Lastly 😊, can't further appliances be added to this system, let's say a refrigerator, stove , water heaters etc. Let's say with the octovalve. To further efficiently ??? 🤔
Items you missed were: 1)Not having to use extra AC during the summer to cool your house from the heat coming from the dryer. 2) Can more easily be used off grid or with a generator during grid down situations. 3) No cleaning of vents or fire hazards associated with lint buildup in vents. 4) Front load washers generally start to stink if you’re not cleaning the waterproof seal from mold and mildew. This has not been an issue on my unit. 5) Heat pump dryers are more gentle on your clothes so they last much longer. You can tell by the amount of lint you have to clean from your filter.
True, besides saving money on heating by electrical heat element you also save on heating. That is because old style dryer has to blow air outside which creates under pressure inside the house which is compensated by air from outside which needs to be heated up! Super inefficient in cold climates.
The stinky seal issue is something they had to work to address, the blue rubber that the seal is made from has an antimicrobial component to it and the fact that this unit is also a dryer means that it has less moisture sitting around inside it to deal with.
He also missed the some houses have the dryer in the Garage. With proper weatherstripping around house entry/exit door there should be minimal heat transfer. Additionally it is Cheaper to cool a home then to heat it.
I have one of these. The best thing about it is the fact that you don't have to change the laundry from the washer to the dryer. What I tend to do is load it before I go to bed with a time delay so that it starts about 3 hours before I'm supposed to wake up. Then I can just go down to the laundry room in the morning and get fresh clothes that are still warm.
Ugh, warm clothes when you get out of the shower in a properly conditioned home. YUCK! Great to have warm fluffy, just dried clothes I guess if you live 200 years in the past in a drafty cold home in the winter.
I've had this same GE combo for about 6 months as well. While heat pump dryers have existed for a while now, this seems to be the first to do it comparably to a normal dryer. It's also rebranded from Haier, so more than likely their new products are using the same tech. A few more things after using it for a while: 1.) I'd say it takes on average about 20% more to dry things. The clothes themselves come out dry, but they're emerging from a high humidity environment, so they "feel" damp when you remove them from the drum. Give them a shake and they magically "feel" dry. You get used it... I've found a few times where my stuff was actually damp, so I always use the more dry option as a just in case which does add maybe 20 more minutes to drying time. If you want your clothes to come out completely cool, there is a wrinkle free option you can add to loads which will tumble your clothes a few RPM for hours while everything completely cools. 2.) Stay on top of cleaning the lint. The lint collector has two sides, one is the trap you're used to, the other is a dense mesh screen that detaches and needs to rinsed under a faucet. The machine will remind you to clean them, I do it way more frequent and clean the collector after every load and the mesh screen about every 10-15 loads. Also, invest in a long stick attachment for you vacuum to clean out the trap area. I try to do this every time I clean the mesh screen. 3.) There's a screw trap behind a door panel on the bottom of the unit. Drain the small amount of water in it and clean this about ever 30 loads. It's really easy, hair likes to get trapped there. 4.) I have a king sized bed and have no issues with my comforters. They do take a long time to dry, but they also took a similarly long time to dry when I was using a gas dryer. And these not being gas and vent-less, leads to my next point. 5.) When I had a gas dryer that vented to the outside, I'd turn it off when I left my house in case it caught on fire. With this combo unit, I can leave it completely unattended and I don't think twice about it. 6.) This unit uses way less detergent than when I was adding it by hand. I've filled the reservoir maybe twice since having it. I also don't use softener (it's quite gross, look it up), instead I add laundry sanitizer to the softener reservoir. You also don't need to use dryer sheets, nothing comes out with static. 7.) The app is great and really intuitive, but when it says there's 5 minutes left, there's never 5 minutes left, just wait until it tells you it's done. Maybe that's because I always use the more dry option, but that's slightly annoying. 8.) This unit weighs 300 lbs and is taller than a normal washer/dryer, so you'll need a buddy to move it. Also, don't forget to remove the drum bolts it comes with while shipping before using.
We've had ours since around June. One of the best purchases we've made. I've found using laundry bags for small items like socks, bras and lingerie and it keeps them from getting stuck to the seal.
I’m the owner of one of these. I can talk you that it’s good, but it’s not for everyone. You have to clean the filter almost every load. Lint doesn’t stay on the filter all the time, it accumulates inside the filter housing and you need a vacuum extraction like 3 feet long to reach. It doesn’t dry well every time. I like how it washes, no complaints.
@@irri4662 Yes, the trouble is the trend seems that everyone is focusing on efficiency these days, and not realize they could be trading off durability and longevity. Throwing away your appliance / cars after just a few years, and getting another newer shinier model seems to be the trend these days.
Heat pump dryers are not new. You can buy them in Europe since 10years or so. Like induction stoves. Completely standard in Europe. Funny how sometimes thinks are so differently
@@steffen12 heat pumps are inherently more complex mechanisms than resistive or gas heating. It has compressor and pressurized refrigerant. More moving parts and potential for failure.
