was a perfect character and mini arc.

@SpiritOfSpite 2 года назад

7:00 well... in the current comics that's debatable, mostly because DC can't keep track of what's canon to save their lives, he used to be a paragon sure but most times nowadays he's depicted has an apathetic scientist and sometimes he goes from apathetic to straight up evil. Ditto for Batman's dad too btw. Apparently DC caught daddy issues last decade.

@food_toobs8333 2 года назад

Look at who’s running DC/writing for them and that’ll explain why and why their sales are in the toilet

@ProjektTaku 2 года назад

yeah. Bardock went from bad to pretty nice, while jor el went from good to bad.

@Tharja-iBW 2 года назад

Most superhero comics nowadays operate off the logic of "okay but what if they were an asshole" and call it good writing.

@ProjektTaku 2 года назад

@@Tharja-iBW yup.

@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv 2 года назад

I had someone call my opinion trash just because I said I liked both DBS movie Bardock and 90's Bardock. It was literally random and they failed to explain their reasonings. It's getting kinda crazy and it was before the latest couple of chapters too.

@McGoofy1001 2 года назад

I completely understand that they're trying to push the fact that Bardock is more of a father than the other saiyans. I really did not like the fact that Goku has suddenly remembered his father. The entire point of Goku's character since the beginning of Z is that he's different from the rest of the Saiyans because he remembers nothing of them and was raised on earth. I would have no issues if they somehow made Bardock and Goku meet at some point in the near future, but it needs to be written properly.

@darktigersharkmax4432 2 года назад

Thanks so much for taking my video suggestion I didn't really think you would lol. I completely agree with you dbs bardock is almost the same as the 90s version of him but the core difference is we know more about him, he's a more developed character, and he's had more of an impact in the narrative as a whole so I believe he's the better out of the two. Also thanks for calling my name cool its based off an old pokemon like game called Invizimals.

@MasakoX 2 года назад

You're welcome! It was definitely worth talking about. :)

@darktigersharkmax4432 2 года назад

@@MasakoX Once again thank you I would definitely be interested in video discussing if bardock or Gine had an impact on goku breaking away from typical saiyan nature or if him remembering them would actually drastically change him as a character.

@leow193 2 года назад

Funny thing is, but we could say that recently, Jor-El became more like Bardock. I think he is now out them murdering people... (thanks Bendis for ruining another thing)

@food_toobs8333 2 года назад

I think Gine is a boring, unnecessary character that only detracts from Grandpa Gohan’s value on Goku’s state of mind, and was put in to better serve the “Superman” analog. I won’t be quiet about it lol. Sorry, not sorry.

@hardyhardyha5767 2 года назад

A lot of people feel the same. She's only ever detracted from the series unfortunately.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

Yeah... that's the truth.

@decepticonxhunter4850 2 года назад

How does Gine detract from Grandpa Gohan? Goku still attributes much of who he is from how Gohan raised him. Goku inheriting personality traits from GIne wouldn't mean much if Gohan didn't teach Goku to never use his martial arts abilities to bully or murder other ppl like Tao.

@Fan-nt4ij 2 года назад

@@decepticonxhunter4850 This exactly. Goku never shows any signs of being a good, model boy in Minus pre-meeting Grandpa Gohan.

@Fan-nt4ij 2 года назад

@Jessica Martin "b-BuT gInE eXiStAnCe MaKeS nO sEnSe" -Guy who hasn't touched a woman in his life.

@RogueFox2185 2 года назад

A lot of people including myself just prefer how he was originally portrayed in the DBZ special though Super’s version of him in the Broly movie had a nice addition in the form of Gine and their relationship, however if I’m being honest he feels shoe-horned into the latest arc and Bardock himself is a mixed bag there in my opinion.

@VantasticJackson 2 года назад

i agree man. at first, i didn't have much of a problem with Bardock towards the first half of this arc. now though, i think he's overstayed his welcome. he didn't need a whole chapter dedicated to his fight with Gas. we already knew Bardock won too. i also don't see how this helps Goku. in my opinion, Goku would've been better off ITing Gas to either Broly or Frieza to buy time. between the DBS Movie (which was referenced as happening) and now, over a year has passed in DBS. they may very well be stronger than before ans strong enough to buy Monaito time to heal Gas. neither would need to win, just stall long enough for Gas to recover. because -Gas- *Granola* deserves the win, not Goku

@lvs1802 2 года назад

@@VantasticJackson I think you meant Granolah deserved to win right?

@VantasticJackson 2 года назад

also Fox, you got a Discord or Twitter i can talk with you on my guy?

