This British Rail Operator is REMOVING Its BRAND NEW Intercity Trains! Let Me Explain... 

If the MK5s do go to the Scrapyard then that is the biggest waste of money that the rail network has made

The British rail network is a complete joke.. What with all the delays, cancellations and breakdowns.. and now they are withdrawing perfectly good train sets you wonder what clowns are in charge...

Hopefully the mark 5as will find a new operator. I can imagine either Chiltern, caledonian sleeper or TFW getting them after they get withdrawn

The class 68s are new locos which were designed to meet many of the emissions requirements DRS's owner (Nuclear Decommissioning Authority) want for all of DRS fleet of loco's. The class 68 will probably get used for types of DRS contracts to replace the class 37s recently sold by DRS.

I mean, I do understand the reasoning *slightly*, but not enough for me to think it was a good idea. I think I’ll just watch on for the next week to see these beauties go out of service. Absolutely amazing drivers too; one actually had a quick chat with me the last time I went out trainspotting. They know that they’re going, so I’m pretty certain they love to see all of the increased numbers of trainspotters getting their last views on a screaming 68 coming out of Scarborough or Huddersfield.

I took a train ride from Oxford to Banbury three years ago. There was a Chiltern Railways train powered by a Class 68. I was amazed at how quiet it was as it left the station. I would only have the GM locomotives at home in Ireland to compare with but I certainly wouldn’t complain about the noise.

Whatever your thoughts are on the Nova 3s, there should be serious questions raised about the amount of money wasted on rolling stock.......old and new.

Great video well shot and very informative

The TPE livery - the choice of colours, the design itself and its application - is magnificent. I cannot recall experiencing such joy at the appearance of a train livery before. I have little reason to use that line but having previously had the experience - twice - of having to stand on a nasty class 185 the entire journey between Manchester and Leeds, I will not be using it again.

I was so angry when they made that decision. They aren't that old at all. I honestly think TPE should've done the same thing than Northern Did on their 195 fleet. Check the Yaw Dampers if they're still ok to run. I've never been that dissapointed in my life ever

I'm gobsmacked! I see some of them still running over the viaducts here in Manchester on their way to Liverpool from Scarborough, and they are really beautiful... that livery is spot on!

I did not know about problems with cracks on the Mk5 coaches. What is it with all these new trains cracking!? We had the same problem with the Hitachi IETs and I think some of the new Northern CAF units have had issues as well. What the heck!? Can nobody build anything properly anymore?

*FACT CHECK* - only 13 complete sets built, the "14th" is just the DT vehicle - "multiple technical problems" are normal for new rolling stock. Most of the systems on the Mk5a are common on the Class 397, and if the Mk5as had been given a proper shakedown, these would have been ironed out. - "only four have been in regular service" - not true, there have been on average four daily diagrams, but all sets have been cycled in traffic. - Nova 3 is not maintained at York, Longsight is where the Mk5as are maintained, and Crewe for the 68s - Seats 6, 7 & 8 are airline style with small tables. - Nova 3 was introduced a year late, due to delays on CAF's part, in late August 2019. This meant that training would overlap with Nova 1 and Nova 2. Nova 1 was critical to meeting the 125mph requirement of the December 2019 timetable, so this fleet took priority over Nova 3. - DfT did not "take over TPE due to First's poor performance" - the contract with First came to a natural end and the DfT chose not to renew it. First were working to a Recovery Plan that was agreed with the DfT in early 2023, and despite being ahead of their target week on week, the DfT decided to send a political message. - Mk5a coaches are rated up to 125mph (Source: Ex-TPE employee involved in the introduction of these trains)

Very clear and honest review.

Those coaches look great and modern and the engines also look great so I can't see what the fuss is about maybe you should come out to South Africa to try some vintage rail travel with all the old rail problems of the 1970's.

