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This Baroque Composer Created Insane Polytonality! 

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A hundred years before Mozart was born, Heinrich Biber was a court musician in Salzburg, and was considered the leading violin virtuoso of his day. Biber wrote his Battalia à 10 in 1673. It is a programmatic suite for string orchestra, depicting an army preparing for war, getting drunk, marching, and fighting a battle. It ends with a 'lament for wounded musketeers'. The second movement is a quodlibet, a type of 17th century drinking song, during which different singers would bring different folk songs and sing them simultaneously and raucously. Biber titled his second movement, Die liederliche gesellschaft von allerley Humor (“The lusty society of all types of humor”) and, in it, he mixed together Slovak, Bohemian, Austrian and German tunes. In the second violin part, Biber noted, in Latin, “hic dissonat ubique nam ebrii sic diversis Cantilenis clamare solent.” (“Here it is dissonant everywhere, for thus are drunkards accustomed to bellow with different songs.”) Biber creates, for about a minute, an astonishingly dissonant tangle of musical lines, that seem to prefigure 20th century polytonality.
Interestingly, the melody in the third violin part is the German folk song, Kraut und Rüben haben mich vertrieben (“cabbages and turnips have driven me away”), a melody which J.S.Bach later used in his own quodlibet, which is the final contrapuntal display in his Goldberg Variations of 1741. In Bach’s quodlibet, the melody is presented, along with a second folk song, Ice bin so lang night bey dir g’west (“I haven’t been with you for such a long time”) in richly harmonised 4-part counterpoint.
MUSICAL EXCERPTS USED IN THIS VIDEO
Heinrich Biber: Batalia à 10 (1673)
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J.S.Bach: Variation 30 (Quodlibert) from The Goldberg Variations
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@catrap5287
@catrap5287 Год назад
so this is the piece the string section is always playing before rehearsal starts
@xyCommander
@xyCommander 4 месяца назад
Best line I read in a lon, long time. SO TRUE!
@alonzogarbanzo
@alonzogarbanzo 4 месяца назад
In fact, this is the very piece I heard the high-school orchestra doing the other day. What? That was supposed to be Brandenburg #3?
@michaelsolomon6594
@michaelsolomon6594 4 месяца назад
Oh my God 😂
@user-pu9iu1jf8i
@user-pu9iu1jf8i 4 месяца назад
So true!
@tjallingdalheuvel126
@tjallingdalheuvel126 3 месяца назад
Actually always had a liking for that pre concert "chaos". Great to open up some uncommon brain paths.
@SpaceMalakhi
@SpaceMalakhi Год назад
Those two last chords (1'27") are absolutely gorgeous
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Aren't they?!
@musilily926
@musilily926 Год назад
1:27
@bachagain1685
@bachagain1685 Год назад
Em7add11 - Dm/Em7
@alexanderbayramov2626
@alexanderbayramov2626 Год назад
Absolutely, they sound sort of 'fresh' and absolutely not like anything from baroque, they'd fit in a horror movie probably
@ImAnBoosterBaby
@ImAnBoosterBaby Год назад
Absolutely. I would expect such harmony in a messiaen work, or maybe at least a passion piece and not some - excuse me - random folk suite. ':D
@EnoVarma
@EnoVarma Год назад
I've been a proud Beliber for more than 300 years.
@milanforever7014
@milanforever7014 Год назад
hahahahahahahahaahhahaahhaah
@nikkeisimmer8795
@nikkeisimmer8795 8 месяцев назад
Yeah he was awesome on the trumpets. 🤣
@handledav
@handledav 7 месяцев назад
beliber
@jaxthename
@jaxthename 4 месяца назад
Thought I recognised it.
@ketahoer23
@ketahoer23 3 месяца назад
Epic comment
@derwishrenegat743
@derwishrenegat743 Год назад
Actually, it's very interesting. Because the composers of that time avoided dissonances without resolution. Bach especially did not like them - biographers say that when the sons of Johann Sebastian Bach were practicing the harpsichord, and their mother called them to dinner, they ran without completing the cadenza. Because of this, Father Bach could not fall asleep, he would get up from the couch and complete the chords, then lie down and fall asleep!
