This Fallout 4 Mod Obliterated my Sanity 

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Joov's spiral into insanity is very lorefriendly

Fallout FROST makes me wish for Nuclear Winter because then no one else would ever be hurt by it again

You know the mod is painful when Joov, the man who spent hours on hours on decorating a house for everything to fly away rage quits

Throughout the struggle of the frost challenge, you actually inspired me to download the frost mod and OH MY GOODNESS, WHY AM I DOING THIS TO NYSELF.

Claiming the entrance to the hospital was the most hype part of the stream

It's almost scary how easily "many a true nerd" waltzed through this mod.

> Decided to play Frost > Expected it to be fun Joov... why...?

The only issue I have with Frost is the decision to require headshots to kill feral ghouls. Feral ghouls aren't zombies, there's no reason for it

FROST is a rollercoaster of "This is way too hardcore why am I even playing this" and "I can't believe I made it, this is the best thing ever"

I, for one, played through all the “story” of Frost, permadeath style, and loved it. The atmosphere is so much like Metro if it was open-world, the environmental storytelling is amazing, and some of the references to vanilla Fallout 4 feel really rewarding to experience. Also, being insane (atleast in-game) is the only true way to play; bonus points if you use a flamer! Don’t need to aim if everything in front of you is on fire.

Generally, I'm a huge fan of FROST and its various balance reworks and tweaks--but a molotov doing less damage than smacking someone in the face with a bat is pretty hilarious.

It seems a lot of the frustration could have been avoided with the addition of Survival Options and changing the save settings. I've never understood the obsession with only saving when your character sleeps. As Gopher put it - it makes you end up role-playing a narcoleptic and not a very smart one at that (you end up "sleeping" in some pretty unsafe places that no one would reasonably sleep at if it weren't for the fact that ppl are deliberately trying to save their progress). Plus, relying on autosaves without any hard saves has a tendency to corrupt and then you lose basically everything. Oh Bethesda.

I think Frost's biggest flaw is that in sticks you in a world where everyone and everything wants you dead, and then it punishes you for defending yourself by making combat worse each time you kill someone. It's the kind of brutal that isn't fun and is just reflective of bad design. Now play the New Vegas version, DUST. It's worse. :) (Dont)

Saving restrictions sounds like a cool hardcore mechanic in theory, but it's always a VERY BAD IDEA. Especially in games based on gamebryo/creation engine. Especially x2 in modded playthrough. Especially x10 in large and heavy complete overhauls like this one.

I LOL'D at the "enabling these will make Frost easier and destroy the game balance!" can't destroy what ain't there

For the first two thirds of the video, I kept thinking to myself that it sounded way more fun if you could save wherever. Glad to know I wasn't alone. Sometimes games that are easier are better.

Joov, I’m glad you that you at least tried this, it broke me too, so I totally understand about how frustrating it was. So honestly, thank you for entertaining us with your declining mental fortitude when dealing with this utter madness.

"I am as cool collected and calm as the other side of the pillow" Also joov: Rip and tear until it is done

Honestly, good on you for just saying screw it and making the experience more enjoyable for yourself. There's this weird attitude in some gaming circles where adapting things to be more fun is somehow the worst thing you can do, but as far as I'm concerned, if you're playing a single player game, there's no one getting hurt by you cheating a little. It's nice to see someone share a less black and white view of it.

I think one of the better changes you added to the mod was regaining some sanity from ghoul kills. I understand it makes no sense lorewise (I mean, I'd assume """"""IRL""""" for as much as it would be you killing a mindless monster, it would still leave a scar if done enough times as your brain wouldn't ignore the fact that it was still a human), but for the game it's a pretty great change. The insanity meter is far too unforgiving, specially given you find way too many people interested in killing you, and it's way too small. (50 kills is nothing in Frost, you go through 3 areas and it's over. There's too many people scattered about in this "just after the bombs hit" apocalypse scenario.)

I remember watching the VODs for this and I felt so bad for Joov. Frost sure is one of the mods of all time.

Surprised he never mentioned the normal regular crashes adding on to the deaths that makes even normal survival mode annoying. Gotta be able to quick save in Bethesda games.

The most funny thing about all these hardcore mods is that you are the only person who needs rest, food and wound sanitation. NPCs are just the furniture to smash and the annoyance to overbear.