I don't know what Trans Pennine Express were thinking withdrawing trains with no replacement despite Trans Pennine Express being overcrowded its the same issue as withdrawing the cross country HSTs with no replacement

I took a ride on these last month, and it's a real shame these are getting discontinued so soon as these seem like nice trains!

Ignoring the railway enthusiasts (of which I'm one) sentimentality, these Mk5s have been nothing but a pain in the seating area. They've been plagued with various reliability and structural issues for both TPE and Caledonian Sleeper. The fact the whole fleet has never entered service says a lot too. Then you have what is a small fleet that requires additional type training for both crew and maintenance staff. Crews having to be rostered so they can keep their knowledge up to date. Do the Nova 3 sets DVTs and the 68s count as two different types when it comes to driver training and cab knowledge, so requiring separate training? Then you have the additional service items that are class specific that the depots have to keep in their stores inventory. I can fully understand why, especially when only there a few are in service, they are keen to see the back of them. With the Trans Pennine electrification it would make more sense for TPE to lease five or so additional bi-mode 802s. A type both the crews and depot staff are already familiar with.

To 15:10 This is not noise from the loco, it's *music* in the ear of railway fans. 😊

Please do a review onboard the RENFE AVE S102 Talgo pato and the Alvia S730 from Madrid to Extremadura. Good video, I am subscribed to your channel. Happy New year

Locomotive or engne noise with stabled stock was a problem for local residents at Brighton and Oxford. This could be avoided by providing shore supplies. Diesel locomotives should be getting quieter with the passage of the years.

It strikes me that so many train operators are making some dreadful decisions with regard to rolling stock contracts.

1:36 Since the December 2022 timetable change, some TPE services from Scarborough now terminate at Manchester Piccadilly, such as the 06:48, 08:48, 10:48 services e.t.c, so pretty much every 2 hours there will be an extended service to Manchester

Cant say i was shocked to hear they were being pulled from service. Being from Cleethorpes myself it was a pleasure seeing the 68s in our station (especially the Enterprise). But given the length of time it takes to train drivers up on the routes, you'd think that would allow ample time to get signed off on various tractions. But the issue TPE had was not enought training staff to train drivers up. Shame really. But i do take pleasure riding on the 185 DMUs out of cleethorpes when i need to as they are a nice ride (when on time and not overcrowded of course)

Went second class to york from seaside town went back first class what smooth ride 😊

Another great demonstration of levelling up from our wonderful Government I see.

I wonder if they'd be good to use on the Settle and Carlisle? Or maybe TfW could augment its Manchester to Cardiff services, or bring back loco hauled from Crewe to Holyhead?

The 1st and only Nova 3 I went on was Achilles and I was in 1st class from Manchester Piccadilly to Stalybridge on Feb 22nd 2022

For an annual fee of @€25 we can travel from Valencia to Paris on H.S.T for €9 , stunned to see via electric a single from Birmingham to London £80 . Could travel through Spain for a week on our cheap buses for that, free for students ! Many women drivers . With free Wifi

Britain - how not to run a country. London has a hell of a lot to answer for.

Utterly stupid decision, if the 68s are highly disliked in Scarborough then put them on the South Pennine Route, I'd love to see them running on an updated South Pennine route, possibly Liverpool to Lincoln and Skegness and Liverpool to Nottingham

Achilles … how appropriate !!

I remember the first day one of these trains ran from Lime Street (a Scarborough service, as I recall) - emerging from the Merseyrail underground part of the station, one could hear an engine idling.... turned out to be the Class 68 at platform 4 or 5; it was so loud, the cups in the Costa shop were rattling on the shelf! Boy was that one noisy locomotive... IIRC they eventually stipulated it had to come in DVT first into Liverpool, because of the noise it made, although I think they did manage to quiet them down a bit after a few months. I also seem to remember that the Nova 3 came into service some time before the Nova 1 (the bimodal one), so for me travelling Liverpool to Manchester & back it was pot luck if we got a new train, or one of the old 185s. The staff much preferred the 185, but I preferred the Novas, I have to admit; and for 1st class the Nova 3 was slightly better (if noisier) than the Nova 1. 1st class was also much less likely to be jammed full when the train was overcrowded, due to it being at the far end of the train (usually). They're lovely trains, though. Sad that the carriages are just being parked up, you'd have thought they could have found *something* to pull them.