@davidukelele7575
@davidukelele7575 Год назад
bach composed things with melodies or notes out of tune, but that worked well, in the Brandenburg concerts for example.
@AvntXardE
@AvntXardE 5 месяцев назад
Opening of Johannes passion has quite some dissonances.
@potsdam521
@potsdam521 5 месяцев назад
I think Bach was never driven by seeking consonances, but his sons actually were …
@most_sane_piano_enthusiast
@most_sane_piano_enthusiast 5 месяцев назад
madlad
@ralphwortley1206
@ralphwortley1206 4 месяца назад
This seems intrinsic to the musically sensitive. My aunt was a music teacher with a university qualification. She taught both her sons. To tease her they would occasionally end something with a hanging G7 or the like. She would feel compelled to get up and resolve it. Harmless family fun. Listen also to the last bars of Schubert's 4-hand Fantasy in F, and realise how seductively he led you miles away from F. and then pointedly brings you back in a few crashing chords.
@Quasihamster
@Quasihamster Год назад
It's simple. Biber is German for beaver, Bach means creek. Bach washed the beaver dam away, releasing the congestion, kindof. In hydrology, this is known as the difference between turbulant and laminar flow.
@facundoboms8955
@facundoboms8955 Год назад
This was one of the best comments I've ever seen on YT. Unexpected but relevant to the subject of the video.
@bluedragon7925
@bluedragon7925 Год назад
But doesn't the beaver dam prevent flooding?🤔 The creek flooding = Bach proliferation. 🌊
@SuonoReale
@SuonoReale Год назад
I learned a lot from this one comment. I love that you connect the arts, linguistics, and the natural sciences so succinctly.
@spanqueluv9er
@spanqueluv9er Год назад
@@facundoboms8955You’re going to want to find some sort of standards, ffs.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤡🤡🤡🙄
@spanqueluv9er
@spanqueluv9er Год назад
@Mikosch2 That is in no way an explanation of the difference between turbulent and laminar flow. I know you like to hear yourself talk about things that you have no clue about but it rarely works out. Jesus.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤡🙄
@davidlicea9192
@davidlicea9192 Год назад
I discover this piece a few years ago and I was so surprised 'cause of the politonality but also because in the 4th movement (I believe it is the 4th mov but can't remember quite accurately) he uses extended techniques, asking the bass players to put a piece of paper in between the strings for a particular sound, he was so innovarive, I love Biber
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Yes. The use of extended techniques in the 4th movement is fascinating. Perhaps we will look at this at some point in the future.
@kathyjohnson2043
@kathyjohnson2043 Год назад
His Rosary Sonatas for violin are equally fascinating with unusual tunings including crossing 2 of the strings to represent the crucifixion.
@howard5992
@howard5992 Год назад
@@kathyjohnson2043 that is a wonderful and haunting work ( . Decades ago when I first heard it there was only one recording available in the US, on the Vox label. Now there are numerous renditions.
@talastra
@talastra 4 месяца назад
The thing about an era before it becomes ossified is precisely this kind of experimentation, that then seems to heretical to us later. Laurence Sterne's Tristram Shandy is the literary case in point.
@jazzinrascal
@jazzinrascal Год назад
Loved the illustration of Schoenberg blushing..ha ha! This has just made my day. Any student who thinks old music is boring should give this a listen.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
That's so kind. Thank you!
@ralphwortley1206
@ralphwortley1206 4 месяца назад
My mother, an LRAM, was brought up largely on Beethoven and Schumann. A friend of mine, a music teacher, played a piano piece of Schoenberg's to her. He asked her what she thought of it. After a short pause, one word "Hateful." I've heard music being called many names, but thhis was the first time I heard "hateful"
@jppitman1
@jppitman1 3 месяца назад
I also love the one with Mr.Bean fainting. Happy to see the music to this.
@BradHollowniczky
@BradHollowniczky Год назад
One of my favorite composers. Wonderfully inventive baroque music with a rock-n-roll attitude. In the same piece he instructed the violone players to place a sheet of paper under their strings so that the vibration would give the illusion of snare drums being played in the distance.
