This BRONZE Swears they're in ELO HELL...so we put them in a PLATINUM lobby to prove it! Overwatch 2 

I think I’m in elo hell

I deserve gold

Legit whenever I play someone leaves 50% of the time, I’m a phara/junker queen main

I don’t know if I believe in Elo hell😅 but I did get the bronze 5 bug (7W-3L was my placements for DPS). And I’m sitting in middle gold now. I noticed it’s a lot harder for DPS to climb out of lower ranks because support basically ignores the low health indicators making me stay out of the fight longer unless I run off for med packs. Tank I had no issue with my placements (no bug) and support is next.

If you dont believe in elo hell then you're oblivious to the game because you can que in 5 stacks. I won 4 lost 4 and went from silver 1 to silver 4. Right after that i won 7 and lost 1 and went from silver 4 to silver 3. game is dead thanks to ranking system lmao

Fun idea for a video, but then it would take a lot of work to decypher which of the bronze players are actual bronze and which aren't. Putting one guy and only watching him is more telling. If a bronze performs similarly as his teammates in plat and isn't dragging the team down, he belongs in plat, it's pretty simple.

@@Pr3st0ne no no thats where you are wrong, u dont need to be so bad to literally make the game unplayble for 4 other people so then you are not plat, lower elo players are still playing the game to some degree, a bronze mercy wouldnt take out the pistol and go in front of his tank trying to 1v1 the enemy tank, if there are 4 plat players in your team thats definitely enabling you as a bronze and you are gonna play better than your average games maybe, doesnt mean you are plat, an actual plat player would easily carry bronze games, even golds can do that, but if u are bronze you are tops silver, if you are silver you are tops gold, if ur skill level is way higher than your elo then u gonna carry, specially with the new system that recalibrates your sr rather than just have plus minus 25 sr every game.

@@rezabazm4602 nah i got stuck in bronze dps for a bit and yeah sometimes mercys did just go full battle mercy for no reason. and when it comes to carrying, you can definitely tell when your teammates aren’t pulling their weight. you can tell when you need to carry, and clearly this was not then. He was making a lot of mistakes still, not gonna pretend otherwise. But if his teammates were complimenting him, then I feel like that should indicate that they didn’t feel like they had to compensate for bad healing.

@@rezabazm4602 What do you mean by "recalibrates your sr"?

@@randomdeliveryguy means it wont just increase ur medal by 1, based on your performance u can change a lot after those 7 wins, for example i jumped from bronze 3 to silver 2 in 1 go

Bruh I’m in plat rn mainly play tank and he is better then half the players I play with. This dude def in Elo hell and people down playing him. His positioning and like game iq for certain situations needs work but I seriously don’t see a difference. Bro was tracking rlly well on every thing knew when to use damage and heal etc. but Tbf I’m I’ve only seen the kings row game so far. My healers won’t push half the time when it’s a 5v3 lmao

That was my thought as well. Seems to be Gold to me. Not Plat, but not bad

@@cjnelson669 I think his main issue was that he was completely focused on tracking his teammates, which is good for a support, but neglected tracking the enemies and so ended up in really weird spots. I still have this problem tbh, it's hard keeping track of 15 different things at once. Also, he does really need to practice a bit with all of the different moment abilities on the supports he plays. I def saw some janky movements while he was playing mercy, but at least he was attempting it and vaguely knew what he needed to do

@@techwizsmith7963 there’s things to make this easier, like looking at what roles people are playing, if there’s a tank there’s usually gonna be a healer nearby, if it’s dmg who’s spending all their time flanking then look around every couple seconds, it’s also not your role to be focused on what everyone is doing because people should be getting their job done

@@cjnelson669 I just commented, I was stuck in elohel gold for a long time. Then I quit playing comp. I was an easy plat 5 player at a minimum.

I wouldn't be surprised if plat players had a pact where if you are playing with a lower level player you throw the game so their team does not win.

Come here!!!

As a Rein main (on tank) that spans “come here,” I can confirm this is true

it's the for physiological effect

I have "Come here" bound to a button so I can spam it while also playing well 😭

Valorant Curios or Eggwick, one of the two, started these types of videos, so if you're into Valorant you can watch those videos.

