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Yeah, I usually bail on these types of videos with an eye roll, but I really got sucked in. This "try to spin the car under braking" exercise is really brilliant. I really love this more abstract approach to understanding your car and all the nuances that aren't necessarily intuitive at all.
@@dcode1000 Basically, you first brake straight to slow down the car. Then you put a little bit of steering input, and release the brakes just enough to not get into ABS (or lock the fronts if you don't have ABS on the car) Then, this will make the car rotate, so you are in the trail braking phase, that was explained towards the end, you progressively release the brakes and add a bit of steering as the car rotates into the corner At the apex, you should be reaching 0% brakes, max steering, and then you progressively open the steering and get on the power TLDR : braking straight = slowing; braking with a bit of steering = turning
I think that practicing driving fast in a very understeery FWD is an underrated experience, because it teaches exactly this kind of lesson. The car doesn't want to turn and you can't use the throttle to gain rotation, so you have to learn how to get the car turning using brakes and weight transfer alone.
@@jaymxuI dial in a lot of oversteer in 4wd and use my right foot and my steering to modulate it. Especially something like an R32 Skyline which tends to understeer, I dial in oversteer thru the setup and bam it becomes a lot more easier and faster to drive.
The feel you get at 17:13 irl on track is something amazing. First time the car dived like this I was is in shock, not believe that cars can do that. Great session!
@@aniketmeshram6598 in general yes it will but it depends on how much u were overdriving the (probably front) tires beforehand because that also causes a lot of wear and track use in general will eat through tires either way
Amazing video Suellio!!! I have been driving the same way as the guy on the video. Steering mostly with wheel and not making the car rotate with brakes enough. After watching, i had to go to drive some laps in acc. It was hard to make the car spin with brakes🤯 After 20+ laps an my Nürburgring lap record 1:58.176 is now 1:56.787 You are the best!❤ Keep posting videos like this!
I think laguna seca is the perfect track to train on that rotation... high inner curve bumbs, sandbox close on exit, a lot of 70-100° corners so you do it at 3rd or second gear.
Excited to apply these techniques when I start racing with a wheel setup, for now I guess the jagged braking and throttle lines are staying, unfortunately 😂
I just saw this video and wanted to try it out. I just used my controller. Just after one and a half lap on Circuit de La Sarthe i can see and feel a major difference. So just try even if you're using a controller 😅
@@mikkelnielsen331do you have to brake later using this technique? Like are all your braking points closer to the apex since you're riding them longer?
Okay so you basically explained a thing i noticed but i couldnt find how to rewire my brain into doing this stuff more often, im already doing it but not as much as i'd like. Well, at least i know that i have some intuition in racing, so thats good >.>
I've been using this technique in the F4 lately. It's helped me find time and also to feel more confident to push during a race. I often have the problem where I'm fairly quick in practice, but then I lose like a second or more off my pace in the race. Part of it is just getting tense, but I'm also trying to ensure I don't lose control, especially in a pack, so I'm holding back. Now that I'm actually trying for a little bit of oversteer, I find I'm much more comfortable with it. I know to expect it and I can easily correct as needed. Now my race pace is much closer to my fastest laps in practice.
im not even close to being a top 5% driver but this watching this felt like a lightbulb turning on in my head. gunna practice this tonight and see how much i gain since im still around 2 seconds off the pace of the speedy peeps in my split.
Suélio, this is one of the absolute most important videos. I have never heard about this before. You need to emphasize this a lot! I have tried this exercise myself after watching and it's truly hard to make it! Please, emphasize this message mate, you are going to change the world, I have around 10 years of sim and this is my sinn, please push this and I'm sure you are the one who will make the difference! Thanks a lot for this tutorial, still working on it but this is the racing secret!!!!!!
This is interesting to see a driver from the opposite end of the spectrum. I've got a fair few world record times in sim rallying, but with circuit stuff, I'm often losing time with spending too much time in opposite lock. I'm very comfortable with having heaos of oversteer, so I'm able to drive always at the limit, but it costs time from being sideways everywhere, it's useful on gravel, but useless on tarmac.