@WarrenPostma
@WarrenPostma Год назад
Imagine if you gave this lad effect pedals.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 11 месяцев назад
an anecdote about the Bach family from Bach's biographer (I got this from the Wikipedia page on Goldberg Var.30): "As soon as they were assembled a chorale was first struck up. From this devout beginning they proceeded to jokes which were frequently in strong contrast. That is, they then sang popular songs partly of comic and also partly of indecent content, all mixed together on the spur of the moment. This kind of improvised harmonizing they called a Quodlibet, and not only could laugh over it quite whole-heartedly themselves, but also aroused just as hearty and irresistible laughter in all who heard them."
@tptmh23
@tptmh23 Год назад
The thing that blew me away the most was the last two chords. Absolutely stunning. I couldn’t help but start laughing because of how ridiculously awesome it was.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Yes. They are beautiful.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 2 месяца назад
1st final chord: Ebm7(add11). 2nd final chord: Ebm7b9(add11). And i would would all of that with C#maj7add9.
@jazzjedi
@jazzjedi Год назад
The tune you are highlighting is the "Bergamasca", a Renaissance Italian evergreen dance based on a repetitive I-IV-V harmonic pattern. Frescobaldi, Scheidt, Uccellini... and many others developed legendary renderings and variations of the theme. Both Biber and Bach chose to quote it for sure with full knowledge ^^ Enjoy Uccellini's :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_gRO8jW9rTU.html
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EYZ79HjPh2M.html
@Renshen1957
@Renshen1957 Год назад
The Bergamasca melody is used for the German folk song Kraut und Rueben, part of the Quodlibet in the 3oth Goldberg variations against Ich bin so lang g’wezt over the original bass melody. There’s a quote from the folk song as pointed out in a 1603 lute manuscript of Mein Junges Leben hat ein End’ which Sweelinck wrote his famous variations. The information was from an article from 2005 on the Bach Cantata website which goes into greater detail of the capstone nature of the Quodlibet and its references to earlier canons both in the use of Ich bin so lang so with a variant end, and also in the Cantata BWV 212 with a variant ending.
@Renshen1957
@Renshen1957 Год назад
Forget to mention the Bach families would sing quolibets extempore at family gatherings for humorous effect. The two lyrics has cabbage and another vegetable (with inferred gas/flatulence) and the other lyric with the commanding come here, come here…
@klegdixal3529
@klegdixal3529 Год назад
@@Renshen1957 turnip.
@Renshen1957
@Renshen1957 Год назад
​@@klegdixal3529 ​ @klegdixal Thank you for the translation. That's the translation I learned in my two years study of the German language. Currently, I do not have access to a 17th century or early 18th century German dictionary. After the controversy down under claim over the Anna Magdelena Bach's alleged composing the Violin Sonatas and additional claim of the "French" Suites for Harpsichord, (the French word now used composed was in JSB's time the word for copied), I now take the precaution to double check words from the time period. There's no doubt as to Kraut=cabbage (from my last contact with an 18th century dictionary), and yet a mid 20th century source on the Quolibet then "two songs" translated Kraut as Kale. Although all members of the Cabbage family are Brassica oleracea cultivars, and Rueben is turnip, I now, if I have time, take the precaution to double check with a then contemporary dictionary. The change of word or phrase meanings is fairly common in French Harpsichord music, the tempo indication Vivement for the the fifth piece in Francois Couperin "Ordre 6ème de clavecin" at that the time translates as "Deeply," however, current usage includes "strongly," "briskly," and also in comments of "can't wait." Consequently most Harpsichord (and piano) players speed through Les Barricades Mystérieuses. This piece is translated as The Mysterious Barricades, Barricades also refers to (music) chords. The 19th century publishers of Couperin's Harpsichord music (Friedrich Chrysander and Johannes Brahms also interpreted the title concluding piece of the Ordre (suite) as Gnat or Urchin, while the late Emirtus Professor of French at UCSB translated the title as fly. (The latter more appropos). in English, By and By as in modern usage as a noun is defined as future time or occassion. In the first century of the 17th century English, by and by meant immediately. The Merriam-Webster dictionary still list the 17th c. definition as an adverb, but vernacular usage in the 20th Century to present whether noun or adverb is understood as some undefined future occurence or event. Hence my reluctance to confirm turnip and left it as vegetable. Not having ever eaten turnips, I was unaware of their reputation of producing really foul-smelling farts!
