This DARK Theory Completely Flips Harry Potter's Ending - Harry Potter Theory 

I think maybe if such a soul piece still existed it moved from Harry to his child maybe even being able to restore it into a complete soul imean his son even looks just like young Tom riddle

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That theory is an idea I came up with for a character I imagined in Stranger Things. There was a darkness in another character that had powers like El, except far stronger, and later, it would take control of him.

I though you were going more with "blood in his veins" isn't it strange that Lilly love for Harry was in Voldemort but it didnt help him survive? And that they take Voldemort body to Hogwart ... No buried or burn? But to place more save than Gringot bank? Why? ... But if he is still alive... The most powerful wizard nobody can kill ... Wouldnt be logical to have eye on him? In prison with propably most powerful wizards as guards! What i say is ... Meaby he is still alive, cant be killed but still to weak to be dengerous ... At least for now.

harry went to limbo because he died he only came back because he had the resurrection stone and Voldemort took his place because the last piece of him died instead of harry because the stone brought him back

I think cursed child would be good af tho

@@DeadLogic-bm8rj it could be, but it needs to be modified... A lot

Yeah... completely changing the way time turner's worked really damaged the plot

Personally I wish j.k. Rawling would do a series on that. Voldemorts child. Both she and Voldemorts mother used a love potion on their fathers. Plus if Voldemort has a child, maybe the legacy can continue.

Why do people hate it. It's more about the kids than anything.

Thanks for pointing this out! Makes sense.

Yet Ron could spesk snake even if only a literal few words he ain't no Salazar heir. I suggest they get Harry to try and see into Voldys mind... Oh wait there isn't one lol

@@Martyn_Wolf from the movies “Harry talks in his sleep” 🤣

@@Martyn_Wolf that wasn’t in the books

@@diabloakland Yes it is. Ron uses a tiny bit of Parsaltounge to open the chamber of secrets in Death Hallows during the battle of Hogwarts, to obtain the Basalisk fangs that Hermione's uses to destroy the cup of Hufflepuff.

I always had issues with the portrait having the same intelligence as the real person.. Maybe it's just a mirror

Tom Riddle became the new Micheal Myers lol

I think also he could not make any more horcrux's than the seven originally made the body would be checked for life and sorted that way .

@@steventaylor4798 yeah and with only 1/7th to 1/9th (idk how much of his soul is lost each of the two times his body dies) of his soul left, Voldemort is probably significantly weakened and taken down several power levels. I don't think a single fragment of his soul could be enough to somehow take control over a very powerful adult Harry.

Haven’t heard of this one (somehow). Sounds very sinister! I may have to look in to it more

How did he get Ginny pragnent than?

@@dracmalfoy8664 I mean Dumbledore definitely knows how it works even if he plays for the other hole 😂

@@dracmalfoy8664 you mean pregananant!?

Wait this is actually genius

why do people forget about the resurrection stone harry had it and that is why he didn't die and why he came back it had nothing to do with Harry's soul being intact harry died plain and simple along with Voldemort's remaining piece of soul. the stone allowed harry to come back. but Voldemort didn't have the stone

@@theogghost9872 he dropped the stone before he died tho

@@Trikzzarn no he died his hand opened and he had the stone in his hand

@@theogghost9872 “I was, it seems . . . mistaken,” said Voldemort. “You weren’t.” Harry said it as loudly as he could, with all the force he could muster. He did not want to sound afraid. The Resurrection Stone slipped from between his numb fingers, and out of the corner of his eyes he saw his parents, Sirius, and Lupin vanish as he stepped forward into the firelight. At that moment he felt that nobody mattered but Voldemort. It was just the two of them. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 34. The forest again, page 592 of 638

@@theogghost9872 no pls read the books. Resurrection stone doesn't actually bring dead people back only a mere ghost of them. Stone did nothing to bring Harry back, voldemort's horcrux inside him died & his own soul survived b'cuz of Lily's blood protection which was flowing in voldy's body as well

Yes , that soul fragment / horcrux was destroyed as Dumbledore pointedly tells Harry in the limbo Kings Cross thus it would and could not be there. Harry wasn't killed but his soul was put into limbo because his mothers love protection had blocked Voldemort's killing curse once again. As his body was still alive his soul could choose to return back to it or move on. That protection however did not extend to Voldemort's soul fragment/ horcrux inside Harry so it was destroyed. Voldemort was tethered to Harry through his blood so he went into limbo with Harry when he did the killing curse but he was also tethered to life because Nagini was still living. This means both Harry and Voldemort were in limbo together and both could return and did. However the soul fragment / horcrux no longer existed though. Once Neville killed Nagini Voldemort's last horcrux was gone and Harry was able to kill him. The proof that the soul fragment / horcrux inside Harry was truly destroyed is that Harry's scar never bothered him again and he lost his ability to speak Parseltongue .