@@i6power30 true but that does not automatically answers the question of reliability and longevity, as intended with your question. If you really want to answer these questions you must compare data unbiasedly. In my opinion it's also more about cost savings over lifetime for the owner and co2 savings for the environment. If it's just about reliability and longevity we would still drive Model T from Ford.
I’ve also had mine for 6 months. It’s a game changer. Not having to remember to switch makes a huge difference. One thing to watch is lint buildup on the condenser coil because it can slightly bypass the lint filter, you can see it. Using a soft flexible brush to clean it is highly recommended. And I have a King Sized bed and 4 dogs…I’ve had no problems washing/drying the bedding.
@@jedro86 I bought an inexpensive long handle dryer cleaning brush off Amazon. 1 minute with a flashlight is all it takes. Not much different than having to do dryer duct cleaning…only no fire risk with this dryer. My insurance company should give me a break!
We bought our first AEG heat pump dryer 17 years ago for about 700 EUR (750 USD) here in the Netherlands. It is still running. Just clean the dust filters each time you use the dryer. It takes just a few seconds.
After 40 years of family laundry I have one simple cost saving solution. In this time, I have seldom used a dryer ( less than an hour per year). My first investment was a clothes line for 90% of my drying needs the balance is internal drying (winter humidifier).
Absolutely! Glad I'm not the only one who thought the best solution to a power cut and having wet clothes in a washer, was you know, just hanging them up. :D Plus why would we tumble dry everything anyway, half the time it's not the best result for the item anyway and a nightmare for ironing if you bother with that step.
I've lived off grid for the past 35 years... sunshine and wind are free and do an excellent job of drying clothes. I don't own a dryer. I live in the tropics and our house functions on a daily use of between 3.5 to 5 kWh per day.
I came here to say this. It's crazy to me to spend more than $3K for a machine that takes two hours to dry a towel and in the words of the kid in the video is "massive". Not everyone has the setup for a clothesline, but almost every suburban and rural single-family home has that option. It takes a little bit longer than just throwing clothes in a dryer, but the difference is only a few minutes, Clotheslines were the norm until the middle of the 20th century and they can still be a great option for a lot of people but they might get overlooked by people who think they need a dryer.
I would like the option to do both. A wash cycle with no drying so I can hang clothes when the weather outside is right. If not I want the machine to do it all. I’ll be checking the manual on this type of machine when next air need to replace what I have.
Couple of things missed, were the liquid detergent/softener dispensers only need filled after about 20 loads, as it automatically dispenses. The unit can be used as either or. We wash and line dry and then throw clothes in the dryer after they are 90% dry, so the dryer only heats for at the most 10 minutes and airdries and fluffs the clothes to remove any wrinkles and lint. This unit opens up so many possibilities, for instance using it in other places like a walk in closet, garage, guest quarters, or even in a kitchen area. I've seen larger homes that have these in each walk in closet of every bedroom suite. Amazing.
100% you keep talking about the hot weather 0 watt lol outside. , most of the year can be put outside. Even when I had a flat apart from towels and bedding done next to a window.
I do that too, but trudging through the 2 feet of snow is a pain to take out the laundry to the clothesline and getting it hung before it freezes makes it even harder.
It's exactly what I thought, I live in north France which is colder than California, I dry my laundry outside from March to October and in the winter I hangout in house it's been 10 years since I last used my dryer. And my washing machine is connected to my hot water with a regulation so I can use warm water from my solar panel most of the year
I had a similar problem when I bought my Southern California duplex nearly 40 years ago, but the apartment did come with a gas line for the laundry pair. Two decades ago, when the gas dryer tried to burn my place down, this sort of combo washer dryer was only available in European sized units and only overseas. I still had a serviceable washer and so I decided to convert my gas dryer to an electric one, but with no 240VAC outlet I faced your problem. However I did realize that a dehumidifier could solve part of my problem. Since the dryer was already atop a table I had bought to raise the dryer I had, the top half of a stacked combo at a discount, There was room for a dehumidifier below it. I removed all the gas flame equipment, and vented into a plenum box I built to adapt to the input of the dehumidifier. I used a similar arrangement to duct its output back up to the dryer's air input along the base at the front. While I could have wired to the timer on the old gas dryer panel, it could not do 2 hours worth, so I used an external timer and plugged both units into it. Slow it is, but it works very well and consumes only 550W total. Obviously GE built yours for the U.S. market despite its smaller size. With my setup and its larger drum, I can often combine two washer loads into it and save some time. Drying is quite warm and gentle, compared to the very hot, but fast gas dryer it used to be. No dryer sheets needed, though my partner insists on using them when she does the wash:) I haven't had to use my ironing board for a long time.
@@TheLobo91 The air is even drier in the cold months. The clothes dry even faster. They do not freeze because the temp always says above freezing in the garage.
Ricky, if you had a 5.8 capacity washer, that determines load size. Now you have a 4.8 capacity unit - 17% reduction. Not a deal breaker and in fact think about all of those times you run a short or undersized load. I’m impressed with this unit. Looking forward to your upgrades to the water and space heating equipment.