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 месяца назад
That is the funniest idea for a work. Musical humor seems timeless in its effectiveness.
@buttclef
@buttclef 3 месяца назад
Yes it's hilarious 🤣 totally agree
@willrobinson1229
@willrobinson1229 Год назад
Drunk at midnight trying to finish that composition for His Excellency.
@belialah
@belialah 3 месяца назад
424 years later I am shocked.
@davidkarapetian6061
@davidkarapetian6061 Год назад
Thank you for existing, been needing a channel like this
@prometheusrex1
@prometheusrex1 Год назад
Revelatory. Great work in bringing this gem to light.
@miamonmiller3967
@miamonmiller3967 4 месяца назад
This is really amazing... thank you so much
@Viktorvelat95
@Viktorvelat95 Год назад
This gives me Schnittke concerto grosso vibes, nice!
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Yes, indeed. In fact Schnittke was mentioned in an earlier video about Rebel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WH9Ae_tnAYc.html and I think I recommended this Concerto Grosso: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NtGTJ6_KD2c.html
@user-pi7ye5pb2m
@user-pi7ye5pb2m Год назад
Fantastic!!! Thank You very much!!!
@geo1496
@geo1496 Год назад
this is absolutely my favorite baroque piece, and while a lot of it like the polytonality was for fun it actually sounds super awesome and sounds similar to composers a few hundred years later! there’s also bartok pizz and literally putting a piece of paper under the violone’s strings, among other neat techniques! biber also did some really cool stuff in other pieces, for example literally crossing the a and d strings behind the bridge and at the scroll in his Resurrection Sonata
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Yes, the Battalia has other movements are equally spectacular. The Resurrection Sonata is extraordinary. He is a fascinating composer.
@joshscores3360
@joshscores3360 Год назад
Silent Grass Step
@shalamusic
@shalamusic 4 месяца назад
sounds he was micro-dosing on ergot. thx for the post.
@matthiasklein9608
@matthiasklein9608 Год назад
Back then the highlighted melody was sung with the text „Kraut und Rüben haben mich vertrieben, hätt‘ meine Mutter Fleisch gekocht so wär ich noch geblieben“. - „(Sauer)Kraut and beets drove me away. Had my mother cooked meat I should have stayed“ Bach ingeniously mixes it with another song that starts with „Ich bin schon lang nicht bei dir gewest“ - „I haven’t been with you since a long time“. So the contemporary would hear in his mind „I haven’t been with you since a long time - Kraut and beets drove me away“. Now „this looks like Kraut und Rüben“ is a colloquial term for „it’s a complete mess“. And all that appears when the original unmodified theme comes back. So Bach tongue-in-cheek calls his variations „Kraut und Rüben“.
@ichbingenug3565
@ichbingenug3565 3 месяца назад
Wow, this is amazing. I immediately thought I knew this simple tune but couldn’t remember. Kraut und Rüben - a big mess. Thanks for the clarification.
@TheAllstonians
@TheAllstonians 3 месяца назад
Biber is absolutely amazing.
@romanryvlin6946
@romanryvlin6946 7 месяцев назад
It's so fantastically interesting!)) Thanks a lot for publishing this!)) ,🙏🙏🙏❤
@101personal
@101personal 5 месяцев назад
Great to hear. Thanks
@Blazer__X
@Blazer__X Год назад
What an excellent video! Instant subscription
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you!
@yugandali
@yugandali 4 месяца назад
Great music, wonderful commentary
@callenclarke371
@callenclarke371 4 месяца назад
Goodness gracious. Fantastic content! I have Biber's Rosary Sonatas, and a few other pieces, but I never knew about the Battaglia. Well done indeed!
@le_roi_nu
@le_roi_nu 4 месяца назад
Vidéo très instructive et vraiment amusante aussi... Merci !
@zonimacabre
@zonimacabre Год назад
We just did an Xmas concert at the orchestra and the finale was like 3/4? Carols mashed up and overbearing chorals singing something else. But at the end it all came together and played out beautifully!
@WarrenPostma
@WarrenPostma Год назад
My favorite thing is that now i know you can call what you guys did a Quodlibet. Who drinketh, in latin.