I got that train every Monday returning Friday. Liverpool Lime Street to Leeds. Always 1st class as I used advanced purchase (£68 as two singles). This was for a year, until lock down occured. Around four or five times the train was cancelled. Which, for Transpennine, wasn't too bad. I got to know the stewards quite well. They would save a bottle of red for me, most Friday evenings. Great way to start the weekend.

I love the exterior paint scheme on the TransPenineExpress but I'll have to rewatch this video to understand why these trains are being withdrawn becaue I'm in multi-tasking overload.

If I was translink/NI Railways I'd take heavy interest in the mk5s. They'll obviously need regauging, but NIR needs more trains and already runs a nearly entirely CAF fleet. Finding locomotives could be an issue, but there are a handful of 201 Class in storage

Bit of a plot twist. I saw on TV last night (BBC North West) that more money is being put into the TRU, with additional units to be ordered. I've seen a figure of 29 units, with the option for up to 26 more mentioned on one forum. I wonder if the leasing company has got any financial help or compensation from CAF due to the Nova 3 troubles and lack of availability? Bet they'd love to hand them back to CAF in Wales.

never understood why first class is up front with the locomotive given how loud the class 68s are. surely it would have made more sense to commission the DVTs as first class, especially considering that they have slightly shorter space for seating and ive never seen any clips of first class being even remotely full on these sets. that being said i am definitely not a first class traveller so they can do what they like as far as im concerned!

The fact that these trains are at a scrapyard is not a good sign. I hope someone gets them

Hopefully not all of these will be scrapped

To be honest I was going to ride on them if they came and did the Cleethorpes to Manchester via Scunthorpe and Doncaster but they didn't and it's sad to see them go as they only started running a few year ago.

@Midland London when NS and NMBS decided to remove their V250 Fyra sets due to problems wich they first tryed to resolve but with these problems coming back and even a accu burned down and a ventilationplate hanging down wich was spotted by regular maintance they inmediatly withdrawed and replaced it with BR186 on front and back of the train with ICRmh wagons in a sandwichformation wich will now be replaced by the NS ICNG

the 155s dont often run into scarbrough, usually the 1st 155 of the day goes to/from scarbrough to york

The observation deck has been closed at the NRM since covid and they are doing doing there upgrades now. Have been a few times and its such a shame because i always used to go with my grandparents

I'm sure South Africa will take them. We need High Speed Rail to happen. "Nova sounds like a good name ".

It is the DFT removing these trains not TPE. The coaches will go into store and sit and rot like all the other numerous rolling stock currently stored. A prime example is the Class 379 EMUs, just over ten years old but currently rotting in store.

CAF carriages? We had issues with their trams cracking. I think some of the 68s will be heading to Chiltern.

Many comments about TPE decisions but if you speak to industry insiders they’ll tell you it’s a DfT decision (or DafT as it’s know by the industry). I would like to know if TPE will continue to pay for the leasing of the coaches as presumably they signed a contract that would of had a term so the leasor could get a RoI.

First time I saw a Nova 3, I honestly thought the 68 was a stopgap whilst they waited for a more aesthetically fitting loco car to be ready. Just looked really odd to have that sleek DVT at one end then the carriages to just abruptly end and have a freight loco-looking thing bolted on

The ludicrous withdrawal of these trains, with their 5-coach capacity and superior comfort, is typical of government run railway - take the cheapest decision regardless of the awful effects it will have on passengers. It is a warning to those clamouring for a return of complete rail nationalisation.