Living in an apartment with a back patio, no laundry hookups. I tapped into the bathtub drain through an access, converted my gas dryer to run propane and just use cold water with the water spigot outside. Setup works great.
For HVAC, today’s heat pumps last 10-15 y whereas a gas furnace goes longer at 15-20. I’ve made that move and did so knowing it might not have a payback, but hoped to lesson my carbon footprint. Sounds like same for this system. From an environmental standpoint it’s a good move, for apartment dwellers a great option, and certainly worth trading in your electric appliance; all of which you mentioned. Thanks Ricky, great stuff.
I have had mine since September too. Went looking for a new drier and saw some heat pump ones but too small. Found this. Not going back to separate units. No more forgotten wet clothes! Let me add, you should try setting up a load to finish just after you wake up. Particularly active wear. Running ecomode with a ten pound load my room temp goes up about 2 degrees above the peak for the baseboards in my utility room. In the future with that mode in the colder half of the year I can open the door to add heat to the hall. No more venturi effect in the basement. One downside; it is heavy!! I don't use the stand because of cabinets. This is also slightly bigger than most in depth and width along with being taller. So get the measurement to see how it fills your space. I use the dispensers. I now think I have over used softeners my whole life. It completely cleaned and dried a regular set of sheets, pillow cases along with a thick blanket at the same time and all came out dry using bedding mode. But my King size blanket alone has to be turned inside out about a half hour before cycle ends, all by itself. Most cycles need you to do the snap before judging whether something is dry or not. There was one guy who like you has 2 kids and very active. Theirs runs 24/7. But he thought he would buy another before he would have separates. Just the added load times had him. Easter or Presidents day sales probably next best bets on sales. Black Friday was killer good. Do check out local GE dealers as they may have something competitive with the big boxers and maybe better service? If you do not like the deal wait for Mothers day or Memorial day. They change it up.
Great video! I’m in Ohio and we have an elec dryer. But since it is elec we have a plastic unit that allows us to put the air back into the house or out the vent. In winter we allow the 1st part of the dry cycle to go out just cause of how much moisture is in the air - but then switch to venting in the house (in our mud room) so in cold winters it adds nice semi moist air into a dry house. Other thing is we put in a solar system last year - and we do time of use so when the sun is shining - that’s when laundry is done - so at least we are self consuming the power since it does use a lot. I would love to go heat pump dryer some day but our dryer is only 3 yrs old so plan on just sticking with time of use with solar power.
I have this unit too and it’s a beast. I live in the Caribbean and did not have a vent to the outside (everything is concrete here). The other benefit is that if the power goes out I can use a smaller generator.
Great overview! And funny timing, GE was showing this unit off at CES last week and I was impressed talking with one of the engineers. It got me eager to see if this might be good for our family.
I've had one for about 6 months and love it. I'd say it takes about 20% longer on average to dry vs a regular dryer, but the convenience of not having to do a switchover more than makes up for that.
I got one these about a month ago. So far I love it. I can start a load before going to bed and wake up with a dry load of laundry. I do have some items where I need a little more dry time and for those loads I just add extra dry time (about 15 minutes).
Great video, thanks for the insight. Was previously unaware of this style of product. One thing to point out though, the 6.75 kwh consumption figure to run a normal 240v dryer is inaccurate in my experience. While the unit may pull 4.5 kw and take 1.5 hours, this does not mean it uses 4.5 kw continuously. The heat element modulates power usage during the cycle, similar to an electric cooktop to maintain a constant temp in the dryer. My emporia energy monitor tells me my standard 240v dryer uses an average of 3.75 kwh for a normal load. This is a substantial delta and inflates the annual cost to operate when compared to my dryers consumption. This is a bottom of the barrel, cheapest home depot Amana dryer from 2016 with no bells or whistles. Rating is an annual kwh usage of 640 kwh, so it is definitely in line with the market average. Just thought I'd point that out. Keep up the great work, I'm loving channel!
Exactly! I have a 7 year old LG dryer and I see typical consumption of 2kWh for each hour of runtime... and most of my dryer loads (and I fill the darn thing up 🙂) typically run around 40-60 minutes. I believe the electric dryer energy consumption per load was grossly overestimated, probably by a factor of 3x or maybe even 4x (based on my experience). Loved the video overall and I do want the heat-pump based dryer myself. I will definitely get one once my current unit dies... probably the LG's WashTower with heat-pump dryer component.
One thing that is difficult to consider in your cost comparison is the conditioned air loss caused by traditional dryers in most homes where washers and dryers are installed in conditioned space. The gas dryer may be the cheapest to operate, depending on your region's prices, but if installed in a conditioned space it consumes cool air in summer and warm air in winter, just like other gas appliances like water heaters and furnaces. To make a reasonable estimate we would need to know how much air a dryer consumes per cycle and then calculate that as an extra envelope leakage loss. In fact, most gas furnaces today do *not* consume indoor air even when installed indoors as they typically have a dedicated pipe for make-up air and a sealed combustion chamber. Most gas water heaters remain quite primitive and the one to the left of the washer/dryer in this video is of the old type, though it does reside in the garage where it doesn't consume indoor air. I hate gas storage water heaters as they *continuously* lose heat up the flue, even when the burner is off. Very few people use them where I live, but our electricity prices are *much* lower than in some regions and this has allowed electric dryers and water heaters to become rather ubiquitous. I would say that there has been a major shift here over the past 40-50 years from gas to electric appliances and most recent housing developments don't even have gas lines installed, much to the the chagrin of the gas companies ;).