@jodyirwin1046
@jodyirwin1046 4 месяца назад
Thank you! I love baroque but have never heard this type of composition.
@spicken
@spicken 3 месяца назад
Wonderful, thank you for bringing this to my attention. There is no need for the animations expressing distress about the cacophony, all the notes are in the right place.
@toothlesstoe
@toothlesstoe Год назад
This is why I think Biber was one of the best baroque composers. He was a modernist before it was cool.
@davids.688
@davids.688 4 месяца назад
But can you really be a modernist before your time? That’s like being a postmodernist in retrospect. Don’t get me wrong - I’m a belieber, I couldn’t lieber if I tried. Tip your server ... and try the veal!
@DC_Dusk_King
@DC_Dusk_King Год назад
You seem to have a keen interest in modern musical ideas such as Polytonality and Atonality; In his Harvard Norton Lectures, Leonard Bernstein talked about the "20th Century Crisis" and how in search of new ways to keep music fresh, looking for new "tonal ambiguities", music split in two: The Polytonality of Stravinsky and the Atonality of Schoenberg. As someone who obviously has knowledge of both, I think you might enjoy an exploration of this 20th Century Crisis.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Yes, hopefully, as this channel continues, and with the support of our patrons, we will explore a whole range of topics like this
@DC_Dusk_King
@DC_Dusk_King Год назад
@@themusicprofessor I cannot wait to see what happens! I'm not too big in the music spotlight at the moment, but I do know my Stravinsky, so if you ever want someone to talk to about it, I'd be more then happy to tell you what I know!
@justforever96
@justforever96 Год назад
It is interesting. And the opening and closing parts are really excellent.
@crisess4717
@crisess4717 Год назад
Gracias!
@janicemahan4772
@janicemahan4772 Год назад
I'm a violinist and I like this for two reasons: It's not difficult to play, and it keeps the listener awake!
@janicemahan4772
@janicemahan4772 Год назад
Sometimes one has to shake up the house!
@TomJacobW
@TomJacobW 4 месяца назад
*keeps the listener away fixed that for you 😁
@janicemahan4772
@janicemahan4772 4 месяца назад
@@TomJacobW No, no, no, Tom! Awake! Hahaha...
@MM.
@MM. Год назад
If you're not already aware of it, you might enjoy Farina's Capriccio Stravagante which dates back to 1627. Strings emulating cats meowing and dogs barking :)
@otherkorean
@otherkorean Год назад
Adrian Belew does cats, rhinos, and elephants on his guitar.
@darktimesatrockymountainhi4046
Wow - my kind of guy! Thanks for this video!!
@darb.musica
@darb.musica 7 месяцев назад
Wow, I didn't know this, amazing!
@Vortragskunst
@Vortragskunst Год назад
I think, Bach uses this subject for a very different reason. It is always said, that with this stupid "Kraut und Rüben" song he wanted to produce some comic effect. But in reality it is the subject of the famous La Capricciosa variations by Dietrich Buxtehude. This harpsicord work is in G major and has 32 movements, which is exactly the same number as in Bach's cyclus (Aria + 30 variantions + Aria da capo) and so the model and prototype for the Goldberg Variations. When Bach in the last variation quotes La Capricciosa, it is a just a tribute to Buxtehude, who was his beloved teacher.
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore Год назад
Ahh man I just wrote this. You got there first.
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 Год назад
Great video!
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you.
@alexandrebeauharnais6849
@alexandrebeauharnais6849 8 месяцев назад
Your videos are full of humor and very interesting😂❤🎉
@javiermedina5313
@javiermedina5313 Год назад
This would make even the most eccentric of contemporaries gnash their teeth. This music makes me think of when the orchestra starts to play and tune before the performance, as if the composer wanted to imitate that characteristic tumultuous effect. I think it makes sense, one of our first impressions with the orchestra, regardless of what era we are talking about, comes from when the performers are tuning up and warming up, it creates such an interesting effect that it immediately grabs our attention.
@Oswald_Anthony
@Oswald_Anthony Год назад
The best music never dies...
@roybarger4179
@roybarger4179 Год назад
How would we know it it did?