You'd think people would already know that the Fallout fandom isn't good at letting go based on the amount of people who still haul the gold out of Sierra Madre lolol

Frost is PEAK "difficulty isn't good design on its own" tbh. you hung in there real hard though

my whole, entire, issue with FROST is the complete lack of anything even remotely going in your favor even it makes no sense at all, to the point that when I FINALLY reached a settlement with people who could help me, they told me they cannot treat me without IN-SHUR-ANCE. Stage 1, Confusion: What? Insurance? We went through a nuclear war, I woke up in a rusting prison cell in an abandoned metro line, I killed dozens to get here, I reloaded dozens of times, all of my bones are broken, I had to open the console just to get here because SOMEBODY LOCKED THE DOOR TO THIS PLACE FOR SOME REASON AND THE GUARDS SAY NOTHING TO ME and you're asking me for INSURANCE?? Stage 2, Rage: WHAT DO YOU MEAN INSURANCE???? I HAVE MONEY, I HAVE RESOURCES, I HAVE SKILLS, TREAT MY INJURIES, STOP STANDING AROUND DOING NOTHING, STOP ASKING ME FOR IN-SHUR-ANCE. MY BONES ARE BROKEN, MY SKIN INFECTED, MY MIND INSANE, AND YOU WILL DO NOTHING BUT TELL ME I NEED IN-SHUR-ANCE?!?!??!!?!!? Stage 3, Reasoning: Okay. Maybe I just need to find the NPC that gives me insurance. FINE, it's not 10 years after a NUCLEAR WAR, I killed DOZENS, but FINE, I NEED INSURANCE LIKE THIS IS SOME 2000's COMEDY ON THE AMERICAN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND NOT A REALISTIC SURVIVAL MOD. Now where can this NPC be? Hmmm... Stage 4, Acceptance: There is none. I cannot find them, nobody to give me a quest for it, nothing but IN-SHUR-ANCE. The governor is locked away in his castle. The "communists" in this mod are the generic bad guys. The army are bad guys. The rats are bad guys. The homeless and people with mental issues are bad guys. The most friendly people I've met are ghouls cooking stews on a metro line. The developers cannot help but throw their politics in this mod so badly it completely ruins the entire experience. A complete unironic cacophony of current day societal issues unmistakably applied to a post apocalyptic game set in an alternate universe 80 years in the future, with the justification being you have to survive on your own. What a complete waste of time, hours to install, just for the developers to be so up their own ass they cannot even make a compelling world anyway, where everybody is out to get you and you're on your own in a needlessly unforgiving world. Even for unforgiving's sake, it's needless. It makes no sense. It's political beyond all else. Stage 5, Uninstall.

FROST and DUST before is are the worst in "dying is fun, right?" bullshit. Sometimes we just want to play a video game, and that's all.

Oh good. I thought this was another Frost Stream I honestly couldn't handle it after the second so nice to see the condensed version

Knowing the amount of blood, sweat and tears that went into making this video really drives home how much hard work you do to make this channel fun and entertaining.

I personally think the museum of witchcraft is the worst place in the commonwealth. I remember the struggle I went through the first time I fought that deathclaw in that small room. Also, it has the strongest horror vibes out of any location. Send me to the glowing sea instead any day.

I'd love to see the mod that Joov made that nerfs the sanity loss from killing survivors and gives sanity back when you kill ferals. That might make FROST almost playable lol

It's the bed/sleep only-way-save mechanic. It ruins your sanity. Does so even on vanilla survival. Fallout 4 just isn't built around restricting the save function like that.

A just-post-apocalyptic winter where multiple factions vie for control of an underground metro system? someone should make a whole game series out of that!

I mean... There's a difference between hard game, and "broken mechanics" game. I really hate those type of games, where you shoot someone with 50cal and doing like 50% damage, while they can one hit you with a stick or something... So yeah, it was unpleasant to watch, and for sure not cool to play at. I'm really glad you ended it up at 12h Still, great montage, love it so much

they should add a way to feint an attack in this game so the enemy blocks too early and u can actually hit them

Uh yeah boy! nuclear winter is real hell. Follow the Wanderer for many full playthroughs. I've been following him since ever and that man has a unique mental strength and really knows how to tune fallout 4 to work properly.

Frost and Dust are two mods that I'm not ashamed to say that I ragequit and then never played again. They're not designed to be fun. They're pain simulators. The mod dev like, actively hates you while you're playing. Everything in them is unfair, and unfun, and as painful as possible. They're so not fun they're like anti-fun.

I don't know how anyone can find this fun to do by themselves. Thank god he had chat.

The Frost mod turns Hardened Veterans into scared little girls and for very good reason. That being said i do recommend getting the crank ammo replacer for the laser musket. makes it lore friendly and and stable ranged weapon for the hole run.