@VantasticJackson 2 года назад

@@lvs1802 my bad😅, yeah meant Granola

@RogueFox2185 2 года назад

@@VantasticJackson No I don’t use either of those, also I absolutely agree on Bardock overstaying his welcome at this point.

@amberace 2 года назад

I love 90's Bardock but I love the supers version even more. In the end they are still Bardock.

@MasakoX 2 года назад

There ya go!

@robertrogers074 2 года назад

@@MasakoX did you like episode of bardock ? Oh man I wrote that comment before you got to that episode of bardock picture ending. Do you treat episode of bardock like Dragonball gt ?

@Art80385 2 года назад

Love the video. Personally I am tired of Bardock. It just feels like we are forced to care about him. When the only thing this cam do for me is make Goku want to know his family. And maybe get the chance to talk to his brother

@shadowkaith1573 2 года назад

THANK YOU!! man they were like “hE uSeD tO bE cOlD hEaRt, NoW hEs SoFt” like bro, they are same in their own different way.

@DPGBehler 2 года назад

I think many who prefer ‘90’s Bardock do so more out of nostalgia. And I’m seeing many not like Super Bardock because he deviates from ‘90’s Bardock, which implies they’re setting him as the standard, and I think that’s misguided. Maybe it’s the fact that I didn’t watch the ‘90’s Bardock special until a little before DBS Broly, so I don’t have the nostalgia factor, but I do prefer Super Bardock. I like the ‘90’s one just fine, and I think the visions of the future worked for what they were trying to achieve with the special, but yes, it’s cheesy and I’m glad they didn’t do that for Super Bardock. To me, Super Bardock has much more depth that works. W/the latest chapter we saw he’s still very much a Saiyan at heart, but it’s clear Gine had some influence on him that affected his decisions, not unlike what Bulma did for Vegeta. I would suggest Gine planted seeds of kindness in Goku and she rubbed off on Bardock to an extent. That’s a good arc, imo. Plus, Bardock connecting dots about the destruction of Vegeta makes more sense to me than visions. I didn’t think those visions in the ‘90’s special was that interesting. It only worked for what they were trying to do. There’s far more story now, and something like that wouldn’t work anymore. Plus, knowing this depth in Bardock has also given depth to Goku, and I suspect there may even be more yet to be seen.

@Bourikii2992 2 года назад

I didn't watch 90s bardock till about 2015ish and I think supers interpretation is garbage. Modern Toriyama is a horrid writer and he lost his touch a long time ago.

@ragingguts 2 года назад

@@Bourikii2992 toriyama was never a good writer though. Dragon ball fans overhype Z which has so many flaws and reused assets and many more problems.

@Bourikii2992 2 года назад

@@ragingguts Reused assets is a anime problem in general from the 80s-2000s. Look at pokemon single frame "animation" at least once an episode lol. His story wasn't amazing but it was at least *consistent*. It was a dumb action manga/show, needlessly retconning essentially every episode is just annoying. Gt was better than super and toriyama's current runs.

@ragingguts 2 года назад

@@Bourikii2992 i disagree GT was the worse super had alot of prob just like Z did but super isnt as bad as your crying it out to be. Z was only consistent because it litarally was the same plot as the rest of the sagas. Bad guy shows up loses to a super moves hero gets new form

@DaMainman2 2 года назад

If the preference debate between 90's and 'Super' Bardock is a rowdy punch-up, then the debate over 'Episode of Bardock' is calm, civil, and only has disagreements over exactly _how_ bad it was.

@mittensfastpaw 2 года назад

I really had no attachment to either. The abridged work actually had more meaning for me and your comment on Supermans dad was great... Because they turned him instead a super asshole not that long ago... ya.. =/ So I enjoyed the video no matter how it came out!

@darksteal568 2 года назад

I kinda agree with you Masako. There is such a thing as too much Bardock. He's starting to become quite overused.

@lockthatgoddamndoor 2 года назад

imagine hes shown up 4 times total and thats overusing

@darkman452 2 года назад

Almost as if they’re trying to bank on him boosting sales because of fanservice

@banditthiefbakura2077 2 года назад

lol this is an awful take. He has appeared in about only 4 chapters... In what way is he "overused"? They have been saving his appearances for certain times where it benefits the plot, I think they have been fairly smart and strategic with Bardock's appearances so far. Especially considering this is the first time they are adding onto his story since the 90's.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

@@lockthatgoddamndoor That's like saying that Frieza appeared in "only" 4 arcs excluding GT... No, it's not a matter of number of chapters, but of relevance and "oomph" that his presence has for the Granolah arc.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

@@banditthiefbakura2077 That's like saying that Frieza appeared in "only" 4 arcs excluding GT... No, it's not a matter of number of chapters, but of relevance and "oomph" that his presence has for the Granolah arc.