Not necessarily, could be the killing curse rips the soul instantly and violently which is traumatic enough for the body to kill it while the dementors kiss takes the soul gradually, still quickly, but gradually to some extent, removing the instant violent part of the equation which makes the body able to handle it. Or the act of the kiss first transfers something to the recipient causing the body to be paralyzed in some figurative way leading to it enduring the otherwise traumatic removal. I dunno just speculating..

The killing curse kills you it’s in the name

The dementors kiss is like a scalpel. It's similar to lobotomy in its precision. It does ONE thing: take the soul, while leaving the body alone. The killing curse rips the soul from the body and causes the body to just stop working altogether.

@@jaybird0312 I say, the Demontor's kiss actually does a brain damage similar to Labotomy. Wizards, unware of any science altogether (check Hogwarts Syllabus, u'll yak), just couldn't make the difference.

If has active anchors the former would not happen, if all anchors are gone and he fell in he would be trapped.

I heard Rowling confirmed Harry DID lose Parseltongue ability and much of his hotheadedness, implying the evil soul fragment's not with him anymore ... but that doesn't mean it has to be gone forever EITHER, does it? Hmmmmmmm ...

The epilogue says “and he never heard a snakes speak parseltongue again.” Or something to that effect I’m sure. Don’t think they mention his temperament in the epilogue, but wouldn’t surprise me if that’s a interview detail.

@@TheOriginalCFA1979 The epilogue actually said, "the scar didn't hurt for 19 years"

@@svetlananikolaeva8039 I wonder what happened after that 19yrs. Because this phrasing implies that it did hurt again for him after the 19yrs.

@@tovarishcheleonora8542 I don’t think it means anything just the epilogue kinda picked up 19 years later

Read my comment for my take on that exact scenario.

Gotta feel sorry for Nagini , she never asked for the life she got. Gotta feel sorry for her...

@@markanthonypittaway1539 I agree, hugely

@@macwelch8599 R.I.P Nagini

Possibly not all horcruxes. Someone pointed out, that Hermione has duplicated the locket, when they got out of Ministry, effectively duplicating the part of Voldemort's soul inside!

Nagini was made a horcrux after GoF

@@majorbadidea The more you know. I didn't recall that but apparently it's true, should be in the chapter about horcruxes in Half Blood Prince. Even so, when Tom Riddle was alive he could have made a living horcrux and then taken over that instead of drinking unicorn blood. So i am still not sure it changes things. Who would want to be his horcrux? Still Nagini, but she was AFAIK invented into existence in GoF so that wouldn't be possible in canon. In fact, most of the stuff about horcruxes are made up mid story. So nothing is canon and so we are back to square one. Voldemort could have taken oven anyone had he had access to and wanted too before his defeat. Rather than linger in Harry until many years later and then attempt a take over of a powerful and resisting wizard. Some people enjoy going up the wrong way on an escalator but not when their lives depend on it.

@Cadde yeah let's be honest it's not exactly a documentary comparable to ASOIAF. The books are great, but the system is broken on many occasions for the benefit of the story

Yep.

No. Being "a master of death" is more of a metaphor here since it does makes u extremely powerful to have all 3 hallows but they don't guarantee that a person won't die. He didn't die simply b'cuz voldy ended up destroying his own soul inside Harry's body instead of Harry's soul. Also b'cuz Lily's blood protection was not only in harrry but Inside Voldys body as well when he used his blood to revive his body back

Not exactly. He didn't die because he was master of the unbeatable wand specifically. The cloak helped him not die because he could always hide under it, and it never wore off, but it didnt help him in the final fight. The ring....there was no practical use for the ring other than seeing dead people. Didn't stop him from dying at all.

I mean one of the hallows is called the resurrection stone so I’m pretty sure that’s what brought him back to life

@@JoshNicotine no, somebody has to actually use the stone to bring somebody else back. Nobody brought Harry back.

I like your thinking, but your typos almost made it impossible to read

A soul fragment can't move on to the afterlife nor come back as a ghost.