I only hope that these sets get taken up by another operator, it's absolute madness to withdraw perfectly operational trains after only 4 years in favour of simply 'running less trains'. The fact that they would've been electrification-ready once the TRU is finished makes it even worse.

Well we travelled yesterday from Liverpool to Leeds and Back and I thought they were very good, we got excellent feed back from both train train train crews, but that's the difference between train crews and train companies,being an ex guard and driver myself. .

Just yet another occurrence of our government (who hates trains) taking the cheapest and easiest way out of a problem...

What the song called towards the beginning of the video?

Managed to travel from Cleethorpes to Doncaster on a mk5 set, pity they weren't a permanent fixture

I'm only really getting back into railways after a forty year break, so the many [many, many] new types of loco's and rolling stock are taking a bit of getting used to. I was, therefore, quite surprised to discover that the 68's which I thought were nothing more than a fancy version of a 25, are actually 3000 hp! Small wonder that they make a bit of noise.

Ace..easier than driving...and you can have a few beers ...sweet.

They cancel most services from Liverpool Lime Street anyway, so who would notice? Today, the cancelled services TPE services at Lime Street are: 06:14, 08:19, 09:19, 10:19, 12:19, 14:19 Your comments about why people live near a railway are incorrect as there are no legal noise limits from railways and complaints will be handle by the local authority as if from any other source. The rail companies still have a duty of prevent and minimise nuisance. I've been on the CAF TPE Mk 5s and they are OK, albeit the ride quality all over the place and in hindsight would be classed as stopgap.

Yeah so Short Sighted it's a shame your losing these nice new Trains (they can only see the end of they're Posh cars bonnet), hopefully the Trains will find a New owner soon!

Especially took the chance to ride one for the First and prob the last time in November 2003, from York to Scarborough to see the sea and watch Wish at the Holywood Plaza traditional cinema. There were a couple of other railfans, but they moved to First Class, and I should have sought an upgrade too, but I enjoyed standard class anyway. Hopefully, the Mk5a coaches get used elsewhere.

I have been associated with railways in UK for many many decades and have worked for BR several times but I have never heard of a 'railway bench'. Do you mean a platform? The longest used to be at Manchester Victoria.

there was another issue that people felt the units vibrate and noise the place up near the depot, being someone who lives near the depot ive seen it first hand, i absolutely love trains so it didnt bother me but i can understand why some people dont like it, riding the trains where fantastic, i absolutely hated the IET train i got from peterborough upto york so being on one of these afterwards was brilliant! absolutely loved the journey on this thing, and you cant beat a good ol loco, the class 37 and the class 68, two different generations, though both very very iconic sounds, its such a shame to see them go, though the 185s are very quiet and smooth, it woulda been nice to see the class 88 jumping on ship when [more like if] the scarborough branch gets electrified

I wonder if Scarborough to Liverpool will ever return before covid in the future it would be great if they did

I would think the nova 3 are being tested prior to be used in Scotland. I would think these past four years has been a shakedown period prior to these sets being withdrawn to Scotland where they need the bimodal ability. The sets will then be thoroughly overhauled to remove the kinks. It seems the line to Scarborough is the British railways test bed.

I think these first class TPE Mk5 carriages are the best first class carriages going: the seat alignment with the windows, design, decor and colour scheme are all perfect and comfortable. Living near the railway in Leeds city centre the 68 loco's are noisy and I can hear them even with my windows closed and nine floors up. When you think TPE ran a reasonably reliable service with what were new 185's back then for it all to go disastrously wrong when the new Nova fleets were introduced is very disappointing and a missed opportunity (and don't blame the pandemic)! I’m planning a Nove 3 first class day out on Wednesday before they go!

Imo erm should look at this trains to run the Liverpool to Norwich route. Would be a big upgrade on the 170s

Its simply scandalous, people with pens in offices out of touch with reality. Heads should roll over this scanalous decision 😠, actually the staff and drivers love them.

