Hi everyone at fully charged , it would be great to put wh/km on the screen in some form, 3,5 miles/kwh means absolutely nothing to me in mainland Europe 😊 love you all
Same here, but I learnt how to do this b/c our EV shows it this way too... So, 3.5 miles/kwh x 1.609 = 5.6315 km/kWh. 1 / 5.6315 = 177.6 Wh/km. If you want kWh/100 km you have 100 / 5.6315 = 17.8 kWh / 100 km
@@TheophilusPWildbeest that was why I asked to flash it on screen, I get why m/kwh is used, it is just a number that has no meaning to me, and since it is an absurdly expensive car i don't really care enough to look it up, but it is still interesting. Don't know if that makes all the sense ;-)
I have a 2021 E-tron at the moment, I get around 220 miles of range out of a full charge. I don’t see how slightly better aero a slightly more efficient motor and a little larger battery can yield more than 50% extra range! If I ginger the car I can get 2.6 miles/Kw but typically around 2.4-2.5 on road-trips. How can this now get 3.6!?! Let’s see what the real world reviews show us.
They can`t That is just a marketing "trick" for people to spent 80k+ on RC Toy.. And if you put also proper cargo in it will be at best.. 400km range.. Tesla long range manage with 1 motor and 80kWh battery to make 600km with average 160Wh/km. I doubt that 20kWh and two motors and bigger mass will make the same range. From other hand, with over 100kWh battery Mercedes claimed 700km range..
The claimed massive jump is only for the new Q8 50, which has got the battery from the outgoing 55 model. Thus in practive a +33% larger battery. Then add that they allow +2% more of the battery to be used and 6-7% lowered consumption. The most fair comparison is looking at the new Q8 50 vs the outgoing 55 (although the latter has slightly more engine power). The Q8 55 will get a +20% larger battery plus the efficiency gains vs outgoing 55, so not as massive range increase there (in precent).
Most modern SUVs achieve around 3m/kWh on the motorway. The outgoing etron's motors and battery tech must have been what, 4+ years old? New motors, new battery improved aero now. If this thing achieves 3.5m/kWh on a summer's day (in the UK) with no wind then you're almost touching the claimed range. I suspect it'll be 3-3.3m/kWh year round = 300-340miles real world?
I agree with Jack's point about these cars not really fulfilling the true ideals of EV evangelists, but, by compromising, they attract buyers who would otherwise not go EV. It's still a win. Same argument goes for the wheels - a slightly less efficient EV is still better than the alternative. So if that's what it takes to get people to buy them, so be it.
Porshe kept the lightbar trend going from the 90s until now, with the recent trend the Porsche Cayenne was the first (modern high end) lightbar along with Audi A8 and Lexus UX following
Too big! These are rolling traffic jams. A friend sold a Q7 because they couldn't park it in their street, and in my town big SUVs regularly cause bottlenecks because oncoming vehicles can't get past.
Audi deserves more criticism over not using a dedicated EV platform - they could have gotten more efficiency out of it. Interior is cluttered and looks dated compared to some other automakers. Software needed more look as well as phone app - most legacy auto makers absolutely suck at UI/UX and Audi is one of the worse offenders typically - would like to see if they have improved there. Happy to see outside design is actually starting to evolve otherwise that Audi look started to become old and losery.
I think Porsche were 'first' to have light bars, which everyone else then copied. A bit of a resurrected idea though, because some American cars in the late 80s and early 90s had front and rear light bars, including Mercury and Pontiac.
The car in the first 7 or so minutes of this vehicle looks identical to my car. I have the same 22" wheels, that's the "chronos grey" special paint - and the car has an identical sillouhette. I'm kind of surprised with this announcement if I'm honest, as this model gets so much hate. I expected they'd just scrap it in favour of the new "A6" concept they've been touting. The level of refinement in the original e-tron vs any Tesla model is off the charts and its performance is rarely matched. YES it doesn't have chart topping range, but while you won't arrive at your destination with much charge in the battery - you will arrive recharged.
Again an impressive car with beautiful looks and a premium brand. But one should wonder what to expect regarding software, apps and support and further development. It is definitely not state of the art. Since Audi is failing big time with their Audi E-tron Q4.
Come on Audi..... yes it more efficient than the last car, but that car wasn't really anywhere near efficient in the first place. The slow charging speed compered to other EV's and the normal 'just put a massive battery in it and hope for the best' attitude like Mercedes do with their cars. How about you just make the batteries more efficient and smaller like I don't know that brand that begin with T... It still amazes me how the big brands still haven't got this right with all their R&D money the spend each year. They just seem to put a car out and say 'yeah that will do' and customers just go, well if that's all there is I suppose, I'll buy it..
Not that I'm in a position to be able to buy or change cars atm. But if I was I'm really frustated by the fact that car manufacturers are totally neglecting making a car close to being truly practical. I've got a big dog, and in our country it's encouraged to use a dog cage for everyones safety including the dog. But the rooflines of most cars, electric or otherwise are so sloped at the back, one could hardly fit a packet of crisps standing up, no less a big cage for your dog. In regards of using your car for other practical things, like picking up furniture and washing machines and so on and so forth, most new cars are useless. Designers are yet again dictating the consumers in the car world as many other places. And I find it hopeless! The fact that almost no journalist on any major platform points to the fact that most people doesn't need a limousine like space in the back of their cabin, just because the Asian market likes that sort of thing. Rarely most people carry a car full of grown people in the back, if the car is full of passengers, it's more likely to be kids now isn't it?! So why can't we get anything remotely practical from todays car manufacturers?! Please!