Your video (randomly poped in my feed today) just changed my way of driving in sim forever... I was always slow, not knowing what I could do to gain more and today, after training induce oversteer, I litteraly beat my PB in ACC by 2,5s (and I know there is a lot more on the table...) Thank you sir ! I was losing hope and slowly getting bored of simracing but now ... I'm driving with a smile on my face !
Amazing video Suelio! You did an amazing job breaking down the telemetry and highlight phases of turn-in. Very good point that changing one part of a driving style means other things will need to accommodate, like the turning point.
Fascinating. As someone who's always a couple of seconds off race pace, I feel this is an exercise I can try to replicate. Great stuff. I'll keep watching.
Amazing content, as always. Suellio is the best coach you can find, don’t hesitate to go for the Motor Racing Checklist, it will change your mentality and make you not just faster, but more consistent.
Something that helps alot to learn this technique is using very rear heavy cars like old porsche 911, or toyota mr2. They reward you like crazy if you do it using them.
Definitely something I've noticed top drivers doing! I constantly wonder how they can be a second faster per lap when my braking points and apex speeds are identical. The difference is they are a tad faster into the corners due to having the extra rotation
I like drifting "cleanly" IRL, so I've learned to drift with the gas and to initiate it with the brake. Proper racing is basically drifting "a little bit, all the time", so, your turn before apex? brake and slide... your turn after apex? gas and slide.
Damn, actually an intelligent “transfer” of knowledge in real time, he is coaching him through the helmet, this requires a certain patience level, intellectual skill and ability to teach, it is not simple to teach people, I know people have iq in excess of 140 and simply cannot explain a single thing to another person , u can be a half wit and know something and have that special energy, “I would be your passenger “ is how he started off the dialogue . Respect, compliment, and a passive approach but still has authority and ability to keep you listening . I watched this entire video and I rarely do that on any topic
I was doing TT laps around the red bull ring in GT7, only focused on trying to induce oversteer on corner entry. I'm not getting enough rotation to break the rear, but I still managed to improve my PB by one tenth without even trying. Thanks Suellio!
talk about "ah-ha" moments in my sim racing career. I thought I understood trail braking until I saw this video. When you said "make the car rotate more with weight transfer" and the following drill of trying to get the car to spin .... bro, seriously. I just dropped an easy second off my race pace and I wasn't even trying. The car rotated so much on entry I was just amazed. I now understand why the best drivers have better feel / timing of the relase of the brakes. Thanks so much for sharing this video!
Writing this comment to show you what I learned: BEFORE 1. Brake less, carry more speed through the middle of the corner 2. Use ALL of the track on entry and exit 3. Downshift Earlier AFTER 1. Use the brakes to modulate the weight transfer and spin the car into the corner (induced oversteer, pitched the nose down the rear becomes light) 2. Less steering on entry, More engine braking on entry 3. Don't drop the brakes before the acceleration point, rotation will disappear 4. Turn in earlier than regular turn in point 5. Rotate the braking, but don't let the trail braking last too long after the rotation. Fade out the tail end quicker Thanks for making this!
I think i am getting on another level of sim racing after finding this channel. this guy knows even some things that i know already, he says it here. Great Channel
Man, i was expecting this to be another “just use slip” video but you actually articulated what makes someones driving faster or slower and gave insightful knowledge into the technique and not just “how to do it” Props! This is something you have to master for touge and its so satisfying, but also boring when no one can keep up 🥲
Suellio, you are a legend! I’ve been practicing this technique for a week and already improved my lap time by 2 seconds. That was in a GT4 car at Cataluña in Assetto Corsa. Very eye opening to use weight transfer for rotation! I’ve been doing this in rally for years without realizing you can turn using the brakes on road cars as well.
Gonna do the comment challenge, here we go. So, as someone who has come from oval racing but loves all other forms and wants to do more road racing (not even out of rookie yet, I never do road but I’m A license oval), I feel he’s using his steering too much and not leading the corner with his brakes for turn in, just looking at his traces. It’s a very common thing with ovals especially to rotate your car into corners with the brakes to create your car rotation. Thus, having less load on your front tires to extend your tire life and have a longer, more gradual tire degradation stint. Just finished the video and I was pretty dang close lol. Ovals have taught me a lot on how to rotate a corner efficiently because our runs are so long. A short track like Martinsville can have a run length of over 80 laps if it’s ran green the whole time. Front tire conservation is paramount. My main problem with road racing is remembering a track, braking points, etc. My ADHD brain just forgets it all way too quick and I usually have to spend like 2 hours to practice a track to be even remotely comfortable to get in the first lobby.