@Elohist2009 2 года назад

🎶We don’t talk about Bardock, no no no, we don’t talk about Bardock!🎶

@DoJayMi 2 года назад

Here's the thing. I think as far as Bardocks go, I like Super Bardock more, but I prefer the AESTHETIC of 90's Bardock. I like the shoulderless green armor, and of course that blood soaked red bandanna. If Super Bardock had these traits, and Toriyama didn't feel the need to separate them, I feel like we'd have slightly less discourse over how Super Bardock is portrayed.

@kingdomcomesuperman3669 2 года назад

I agree that both aren't as different as many make them out to be with Super's interpretation mainly focusing now on filling the gaps. However, for me the aspects I liked about the DBZ special Bardock was his armour looked a lot better obviously but also the perception of his relationship with Goku. I'd have to rewatch the Japanese version again but I remember Bardock's lack of care for was joked about with his squad, especially when he couldn't remember when Goku was due to fly off planet which made me perceive his negligence seemed even more extreme than usual Saiyan relations whereas DBS was in the opposite spectrum where Gine joked about how much Bardock cared for his son. Like you said though it could be interpreted as his intial feelings vs how they developed as Kakarot grew and he formed a bond but from the little both showed of him we could only go with the tones the movies presented and our assumptions. As for the inclusion of Gine... honestly could take or leave her considering either way Goku would end up on Earth and be feral until he hit his head and learned compassion from Grandpa Gohan so adding her to be like "this is where it came from" is something I could take or leave. As for Bardock it gave something to attach him further to Planet Vegeta which worked imo so it balanced out. TL;DR Prefer Bardock's Z outfit and perceived lack of caring for Goku until he got the visions of him continuing his legacy against Frieza. Indifferent about Gine. Plus blast from the past with the Harry Hill reference.

@RustyNips 2 года назад

Ya I don't care for gine being the reason goku is nice I much prefer the goku hits his head thing and then Gohan teaching him more earthling ways it just fits the original dragon ball feel more then oh gokus nice cause his mom was nice Bardock tho ya orignal design is better and I'm tired of dragon ball always removing the sayians tails just let a sayian have their tail please lol Don't need go ape form but they could still have the tail still give them that bonus strength and maybe some other ssj4 type form that only sayians with tails can do as I've always seen that as just a mastered form of great ape with ssj anyway cause of the golden ape form needed to access it

@kingdomcomesuperman3669 2 года назад

@@RustyNips Yeah I assume it's still the same case considering Goku still acknowledges he had his head hit which would only happen due to him being so unruly prior to Grandpa Gohan teaching him. Which is why I feel her personality didn't really Mature in the grand scheme which is why I'm indifferent. As for Saiyan tails I strongly agree I just liked the look and Ozoru form ever since Dragon Ball and would love for them to bring it back in similar form to ssj4.

@ozaru90 2 года назад

This fanbase "anger" is one of the reasons I generally despise anime fanbases in general. Anger, vitriol, THREATENING CREATORS when Characters act differently than what "fans" want them to do, it's all absolutely asinine. The Dragon Ball, My Hero Academia, and Naruto fanbases are in my experience among the WORST offenders when it comes to online bitching.

@ragingguts 2 года назад

Agree they take the series so seriously and complain about everything.

@dinosoid2000 2 года назад

Depends. Toei/Bandai loves Z Bardock. He's the one that gets all the love and focus on the gaming and merchandising front. It's mostly Toriyama and Shueisha that's pushing the new one.

@LukeMidnight1 2 года назад

Bardock was always a fanservice character. The original was better because at the end of the day he didn't matter. He was just another Saiyan who, despite having visions, couldn't do anything about them. He had zero impact in Goku's life and the fact Goku became powerful enough to face Frieza was just happenstance. New Bardock, not even considering time travelling super Saiyan as Canon to super, isn't like that. He deliberalety took the decision to send Goku away and wished for him to grow up well. This made him have more of an impact than OG Bardock ever had. Not only his wish cheapens Goku's journey, but his actions are what cause Frieza's eventual downfall. OG Bardock wasn't an deep character by any stretch of the imagination. He was simple and left the audience to fill the blanks. That's what made him work. Super Bardock is a more complete character, but this didn't make him more interesting. It just made him more important for the sake of It. Super Bardock isn't different enough to justify his existance and his actions didn't improve Dragon Ball in any way. They might as well have left Bardock as he was before.

