Someone is at fault for all the difficulties, time and material loss here! Other than that, you did a fine job keeping the camera rolling thru this and I'm glad you were not afraid to post what can happen in the real world to inform others. Keep it real man!
Would love to see more technical details of the pump’s operation. Prime out, wash out, dos and don’ts for example. Either way, like the videos. Thank you!
I think this should be put in the category of PissPourPlanning. I've done some huge pours in my time as a Senior Inspector of Works, on was Taiwan's High Speed Rail project. Mass pour viaduct footings with 6 pumps plus a spare, pumps set up to take two trucks so as one discharges the other is backing in so the our went non-stop. This was across a flood plain, other section were up in the hills. Temp stone roads or timber mats were put in for access, so trucks didn't get bogged down. Gets me why the trucks didn't reverse in on the roads sub base, and have the rebar mat laid as the bays progressed.
Wow, At the size and cost of this job site there’s so many people at fault here, the GC is the first one, how much would it cost to have a ballast road dropped for access give the crap soil conditions and once the first truck got stuck and then the second, no one thought to call the mix plant and and hold the trucks, one expensive lesson right there. I remember refusing to pump hot loads, your attitude and the way you handled it is resilient to say least. Props!
William C well , I wanted to keep a positive attitude about the situation. They had enough problems as it was. Fortunately some of the issue I was concerned about took care of them selves with out me having to voice an opinion. The GC and project owner are great to work with. They both never bocked at the decision that had to be maid. For most part we all where surprised by the getting stuck issues. The ground seemed really dry on top but a few inches below the surface it was moist. Like in the video trucks would be driving along and all of a sudden the bottom would fall out.
I've been driving concrete for 20 years and pumps for 10 years. Sorry if I say that certain fucking German guidelines are sometimes helpful. We learned from the beginning that the pump should be positioned in such a way that concrete can be made effectively, quickly and safely. If possible, with 2 cars. Then just get out first and look, are there any manhole covers or is the floor not solid? The following way is polished. I see problems there, it only works if you prepare it well. Excavator mats or something.
Somebody should let that batch man know about "Delvo", especially on those hot days and longer travel times. Delvo will slow down the hydration process. I wonder why nobody thought about dumping a bag of sugar in those loads. A 5lb. bag of sugar would kill a 9 yd. load. Even molasses would work.
Chris is right about the turning drum using up horse power especially when the mix is getting dry, we turn drum off on soft ground we dont have any spare horsepower anyway with our Japanese trucks lol.
I was watching this video at 11 pm,and telling myself man they must be in Alaska,since its still day light at 11 pm.Then I realized I had a brain fart,and realized it wasn't live.🤭🤭🤭
If I was one of the concrete truck drivers and saw this pulling in I will say F...YOU I’m not pulling in unless the truck is an 8x8 with CTIS even then it will be questionable.
Lol, Mixer Mayhem. Quick we need 8 skid-steers each with one yard feeder buckets and operators, lol. Supprised that someone from the plant didn't show up with forms to make blocks, lol fun times.
Front discharge trucks might have worked there. They are all wheel drive, and the load is spread out better. We've had them in some greasy jobsites. Had them stuck, too, but usually, another truck or a Case 580 would pull them out. It was always on the GC's shoulder and wallet if chit hit the fan.
People don't realize how heavy these trucks really are. We haul 80,000 plus pounds on two axels (8 tires) where a regular 18-wheeler hauls the same weight distributed over 4 axels, two axels on the tractor and two more on the trailer (16 tires total). I drive one in the Corpus area and there is a saying. "Son, there are two kinds on mixer truck drivers. The idiots who have got their trucks stuck... and the idiots who are gonna get stuck!" With the driving we do, off road, in soft ground, you are going to bury one. Probably more than once. I've sunk a few. 🙄
That's a big stressful mess. But it happens. A couple truckloads of rock and a makeshift road is about all you can do here or wait til winter when the ground hardens up a bit.
wow, what a mess! was that an old farmer's planting field? I made the mistake of having the mixer driver try to drive across one, fortunately he only went into the front axle, it was 6-wheel drive, but he couldn't back out, so we had a D-8 come and pull him out
(Fellow mixer driver here) Common sense goes a long ways. What made them think a second 10yd truck is going to make it through an unprepared road lol. Maybe if they did 3yd loads...maybe. Site access should be step 1 from the get go.