@@justinvzu01 no they didn't. These vids started 5 years ago in OW 1

@@amerhst1201 if anything, predate OW entirely lol

@@justinvzu01 🤡

The trick with mercy is to identify your best teammate and pocket them, always try to keep heals on everyone, but when topped off give the damage to the good player, or the one best positioned to do something

Mercy can climb but only if you can use her pistol, it actually does decent damage

This is just false as someone who started in silver way back in Season 7 and now have been masters all roles You can definitely climb with mercy. You can’t just heal bot you have to damage boost when people are using abilities and there aren’t crits. Practice the fly mechanics they are game changing. How to superjump: Fly then crouch How to spring: fly then hold backwards then jump Or fly then jump How to turn fly: fly to then look where you want to go then jump. Another tip is you need your team to group up when you ult it’s much more effective this way. Try ulting mid team fight this way the enemy has already wasted cool downs and committed to the fight it’s harder for them to escape. Sometimes ulting in is good but usually not. Don’t pop 2 support ults in the same fight if you see your other support use their ult save yours for next fight. Make sure to res when you can and another huge tip is heal your other healer before anyone else. If you ignore them and let them die you’re stuck solo healing for the remainder of the team fight. Don’t be afraid to whip out your pistol especially in your ult if you see a widow or sniper take that fight while in valk Strafe and make your movement really erratic while spamming headshots. Lasting heal your dps even if they are flanking don’t follow them into the enemys backline instead meet them halfway. Never leave the formation for someone who is massively out positioned you will die. Instead tell them to play health packs and try to get out alive. Hope this helps

@@desox123 I'm not saying you can't climb as Mercy. I don't think anyone will argue that mercy has the lowest carry-ability amongst the support hero pool. Have two shit dealers, you can grab a few solo kills and keep pumping good healing with Bap, Lucio, Moira, etc. You can't do that with Mercy.

No the trick is be a tank havethe most damage and have a healer just healing

Are you guys full team?

It really depends.. a lot of bronze players think they know what they are doing and arent open to criticism. Having a full team just makes them develop bad habits that when they solo they arent playing at that level. Why i wish solo and full queue rank mmr should be separate. Exp this shit so much in rank mobile games bunch of egirls acting like they know how to play

100% agree I have two accounts one I solo on and the other I play with teams makes a difference

Sadly of my 5 stack only has 3 good players (including me)

Exactly lol I need a team right cause these tanks are killing me. I only play open competive.. Meaning we could have 5 tanks but it feels better than normal.

I think you're pretty spot on. If you don't make plays yourself, especially at lower ranks, you're definitely only going to go as far as your team takes you.

That's why I mainly play Ana. The grenade can tip a team fight and I have the sleep dart for when my team inevitably ignores me getting dived on 😄

@@firemin5398 Support main what was he supporting he was pocket healing both on mercy and moira, the role is called support and not healing for a reason his gameplay was terrible.

@@Dodgegame yeah these kids who are gold/silver themselves can’t see the numerous massive flaws in the gameplay. Like bro you have to create value and picks not just farm healing numbers off your tank. In the entire video he had a grand total of 2 final blows.

He did better in the game where his team didn't comm though.

being a dps healer just is what the class is called, support. you're not a healer. you're a support. you support. you make your other teammates jobs easier. you're not just pumping healing nonstop

Yeah there where a lot of times where he hadn't been paying attention to teammates around him, and it didnt seem like he was using sound queues to help. When I play support simply being able to hear my teammates get hurt helps so much so i dont start to tunnel vision. I wouldn't say he's bronze tho

yeah tunnel vision is horrible especially in the support role, you gotta look around all the time, someone could flank up behind

Of course you're a Mercy main.

@@EpicLulz000 So what is the problem with that? Everyone has a main

There is a difference actually if u jumped while GA and looked up it will get u higher and u will have some control on the mobility but if u crouched it will launch u straight upward so yeah depending on the placement u will need to chose what’s better to use

@@shamah1234561 I quite literally know… but it was clear he didn’t know how to use it regardless. That’s what I was pointing out, I don’t get what the purpose of your comment was. Also that’s not true at all, GA has a meter, using just strictly GA and pressing Jump does not make you go higher than pressing Crouch. They are equal distance uses.