Used a little haier for years since 2006 as a primary and secondary washer that was washer/dryer in one unit. This unit did not have a heat pump, but it worked great and was awesome that it would wash and then dry. Tha capacity was small, but we just ran it more often. Excited for this new tech, will help offset the extra energy of an EV.
Moved to Sicily a couple of years ago, and had no space for a dryer, so we got one of these combo units. Has a bit of a learning curve, but way cheaper to run. Yours is somewhat nicer (a bit bigger, and more controls) but I was amazed at how much less expensive these are here, compared to back in the US. Even with the much higher VAT (value added tax, like sales tax but hidden in the price) ours was about one third the price. Same thing with induction cooktops. Insanely expensive in the US, comparatively cheap here.
The US is incredibly behind on technology, even stuff like contactless payment from err.. Visa and Mastercard. But being on 120 volt condemns your country (Japan is as well) to the doldrums of expensive tech for no reason. It makes electronics of all kinds more expensive because manufacturers have to ship different goods. The only real reason to use 120v is stuff like toothbrushes and shavers in bathrooms (which we use in the UK to prevent people plugging in fan heaters and electrocuting themselves in the bath through sheer stupidity). So yeah, washing machines are made for far more people on 230v than not.
I’ve had a whirlpool heat pump dryer for over 7 years and I really like it. It always bothered me to waste all that hot air. The only downside is you need 1/2 wash load for full dryer load. The dryer takes longer to dry but is gentler on your clothes. Great communication enjoy your vids. Cheers
Hey two bit, fantastic analysis! I love your pragmatic engineering analysis breakdown of all your topics including these energy/utility savings ones like this is great. Keep it up. Thanks
I got mine at Black Friday from Lowe’s for about $1800ish. It was just over $2000 with tax. And taking away the old dryer. I really like it. I’m single so I only do one or two loads a week, but I have had an issue with my previous front loading washer where if the door was not left open it would get moldy. If clothes were forgotten in there they would have to be washed again The Profile Combo will remind me to clean out the lint trap which is very large and can probably go 4-5 cycles before the lint and dog hair clogs it. I also like that it holds a large amount of liquid soap and dispenses it automatically. It asks for fabric softener which I never use but it works fine without it. After I use up all my liquid soap I have laundry strips which will probably work fine. It says in the instructions not to use it below 60 degrees which is normally not an issue, but it’s next to the dog door and in the recent cold weather it got below that, so it’s never a problem for me to delay doing laundry for a day or two I’ve washed my queen sized comforter and it washed it ok, but I had to run it through the dry cycle twice because there were still damp spots on the inner parts that weren’t near the drum or air.
Great analysis of the pros and cons. We've had ours for less than 2 months now, but really like them. I was glad to see a recent/updated video on it. Thank you!
We have a LG washer/dryer single unit similar to yours. We got it in 2016 and it is wonderful! We also use cold water washes. It is Great and uses very little electricity. We also got a AOSmith heat pump hot water heater, so the hot water is also pretty efficient, we got it 2 years ago and it was replaced under warranty due to a coolant leak that caused it to use lots of electricity. We noticed it due to our watching our energy usage using Emporia to monitor power use! The emporia paid for itself by finding both the Hot Water Heater problem and a few other inificencies. I know your SPAN can help do that too. Love your content. The load size is pretty small but for the 2 of us, it works just great. We do 2 loads a week. Nodry (delicate) takes about 25 minutes and we hang that in the bathroom, and the Dry cycle (think jeans, T-shirts) of heavy things it takes about 1.5hrs.
Great device, the ventless heatpump washer/dryer. Our State is starting to mandate using these devices to meet our energy code. I hate it being legislated as it is so new. So it was great to hear your experience and Matt's. Take a look at your infrared image and you can see your old gas water heater is leaking heat. This is where another device, similar to your dryer, is the Heat Pump water heater. You should swap yours out and let us know how it works for you. Only draw back is the louder sound of the built in heat pumps, but worth it if its in your garage. Getting popular with mult-family buildings, which is why they are priced so high.
I bought a Whirlpool heat pump dryer about a year and a half ago. I just checked my energy monitor for the whole year of 2023 and for a family of 4 adults the dryer only used 508/KWh. I was pretty happy about that!
I got one of these a couple weeks ago and like it so far. The thing that pushed me over the edge was the repairability of the unit as demonstrated by the RU-vid channel "Bens Appliances and Junk.". He's got some decent videos discussing this product.