@dominiquerobinson8888 2 года назад

Completely agree! I feel like Super and its fans trying too hard to make Dragonball like the modern anime's like One Piece and Naruto. The thing with Dragnball z was that the saiyans were not supposed to be that important, as far as i could see. Goku would've been your typical saiyan had he not gotten the influence from earth. And once he accepted his saiyan heritage with the sympathy he gained from earth he became the first to reach that legendary transformation. What the OG Bardock had that I felt passed on to Goku was a strong sense of loyalty and sacrifice.

@TheWarmachine375 2 года назад

DBZ Bardock is way iconic with his red bandana and unique armor compared to DBS Bardock who wears standard Saiyan Armor like his fellow kin.

@nostalgianetwork1225 2 года назад

If I made a Bardock fan manga origin story from when he was a kid all the way to Planet Vegeta demise, I would have combined both versions. With Bardock having a soft side for his family but as the series goes on and as he gets older, he started seeing much more blood shed and lost a lot of allies during missions that he becomes more cynical and more of a scumbag. When Freiza day happened, he tries to redeem himself by trying to take down Freiza himself and save Planet Vegeta. His fellow Saiyans, Gine and his 2 sons. Edit: I would also make Fasha and Bardock have a Brother and Sister relationship and childhood friends.

@Metal6078 2 года назад

I will say that I prefer him fighting against Frieza due to having information over receiving a random vision. I also don't like what subsequent side materials have done to him (particularly Heroes and Episode Bardock).

@fatdurk7934 2 года назад

Future vision made z bardock boring characters. He saved goku out of the vision and not his own feelings. Super bardock is easily the better written character between the two and anyone who tries to argue it just shows they dont know what good story is

@hardyhardyha5767 2 года назад

"Better written" is subjective, especially in regards to anything Dragonball related. This new iteration of Bardock has problems of his own that hinder his character in comparison to his old depiction.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

@@fatdurk7934 You talk about better writing, yet fail GLORIOUSLY in not even 3 lines, by saying that Bardock saved Goku thanks to his visions in the og story. Goku was sent to Earth by his standart Saiyan planning, Bardock had no involvement with it at all in the og story.

@jhtoxic7870 Год назад

Bardock's visions of the future is a incredible plot device change my mind.

@ajr01-x6e 2 года назад

I strongly prefer Super Bardock

@lorenzodiez679 2 года назад

While I prefer the og Bardock I agree. Just pick your preferred Bardock to be canon and done. Problem solved, u don’t have to pay much attention to the new Bardock if u don’t want to. Screaming over and over that u don’t like new Bardock isn’t going to change anything, just stick with your preferred Bardock ignore the other one and move on.

@yona3271 Год назад

in a fight : strength : OG bardock durability : OG bardock experiences : super bardock IQ : OG bardock BIQ : super bardock stamina : super bardock feats : super bardock raw strength : OG bardock speed : super bardock vision breaking the fight : OG bardock uncaring father : OG bardock caring father : super bardock strategies : super bardock has gine : super bardock super bardock is better as a character and not fighting loopy loop character

@prometheusmodelow8322 2 года назад

I really don't like Gine as an explanation for why Goku is the way he is, we already had an explanation, one that was more satisfying for the story, that was Grandpa Gohan raising him and him losing his memory, we don't need him being a good guy by genetics, but by nurture and circumstances, Gine's inclusion only serves to diminishe the stories of the Saiyan and Fireza Arcs.

@randallellison6421 2 года назад

Good discussion Masako! I actually really like both versions of Bardock honestly. The 90s version kinda had that Clint Eastwood "Man With No Name" vibe, while the Minus/Super version has a little bit of that Yusie Fudo from Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's attitude to him, and no, I'm not suggesting his attitude was inspired by 5D's in any way, just saying that's who he kinda reminded me of at times in the DBS Broly movie. I'm also glad you brought up 90s Bardock acknowledging his son at the end of the show. For all the complaints that they made Super Bardock too caring, he was sort of doing that at the end of the TV special too. Like I've said many times, I hope that when the anime comes back and we get to this part, that they do something similar to what Naruto Shippuden did and have these "flash back" episodes featuring Bardock because let's face it, 15 minutes at the beginning of the DBS Broly movie and, let's be real here, a 1990s TV special really isn't a whole lot to go on when building an archive of this character.

@cajozack 2 года назад

I feel like DBS Bardock is the exact same Bardock personality/character wise

@ProWrasslinShoots 2 года назад

bruh i love that last bardock you showed where he goes super saiyan against frost 🤣

@rueceless7580 2 года назад

I don't really have an issue with minus Bardock my only real issue is the special was all we needed for the character, we learned what we needed about him and it told a good self contained story and ended it on a nice tragic note leading into the proper series. Things like him going back in time and becoming the first Super Sayian or having him be more involved in recent events I just got ask...why? Like Minus stuff isn't terrible but I just don't get why why they bothered just seems super forced to try and make Bardock relevant when he was never meant to be.