@@Lemonayeds looking up does get you more height, actually

@@jack8162 No it doesn’t, you have a literal meter that tells you how high you are going to go. It is not that hard to understand. It’s all based on when you press jump or crouch.

@@jack8162 they reworked mercy guardian angel. It’s consistent and not just a bug anymore

It's the games fault for not explaining this better through visual queues

You're not wrong there, although if im not mistaken there is a small, veerrryyy small yellow healing aura on the person while that heal over time is in effect. But it's so hard to even see, they need to make it bigger.

@@derptime9000 def hard to see if a lot is going on.

@@Envy707 Yea it's very unnoticeable

i only hold heal if my teamates are really low and need healing

depends on what supports you play and how good you actually are. If you genuinely don't belong in a rank then some1 like bap is better because you can keep your tank alive with immort long enough to trade his life by killing someone yourself. You can choose who to save and when, while killing ppl. But that's only if you genuinely deserve to be higher.

In ow1 this was somewhat true, but i think that's completely wrong in ow2. Support ults are often the best ults of anyone, and alot of supports can do like 70-80% of the dmg of a tank/dps while also keeping others up. I think it's the most skill related of all the roles right now.

@@AAGEnzee support ults require your team to make something of them, which doesnt happen often.

@@notVLK no? Not anymore than most ults, cept for ana, of course. They can certainly be amazing if the team makes something of them, but even Kiriko and Bap's, could just be used solo and get a pick or two if you're half decent. But, even with Ana's, there is almost always at least ONE good player on your team that you can give it to and they'll make use of it. Ignore the shitty genji crying for it if your tank is the one actually playing well. Ult combos only matters if you're both on the same page and/or good. While nano is better for someone like genji, if he isn't playing well it's better to give it to a dva or ball that is. Assuming you are actually timing it well yourself, of course. If you can't figure out who that good player on the team is, then that's a weakness in your own game awareness. Alternatively, sometimes you simply use it to save someone's life long enough for YOU to kill the person they are losing a 1v1 to. It doesn't have to result in a team kill to have been worth it.

they literally do require your team to do something with it tho. if your team doesnt take advantage of mercy valk or lucio beat or zen trans or brig rally while theyre basically immortal or have the ability to play a little riskier than normal then theyre literally pointless. kitsune rush is so much better if your entire team uses it, yet they dont. plus i dont think you should need kitsune rush in a 1v1. just hit their head or dip. waste of a fight changing ult. nano is the worst example of what i said. literally when you nano someone all they have to do is press q + nano is super easy to charge

I love how you called the hero champion

@@luckyfrog3575 let's be honest if rein was on a colosseum he'd be a champion

@@luckyfrog3575 None of that Paladins flim-flam!

100% the same experience as me. I feel like i just learned positioning lol

Probably. I’ve only been playing for about a month and half and my first placement was silver 2 and I got to gold 2 in a couple more placements so I feel like I bypassed the bronze/silver habits.

We can't assume he's stuck in Elo Hell. He plays well, but there could be a bunch of factors. If this is him sober, than obviously he's going to be worse drunk. He could also not take breaks after losses and get tilted. A lotta serial derankers just play too much while in a bad mindset.

elo hell doesnt exist in overwatch 2, you can quite literally solo carry in overwatch 2 against bronzes if you are gold/plat level.

They fixed the damage tapping btw, the change is insignificant and you're better off just holding it

Bro , your accuracy is probably sub 30% and you giving rank recommendations 😂

@@theendofallgoodthings9676 Wild that you assume that with 0 indicative information. Are you projecting? It’s okay dude, I understand it’s frustrating to be hard stuck in a low ELO. But you can climb out with enough effort and time.

@@drewvisser9258 😂 only low tier players think they have all the answers in the world. Wild how you butt into my conversation doing the only thing mongrels can accomplish , 🍆🚴🏻‍♂️'n

@@drewvisser9258 oh, your not even anyone new 😂 just a guy name drew who has two grade school girls as his prof pic.

@@theendofallgoodthings9676 Those are my little sisters good sir 🤣

Until a single person with a brain cell on the enemy team goes Genji Sombra Tracer Winston etc

@@Nyxtia Moira works well to check Genji, Sombra, and Tracer tho?

