This DOOMFIST was accused of being a BAD TANK... Is it true? 

I can't exactly fault this guy for playing Doomfist like he does because I am absolute hot garbage at him, but this is also a prime example as to why I get really nervous when my tank insta-locks Doom, cause then I have to try to heal his ass while he's flailing behind all the walls.

The hardest thing about Doom is that he's not TANKY per se. He can take ground if used correctly to get that temporary health, but he is SO squishy. Especially against this comp.

This is not "Learning Doom against hard match-ups" When people say Orisa counters Doom, it means an Orisa who use Fortify when you punch him, and Spear you when you block. This Orisa didn't even do that. This is just "Learning Doom"

I’m really happy with the way you coach it’s framed perfectly as teaching moments and not just hating on this guy

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This doom is sadly a victim of using abilities off cool down. One thing you can do to improve on any hero is to play more patiently and make sure every time you use an ability, it lands with value. Practicing like this will help you recognize these moments and execute them faster and more accurately.

Emongg, these are truly my favourite OW videos right now. Your pauses on bad plays and stuff is so funny. I also love that you admit you do the same bad plays because even that is helpful to hear. You don't need to learn from pros you can learn from watching bad plays and you make it entertaining well done

Moira: "you're a bad tank" Doom: "Of course I am, that's why I'm stuck in the same low rank as you"

He spent way too much time on Doom either fighting the Orisa or facing up to the whole enemy team trying to hold space. You can't play Doom like a regular tank, he only has 450 health and a block, you can't just face tank damage, you may as well play Rein or Orisa if you are gonna play like that.

I like what this Doom is trying to do. He is clearly aware of the environment and often tries to punch behind cover or slam onto high ground. However, he does misuse his resources quite a bit and tends to be overly aggressive in silly ways. There's potential here. Gonna take time though. Gotta agree with Emongg. Appreciate the coaching style!

Landing punches is critical and I wonder do people use the charge meter to aim their punches or their crosshairs? I use the charge meter, as it helps you a lot, and your hit box is about as wide as it, so it feels to me.

i feel it was just mainly down to over usage of cooldowns and overcommitting and not bein able to escape afterwards. as long as they don’t spam cooldowns as much i think they could be fine

Good Doomfists can sometimes “counter” Orisas because they can’t peel when he dives the backline and ignores her. This guy was just trying to straight up win a fight with an Orisa on Doomfist. Just ignored the backline like 70% of the time.

This is a great video. Remember doom has very short cooldowns! To get good uptime, that means sometimes doing things that feels counterproductive... like slamming to cleave then punching back out, or maybe shooting once or twice then punching out. These 'sparring' maneuvers will draw out cooldowns, give you overhealth, and ult charge. You'll still get your CD's back first.

On one hand, I get that this Doom wants to learn but on the other I also get how frustrating it is for the rest of the team. Sometimes switching is the best course of action cause that's a very important part of Overwatch too.

Woooo doom fist gameplay and review, what a treat

2:47 I liked this sequence where the Doomfish looked at their tunnel visioned Moira like "so, are you going to notice i need healing or...?" it made me chuckle. don't get me wrong, I know Moira needs to do damage to get juice back in order to heal, but it is very obvious to me that the Moira had NO idea the Doom was even low. to be fair, we all do silly goose things sometimes. we all tunnel vision sometimes. so maybe this was just an unfortunate moment, not an indication of what's to come. 5:29 this Moira is a confirmed silly goose. that ult was something special lol

Feedback for your editor (if they read this): I can't see the cooldowns (which is especially important for characters like doom). You can afford to shrink the chat - I don't really care.

Bro needs to watch more doom guides and watch more high ranked gameplays. You’ll be surprised and how much better you get just by watching better gameplay. Mans was feeding, missing punches, and cancelling his slam. He needs to focus on playing with his team more, creating space, and focusing on their back line.

Just because the title of the mode says competitive doesn't mean there are stakes to each match. This isn't OWL where people play for prize money. Comp for 95% (probably more) of people is purely for self satisfaction of seeing a number go up.

I just recently started watching your videos, but I find them to be some of the most entertaining and informative Overwatch videos out there. On top of that, you're not rude or condescending to the person who submitted the video. You're snarky, but also very obviously helpful, and even self-effacing. It's refreshing. Bravo.