@fusiondisaster5230 2 года назад

*Insert a early Saibaking fighting an early bardock here, dying but releasing a few dormant seeds before hand as Saibaking propaganda 8*

@rysephoenix8643 2 года назад

the more I read the more I like super bardock. simply because he's more developed. I miss the headband but the new outfit makes up for it's absence.

@sarmeister1699 2 года назад

At this point just make a spin off story for the Saiyan race or an alt-universe/world where Frezia didn't get the chance to destroy planet Vegeta. Also out of curiosity what was your beef with that last version of Bardock?

@genemaxwell4 2 года назад

@myu2k2 2 года назад

Bardock showing up was one of the reasons why I started paying more attention to the series again. I ignored most of the Super anime when it aired bc of some of the dumbing down. And i do like SDBH bc it is a bunch of 'smash action figures together' fan service... (the Turles vs Raditz fight? come on! You can not say that didn't happen because fans saw Turles show up rocking that long hair and go "HEY WAIT A SECOND!" and they are fighting against each other! And to drag it back around to Bardock, he could possibly get both his sons to interact with now... mmm.... fan service)

@neptuneplaneptune3367 2 года назад

Arguments like Kirk ore Picard are realy annoying...especley as anyone should know the true answer too that, is Sisko.

@mikegates8993 2 года назад

That should be obvious when he decks an omnipotent being and said being decides to not screw with him anymore.

@uiunleashed2990 2 года назад

My only complaint is were is he's iconic red headband. Also the dbs minus, or dbs broly beginning, kinda defeats the purpose of raditz coming to earth.

@powerstones7722 2 года назад

Stupid bardock his scientist abilities have become too powerful

@ItsB1998 2 года назад

Original Bardock was better idc. The current nice guy Bardock just makes Goku seem less unique of a character.

@Fanatic_Foremem 2 года назад

wouldn't be so sure about jor-el not commiting genocide, you'd be surprised how many stories try to make him more moraly grey or a straight up villain.

@praveenloganathan7495 2 года назад

The key difference between the two Bardocks are the existence of Gine with the new one. The introduction of a new character to an already existing lore can greatly change the backstory and overall layout of the person, even if his/her core characteristics and foundation will remain intact. Perhaps the older Bardock had a Gine as well, but it's either she was passed away or that Goku was conceived due to a temporary affair. Therefore I believe that both Bardocks are pretty much the same character, but the existence and the influence of another had changed the later for the better.

@georgehouliaras7239 2 года назад

All I know is that when it comes to games and other Dragon Ball related media outside the manga, if they have to choose, they better prioritize DBZ Bardock over his DBS version. Bandana Bardock > Bandanaless Bardock.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

I like it. A grim reminder for dbs fanboys, to which version is superior. Heck, even now! It appears that DB Kakarot, will receive a Bardock DLC, based on what story? The Father of Goku special.

@georgehouliaras7239 2 года назад

@@a.liguria2698 That's sounds good.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

@@georgehouliaras7239 Yeah. And yes, I know that people may say: "Well that's because it is a dbz game!" ... but then that can mean only 2 things: 1) They have so little faith in the "Canon" iteration of Bardock and his story, that they will still use the og one, even though they brought the b.o.g. and r.o.f. movies into this dbz game. 2) They just do not care about any canon in db as a whole, and we too ultimely shouldn't.

@georgehouliaras7239 2 года назад

@@a.liguria2698 I think that that Japan has a way different interpretation of canon than us. Basically for them, there is no such thing as non canon, there are just multiple canons, that's why DBZ Bardock and DBZ Broly will not go anywhere. Not only they will keep appearing in future games but they will even taken priority over their "canon" versions.

@a.liguria2698 2 года назад

@@georgehouliaras7239 Honestly, that's just better... it's sorta the same mindset as with the Comics... nothing will truly go away, and nothing will truly end, so one shouldn't care too much about canon or not. That being said, anime and mangas tend more to be ACTUAL stories that end a certain point, not endless soap operas, so I hope they won't be poisoned by the Comics curse.

@fusiondisaster5230 2 года назад

I've always wanted a "What if" on Android 8 (Eighter) but never had any idea on how to make a good one

@CaptainQ2607 2 года назад

And also like Jor-El, Bardock is a brilliant scientist.