Having a water drain outlet like a traditional washing machine is a good idea. Conventional drier unit here at wife's joint just has a water tank you have to empty out after each cycle. Still beats having to vent unit. Guessing would have to have refrigerant side attended to after X years. Looking at the fancy display, there is prob some kind of delay timer. Use this function here on front loader all of the time, so when I get home unit finishes up soon after. So no funny smelling clothes. Same deal if wish to wake up in morn n empty. For those in units an all in one would seriously be a help.
Thanks for the practical "in house use" experience video on the GE heat pump washer/dryer. Am planning on replacing my washer and dryer later this year and this model has been at the top of the list. Listening to your experience with the unit has reinforced my thoughts in favor of it. Although, as you said, due to cycle time and capacity it may not be the best choice for all households. LG has recently come out with a similar "all in one" unit, along with Miele and others. Hopefully, with more competition the prices will come down over time.
You are describing an old tech called a Condenser Dryer, we have had one for years, they are great, and work really well. The only real issue is making sure to clean the filter regularly (otherwise they can cause fires). Our Condenser Dryer uses around 1kw power during use, but does not use a heat pump (I am sure it would be even cheaper to run with one though). We also use a separate washer, it pulls hot water from the hot water tank to avoid needing to heat the water much as well. We have tried combo machines in the past, and they are always less efficient and less reliable than two stand alone machines, but if space is an issue, something like this would be far more useful for sure.
I got one few months back and it’s been awesome. We always left clothes in the wash to move them to the dryer but now everything comes out dry in one shot.
I have this, its pretty cool. However, if you like your clothes warm or hot coming out of the dryer its takes 3.5-4hrs for a full cycle, or closer to 5 hrs for a comforter. I would say this is good for small families 2-3 people. Any more it might struggle keeping up.
After spending a day researching a heat pump dryer via RU-vid videos, Finally, a quantitative analysis using the kill-a-watt meter ! I have metered my gas dryer, and it’s about 1/2 therm, but that’s depending on the fabric being dried. Thanks for being science based. Now I know the approximate electric that will be used to dry clothing…. But alas, there is always the option of a SOLAR dryer, it’s called a cloths line ! And it’s free ! Thank you for your video
I've been curious about these. When I lived in the UK, I had a combined washer/dryer. It was super convenient to start a load before heading to work, and coming back after work to clean, dry clothes.
Be wary of getting some paper mixed up with cloth. Don't ask what could happen🤔. You also need to ensure there is enough lint filtering, it will gumup over time on the evaporator coils(will find out after 2 yrs. ownership). If you take care of the above, it should last as long as your fridge(compressor).❤👍
Thanks for outlining this solution, Ricky! My goal over time is to eliminate the use of natural gas in my home. I'm looking into Miele after your mention and will continue to explore GE and other heat pump options. To work toward my goal of eliminating natural gas, I installed a electric Rheem heat pump water heater and it performs like a champ. Coupled with my Tesla solar roof, the heat pump hot water heater also cools and dehydrates my garage here in San Diego, California (we're practically neighbors!). Next, I'm looking at our gas furnace and gas clothes dryer and this video helps direct my next steps.
I've had a miele washer and heat pump dryer for 2 years now and while I mostly like it, had this been available then I would have strongly considered it for the space savings and not needing to switch from washer to dryer. The energy savings isn't as substantial for me since electricity is 8 cents per kwh flat rate or 5 cents overnight if doing time of use, but I like not having to use a dryer vent even though we have one, and I like that I could run everything on a fairly small inverter generator if needed. This seems especially good for helping people transition from gas appliances, just like the new 120v heat pump water heaters.
Thanks for the complete and thoughtful review. I was looking to replace a front loading washer and had considered the heat pump combo. Understanding its strengths and constraints was very useful in driving my selection.
You forgot to take into account the extra heating in the house for the exhausted air for the gas and electric dryers that exhaust to outside the house. Also, and this is part of the efficiency of the heat pump model, the process of condensing watervapor releases heat, that heat is then recycled by the heat pump to heat the dry air. In the Netherlands, natural gas dryers have never been popular or even available (as far as I know). I have been using electric dryers for 15 years and switched to a heat pump model 2 or 3 years ago. We have a separate washer (8 kg capacity) and our dryer can take that full load, for clothes the drying takes about 1 1/4 hr, towels take a bit longer. This dryer cost us about 750 Euro and has the second best efficiency rating. I still need to get a Kill-a-watt meter to check electricity use, but our electricity bill has gone down when we got this model.
There’s also additional heating of the home that would be needed in the winter if using a heat pump dryer. But this might be offset because there’s no pulling of cooler air from outside to allow a traditional dryer to pump air outside
Disappointing in that this video was meant to cover an ROI. Only did the basic obvious things. Of course calculating extra conditioning cost in winter and summer is key. But depending on household venting, allergens from outside and from in walls (mouse droppings etc.) from air being pulled through walls, cracks etc. And you can achieve this with just a washer with high speed spin and no dryer and no outside line for cheaper capital and maybe running costs. I've seen it done in London, UK.