Nothing is impossible for Joov this man turns his challenges into epic adventures and i love it

Joov! Watched your downward spiral and glad you survived! As a smooth brain I have no doubt I have learned nothing from your mod induced psychosis 😂

Playing Frost almost made me wish for an arrow to the knee but i wouldn’t feel it in the middle of this nuclear winter and hey I heard they’re reforming the Dawnguard! Did I do the quote right?

I have such a love-hate relationship with this mod. It's so finely crafted and that's the problem is they're so few ways to wiggle around that 90% of the time you'll just end up in a death spiral

Perfect timing. I just finished watching the Frost VODs. I saw in the comments one of the Frost developers said they're working on a big update. I plan on giving Frost a try when the update releases.

The being able to save only at beds or autosaves is not difficulty. It's forced tedium. 9 times out of 10 when you die, you're going to repeat what you did before and try to beat the thing that killed you. This is why I always use save anywhere mods for survival mode.

Joov this editing style is just incredible

"Oh, look. A stranger. Let's all attack him with giant boards!" "What, again? We did giant boards yesterday!" "We did? I don't remember." "He's right. We also did giant boards day before yesterday. And the day before that too." "Yeah! We only ever do giant boards! It's getting pretty boring, you know." "It actually is, yeah. I like to do pipe wrenches for once. Or maybe daggers. We do have some daggers, you know. We could try those." "Why, I.. You, stranger! Hold on a moment. We seem to have gotten ourselves an issue here all of a sudden. Giant boards not good enough for you, eh? You two getting all high and mighty on daggers now, I see. Well, suppose, suppose he has armor on - then what? Then Your little daggers are not so fancy anymore, are they? Then you'd just be wishing you had some nice, giant boards, wouldn't you? Well?" "When you put it that way, I suppose we could do giant boards." "Right! That settles that, giant boards it is! Let's attack the stranger with giant, with giant - where's the stranger?"

35:55 Perfectly explains why I prefer to fine-tune my difficulty across games like this. On my Fallout4, I have modern firearms (so you can get 1-shot like in this video, for a while until you get some perks and defenses up), bonus spawns, bonus encounters, stalking teams, and I can play it on Hard and Very Hard... but I absolutely avoid survival aspects like hunger and water. Even on Sims games I usually disable hunger through cheats or in-game rewards as fast as possible.

The wildest thing is that Frost is the BETTER designed version of this sort of mod. The Fallout New Vegas mod DUST was a similar mod by the same creator that was much more poorly designed. Frost actually tries to ease you into it in theory, with a small early game area (the metro), the main area (the larger game world), and an end game area (Far Harbor). Dust just dropped you into what is effectively the end game area,

Frost is like Fallout's version of Requiem except more deaths and radiation

Joov has the storytelling talent of Welyn I swear. Both could recap the history of stamps and keep us engaged the entire time

So glad I got to witness Joov losing his sanity as he played this mod on twitch... Can't wait to witness it one more time!

Real certified gangsta classic

The problem I have with these mods is that they have no sense of scale. You have to eat humanly impossible quantities of food to fill yourself up, and then you are somehow hungry again after 5 minutes of play. And sleep is ridiculous. 4hrs go by and it acts like it has been a week.

Yesssss!!! Just finished watching the FROST VODS the other day. Soo Happy to see that you have now released it. Such a tough experience but this is gonna make an awesome video! I'm 8 minutes into this video so far and I'm loving it! The editing is great. 💯💯💯

I only caught the beginning of this stream; having played it a few times before, your experience in the beginning was mine as well 100%. You played it smarter and actually payed attention to what was happening, I brute forced my way through it and ultimately gave up.

my god this is the Stalker:Anomaly low difficulty

My mum: "Sooooo what'll you have for breakfast toda-" Me: *RAAAAAAAR!* My mum: "Ah Cornflakes, of course sweetie."

man I would have expected this to fix my one big issue with Fallout 4 gameplay, that being bullet sponge enemies. feels like a gritty survival thing should go the route of everyone being human and vulnerable not just the player.

Reminds me of the Frostfall mod for Skyrim. It basically makes going anywhere north on the map a near impossible nightmare.

Bro I’m trying to sleep watching this and all I hear is “what do you want from me!” “RAAAAAR” I JUST STARTED DYING

This was the first set of VODs I actually watched, and this set of streams had me absolutely hooked. I've REALLY been looking forward to this video. Always a pleasure to watch your content, Joov

Man I love when Bethesda props like cars or skeletons just cause random collision damage that instantly kills players.