It felt like emongg was actually annoyed with this one.

As another (currently) plat 4 Doom main: The way you fight Orissa is to not fight Orissa. Create off angles, pick off isolated targets and distract the Orissa's team enough that her team is chasing a Doom 4v1 while the Orissa is fighting (and hopefully losing) a 4v1 against your team. You won't win a brawl against an Orissa,,,, ever.

I've never seen someone challenge their hard counter so much

This guy seems to jump into the backline alot without much thought of escape and he also loves to 1v1 the orisa, which obviously is not what you should do on doom. He needs to challenge the squishies and dive people who are away from their team. When people are holding high ground, he should be up there punching them off (Gibraltar is a good map for practicing this). During periods of time where there isn't anyone particularly vulnerable on the enemy team, the good ol' slam the team and punch out works a treat to build up some ult charge. of course, i'm not all that good at doomfist either, but these are still a few things that i think could be done to improve.

"Alright, here we go. Hmm. I'm glad. You know what? I really enjoyed that. I was wondering how Eichenwalde looked, and for you to give us that really cinematic sequence of showcasing Eichenwalde and taking the scenic route around the map was exactly what I was hoping for. So, we thank you for that. The ult was good to get out. I just love the route that the Doomfist took there." - emongg

Buddy, you don't want to be fighting the other tank as doom, unless they're feeding/low. Especially Orisa, stop shooting the horse.

I agree with Emongg, if the doom knew the roll out to go top let, the bastion and walk main as a turret and it now becomes an off angle if the team looks at Doom. And you got widow to turn the fight or pick the squishys

I dont play much tank but i got to masters one tricking doomfist, so i'll say this guy should really work on his target priority. obviously targetting orisa is bad most of the time, but it seems like when he gets those big charged punches and hits multiple people, he cant pick one target to try and finish so he ends up panicking and missing most of his left clicks. Being proficient with dooms left clicks is one of the most important things to being a good doomfist. it can often mean the difference to getting 0 kills and team kills

14:53 Honestly outside of his gameplay, his choices on who he engages/doesn't engage isn't the best. This right here is a good example.

In my opinion when i'm playing doomfist, learn his movement techs it will save you more often than not.

lore accurate doomfist (dueling the orisa)

Look, I'm a tank main, specifically rein, and I don't claim to be any good at doomfist, but he has freaky mobility for a reason, you should be making the supports look behind them because you decided to go after them. Not dive head first into your counter

18:39 he used ult to get health pack because he was low. idk if that was a good or bad play but i like the idea.

11:05 how is that contesting, but I will be standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE CART and still somehow not be close enough??

I always find it strange that Doom does a melee attack with his left hand.

first also i don't know why people are so mean when your just learning. Edit: i get that you need to practice in QP not comp but im was raised to not be mean to some one learning.

As a high plat player I feel like I can really talk about this since these could/would be my teammates. 1st I will bring out the positives, He isn't a bish just counter swapping, He's confident that's a good quality to have, I will say there were moments his team just wasn't there on some occasions. Now ... the negatives, 1st and biggest is his aim both with primary and punch, It seems He's panicking, ALOT, in team fights and trying to secure a elim, as We saw He can have nice aim as He did in the 1v1 against the Soldier close to the end, He needs to just relax and just calmly move his mouse, with punches He's just missing which both could be the outcome of being stressed which is just someone bro has to work on on his own, just go for like 5 minutes into a bot aim training in custom games to get the flicks, travel time and overall aim for primary and secondary. It seems He has a "idea" of how to play Doom but his decission making needs to be improved on (like You're 90 HP using Doom ull, just get out, even if You, somehow, kill someone with It You will fall over immidietly), there's no way You should hover over the ENTIRE enemy team with your ult at critical health thinking about if You should use It offensivly or to get out for 3,4 or 5 seconds, also It feels what ever decission He makes He's dead set on that decission as We saw with the Hanzo. I could straight up nick-pick but I'm not high ebough rank for It to be meaningfull and I could also go way more indepth but what's really the point of doing so in the comment section under a YT video.