The big downside for us would be the very long cycle times. For your family (and many others) throwing the clothes in at night works, but we do a lot of laundry (like beach towels) and worse (or better depending on your point of view) - every couple of weeks someone comes in to help clean (no we aren't rich) and she can do four loads in the time that machine does one. It would essentially waste her time. I love the heat pump technology, but I'd probably go with separates with the dryer having the heat pump. One of the companies (LG or Samsung maybe) also has 110 for their separates. Anyway, thanks for running the Kill-a-Watt to get real numbers.
Good video, glad you of all people put this one out. We've been having vent issues since we moved into our home. The builder put the vent too close to the floor and refused to fix the issue or admit his mistake. We can never get a proper connection, it's been driving me insane. Then I started reading about vent less driers but this goes one step further, a vent less washer / dryer combo. It's worth the price just to get rid of the vent and ducting headaches.
Excellent product. Uses less power. Doesn't pump hot air out of the house. Frees up a slot in the circuit breaker. Frees up space in the laundry room. We sold the old 20 year old washer/dryer for $300 and got a $200 rebate buying this. Payback period should be a couple of years. You do have to becareful to remove all the lint out of the filter so it doesn't get gunked up.
Thank you so much for this detailed content!! I been eyeing this for the last 6 months and was curious about the exact eletric usage. I just had solar and batteries installed to my home so I'm highly interested in replacing my very old washer and dryer. Luckily for me, this purchase is something my wife wouldn't object to 😂
Having wash go unattended and souring afterwards can be mitigated by using a quarter cup of white vinegar in the rinse. This alters the pH such that bacteria and mildew are eliminated. Your clothes will remain fresh. It will also prevent the problem of body odor immediately recurring on gym clothes when exposed to body heat and moisture. If you can smell the vinegar, you’re using too much.
I would save the water condensed from the dryer to water plants, as it is essentially distilled and wouldn't leave hard water salts in the plants' soil. What would happen if you dried clothes by putting them under a vacuum to evaporate the moisture in the dryer? There are even scroll pumps specifically for removing moisture from vacuum chambers.
If you have a standard electric dryer, during cold winter months, you should just vent the hot moist air into the house (through a filter to catch the dust) since that won't waste the heat and you need more humidity indoors when houses are dry. And, during summer months, it would be best if the dryer could pull in warm, dry outdoor air and exhaust the warm moist air back outside to minimize the air conditioner loading. I've never understood why no one has ever made an electric dryer that lets you control both the intake and exhaust air vents. The same goes for refrigerators since it would make sense to pull in cold outdoor air in winter rather than refrigerating warm indoor air.
This was epic! I can't believe you have so cheap gas that it still beats heat pump. What might be missing - in Europe you need to have yearly checks of gas systems (furnace, vents, etc.) That adds up quickly. That revision is mandatory by fire code and insurance. Probably not a thing in US? But still, this video was great, reminds me the one with water leak while installing water meter. We decided for 2 machine solution and drying room is better for us, but the rest is spot-on. And I have 3 girls, you have no idea how many times PER DAY can 7-year old change whole outfits :)
I live off grid and have a regular electric dryer, wife does laundry everyday sometimes 2 times a day This would be really nice for us. Especially since i built a tight home and the makeup air could be reduced substantially and we could have more space in the laundry room.
Beware of many apartments or condos with Bosch washer/dryer units. They install these to avoid a dryer vent. They not only have very small capacity, but dry time is over 2 hours. When buying a condo, I researched models and discovered a high capacity, stackable Whirlpool washer/dryer. Dry time is significantly better, provided you frequently clean both lint filters.
Ricky: This was very good coverage. But, for some reason, I am annoyed by referring to a standard a/c outlet as "110 volts." We dispensed with those in the late 1960s! The standard is 120 volts. It is probably a little bit more in practice, but the electric utility can adjust the voltage per a "group" residential connections on request (usually 3-6 houses per transformer). Note that the voltage of the two phases of the system will be half of the full voltage, so 120 / 240. Or you might request 125 / 250 volts.
Thanks for the description of how these work. We have an air source heat pump for HVAC, so I'm familiar with heat pumps, but i hadn't gone through the mental gymnastics to figure out how it would be used to dry clothes without a vent.
It's like a dehumidifier. Air flow hits the cold evaporator, water condesnses on that and drips off, then air hits the hot condensor, that warm dry air goes through the clothes . . . repeat! 😊 The air flow is a closed loop, keeps getting cycled continuously 'til the load is dry.
Thank you for your video. Just for comparison I would like to share my cost of drying so that you have an accurate set of numbers. I also have a large family and in the last 90 days we ran 122 loads in our washer (133 in the dryer but I don’t want to include partial or someone trying to just remove wrinkles). I have an emporia monitor that measures my electric consumption. My total cost of my power is $.163 per kWh. My electricity cost of my dryer for 122 loads is $48 over 90 days or about $.40 per load. Using your results shows that I would save $.24 per load or using your average of 300 loads a year a yearly savings of $72. It would take a while to get an ROI on the Heat pump dryer although I am impressed with the technology and will consider one when my dryer eventually fails. I do have a heat pump hot water tank that has been wonderful although it too takes a while to get an ROI. Thanks again for your video and I look forward to watching this technology mature.