What a pack of amateures, you would have thought that the contractor would have put in proper access for the concrete trucks to drive on without getting bogged.
@@MrCarr77 unless you’ve hauled concrete before that’s a ridiculous comment, it’s all on the contractor to have adequate site preparation before having trucks drive over.
Them dual tires get filled up with mud and in that tread you ain't going nowhere people pick the best days the pour don't they I drove a mixer for 30 years in Southern California jls was the main concrete pumping company out there get some big rock make a nice little driveway up to the pump no problems...
Screw ups this big have to be carefully planned, by no planning at all. There should have been men on the street showing the concrete trucks exactly where to safely drive, if that even exists. The trucks should have had their delivery more spread out, but you can't tell how quickly they arrived because most of them were on the job when the video started. With no dry area in sight there should have been a large bulldozer to pull each truck up to the back of the pump truck. This wasn't just one huge screw up, it was many. A fully loaded concrete truck weighs 66,000 pounds. Gravel sprinkled on wet mud is not going to help much. If those huge piles of mud tracked out into the road are not cleaned up that will cost more money. Rookies.
When trucks come to your pump, why do you just stand there? I drive concrete truck my self, and the pumper or a nother worker guides us in. I see also at other jobs you do, the trucks have to determine themself if they are close enough. Sometimes we just have one shot to reach your pump. This is not ment negative, i am just curious. Your Videos are great btw :)
Holy smokes, who eats that cost? Out here you would be fired for getting a mixer stuck, its happened to a few people I know. Keep up the content, im in lockdown here in norcal, need video's to keep me busy.
cliff beckwith Im guessing the GC does. I’m not sure. We are staying at home for most part. Can’t pump any ways. It’s been raining since last Friday. We need to dry out.
haha this is gold. they should have dumped there loads after 2 and a half hrs because its already 30min old when it hits site down here in aus it costs about $220 per cubic meter (1.3yrds) but if they have to dump it there is also a charge of $350 per cubic meter tipping fee and ontop of all that there is a $3.70 per min charger per truck after they have been onsite for longer than 30min. then my pump charge and the concreters are all on hourly that's a quick way to bankrupt someone down here in aus lol
rob rayner be careful throwing the meter word around. Some people with think your trying to flex your brain to much. Lol. Thanks for watching and your right the day was pretty expensive I bet. The project owner and the GC had and kept great attitudes about the situation. I hope to be able to work for them some more.
We have a lot of soil that looks like that here in Dublin we get a lot of that black soil down near Rivers and the canal's a few load of Gravel whould have made life easy people working in an office making the plans saying don't need Gravel because they think there saving money.
Great video. Wouldn't it be easier to cleanup the dumped concrete with a loader if it were in small size piles along the road? Good there was some water.
It must be in the air right now, we just had 5 of our 12 yard trucks get stuck on site 2 days ago. They came back to the yard after over 5 hours. And had to dump everything. Even the pump had to stop at our yard to wash out the hopper before he lost the pump. That’s what happens with 2 percent calcium and hot water😂
Muddyfeet Concrete Pumping we have some pretty smart operators, they were able to save all the trucks. Once rinsed out, we just throw 5 or 6 yards of rough 3/4 rock in the drum and let them spin for a bit. Clean as a whistle.
By the time I came along the guys I worked for (Consteel Concrete) had figured out to keep an extra gallon or two of antifreeze or a 10lb bag of sugar to toss in the mud as a last ditch effort to save the drum and a lot of work. Sugar is better than antifreeze at screwing up the set somehow - chemical magic.