Trans Pennine Being on time now thats a first

Steve Hamond Kaye loves NOVA Threes - the fleet should be kept in my opinion:

That makes the C751B retirement seem very reasonable

it’s actually so sad

0:10 - In 1873, Eli Janney invented a new type of coupler. 150 years ago. It wasn't standardized until 1913, 110 years ago. So the UK isn't all that far behind after all!

I think GTR should grab the nova 3's for Gatwick express services

Class 707 was already gone from south western railways it lasted 2 YEARS

I'm sure they could get extra capacity by buying back those PACERS from the scrap man!!!!

Why can't Britian's Railway companies just use Thermal and Wind Power Plants for electrification?..

I’m an odd one. I prefer the ironing board seats 😂😂

Back to tripping over students with their massive house size suitcases bunging up the gangways.

Big question. What if you don't want to change your baby and keep the one you have?

These trains have mainland europe style first class sadly TPE aren't so fond of them. I kinda get why but they could really use the extra capacity instead of the 3 car desiro's.

Don't know what you're complaining about, try living on the WCML serviced by Avanti Westcoast then you would have something to criticise and complain about. Something for a future video, which is the worst operator TPE, Avanti or First.

The cracks ARE a reason for the withdrawl.

Is it "DOT" doing this Cluster Fu*k with these trains? Unbelievable !!!

Correction: Class 156, not 155, which were split up to create the Class 153

Withdraw them due to training backlog , but wait till traincrews are trained up on them ! "crazy"

Trouble is crap management, whether private or nationalised. Silly oafs in this land.

seems like caterpillar not really well suited for passenger train locomotive, it's loud, unreliable, and high fuel consumption same thing happen in my country should've gone with the cummins or mtu

1960s GM engines are all some people hear in the US. That throaty groan echoing through the entire town is just so commonplace that nobody bats an eye when these are full throttle with no silencers. "Ah no the whackin great big train is too loud!" Typical British nonsense. Oh it's got a CAT engine in it! No wonder they're all broken!

I live adjacent to the ECML south of York & have done for many years When these trains pass on full power they are horrendously noisy No other train makes such a row....not even the goods trains. Good riddance!!!

The DFT employ accountants to run our railways, not common sense people with sound railway knowledge. Therefore, for as long as that remains the case, expect a lot of controversial decisions like this, plus daft decisions such as the withdrawal of XC HST’s and the much needed capacity they brought to a busy, often overcrowded NE-SW XC route 🤔 DFT decisions seem to be solely based on saving money, not adding capacity or even doing what’s right for passengers. I rarely travel by train these days as its way too expensive for the quality and experience provided, plus services are now very unreliable across nearly all operators with ongoing union disputes. If our Government want people out of cars and on the railways, then its about time they stopped these daft penny pinching devisions and provide trains that are more comfortable, with greater capacity at a reasonable price to passengers. Until that becomes a reality, I fear more and more people will turn their back on rail travel in favour of the car, plane and coach travel 🤔🇬🇧

No tienen el amarillo característicos en la trompa de la máquina

They aren’t being scrapped.

Brand new? They were built in 2017!

I thought the BR Standards had it bad.

Noise complaints? Valenta HST to the rescue! 😂

Nova 2 and nova 3 are the best for been a work horse....

These would be better going to ScotRail, Grand Central or Cross Country although it’ll probably not happen.

Is it not the case that not only are these the newest passenger trains on the BR network but also the least reliable and most subject to cancellation and breakdown? If you have to leave them "being fixed" in the depot and have to drag out old 185s or 158s to run the service why bother with the shiny new wastes of space anyhow? Best not get into a hypothetical discussion about the previous operator having bought these over-expensive vehicles as a way of salting the well in case they lost the franchise?

Can't be scrapping new stock already...country has gone mad...

The class 68 locos are noisy. Far noisier even than earlier diesel locos.