As an HVAC and refrigeration manufacturers technical representative, I think that there will be increased maintenance with that washer drier. As the condenser and evaporator gets dirty, the efficiency drops significantly. That filter you showed keeps the big stuff out. Tightly finned coils are the thing for higher efficiency, so they can’t handle dust as they used to. If there. is refrigerant leaks, it may not be noticed until well after the performance drop .is noticed, unless there is discharge gas monitoring. That brings up electronics. My conclusion is that even with a COP of 4.5, electric drying may be cheaper, all thing considered.
Really depends on your energy prices. He already paid for solar. He made his energy cost 0 by buying that thing. There are ways to make that thing last 30 years. It's just that they probably didn't make it that way.
That last comment about set it and go to bed sold me. I spend one of my precious weekend days doing all the laundry while electricity is cheap and cringe everytime a load is run during peak hours. Being able to run a load every night while i sleep sounds great.
Yes, it absolutely is. I just wish people would stop making mountains out of anthills, and pointing to them as “examples” of “this’ll never work for me” isms.
I’m gonna get me of these for the mechanical room in my basement, which would only have room for one machine and this machine is it thank you for such an in-depth review this is awesome!
Just switched to heat pump ac window unit 450 stoped all gas usage this year in propane more generator. It used 1280 watts works perfectly all season flawlessly and 50% more cooling in btu for the same 575 wattage so Thank you I was looking for a new washer dryer Amen thank you god ! Now to earn that $ Buy some of my books everyone lol Thanks best video yet This will help reduce so much energy like my window Lg heat pump Perfect!
They are more complicated to fix, since they have fridge or AC circuit inside to warm the clothes with waste heat & take the vapor & condense it out on the cold side coil to drain. LG been making those all in one units since at least 2010, we have one in storage, from our first tiny apartment where it was running + a clothes line for finish drying, since the clothes came out almost dry & warm // we had that little thing humming all the time.
In the UK we have had a washer dryer for the last 30 years. Never needed any special changes, just plug it in and use it! I think that the ASHP version will be worth changing to in the future to save energy.
That waterproof seal hanging up clothes can easily be solved by putting a hard plastic seal in front of the waterproof seal therefore stopping clothes from getting trapped this usually happens with first gen products once the 2nd gen is released a lot of the issues are ironed out it is just something 1 gen owners should expect
You have to ask the question of long term longevity. If this thing breaks down, how much does it cost to repair? Is it reliable? I know for a fact that the newer washers and dryers with all the newer electronics break down often, and the electronics boards and parts are very expensive. That's why I have a simple washer and dryer. Most of the time I can repair it by myself by watching a few RU-vid videos. Like a Tesla it saves you a lot of money in fuel, but when it comes time ro repair, hardly anyone works on a Tesla and the parts and repairs are astronomically high.
I love this thing, put in dirty clothes, take out clean dry clothes. I have ADHD and sometimes forget things, like clothes in the washer for a few days, so I need to wash them an extra few times. With this they wash then dry, and I can pull them out whenever. I make use of the overnight feature that periodically tumbles them and drys them in case I forget to pull them out immediately. We have a fluffy blanket that used to take 2 hours on high and 1.5 hours on eco to fully dry. This dried it in 45 minutes. If I wash things with a thick waist band like sweat pants or jeans I need to select the "extra dry" feature which adds about 15 minutes. If it is very cold in the laundry room, ie 35f, it has difficulty drying. I ran a 350w space heater out there overnight to keep the pipes from freezing (it hit 20f overnight outside, the laundry room is not insulated). The next morning it was 50f. The next load didn't have problems drying. I bought one of those last weekend from best buy, for nearly a thousand off retail, open box. Open some private tabs and go to best buy setting your location at where you are, then a hundred miles in every direction in each tab, checking daily. One should show up eventually. I think mine was a returned christmas gift. I picked it up in an enclosed uhaul trailer with a ramp. I secured it with 3 cargo bars (from harbor freight) to keep it from moving forward or back, plus 4 ratchet straps to keep it upright and centered. At home I used a wheel dolly to get it off. I set it up on a pair of 2 foot long 4x4 blocks so that I will be able to easily service the water pump filter. Be forewarned that it weighs over 300 pounds so you should have 2 people to move it around. This could also work in an apartment without laundry facilities in the sink or kitchen because it only needs water, 110v power, and a small diameter drain. You don't really need a hot line, I doubt it pulls enough water to get any hot water out of it, just cold is fine.
Great breakdown One potential environmental hazard is more lent (often synthetic) is going to go into the water way with this system … separate driers capture a ton of lent and then manually gets tossed in the garbage. I imagine a lot more lent would get capture and escape into the drain water with this system. Manufacturers should exit water filters too to prevent this
Space too,installation costs, efficiencies, home heating savings. Lint tap fires . But still doesn't fold clothing. 😡 Ya ,but I hate the moldy dryer thing too.