@Mediaguy8000 2 года назад

I’d pay to watch a Harry Hill styled fight of Bardock vs DBS Bardock. 🍿🍿🍿

@davelangton1217 2 года назад

HE, TOO CAN SEE THE FUTUREEE! Kanassan's are awesome. I like Bardock. I don't like how he randomly just Jiren'd Gas (the determination trope). Or Vegeta would've been able to beat Jiren in the ToP (he should've been the one, or at the very least work alongside Frieza to ring him out)

@LloydTheZephyrian 2 года назад

To be fair, just because Gas is stronger doesn't mean he automatically should win. He raged out, so his movements were sloppier and much easier to punish. Bardock just managed to work around it and hit him at the right moments. Besides, this is the character who's gonna fight until the moment he drawd his last breath, no matter how strong his current foe is.

@cooperhawk3607 2 года назад

Admittedly I like the character of super Bardock better, but in all honesty I prefer the space Rambo design over the more basic saiyan armor design, but that is just because of personal preference. I still would have loved it if super Bardock at least still had a bandanna.

@ZeoViolet 2 года назад

*Sigh* It's stuff like this that still has me feeling that a lot of Saiyan customs or ways of life were out the window when they went into space fighting more, especially under the Cold family. If a few are capable of forming family units, then they were capable in the past, fighting or no fighting. Just...fighting was paramount. Ignore love, ignore bonds. Scratch the itch, propagate your species. And fight, fight, fight. They let the beast in them win out. Gine was by nature too soft, and Bardock couldn't ignore this bond that developed with her. He stayed loyal to her, as far as I can tell. Since there ARE Saiyans in Universe 6, they are what happens when the beast in them was harnessed, instead of let loose to run rampaging. That love of fighting is still there, but otherwise, they are goodhearted people easily capable of other emotions and likely not ashamed by love.

@krzysztofkasiura699 2 года назад

I prefer when Bardock was great scientist

@princeindisguise 2 месяца назад

Dbs Bardock is like a movie with a diminishing sequel. The formula was perfect and didn't need to be tampered with. DBS Bardock is a byproduct of Toriyama taking the series in an entirely different direction with thinner characters, and less sharp character designs. The major issue was that he tried revamp a long and firmly established character by humanizing him. But the OG Bardock is the representative of saiyan nature and culture which DBS Bardock lacks. He is more like Superman's father in minus.

@dee634 2 года назад

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE

@SansINess53 2 года назад

Bardock is a normal saiyan and has unique colors of his outfit

@GarciaXVLegend_04 2 года назад

Alright so I read some comments to still get some better context coming from those who still prefer the Old Bardock. I for 1, despite not being my most favorite character but can see why he is pretty cool & good character, personally do see "Super Bardock" as an extension of Bardock's Overall Character. I think using any Official Source Material helps to better understand the Character but of course we have to separate certain aspects like Video Games (Heroes/XenoVerse & the Episode Of Bardock shouldn't count due to being mostly Fan Service & should be treated separately from the Main Continuity, it would be a headache if all of it together was in 1 Continuity). Using the Original 1st Special, the Minus Chapter, the Anime (like DBZ & DB KAI), DB Super BROLY Movie, & the DB Super Manga for characters like Bardock to work makes sense to fit these pieces of information, there maybe Slight Contradictions but make it work. What I find to be baffling is that some Fans are suggesting that every Saiyan in the past aren't as Savage as they used to be like in Dragon Ball Z... they can still be Savages & Barbarians, we're talking mostly about Bardock, Gine, & Goku... not the ENTIRE Saiyan Race otherwise both Raditz & Nappa wouldn't act in a certain way to face the Z-Warriors. Last I checked, in the Battle Of Gods Movie, it took only 6 Saiyans with Righteous Hearts to beat "EVIL" Saiyans which means those Savage/Barbaric Type of Saiyans still technically exist.

@pirotessc1811 2 года назад

About older Bardock and newer, why you even compare that, old DB was better, because more for adults, now as you are aware it's more for kids. So no Super has advantage with years that passed, new technology now, but only this everything else was making old DBZ badass !

@WinterPhoenix 2 года назад

Love that harry hill reference

@MasakoX 2 года назад

When working on this script, it just naturally came to me!

@orlandobritt1460 2 года назад

I miss the green armor

@Jameelshah-s4h 3 месяца назад

Many People compare Super bardock and Jor-El, in my opinion Bardock was a Warrior while on the other hand Jor-el was a scientist.

@johanstenfelt1206 2 года назад

Hm, interesting, good, fair and valid opinions, i appreciate this video.