@@braxbro6674 Moira can survive okay into them, but she can't peel Ana well and if she tries to the frontline gets rolled. It turns Ana into a liability, it's why you pair her with an MS (Brig, Lucio, Mercy) in high level play.

Ana isnt that strong atm. You'll get dived easy. Kiriko cleanses your nades and sleeps.

@@Nyxtia Only one that's a real problem is Winston because of time to kill, the rest gets smocked if ana hits her sleep or nades. Moria eats Genji for breakfast

Can’t stand watching flats flame lower rank players, guy has a huge ego and genuinely pisses me off

Yeah I love how he actually is nice about the Criticism I hate seeing these other streamers making fun of lower ranks and people who clearly need help and advice . They put titles like “spectating the worst genji player I’ve ever seen in gold!” Etc while calling them dumb bad etc

@@munt368 You're abit of a dumbass if you don't realize his Spectating Bronze series isn't ment to actually help people- more funni Bronze being Bronze clips. Besides, have you actually watch any of his guides? Dude legitimately gives out great tips when he wants to.

@@munt368 Thats the entire point of the series. They literally sign up to get flamed.

Yeah but the other team are honestly just as bad, you just gotta work out what the issue is, which player you need to shut down, how your comp works or doesn't work against their comp etc and help where you can

The thing that annoys me to no end is how suports in low elo have 0 target prioritization. Like a mercy and a moira will rush to heal a half hp hanzo at the exact same time, moira will try to heal a teammate literally no matter the obstacles or distance between them, she'll just instaspray in that direction, mercy will heal literally the first thing she sees that's critical, sometimes it's a tank the whole game... unbelievable stuff...

ngl just dont go in vc and turn off the text chat as well because the dumb shit the cretins in silver will say will just frustrate you. and if you try comming in these ranks most of the time no one is in vc anyway and even if they are they dont want to listen to you because they think they are right and they know what they are doing, and comming takes away mental focus you should put into your gameplay. dont bother comming at all until like mid plat or diamond

Turn every chat off in low elo, there's 0 calling and everyone uses them for toxicity purposes

Support main is the only time elo hell exists, because if your dps has shit aim and your tanks dont push you just will never win. Biggest thing bronze-gold needs to learn is how to gain an advantage and then push (so ult to get one pick, a good play, health difference, etc). Too many people sit at the choke and farm Ult for the other team. But if you play enough games youll rank up fast. Though I gotta say, since ow2 placed so many people low rank who just havent played in awhile has skewed the skill levels pretty badly

wrong. YOU might just be a sheep

I tell this to everyone. Everybody is a plat or diamond in mechanics due to years and years of training by just playing. However, In OW you climb by teamplay, teamsense, and teamwork - NOT individual contribution. There are some diamond players that can't aim for shit. OW is 2000% team dependent and Blizzard likes it that way. He can't climb not because of his skill, but this lack of team skill.

​@@DiscoWalrus uh.... no. There is a combination of both team play and individual play. How on earth did you arive to this conclusion. And that part about "Everyone is a plat or diamond in mechanics". I think what you meant to say is that everyone can at least get to plat/diamond with their given great utilization of teamplay ect. But to suggest that everyone on average has the mechanics of a plat/diamond player is just wrong. There are averages for each rank of the level of mechanics and they rise with each rank, as does teamplay. So no, not everyone has the mechanics of plat diamond. And no, overwatch is dependent on both individual skill AND teamplay.

@@DiscoWalrus Yeah this just sounds like a lot of cope, I agree that overwatch is highly teambased and you can definitely lose even when you're playing perfect if your team is bad but alot of people in diamond and above still had to climb there and even at high elo there are bad teammates, individual contribution matters and there are things that works at every elo such as good positioning and cooldown management. Getting used to how low elo players play just means abusing things that bad players do and getting used to not being punished for your mistakes. Learning what you can do better will help you climb, constantly thinking it's other people's fault will not help.