In summary, I absolutely love this washing machine and would consider purchasing it again. However, I strongly advise against buying the riser stand. I've been using this particular model for approximately six months, having replaced a washer dryer single unit. The auto-sensing feature for detergent and fabric softener is exceptional, and while I've encountered minimal issues with items occasionally getting stuck, it's a rare occurrence. One of the standout features for me is the convenience of simply putting in the clothes and pressing the Go/Play button, making it the best laundry experience I've ever had. Nevertheless, I want to caution others about the stand. I opted for it to facilitate easier loading and unloading (being a 6'3" person), but regret that choice. The spin cycle tends to shake the machine, and the stand significantly amplifies this shaking. It's worth noting that the entire house shakes during the spin cycle, which might not be an issue with a concrete floor.
Honestly loved this. 🎉 In the pro sustainable energy youtube community i always see a bias and they try to brush the cons under the rug. Pros and cons exist in everything. This gives me more trust in your channel and i even so id still choose the heat pump washer/dryer. Thank you 🫡
They are adding a pet mode in April after they do the testing which runs the dryer before running the wash to blow all of the hair off of your clothes before they get washed.
Excellent explanation! I've seen some of the data on how efficient these heat pump dryer are do I was interested in getting one of these, but after your explanation of how the dehumidifier works without creating a low pressure zone inside my home bumped me over the top. I'm definitely getting one now!
I’m surprised by how different the appliances are in the US compared to the EU. I had hoped it was only in the past when I was in Florida in 2012 and saw a washing machine that looked like a concrete mixer. But you just shocked me with the information that you have dryers powered by electricity and gas 😲 Now I understand why you are so excited about this 😉 Nice video as usual! 👍
In the US you feed hot and cold water to the washing machine - often in Europe, you only run cold water which has to be heated electrically. The power usage is about 2.5kW which is right on the limit of 110V wall socket 20A 12 gauge wire.
I had early modle Kenmore version.. Brand new it was awsome . . Within months we started having issues with one of the 2 pumps. That seal around the door in our machine collected A LOT of lint. Which in turn got sent to a clean water pump. Pump would eventually get ruined and need to be replaced.. I'm handy so I changed them out one after the other.. after the 5th pump in 2 maybe 3 years. We went back to regular washer dryer.. The one thing our machine didn't have that yours does is a lint filter. . Our machine had no filter for lint. Only the door ring to catch the lint.. Just for example of the amount of laundry being done in my household. Minimum of 2 cycles a day. . My wife doesn't allow for dirty laundry.. I can literally live life in clean underwear and socks if only had 2 pair.. maybe even one each because she'd wash them and have them in my drawer before morning.. At the time of having this machine. It was me my wife 2 kids and taking care of my elderly father. Machine didn't hold up to 60+ washes a month. I'm curious if that filter will manage to save the clean water pump . Please keep us updated
Your numbers for drying were likely skewed by the problem with your vent not allowing the moist air to leave. The previous owner's dryer likely "burned out" due to overtemp for the same reason. Loads in an 8 cu ft dryer from an 4.8 cu ft HE front loader that spins at high RPM should dry in well under 1 hour and additionally the heating coil would be cycling on and off. Annual expense is likely half of what you calculated.
We bought our first washer/dryer working exactly as the shown principle 20 years ago in europe. Lastet more than 10 years. You can get systems like these for about 1000€.
It seams great. I couldn't use this because in my house we wash a lot of cloths and my wife would hate to wait to not be able to wash and dry at the same time.
Cool appliance.. i thought you were going to say that it no longer heats your house in the summer and cools your house in the winter like heat pumps do.. yes a regular dryer heats the house in the summer so even there, BUT the heat pump dryer also cools the house in the winter which makes the heating costs go up. I’d suppose this makes the power usage of the heat pump similar to a traditional dryer do to the extra heating of the home that would be needed in the winter due to using the heat pump dryer. Also by code the dryer outlet has to be 4 prong not 3.. EDIT.. as you said traditional dryer pulls cooler air from outside the home so the dryer can pump out the moist air. This might cool the home more than the cold released by the heat pump in the winter
I'm really impressed with these machines and I think we might consider buying one sooner or later. The early machines, mostly out of China, were terrible things. But the industry has come a long way, and I think heat pump all-in-one machines will eventually become the standard in modern homes. Very good video!
We have the LG 4.5 Cu Ft washer/dryer combo unit and like it. It has a long cycle but clothes come out clean and dry. There is a lot of lint build up around the door seal that needs to be wiped off after each use.
Like you, It often takes me all day to do 2 loads because I get distracted and forget to change-out the laundry. In my case, the washer is wearing out (door gasket, "shock absorbers", pins holding the front on - because of the dead shocks) and the dryer is electric. Plus, I'll be able to repurpose the 240 breaker's slot.
Great video, but some info is: It is very noisy. It will do software updates while the unit is on and stop your load leaving the washer full of water with no way to continue, and it does not have an option to drain or rinse and drain. The pods get jammed up in the door. The hose connectors are plastic and easy to damage. The door seal is always wet even after drying. And where the heck do they charge 0.42 cents per KWH, we pay 0.10 to 0.12.