@Musicienne-DAB1995
@Musicienne-DAB1995 Год назад
WOW! I've been in love with Biber's work ever since I first heard his Mystery Sonatas, but WOW! And Bach using that theme as well in his Goldberg Variations? Mind blown.
@daniellisauskas4726
@daniellisauskas4726 11 месяцев назад
What a great video! All these dissonances and polyphony remind me of Antonio Lotti's Crucifixus...
@saiibujukson
@saiibujukson Год назад
Man, I love The Battle. You could say I have Biber Fever...
@Drewster58
@Drewster58 Год назад
It is incredible, weirdly gorgeous and fantastic.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you. Yes it is!
@Drewster58
@Drewster58 Год назад
@@jerryatrick6127 we’ll, yeah, but I was raised on Barton and Stravinsky, so there’s that.
@GerardoJimenez-rt5dc
@GerardoJimenez-rt5dc 4 месяца назад
This is amazing 🤩
@Chesterton7
@Chesterton7 2 месяца назад
Amazing!
@YMESYDT
@YMESYDT Год назад
Just found your channel, please keep making these videos I'm a big fan!
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you!
@uigliam
@uigliam Год назад
At one point it feels like... listening to Charles Ives!
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
It's a very similar effect. Ives also liked to take existing tunes and play them simultaneously in different keys
@jonathanaul
@jonathanaul Год назад
@@themusicprofessor Trying to think of an example where Ives used that many at the same time, and I'm drawing a blank. ::illustration of Charles Ives grinding his teeth in frustration::
@mercoid
@mercoid Год назад
Wonderful. Subscribed.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you so much!
@Carfree-Cities
@Carfree-Cities Год назад
Wow, thanks!
@MrPino
@MrPino Год назад
FINALLY someone talking about it!!!!!! I've been listening to that piece every now and then and I've always been amazed by that part... Anyway, the recording isn't Savall's one, it's from Voices of Music
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Oh yes, silly mistake. Duly amended.
@raffaeleapicella2340
@raffaeleapicella2340 Год назад
When you think to be a composer after a half lesson of harmony
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Well I know what you mean but Biber was an expert harmonist.
@raffaeleapicella2340
@raffaeleapicella2340 Год назад
@@themusicprofessor Just kidding ^^ , I didn't want to disrespect the composer, I Just react to what I listened and the impact of It on my ears
@patrickmcelligott5646
@patrickmcelligott5646 Год назад
Wonderful work by Biber and you!
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you
@patrickmcelligott5646
@patrickmcelligott5646 Год назад
@@themusicprofessor Thank you!
@armandoladegas3964
@armandoladegas3964 2 месяца назад
Very interesting, thank you.
@maestroicarodecarvalho3947
@maestroicarodecarvalho3947 Год назад
Aaah La Battaglia! One of my favorite tunes from the baroque! Its very interesting how he expressed many things associated with war, that arent only battles. He inspired this music in the 30 years war, that was still raging on in the year he was born, and would only end 4 years later. This movement in particular its said that it represents a military encampment, as there were many soldiers of different places that occasionally would sing their songs at night, resulting in this cacophony of many different tunes stacked one upon another.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you. Yes, the connection with the 30 years war is fascinating. The impact of war upon artists is a topic that has come up in other short films on this channel, particularly these two about Ravel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ts7K4yCP5tI.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q6oOo8izmyo.html
@RothBeyondTheGrave
@RothBeyondTheGrave Год назад
This is very far out. Glad I stumbled upon this. What fascinates me most about the Baroque era is the fact that many of the seeds for the Prog Rock and Extreme Metal I love were planted there. Hearing such dissonance on bowed strings rather than plucked strings is always fun.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you. Interesting comment. I've always liked the fact that Handel's house in London was later occupied by Jimmy Hendrix!
@fstover5208
@fstover5208 Год назад
Great post! There is a composer before Biber who likewise employed some rather far out harmonizations, but his name now escapes me. George Amirkhanian aired many of these works on KPFA in the 70s.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Let me know if you remember!
@howard5992
@howard5992 Год назад
@@themusicprofessor perhaps the reference was to Carlo Gesualdo ( 1566 -1613 ), known for his use of "advanced" chromaticism.