@@DiscoWalrus 1000% agree. I’m a Mei main who hasn’t played since 2018. I climbed from Bronze to Plat 2 in about 28 wins and I have piss poor aim. Can’t hit scan to save my life lol. But with good team play, comms, and game sense, Mei is an absolute menace who can isolate tanks with ice walls and turn every team fight from a 5v5 into 5v1 for 6 seconds. And the self sustain of ice block is perfect in lower ranks. My win rate with Mei is like 72% right now. Something crazy. I refuse to believe ELO hell exists. If I can climb to plat after not playing for years with a non-meta character, anyone can do it. But doing it as a support, good luck lol. I’ve accepted I won’t climb higher than plat just because my FPS mechanics aren’t what they used to and I don’t have as much time to play as an adult. But game sense alone can carry a C-tier hero into plat.

Yeah those are great. It helps the discussions around this subject too.

I Won 7 Games 3 Times and went Fron Bronze 3 to Bronze to Bronze 1 to Bronze 2 that doesnt make sense to me

@@bennet6730 how many losses in between tho

I am a new player never touched the game before. I started 1 week ago. lost 7 straight games in my placement and got put in bronze 1. I asked what ranks they were and some said diamond. So the lobbies we got rolled on in the placement matches had previous diamond players. I was mainly using sojourn and orisa. The games we won I did perform better than most though. Got one game with 45 kills.

@@bennet6730 your performance was probably mediocre if that’s the case.

Drinking improves my gameplay for the first 3-4 lite beers, then it tapers off and starts to decline after about 6. That’s still about 1.5hrs of grinding for me.

@@The0nlyy yeah if you actually have a couple beers you’ll probably improve, cause you’re not drunk to the point where you’re all over the place, but you’re chilled out and relaxed, which definitely helps. And for me I get less pissed off after a couple of beers so if I lose I won’t lose my mind.

Right now the game is so chaotic that is seems pointless to climb to the top, but it is better than it was in a way, but we have to stick together more than anything through all the BS. I only play QP Role Que daily but if anyone needs a teammate that literally only plays the game because they are bat shit insane and just cannot care anymore hmu. That seems to be why most (including myself) don't join voice because at times you don't need anyone questioning skill.

While I drink, I noticed I rarely drink and game together. Overwatch itself is all the toxic consumption I need.

This was probably one of the smartest things I’ve ever read on RU-vid. By far. It’s interesting and thank you

Have you published your thesis anywhere, or could you send me a private copy so I can read it? Super interesting stuff.

@@Jay3 as a valorant player who climbed from the lowest rank (yes I was placed at the lowest rank, it was my first fps) to immortal, and now a new ow player, id 100% say elo hell exists and usually u'd have to make some break through that lets u absolutely body everyone at u r rank to rank up. I remember particularly being stuck in iron, gold, low diamond and usually i either one tricked a broken character that didn't get nerfed and my game sense adapted over time with plaeyrs around me, or there was an improvement in my aim.

Fr I don’t know why people in chat acting like he deserves bronze I’m gold and he’s better then me

mk whats ur rank

Copper 1

That gets a yikes from me

i mean ow2 placed old plats in bronze so those people are stuck with bronze teammates and cant climb.

@@paranosis5460 They're all climbing though.. It's literally not hard to climb out of bronze, it just takes a specific skillset that most players stuck in bronze don't possess. Every single rank has its own requirements of what it takes to climb. Bronze and Silver are both very dependent on your mechanics and your proactiveness to force advantages before enemies have a chance to snowball a situation (usually with ults and high pick potential abilities). If you can master this combination of traits then you will get out of Bronze easy. (Notice how the enemy Ana is constantly taking shots at Intoxicated whenever there's an opening for it, constantly applying meaningful pressure, hitting solid pre-fight sleeps, etc). In middle ranks it's all about making sure you're not dying to random bs, not staggering, not taking unfavorable fights, etc - on top of whatever was required in bronze-silver. But specifically understanding timing your engages with your team and not overinvesting when you already have an advantage, is key. Diamond-Masters is all about understanding tempo and space. Knowing how to keep high tempo rolling when your team has the advantage (tempo ults etc), and knowing how to slow the enemy team's tempo at key moments (making them waste time, spend cooldowns prematurely, split their attention -and thus their collective course of action, etc). While also understanding what space you can take and give, and when it's most efficient to do one or the other, knowing what to invest where, opening angles, making sure the enemy doesn't open angles on your team, etc. The key to all elos is that there is no hell. There are just individual obstacles for each elo, and if you don't have the insight to realize what that obstacle is, then you don't deserve to climb. Because all the players in the ranks above you have passed that test and proven they have whatever basics were required from the ranks below. To get to play with good team mates, you need to prove first that you yourself are a good team mate when it comes to the very core of your gameplay that is expected as the set standard at that elo. So if you have good ability uptime and are able to follow as a support in a plat team - but you don't master the act of using your mechanics and being proactive in/before fights when needed, then you are inherently not up to the gold-plat standard baseline -nor are you likely to consistently gain sr to get out of bronze. Climbing is not kind, it's not forgiving. It doesn't judge you on your potential, nor does it judge you on your peak plays. It judges you on your ability to gain value outside of what falls naturally in your lap.