Yeah but wouldn’t be a neat idea? Besides, wouldn’t the Dark Lord look into becoming a ghost, given his fear of dying?

No, it was not the deathly Hallows that let Harry return, it was Lily's sacrifice continuing to live because voldemort had Harry's blood that let him return

Just to clarify, bin Laden was buried at sea, so that there would be no gravesite to visit.

Interesting!

This is actually very logical. Makes total sense.

But doesn't such duplication only create an object similar, not transferring all the qualities of the original to it? Never thought too deep about it, but if you're right it's ground shaking!

@@domashnie_lubimtsy Perhaps..., but the enchanted treasures in the Lestrange vault kept on duplicating themselves continuously. Wouldn't that have stopped after one duplication, if the enchantment didn't carry over to the copies? It might be different when a piece of soul is involved..., but still.

@@Idorazan yeah, that's definitely a possibility to consider. On the other hand, if the piece of a soul could be duplicated, why didn't the dark lord try to just in case? And if it's an exact copy does death of the original effect it? Anyway it's a solid riddle 👍🏻

A seven part soul was what he was interested in. Six horcruxes plus the bit bit in his body which wouldn't be a horcrux. Thus Harry was the unintended seventh horcrux, unbeknownst to Voldemort, leaving him with eight part soul.

Actually, no. Each time he splits his soul, it’s stated he splits it in half. So the first time he would have half a soul, the second time a quarter, third time an eighth. By 7th Horcrux we’re looking at more like 0.5-1% soul remaining. When Harry and Voldemort met in the Forbidden Forest, Harry literally had more of Voldemort’s soul than Voldemort had.

@@TheOriginalCFA1979 Where is it stated that it's always cut in half and not split equally among all the parts? Not saying either of us is right or wrong, just questioning if it was ever stated specifically.

You mean Petunia EVANS? And if Snape still called Lily the M word and she still gave up on him, would he go after PETUNIA?

Supercarlinbrothers just made a video on that fairly recently go check it out

I should add... The END of the story is what makes a story great. That's the worst part about comic book retcons and movie/TV reboots where they take a final-end story and throw in time travel or dimensional portals or cloning or magic and recreate the main character(s). It devalues the ending and takes away all the meaning of all accomplishment because the next guy can come along and undo that with the same trick.

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I generally agree, but perhaps it’s not the soul removal that’s lethal? It’s been a LONG time since I read the books, but I didn’t think the kiss was described as “ripping” the soul but “sucking out” the soul. I could be completely wrong about that. Potentially the difference is the Dementor’s kiss is a slower extraction of the soul, which gives the body time to adjust, whereas Avada Kedavra rips the soul free in an instant, sending the body into “shock” and shutting it down? Sort of like the bends. You can slowly bring yourself to the surface when diving and be fine, but if you rocket to the surface as fast as you can you could die half way up from a brain embolism, or worst yet you’re a saturation diver and go from a few hundred feet below the water to surface level instantly and explode, because you needed 2 weeks of slowly having the pressure lowered back to surface pressure.

I think that having your soul removed by a Dementor, brings the result akin to Brain Death. Your body is still alive, but nothing of what makes you, you is there. The Killing Curse, I think, does more than just wrench your soul from your body. When the body dies naturally, it can no longer house the soul within it, so the soul moves on. The Killing Curse CEASES everything that the body does to stay alive; breathing, heartbeat, brain-and-body connection, etc., so the soul moves on.

@@TheOriginalCFA1979 Interesting. I havent read the books for some time as well.

My headcannon is that Avada kedavra destroys the soul while the dementors only remove it so while with a dementor your body can survive because the soul exists somewhere there isn’t any chance of that with avada kedavra hence why it’s an unforgivable curse while dementors aren’t, atleased you have a chance to get to the afterlife with them.

@@Bananabob3 Hmm, funny because I had somewhat of an opposite hunch after reading OP's comment. As in, the dementors devour your soul, but they need your body to stay alive for the process, otherwise their soul-dinner escapes to the afterlife, only partially consumed. So basically it's worse than death because if you don't get mercy-killed in the middle of the "kiss", you don't even get to have an afterlife. Your soul becomes a part of that dementor. Avada Kedavra, on the other hand, just makes your body-soul connection _(spiritual router? lol)_ instantly severed, which still enables you to move to the other side. Idk, that's just how I see it :P Interesting to read others' interpretations too, though.