@youngmula226 2 года назад

What if bardock From Z changed the timeline when he got sent back in time and fought lord chilled and that’s how we got The minus events.

@AstraFulminous 2 года назад

Masako although no one else picked up yet maybe this could be fun for your pod cast or a video. But go back to chapter 77 and compare what Gine wished for Kakarot while he was in the tube versus what Bardock told he wanted for his sons to the Munaito and the Cerulean Dragon. (BOOM)

@minedantaken1684 2 года назад

It doesn't matter how many people Bardock mercilessly slaughters offscrean when all we see is him saving people. It just paints him in a completely different light than in the tv special, which in my opinion, did a great job in showing the contrast between father and son and how the way Goku was nurtured *and hitting his head* made him unique and different from other sayians. Making Bardock do good stuff, like saving every good character we got to know in this arc just makes Goku less unique. Imo, the best thing manga Bardock has is the fact Elec gave him the intel. Especially since we still can get old Bardocks last vision, it could be that he just imagined it on his deathbed (that kinda explains why Freeza is in his first form there)

@ChiefMedicPururu 2 года назад

I never liked the hit on the head.

@GreyKingZero 2 года назад

Bardock is a saiyan, Bardock cares about his family in his own way, they both hate Frieza, and they both look awesome and are awesome. I simply refer to them as the Rebel and Protector, or the Red and the Blue and love both of them.

@dustiiyork3907 2 года назад

I think this bardock part in the granola arc will get alot more love when it gets animated and they ppl get to see bardock trowing it down like he did In the TV special

@SotnekronOfficial 2 года назад

Traveling Back In Time Super Saiyan Bardock hehe

@erikdeusenberry5307 2 года назад

Original bardock always if you rewrite the past to alter or to fit the future then what's the point or for that matter the respect of and for your creation. For example if the original creator dies does the second in line get to remake everything or after 20 decades to fit a new generation the original is discarded for that generation's likes and dislikes all I am saying is respect our anime past.

@mlpaap 2 года назад

The biggest thing I hate about new bardock is his design but He’s starting to grow on me

@freezasama5802 2 года назад

I mean it's sad about what Akira did to Bardock he changed his character completely however this was 8 years ago so we can't do anything about that we just have to accept what Toriyama did and just continue the current story its sad but we've got to move on and see what is good about the new Bardock instead of nitpicking the new one

@LloydTheZephyrian 2 года назад

I can't help but imagine some Prince-wannabe with a weird ghost named after a band that's named after a pepper telling Toriyama what to do.

@ChiefMedicPururu 2 года назад

"Akira did to Toriyama" Huh???

@freezasama5802 2 года назад

@@ChiefMedicPururu oops sorry I'll fix that

@plains7000 2 года назад

Masako I found the Bardock special okay and the music was good, but I never liked the character of Bardock in that special, However after seeing DBS Broly thrice and reading and hearing about DB Minus from online sources I ended up liking how Bardock's character got changed. Also I never liked his character in Episode of Bardock, seriously the voice actors were good at their job so no offence to them but Episode of Bardock was badly written imo.

@CometX-ing 2 года назад

FoG Bardock and Super Bardock are more or less the same exact character. Only difference is that we see a lot more of Super Bardock than the Fog Bardock. We don't get to see how FoG Bardock responds to the situations that Super Bardock does, so I imagine most people just go ahead and assume he would act in a way that they like best. Also, Bardock already shared another significant trait with Jor-el, and that was that he attempted to warn his people of their imminent destruction but wasn't taken seriously for it.

@jogio8871 2 года назад

Z /Movies/Super/Minus continuity aside, I respect Bardock. He may have only been an average fighter, but he sure was A GODDAMN BRILLIANT SCIENTIST.

@blacklisted756 2 года назад

I enjoyed Episode of Bardock, even though it made no sense considering the character, not sure about it now, its been almost a decade since i've last seen it and i've dove in deeper into Dragon Ball related stuff since then, but to me, Episode of Bardock always kinda felt like a spoof kinda thing, something like DBZ Abridged or the likes, where it takes little to no consideration for the known character and sorta makes their own.