@scott rowe Muriatic acid would work too but the hazmat suit would hinder your movement 😂. I've also seen exposed aggregate done (small area) w/ warm water... It was on a sidewalk and the exposed aggregate was in the shape of Alaska ... The contractor said it was all in the timing ... So I can see where spraying that sweet, sweet dew on top would give a larger area extra time to work ... good idea ... way way cool I've got his business card that has a picture of the exposed aggregate in the shape of Alaska somewhere. Now finding it 😂 may as well watch Treasure of Sera Madera; ! ! Pictures, "We Don't Need no Stinking," Pictures ! !
How long can concrete be in the truck before it no good? I thought I saw video of a high rise pump that would refuse a truck after sitting on site after 30 min. To an hour and a 30 minute drive to job in city?
Their are other factors but as a rule of thumb 1.5 to 2 hours. It basically gets weaker the longer it sits on the truck. Temperatures of the material plays a big part in that and the batch design.
Admixtures and temperatures play a big part in time limits. Hydration stabilizer or delvo can put the concrete to sleep and you can pour past the 4 hour mark. I’ve seen some crazy shit. ACI 305 puts the limit at 90 minutes but contractors can wave it. If temps are hot, like 80F or hotter, there really is no reason to push the limits. It can take off and adding water will just cause more issues down the road.
Y’all don’t act surprised. Y’all already no. Those heavy ass trucks is going to sink. I work for a plant. They say all yeah he can get in I drove my pickup in there. Lol
I’ve never seen a cement truck on that type of chassis. Around my area cement trucks are purpose built with huge tires and all axles drive. Most are made by Oshkosh.
we used to pour out of 10 wheelers before the all-wheel drive, just have to be careful getting trucks in. some of the older trucks had a separate 6-cylinder gas engine mounted behind the cab to run the drum. it was always exciting when that broke down. we never used pumps much either, not unless we couldn't get close, or we were going over a house for an addition. I remember triple shooting footings and slabs. it was bull work, especially if it was summer
Here in Indiana everyone pretty well uses Terex Commander series trucks and I’ve yet to see one get stuck. I’ve only been a Carpenter 4 years though so then again that’s not saying a lot.
Looks like extruded curb mud. Thats a piss poor road to be backing loaded trucks on. Contractors fault. Those baby mixers having issues my 11 cubic yard kenworth would defiantly have problems. In Washington it rains like 8 months out of the year and we get some soft shit. Luckily i got stuck 1 time in 8 years ive been driving. I would like to keep it that way
If I was spending money like someone was here .man I'd spend alot on gravel the days before I'd rock rock rock .start with 6 -and end up with 1inch you probly wouldn't spend as much on lost concrete.
Bad days happen. It’s how you overcome them that separate the men from boys.An old man once told me Don’t get mad When the job starts getting tough and biting into your wallet hurry and get it done right so you can be onto another job making money.
I work in concrete too for 25 years and I know how hard it is for the pump guys working in no worries you learn in Spanish if you keep working with Spanish toes means four toes we say cuatro dedos in part is right there
Wow, what a terribly managed job. The GC should have provided egress to the pour. There isn't a single ready mix company around here willing to drive on grass, regardless on mud. The curbs were all done by hand and that road won't drain correctly based on what my eyes saw. Also, they had 18+ concrete workers that I counted. That MUST have been a mafia job, oh, a union job.
Muddyfeet Concrete Pumping my area switched over a few years back, I don’t know if anything would’ve helped in that nightmare! Very nice pump rig, you have a good pump operator on that truck, very smooth.
Gliderider yeah I think what’s interesting is those trucks weigh about 6 or 7 thousand pounds more than we do. We didn’t have any issues getting around. Both my trucks weigh around 60,000 lbs. give or take depending on which one we are talking about.
Muddyfeet Concrete Pumping well YOU were looking at the high ground or solid ground as soon as you started videoing, sometimes I think hired hands/ drivers don’t give 2 sh!ts if they tear stuff up.