This is the exact opposite to my problem when i was younger , I always ended up spinning on corner entry, heavy trail braking and being greedy on corners. I watched a few videos to prevent it. Now I just learned that there was a positive to my old greedy driving. Now to find the middle ground of my younger self and current self to have the perfect rotation.
Like he said, and I feel the same, I do similar technique in karting, and try to turn in with the brakes, but getting that feel in the game and knowing if you are overdoing it is a whole art in itself.
Suellio, I've been trying to bridge the gat to the top 1% but as a 43 year old Father with a full time job and lot's of extra hours activities, I found it hard to reduce the gap of 2000hrs of practice against the people I race with. Last week I did my last race in Spa for a championship where my best time was 2:17.100 (in ACC with a McLaren 720s EVO) and the polesitter did a 16 flat. I did ONLY SIX Laps thinking about this technique and reducing my ABS (to be conscious of my braking) and with the same setups/conditions I already did half a second faster. I reckon that with 30-40 laps of practicing this technique to extract more rotation of the car I could do a few tenths more. I will SERIOUSLY consider 1:1 coaching online with you, bud. Your words just perfectly resonated in my head and I was immediately able to start seeing different results (I'm still far from a perfect technique of course!) This is amazing!
I just wanted to see the first minute of this as it seems too long for my morning...fuck, i watched it all, i was hooked to the screen like i was watching a film! You are great in so many levels (motivation, simplicity, explaining to different style of learners, video editor etc) Keep it up!
I do this naturally in GoKarting all the time, but in sim racing the feedback makes me more instinctively use the steering. But, will practice this on the sim, because it does make sense!
So is the braking setting set to no abs breaking at all or minimal setting? On GT7 I’m having difficulty getting rotation from braking Update: I turned abs off completely And added a brake balance setup to apply more rear braking to induce over steer braking to the car and indeed gained a complete second on my record time for that car.
This is true of any car, and why brake bias is vital to do this. There are cars which lock fronts very easily, which you cannot use this technique with - unless you move brake bias to the rear. Some are too much to the rear, so have to adjust forward. Brake power % also affects this, driver prefs, etc. Knowing when to use it is then very important
This was great. I'm at about 3600ir, and have often found I can capture a lot of this pace through rote copying, trying to parrot the brake traces of VRS laps, and finding that they're generally faster than what I might do naturally. But this video clarifies exactly *why* braking in that way works the way it does, and why when you get it just right it almost feels like the car is being sucked into the apex.
The very first moment i saw his driving i threw me back to my PC2 days when i was doing the same thing based on wrong suggestions - separate braking and steering. Brake in a straight line, drop the brakes, then steer. Took me awhile the understand that this is wrong. While hard braking is always done in straight line, trail braking is a must if you wanna be really fast. It's the key to carry speed through the corners.
I have your course, I have booked a 1 on 1 (which i still need to plan) but this video made me practice and already made me win an enitre second in Spa!! Just modulating the brake (let say between 1 to 10%) mid corner depending on howmuch rotation I need. Before it was just; sticking the brake just for the initial turn in, but not throughout the corner. Now I am sending it so much faster and am not even understeering. Thanks so much!
I just realize that I'm using this technique while driving a Porsche 992 GT3R in ACC. And I did experience understeers (sometimes oversteers) when I released the brake a little too quick. Thanks for making this video.
Dude this is the first video i see from you.. I've been a taxi driver and now im a semi truck driver so im basically living on the road and cars are my life.. But I have to say, You are better than me. I don't say this to a lot of people but you my guy with that "in that corner theres 150kg more on those wheels" you bought me :D you see the system globally with every aspect in it and i can't say else than RESPECT AND KEEP IT GOING! I don't know who tought you this or where did you learn it but it is a big oppurtunity for your whole life. Good Luck buddy!!