@ReeBoi17 2 года назад

Unpopular opinion, but I personally think they included Bardock in the newest chapters as a means to expand the story beyond what they're capable of. Everyone knows there will always be a stronger guy. Another Universe. Another problem...But when it comes to building/repairing relationships. That's a whole new door for them to open. I feel as if it can really prolong the story if they incorporate a possible Bardock meeting...But since that doesn't seem like Toriyama's style (From what I personally think)...This may just be the end of it. Just a story of his past endeavors in an attempt to promote even more hype surrounding the character- Even though as you've already stated...Is unnecessary. I feel like opening up the Dragon World to deeper Character interactions and personalities in the manga (Not necessarily restricting them to anime filler) could benefit the story in the long run. Now- I am not saying there are no Deep Character interactions in the story whatsoever. Anime or manga wise. BUT I will say I truly believe that things can only go up from here........Unless they somehow manage to butcher Bardock's whole personality, and give a less than pleasing result. It'd be very difficult to pull off a reunion with Goku...The resurrections rule after 1 year only applies to groups of people (allegedly) so...Resurrecting Bardock is entirely possible....But-....Would that be a good idea? I personally think that is what a large amount of the fans would want, but orchestrating it would be a feat...I feel as the best case scenario is if Goku managed to go to HFIL, and find him- That is if he has a physical body. (Why would he not though? It's Bardock.) I feel as if they did a resurrection. The character would not be easily accepted amongst fans if he were to act-...Kind, and sympathetic. Very-...Un-saiyan-like essentially. It's a fascinating idea that only opens doors for so many possibilities. I am a weird type of Dragon Ball fan though-...:l I have found very few things to agree on with the majority of the Dragon Ball fanbase unfortunately...Either way, this was just my take on it. And by no means is what I say 100% correct. I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring, get some feedback, and be corrected if I need to be. The best way to learn is to be corrected. : )

@carterslade9252 2 года назад

Hey guys say wat u want but I still like the special episode of Bardock cuz one we got to see him turn supersayian and in a way get his revenge on Frieza I especially liked the theme song to their final dule

@benwelsh5265 2 года назад

It's silly, if you prefer 90s Bardock he's still there for you to enjoy. The obsession with canon like it's some indicator of actual storytelling quality or some gospel commandment and not just a useful tool for continuity and brand uniformity is something I've seen plague so many a fandom is just tiresome. It was ridiculous then and it's ridiculous now.

@kingstrojek9937 7 месяцев назад

i just don't really like his new armor and how the sayin armor in general has now been changed and more converged into one style i still dont care for most sayin armor sense most dont even ware pants let alone not skin tight pants

@BoldGraySky 2 года назад

OG Bardock is the best in my opinion super Bardock along with every super character is just wacky asf and they don't make any sense.

@Ray-gf3ld 2 года назад

90s bardock or super bardock I choose TFS bardock

@joeker5208 Год назад

I think I might be the only person on the planet that doesn’t like Bardock as a character or concept in general

@aka-fusion8909 10 месяцев назад

yea and ur a weirdo

@aka-fusion8909 3 месяца назад

@user-zn4sr1ll1c the guy above didn’t get any likes either so ur point?

@aka-fusion8909 3 месяца назад

@user-zn4sr1ll1c also u cared enough to give me a reply so it shows something

@nicorios4169 2 года назад

Hello

@hendsonoliveiradiolino5302 2 года назад

Hello from Brazil

@ARod3 2 года назад

All we want is super bardock to put on his headband.

@GoId3nWrId 2 года назад

Pretty sure they prefer 90s bardock because he's got a waaaayyyy cooler design and he's a super saiyan

@falconeshield 2 года назад

@GoId3nWrId 2 года назад

@@falconeshield yes your just delusional

@GoId3nWrId 2 года назад

@@falconeshield the super saiyan bardock from that one episode is a continuation of the first bardock movie bardock the father of goku

@falconeshield 2 года назад

@@GoId3nWrId It's not canon

@GoId3nWrId 2 года назад

@@falconeshield actually anything from dragon ball is cannon its just a alternate time line

@PlanetZoidstar 2 года назад

I much prefer 90's Bardock, he comes across much more like an adult who grew up in the Saiyan culture of war and fighting. Toriyama seems to have retconned the Saiyans as of Super to make them not an entire race of bloodthirsty warriors, but in the 90's you get that from all the Saiyans we see.That makes his arc more meaningful where he begins to care about his son, and the comparison to Frieza, helps to show Bardock is able to change. It also adds a sense of tragedy and tension by having Bardock not care about his son...Until he realises Planet Vegeta is about to be destroyed, and he just missed his chance to see his son. He will likely never see his son again and he wasted his chance to spend time with him. Also I prefer the idea that 90's Bardock struggled with his feelings towards his son, showing that culturally, he knows he's not supposed to care about his son, and by their society's standards his son is worthless...But deep down that's not how Bardock feels about him. How many of us struggle under the standards of the societies we live in, we try to fit in and mould ourselves into what society wants, but for many that's not easy.

@TheWarmachine375 2 года назад

0:58 Bardock should be better off as a "Small Role, Huge Impact" kind of character.