Staying on doom when the other tank switches to orisa to “practice” in a comp game is ridiculous. I run into this problem all the time especially with doom players.

this doom is a*s to be honest lol, if they are playing LIKE THAT in RANKED, the Moira did well in being insistent on him to swap, because he was clearly hard tossing the game

Emongg, would you do a video for people who overcommit and dive too much? I know I have to look around and retreat but I never do it and it pains me 😢

Not bad for a doomfist novice to be honest. Hes a high skill ceiling tank for sure

I've said this a million times & I'll say it again if Elo hell does exist its Gold & Plat, I've had better tanks in Silver than Plat & no not bc "its slower" even tho it is but bc they don't feed they push up to create space, they take cover to get healing, but Gold & Plat is a gamble & this Doom is evident of that Both ranks are just too broad & overpopulated

Im so frustrated whenever he decided to throw an empowered punch to Orisa 😢

Classic plat tank problem shooting tank the entire time

If this was qp then he’d be grandmasters at the minimum

Can’t be a bad tank player if tank isn’t an actual role

Always ignore Orisa when playing Doomfist. Plus, Doomfist is a dive hero so it's in his nature to ignore the tank.

He shouldve just learned on quick play, thats what i did until i felt comfortable to play in comp

How do you get height on dooms abilities. I can never figure it out

Impossible.. tanks can’t be bad

Playing mobile tanks, u have to realise ur job is not to tank v tank orisa. She can't catch up with u. Go for the supports. Without heals then she dies

Ignore the horse

This is KINDA how I play with him. I am trash with him but I’ve always play him as a poke character

3:53 please tell me how that aoe range is balanced

I hate how chat is laughing, most of them are probably of a similar rank and lower. Meant to be educational and theyre just taking the piss

As of today, beta doom slam is back

Boy needs to watch more Zbra

This person definitely has potential! you can clearly see they know a lot of the stuff they want to do on doom, and now it's just a matter of continuing to play and practice and watching vods to make sure you're implementing the changes you want to make and finding further areas for growth. all in all, not terrible. I dont think having a perspective of "X was the weak link" is helpful because it leads to tunnel vision and the blame game. if you're serious about improving, focus on YOUR mistakes and misplays. so what if Moira was a silly goose at times? you probably wont ever play with them again. YOU will play again, though, and you are 100% in control of the mistakes you made. focus on yourself, block and mute angy lil babies who are throwing fits about your hero pick, and move on.

i dont think this is a plat doom, i think its a plat tank who happens to be playing doom.

Everyone on the twitch chat judging like they're all grandmaster...

Learning to swap is a part of growing as an OW player. DF was ineffective for most of this match, should have swapped after first choke lost.

He’s canceling seismic too much and missing out on free over health.

Seeing this as a plat doom main this hurts my eyes He focused way too much much on tank. He need to force more abilities out like diving in and punch out But there are some good plays. But he needs to understand when to go in and go further and when not to

I dont think this guy knows you can cancel block😅

This doom belongs in copper even if he is learning.. This orisa doesnt even know how to play against doom but luckily for her it didnt matter because hes constantly throwing his healthbar in the trashcan.this is why playing doom should be an instaban. Thats a joke btw, to the people who cant understand that

Tbf the Moira was right 😂

As I play doomfist and I am plat as well I will see if he is good

This dude is plat? I need to play ranked again then lol.

I think practicing as DF against Orisa is fine… not in comp? Like don’t make it hard for your team by trying to practice.

The Moira was not the weak link. The doom fist definitely held back the team. Its not even close. Kudos for turning it all into a learning opportunity but damn, dude needs a reality check.

SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS how did the Orisa die at 4:20??????? Lol wtf

One macro thing I noticed about this game, at least in terms of the first round, is after the enemy tank switched to Orisa, blue team was running more of a poke-style comp which is stronger against red teams more brawl-style comp. Given its plat, so there's leeway and times you can still fight their comp and come out on top, however, unless you the doom are playing nearly perfectly the whole time and getting your picks consistently, you were not going to win this game.

The amount of times he stopped blocking RIIIIIGHT before he got empowered punch and punched just to miss was anal cringeworthy.