@@paranosis5460 you realize that doesn’t make any sense at all right

this guy is terrible

@@luket360 he is but ive seen people twice as bad in gold and plat lobbies

@@psych0536 i know, im suffering their existence

@@luket360 youre of the people you hate.....

Yeah i’m kinda stuck in the silver 2 area as a mercy main, i get the same stats every game (10k heal per 10) (around 1.5k amped per 10) Obviously it’s a lot more when i get a decent DPS… Essentially what determines whether i win or lose is teammate RNG

I discovered that too messing around with Kiriko. I need to get better at it though because switching from healing to landing a headshot at that speed is tough

How does that make sense if you have to win 10 games to place?

He's okay, but as someone who was high plat in OW1, his reaction speed is slow.

I got no aim and i just got placed in Gold 3 by playing only brig and moira. You dont need aim to be in the mid ranks.

@@MeowLesty yeah my support is gold now and the rest are silver.

Not really true it's the basics of overwatch to target the healers and being someone that was stuck in bronze/silver as a healer, healers will always be dived and that's just how it is in comp.

@@jack8673 And I'm saying as a diamond+ healer who has played in bronze/silver with my friends many times. I rarely got dove and the times I did get dove were a result of me making high risk plays knowingly. Just knowing basic positioning as a support and not wasting cooldowns will not only help you not get dove but also allow you to live being dove. If you're ALWAYS being dove in all your games and dying then that's a you problem my guy. I usually get dove in my normal games maybe 4-5 times before the other team realizes it might not be worth diving me and goes for the other support. Unless their team can coordinate a dive with at least 3 people I'm living 90% of the time and taking 1 of them with me.

That's just incorrect, while lower elo divers may be worse at the game and take longer to finish you off, your team doesn't protect you at all. There's a reason there's a huge support shortage in OW2 compared to OW1 and why Moira is so prevalent in low elo. Lack of second tank = less peel and easier picks for divers

@@SalsaRimjob like you said, you were playing with friends who treat you, as an experienced player, as a high value player to keep alive. Compare this to an average silver support player whose team is focused on the enemy

@@SalsaRimjob you have skill the average silver or bronze player doesn’t have. And also friends in VC to peel for you. You cannot compare your experience with a bronze player in solo que.

Crossplay with PCs turns off console aim assist.

If ur good u will go up if ur bad u will go down that’s it

@@mordecai8315 and if you have good skills but bad teammates you go down

@@Eekeo no

@HeroinMonster there literally is though. There are people who solo que from bronze to masters. People like to think its luck but if you cannot climb no matter what you do, then you're in the rank you belong. The system isnt sentient, it doesn't care.

@@Eekeo no u don’t maybe for 1 game but if ur better u will go up the ranks

Then*

got bronze am plat now and my teammates are way worse in plat

Same here. Placed bronze 5 when I was mid plat in ow1. I already jumped to gold 3 and the games are still too easy. That bug is wasting my time!

I got put into silver after my 7 placements matches, now i'm at 24 games with only like lost 6 of them with a winrate of 73% but still in the silver bracket >.>

idk y’all are basically smurfing then so should be easy and fun to carry hard and just destroy the enemy team in the lobbies you’re in

lol ok hes literally a bronze player... he did fine. he clearly doesnt belong bronze lol.

Dude didn't say he deserves master. They barely do that in diamond 🤣