Im so glad youre planning on finishing the solstheim one. It made me subscribe and ive loved this one too. Love your editing and video style.

Actual LOL on save scumming for the box of noodles.

26:35 felt like a scene out of an action movie

The last chunk of the video (day 4/5) is the main reason I always play games on the normal mode first because games are supposed to be fun and not tedious

I played through Dust and loved the changes made to New Vegas, I'll definitely be giving this a go in the future haha. Take it easy, you've earned it!

Reads title, sees the first 2 seconds... Ah, Frost had claimed another soul

The: *gasp* "Mac and cheese!" *Explosion* Was just perfect timing 😂😂

I beat this mod as an insane melee cannibal, ended up building a town at bunker hill with those traps that spawn random bandits for food. it's brutally hard but really great too.

I have a similar response for "A World Of Pain" for Fallout 3 and Vegas. Just...brutal.

I know it was a hard journey, but man it was entertaining as hell watching you slog through this monster of a mod. I even downloaded it myself to see how far I could make it.... I may have broken a controller.

“MAC AND CHEESE!!” *gets obliterated*

Watched the vod for this one , knew it would be cbt for you joov and it was. But much like the mods saying "begin again"

i woul recommend ,in the same kind of torture , STALKER anomayly with the GAMMA mod it a experience to say the least

Nothing to make my day better like a Joov upload

Ohhhh I've been excited for this video! One of my favorite Fallout 4 builds I've made has used the Intimidation perk, so I'm glad to see you got some use out of it near the end. I play on Console, so I don't think I'll get the chance to try out Frost, but I figured it would be useful to invest in the playstyle of pacifying survivors! Excited for what comes next, as always Joov.

Something I can't stand about Frost is how NPCs can deflect almost all damage done to them by just putting their fists infront of their face. Like, how the hell you gunna block my sword with your god damn wrists. How you gunna stop my rocket-propelled sledge hammer with your raggity-ass cloth gloves.

A great testament as to why difficulty balancing is left to professionals. Like I respect the hustle of making a mod, but why put so much work into something only a small handful of insane people will enjoy?

"fallout 4 frost is about 2 things sanity and letting go" more like one thing letting go of sanity

You should play the Horizon mod for Fallout 4. It’s a much more balanced and rewarding mod imo. It also embraces and expounds upon some of the games great features rather than removing them.

God, that Hearthstone music track around 7:00 really brought back some memories of the good old Naxx meta. I miss it dearly. Oh, and the Frost mod gameplay was pretty cool too. Glad to see it in the spotlight.

Imo the "unbogus melee" mod realty helps this mod, it very slightly increases things in melee combat like swing speed and move sets

This mod is brutal and rest assured you are not the only one who has bailed on Frost. Far from it.

It’s amazing that as soon as you removed the tediousness you seemed like you were having so much fun

I've been playing frost for a while now. It's horrendous, but god the tension was palpable. I love it... In moderate doses

Love the DRG music you add in, it's good battle/stress music and fits with the agony of some of these challenges. Just remember: If you rock and stone, you're never alone.

This is funny as hell but be sure you're taking care of your mental health too joov. Mix in some goofy stuff like skyrim cheese mods or stuff like that to alleviate the soul crushing-ness

46:30 (the way the turret moves is hilarious to me somehow) also love that - Don't do anything stupid! *explosion and insta death*

19:15 The turret turning around after you smacking it was just gold

I was going through these vods! I just watched your hundredth death haha what a brutal experience! Glad you were able to power through the misery it brought you but don't do that again!! If you don't enjoy something we'll understand, we like when you have fun too

This feels like the fallout equivalent to stalker gamma

Watched the whole adventure, it was awesome and most tragic at the same time. Almost got me to try it on my own, but then again I can't effort losing one grind of sanity irl😅 Thank you joov for making my days, delivering entertaining stories in your friendly, humorous way. 🙏🏻🥳

Love that you sometimes use tracks from crash mind over mutant as background music. The nostalgia is crazy, W ears joov!

FROST is actually quite forgiving compared to its predecessor, I love both, but FROST really is great fun if you build right.

If you think FROST is hard, DUST would be a massive pain in the ass, you should totally try it!

Frost seriously reminds me of Metro, its hella awesome to see 2 things I love come together

It's horrifying. It's insanely hard. It punishes you for reasonable decisions and makes you question why you installed it. I love it because i'll never defeat it without cheating. It's everything Fallout 4 wasn't