Bro you gotta pick a new hero ngl you dont have doom instincts try a brawl tank fr you wanna duel the tank and play frontline so play a brawl bro. If you dont wanna play a "boring" hero like orisa, ram or rein(debatable i think hes fun) then play junker queen, super high skill ceiling and very good atm.

Bad tank average doom

yeah this guy just isn’t a good doom. He’s playing doomfist not just liek orisa, but also like a ball and trying to be in the backline via slam. Landing punch is so important because you get punished severely and 50% of the time you die because of it. A huge issue with his doom gameplay is he refuses to use cooldowns. He charges punch than does everything but punch once he gets it. If he does, he uses all 3 cool downs and has no escape. He relies way too heavily on power block to escape, which he can just be cc’d out of it. He has good game sense but 0 doom sense. He has no game knowledge on doom or how to play him. He’s also ulted several times when he’s at good health and not low health. Using doom at low health and 0 shields to gain that beeg shields is a huge bonus + letting your cool downs come back. E-punch is OP if you use it on squishies…but he just doesn’t. He easily can get a lot of easy picks if he focused e-punch on squishies and not the tank. His decisions to dive sometimes are good, but half the time he dives someone, uses all 3 cool downs, and then has to be bailed out by his team

Hes just trying to learn doom people need to just shut up and help him out instead of calling him bad

Genuinely if u have a kinda shit team mate don’t discurge them and call em ass pma can make a big difference also if you insist on shit talking do it after the game is over

How is this plat…

pog doom mental

Yes qp is where you should go to learn the basics of a hero. There is, however, a wider team balancing system in qp compared to competitive's tighter balancing. Learning a hero more in depth is perfectly fine in competitive due to this balancing difference. You might be queued with two supports on your team in qp that are also just learning tbeir character or just messing around, not playing seriously, which will sway how you learn and play. There is merit to learning a hero more in depth in competitive when you're playing with other people that not only know the basics of the hero their playing but are also playing to win.

They gotta lock Doom and Ball in comp until you hit Diamond. I cannot even tell you how many games I've had in Plat where Doom players and Ball players just get absolutely shit on for 10min. Like at that point swap for your own sanity you can't possibly be having fun.

As far as Dooms go, hes not THAT bad.. I've seen muuuch worse. A few things to work on and he could do okay.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP SHOOTING THE HORSE

I don't mind playing against a Doomfist. I mind playing with a Doomfist.

Crazy idea, but people can, and should just shut their mouth and let people play whatever they want. If you can't contribute anything meaningful or constructive, don't even bother typing, or opening your mouth. One possible loss won't affect your rank long term. People are free to do what they want, you've no idea what others lives look like, spreading hate just makes you a pathetic human being, saying nothing is the best course of action. If that is too difficult, and your life if falling apart in such a way that losing one meaningless match in an online game is about to derail your psyche, you have far worse problems to worry about than a "sub-par" team mate.

honestly think this is appropriate for rank and he will climb the more he watches his own vods! also, i wholeheartedly believe that the moira was just mad because she had to heal more, with the DF taking some map control, instead of dps the entire game but thats just me!!!

Wow I'm early 10mins

Pleeeeeease move your chat somewhere that's not blocking the abilities You keep saying over and over and over how someone's overcommitting, but i'd have to rewind every single time you say that just to calculate precisely how long it's been since a movement ability was used ('specially cuz doom has two), and even then i can't keep track because A. I never pay attention to my own cooldown spacing, and B. Blizzard changes cooldown rates like every other thursday

The plat is the type of guy i get on the team i go agianst witch they just get carried by there other team

Doom is not and will not ever be a viable tank.

Your doom play is fine but your team comp is terrible. Your playing doom with 2 low range healers who can't support you at all. You need to swap if they wont.

I’m early gang

Woohoo early

this doom sucks, even im a better doom and i dont play the guy

Guys cheeks on doom, id be flaming him too FOH

if this guy is plat then I don't think I should be in plat. My doom is soooo much better. to be fair I would definantly rank up and just have to actually play ranked to get to diamond.

This doom needs to learn how to counter rather than learning doom. One trick meta is dying man he should’ve gone like sigma balls or zarya especially with the zen orb constantly on him

In my opinion two things need to happen. 1. Tanks should focus more on damage mitigation than dps 2. Overwatch needs to stop making dps characters and putting them in the tank category.