I primarily do speed drifting, but without watching the rest of the video, just the sections you pointed out. I think, he is rolling too much on the turns and need to transfer the weight more to the front. I'd tell him to use the 3 tap breaking method, taptap squeeze to bounce the weight to the front a bit. But what do I know, I mostly drift. Time the watch the rest of the video now.
It's crazy that I've been changing my brake balance by 2-3% to eradicate/tame this characteristic... but I'm gonna try this lesson on Watkins Glen - my quali times are about +1 second to the really fast guys but I often finish in the top 5 because I'm consistent and faster than the rest of the pack. It has a lot of sweeping turns too so if I master it there reckon I'll be great everywhere else! THANKS FOR THE GUIDE! ❤
This is such a cool breakdown of one very specific thing, I find when I gave got the car rotating like this it’s like a different level of control and speed - but it’s so easy to lose again. It’s full seconds of pace at something as turny as Sukuka.
Exactly! Learnt this in iracing with the Mazda. You have to get the car into oversteer and balance it there into the apex. You can practice this using lift-off oversteer technique on any straight piece of road, induce it left followed by right etc. Really learn the limit of the car within a lap or two.
Nice, I already do that.... just not riding that often. Getting rotation with the brakes, using weight shift feels awesome, already did that 20 years ago with my BMW M3.
This is why I'm happy I started with the Miata cup first, instead of jumping straight into GT3/Formula cars. Steering with the brake is essential in softer and lower power cars. I recommend the Miatas to everyone starting their simracing journey.
quality content. Regular on SRO APAC here, i've been constantly watching your video about this, and now I'm trying to fix this bad habit hoping that I can progress through the rank. Hopefully this will solve my problem
this video is awesome! been recently getting into sim racing and this is the exact video I’ve been looking for. I had troubles translating this technique to the sim, coming from karting but this video clarified a lot. huge props!
There's a term for what you're trying to explain: Trail braking. Absolutely mandatory on bikes and quite a bit faster in cars too. EDIT: 14:55 I dont know about that specific racing sim but in real application the fading brake cycle and the point where you start applying the gas actually overlap. Thats where heel toe braking comes into action. This way your weight actually shifts back on the rear tyres early enough to maximize grip for the post apex acceleration.
Easiest way to learn trailbraking: delay your braking points more and more, until you have to MIX the braking and turning because otherwise you'd overshoot the corner. You will naturally dwell on the brakes for longer and you will notice that braking and steering shouldn't be separate things like black and white. You blend them into each other and braking helps you steer. The braking transitions into steering like two sinusoidal curves, and the sum of the two is the maximum traction of your tire. In reality you add them as vectors (braking longitudinally to the car, steering perpendicular) and the sum is basically a g-vector that must stay within the traction circle (which changes size for each tire according to its load).
Before watch the rest of the video: in the first corner he’s moving too much the wheel because he’s not taking all the road, and in the second corner, he is pointing the car into a negative angle under braking, making to rotate more the car and losing the earlier acceleration. I will edit my comment after watch the whole video. Edit: I was right in the problem of car rotation and wheel steering but I was wrong about the origin of the problem. Very interesting, I learned years ago about oversteer the car with the brakes because I love drifting, but I don’t like to use the handbrake, so I will try that technique on racecars! Great video, more videos about coaching drivers please!
You Clearly know what you’re talking about, I feel a prolog to the lesson, with an overview of what will happen both good and bad, would be more suitable for a wider audience. Some drivers will not have the stable personality needed to change/fight their instincts whilst also seeing a drop in lap time. I have not had the time to test your lessons myself, but I am confident in your ability to instruct others. Good job sir.
You can do this by lift off the throttle or gentle left foot braking, which transfers the weight off the rear wheels. It's just trail braking essentially
newish to iracing focused on f4 last season, current sitting at 2700 irating, upon reviewing my telementry against some of those aliens, i do realize i have more steer input than them, in return, i scrub off some time there, how can they acheive rotating without as much steer as i did? by braking.he just explained why its happening and how they do it, nice!