@vonzigle
@vonzigle Год назад
Thanks!
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you so much for your support!
@uigliam
@uigliam Год назад
Your videos are interesting and intelligently made: short, so as not to bore; detailed on a few clear elements; open to new insights; with fun and tasteful graphics. ✨I congratulate you, Maestro.👍
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you very much.
@dann234
@dann234 Год назад
*"My ears!!!"*
@jodyirwin1046
@jodyirwin1046 4 месяца назад
I’ve returned today to this clip…something eerily charming about it.
@davidvalderrama1816
@davidvalderrama1816 Год назад
The shoulders that are stood upon, amazing.
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 Год назад
Its a famous melody, the words are "cabbage and beets drove me away; had my mother cooked meats I might have stayed"
@Nooticus
@Nooticus Год назад
Absolutely incredible!! So shocked I've never heard this before!! It's almost Ligeti/Penderecki-like...!!
@user-uo8yh9tb8g
@user-uo8yh9tb8g Год назад
Predating even Ives (whom it bears some resemblance) by 200 years... love it, thanks for sharing.
@StrangeSignal
@StrangeSignal 3 месяца назад
Admittedly, this was a frightening listen, and fear is unlike me, as I am not of this realm. Bravo, sir.
@somchaisaelee328
@somchaisaelee328 Год назад
Even dizzier that Shostakovich.
@amazingessence2368
@amazingessence2368 Год назад
There's no doubt Mr. Biber had a good sense for anarchy.. like some childs singing their own fave song at the same time.. what a fun!😁
@anasalwash
@anasalwash 2 месяца назад
I was playing this in my car and I thought someone else was playing another classical music in their phone. But i was alone !!! I couldn't wait to go home and understand what the hell is wrong with this music.
@annakey5841
@annakey5841 2 месяца назад
I’m not a musician or composer, but for me that was so exciting and interesting to watch. Music is a whole Universe. Thanks
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor 2 месяца назад
Thank you.
@maniak1768
@maniak1768 Год назад
Did you ever hear Giovanni Valentini's 'Enharmonic Sonata'? Then this is probably a good time to check it out.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Very interesting suggestion.
@gabrielroure7763
@gabrielroure7763 Год назад
Yes this music is really amazing!! I wanted to speak about this composer too!!
@gabrielroure7763
@gabrielroure7763 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fLnp-1lgc44.html 🔥🔥🔥🙈🙉🙊
@ejb7969
@ejb7969 Год назад
The entry of the 2nd and 3rd voices is the most Stravinsky-sounding thing I've ever heard that's not by Stravinsky. (Histoire du Soldat, specifically.)
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Bi-tonal folky fiddle sound - yes, I see what you mean!
@Buggaton
@Buggaton Год назад
This was a fucking cool watch, cheers
@ricucci-hillmusic
@ricucci-hillmusic Год назад
THIS MADE ME SO UNGODLY HAPPY! :D
@princepsangelusmors
@princepsangelusmors Год назад
That Dm/Em7 chord at the end really feels like Stravinsky.
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore Год назад
Like the Sage at the end of the first Act of Rite of spring or maybe the introduction of the exalted sacrifice.
@arjay9745
@arjay9745 Год назад
This is like something Charles Ives would have thought of.
@bonzodachimp6897
@bonzodachimp6897 3 месяца назад
My hs orchestra director is really into baroque music and my orchestra played this piece at a concert. very cool to hear it being covered like this
@francescaemc2
@francescaemc2 2 месяца назад
cute! I've subscribed... Actually, I love dissonance in Bach. Love that you picked the phrase from Goldberg Variations. Gould always brings out the dissonance. Nice find.
@bobbwc7011
@bobbwc7011 Год назад
Whenver anybody mentions Bach, I have to think of this German joke: Eventually Mozart arrives in heaven. He sees an old man playing the pipe organ and asks the angel Metatron: "Who is that over there?" - the Metatron annoyed: "Uhm, well, this is God, he thinks he is Bach.".
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Yes - mind you, Bach had a high opinion of God! (e.g. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eTq3gszPsIQ.html)
@soaringvulture
@soaringvulture Год назад
@@themusicprofessor I'm sure it was shared. It probably still is.