I would not say "impossible" i would more say highly unlikely. Perhaps the piece of the soul became more sentient and just refused to share its powers with the host body. But to be fair Dumbledore even told Harry that the piece of Voldemorts soul was destroyed, as for if Dumbledore planted a piece of his soul inside Harry that is a different matter altogether. In Limbo Harry, Voldemorts soul, and Dumbledore. Why would he be there?

I don't see why not but if olivander is right the wand chose the wizard most won't work for just anyone they could use them but it would reduce the effect of there magic it might also be a financial thing that they are expensive but there will probably be someone who just collects wands just for display

@@kretisme that makes sense 😅

​@@kretismeThe wand chooses the wizard, if you best that wizard, that wizard's wand then chooses you as it's new master.

Sauron?

@@zekun4741 In a way both Sauron and Saruman. This is what I found regarding Saruman: In LOTR, it is said that when Saruman was killed, a “grey mist” appeared, rising slowly and looking to the West, when a wind from the West blew and dissolved the mist. From this we can assume that Saruman’s spirit attempted to return to Valinor, which, after all, was its home, but was denied, due to his failure in his mission. We can further assume that Saruman’s fea was diminished and no longer had the ability to form a body, greatly decreasing his ability to influence the Visible World. My guess is that Saruman’s spirit, like Sauron’s, was left naked in the world, diminished to the point of existing but unable to interact in any significant way.

So, the real world answer has been provided, and so I’ll give a couple in universe ones instead. 1) the ritual was too long/complicated/risky/exhausting to do in the middle of a Battle, it wouldn’t be ensuring survival but ensuring defeat. 2) mathematically speaking, which isn’t Rowling’s strong suit in her own words, every time Voldemort splits his soul it’s stated he splits it in half. So the first time he had 1/2 a soul, the second 1/4, the third 1/8, the fourth 1/16, the fifth 1/32, the sixth 1/64, and the seventh would leave him with 1/128th of a soul. Which would also mean Harry, the 6th Horcrux, would have twice as much of Voldemort’s soul as Voldemort. If Voldemort split his soul in half again, he’d be down to 1/256 of a soul. Which doesn’t sound healthy to me. It seems possible he’d already spread himself far too thin and realized another Horcrux would be or would likely be lethal. 3) Pride, hubris, and shortsightedness. Voldemort believed if he was the Master of the Elder Wand, as the most powerful Wizard to ever live, he would be unstoppable. He would only need one of his Horcruxes to prevent a natural death if he was the Master of the Elder Wand. He could even carry it around with him, it’s not like any body’s going to be able to take it from him while he has the Elder Wand in his possession, because he’s the most powerful Wizard with the most powerful wand. At the end of the Lord of the Rings, Sauron sends his entire army to confront Aragorn at the Black Gate, because Sauron knows Aragorn is a descendant of a great and powerful king, and doesn’t believe such a man could *ever* resist the power of His Ring. And so Sauron leaves the pass wide open for Frodo and Sam to slip through and destroy the One Ring, because Sauron also can’t perceive a reality in which any being could hold His Ring and not be completely taken in by the power it offers. Them destroying the Ring was impossible in his mind, nobody could resist the temptation of ultimate power, and the man who would use it against him just showed up with an army. Everything lead Sauron to believe the Ring was in Isildur’s Heir’s possession. Sauron throwing everything at that army and leaving Mount Doom unguarded was clearly a mistake, but it’s not a plot hole. Characters can make mistakes or be mistaken and make bad choices if the plot allows. I’m not sure what reason Rowling would give, but on the maths alone I’m fine with saying an 8th wouldn’t have been possible.

I believe the spell was only put on the actual "ring", and not the stone on it. It is not explained at all, even when the title litterly is "deathly hallows", maybe it is in the books. But as the stone didn't originally come on a ring, it's my guess at least.

@@MrSenses33 Correct. Remember that the vessels were all destroyed. And while the stone WAS cracked, it still functioned.

@@MrSenses33 that's fair

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Because it was in a living body, Voldemorts other horcuxes were made on purpose with very powerful charms protecting them, they had to be destroyed utterly in such a way they could not be but back together.

@@andydbedford And also we know it's not easy for the good guys to cast AK.

Think back to Dumbledores words to Snape, "When the time comes the boy must die, but it must be Voldemort that kills him". Im guessing the person who creates Horcruxes can destroy them without the use of special objects.