@dirkkloffer2829
@dirkkloffer2829 Год назад
In my opinion Mr. Biber was not interested introducing here a new technique of composition,he wanted to create confusion and maybe,make a little joke which he liked to do sometimes also in several other pieces.
@markusboyd4834
@markusboyd4834 Год назад
Really interesting ,thank you. Another baroque composer, this time from France, is also known for his musical 'innovations'. Check out his Les Elemens (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dnlaCenlNHk.html) which opens on a dissonant cluster chord, containing all the notes of the d harmonic minor scale. I believe Rebel was the first composer to set the biblical tale of creation to music, and no doubt contains of one of the few truly shocking opening measures up to that time. Contemporary attitudes of depicting chaos through music appear somewhat fearful that such 'experimentation' could herald an era of music that transcends the order, stability and idealism that dominated the time.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
Thank you. Yes, we made a video about this a couple of weeks ago: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WH9Ae_tnAYc.html
@mliittsc63
@mliittsc63 Год назад
love it.
@aymericd.6126
@aymericd.6126 4 месяца назад
Great !
@omar_1880
@omar_1880 Год назад
This composer is very underrated. We need to spread awareness.
@kostaborojevic498
@kostaborojevic498 Год назад
No.
@handavid6421
@handavid6421 Год назад
meh, it's just an effect that the composers are employing. it's interesting and unique but has nothing to do with modern polytonality. like that picture from the 1930s where you can see a man dressed in today's fashion, we might notice it as something special but it really is merely one of many experiments done by baroque composers.
@themusicprofessor
@themusicprofessor Год назад
We're not suggesting it's modernism, since any composer in any era can only be a composer of their time. Nevertheless, it is polytonal, and a fascinating experimental movement. There are equally striking effects later on in the suite. When Stravinsky described Beethoven's Grosse Fuga as 'contemporary forever' he seemed to imply that some music can innovate far beyond its time, and even beyond our own time.
@handavid6421
@handavid6421 Год назад
​@@themusicprofessor I guess I see it as an accident, not worthy any more than "hmm, interesting". it is an conceivable idea... some music is really forever however that's a completely different realm to simple tricks and effects. I don't think it was beyond our time, it was acceptable back then and was within the bounds of liberty that the composer can take, so it really was of that time, not beyond it.
@captainhaddock6435
@captainhaddock6435 Год назад
@@handavid6421 You must be fun at parties
@handavid6421
@handavid6421 Год назад
@@captainhaddock6435 I apologize if I annoyed you
@filmscorefreak
@filmscorefreak Год назад
there's always a "meh" comment to these unique and seemingly anachronistic examples. for me, i would wonder if composers in those days would maybe get bored and want to do something as "crazy" as this. and some of them apparently did! and this particular effect is very similar to what Charles Ives has done, and most people think of that as "modern".
@HeathcliffBlair
@HeathcliffBlair Год назад
Thanks for this. Astonishing! Gives Charles Ives a run for his money. Beautiful. 🙂
@martinwall8006
@martinwall8006 4 месяца назад
EXTREME! Wow.
@silver1788
@silver1788 Месяц назад
This last chord was actually incredibly beautiful in its own way
@Opus38No2
@Opus38No2 Год назад
The part sounds like warming up.😵‍💫😍
@alexanderbrown1954
@alexanderbrown1954 Месяц назад
I think the first chord you show right at the beginning of this excellent video is the opening of "Les éléments" by J-F Rebel.... non?
@salvatoresquadrito109
@salvatoresquadrito109 Год назад
Minchia che bello!!!!🎶🎼🎵
@user-kz8bi9zy7r
@user-kz8bi9zy7r 4 месяца назад
I really love this kind of cute caos😂 and I moved your charming video😂❤🎉
@Quim141
@Quim141 11 месяцев назад
Ahhh yeah that popular melody in the Quodlibet
@someonelol3404
@someonelol3404 4 месяца назад
The quolibet in the goldberg variations was using some popular themes back in the days !
@SuperLumpyPumpkin
@SuperLumpyPumpkin Год назад
epic!!!
@ronl7131
@ronl7131 Год назад
Love the Biber sound world….was eating some wheat rust that day
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