Just keep making them bigger and fatter. To get more range from shoving an even more massive and expensive battery into it... When that battery could be split in 2 and put in 2 smaller more efficient cars.
I wonder if real world testing will show the efficiency as Audi claim it to be will have to wait and find out from Bjorn, Kyle & Tom when they test the car in real-world.
The e-tron 50 was pretty accurate with its real-world range so I would expect this one to be similar. I think I read somewhere that Audi’s WLTP was one of the most accurate.
104-106kWh (Audi media kit says 106kWh) with much better efficiency and faster charging makes this a long distance road trip beast. 30 minutes stoppage adds a realistic 200 miles of freeway range on top of the nearly 300 miles from 100% down to 10%.
thanks for a realistic and review of a facelift version. Better in important areas but still the etron that many new EV buyers love. I suspect that this car is far more popular because of its evolution of the Audi brand and the electrification of same, than some other EV's that are too "out there".
I always look out for your reviews. For some of us of similar heights but heavier build it’s often difficult to judge our relative body mass fit in a vehicle when other present review a vehicles.
I know, I know, Brexit and all, but could you please do the conversion from miles per kWh to kWh per km for us? It ruins the video when consumption isn't easily available for me. (Yes, I can convert it myself, but I'd rather have it on-screen). Thanks! (Great video, as always, BTW).
What makes the current e-tron enjoyable on long journeys (apart from the car itself which is such a wonderful, quiet and relaxed glider) is the charging curve, as you say. No matter at what SoC or temperature I plug mine in, it pulls around 150 kW all the way to 80% and never drops below 50 even at 99%. Also after three years and 100k km, the battery doesn't appear to have lost any (usable) capacity. With more initial range and improved charging power, it should crack 10 hours in Bjørn's 1k km challenge. So not quite as good as an EQS or e-tron GT but not far from it. I was eyeing an EQS for next year but now I'm not so sure any more. Mostly agree on the camera mirrors. You get used to them eventually - even appreciate them, especially at night - but I wouldn't order them again unless they're less than 10k NOK or so extra. Best and least talked-about feature on the e-tron is infrared night vision. Hope the new one gets it, too.
That's good to hear. I was dubious about this car having a full 10kwh of redundant battery (way more than usual) but seemingly this is why - it enables superior charge curves and batt longevity.
Hey, thanks for the first-hand experience! I wouldn't buy the cameras just for the pricing reason alone. But I hear that Audi owners who selected this option really love it. So, basically, if it was just say 1-2k you'd get it again?
@@drunkenwhiskeyeu If you're talking 1k in € or $ it would have to be less than that for me to pick the cameras again. Upsides and downsides are a wash, basically - at least for me. Still catch myself leaning forward or sideways to adjust my viewing angle when reversing or on an onramp until I remember that doesn't change anything - which is subconsciously frustrating. On the other hand the clarity at night where cars overtaking can be clearly seen rather than just being two glaring orbs in physical mirrors makes up for that. Plus IMO the car looks better without the voluminous mirrors. So yeah, worth some money for me but not a lot. YMMV
@@drunkenwhiskeyeu The cameras were standard on my '20 car (launch edition) and are standard on my (ordered but not yet received) q8 etron. i've done 53,000 miles and have no issues with them. but each to their own, they take a little getting used to but not much.
No, a Opel Manta from the 1990 looks better than a Tesla...the Steering Wheel is an inherit of the Sidewinder Force Feedback Steering wheel for computer games from the 90th, too...the most awful old fashioned badly build ugly car ever...frome the front as if a snail has hard time to breath since anyone stands on his neck...and people spent a lot of there hard earned money for it...cannot believe it.
Bigger battery to get more miles - thats the same as a bigger fuel tank. A dumb way to get more range. Especially given electricity is so expensive presently. Smaller, lighter is the only long term answer.
My thoughs exactly. But Audi caters only to the wealthy, and they care more about looking wealthy than being efficient, so that's what they get. Same as Porsche, or any of the 'high end' brands
Another X car … X for Xpensive . I don’t care if it runs forever with one charge . I’m getting worried with what I saw in Paris : no cheap European cars , Citröen appeared with DS , Renault the reporter said “is moving into a more premium brand”, they are going Alpine, Seat is now Cupra , Ford launched a “Mustang” not, a electric Ford, Audi simply doesn’t care about cheap cars, Mercedes went bezerk and didn’t even care about going to the Paris car show and showed off on a museum (so lame and shameless!!)… I mean, I never really wanted a Chinese car, I want my old good European brands or reliable and so well built Japanese car, but it’s getting impossible to buy an affordable car which has an acceptable highway range .
I ordered a Volvo C40 (which arrives in a couple weeks) but monthly cost doesn't vary that much for Q8 which is very interesting (for leasing at least). Might have to re-consider when I change car after this contract expires. I drive a VW Tiguan today and been dissatisfied with their build quality but Audi been better in the past so perhaps Q8 being in the upper tier is better in that area.
We have a q7 and a q5 and want to buy an Audi electric. All have been disappointing to say the least. Range sucks and continues to suck it isn’t better or even competitive to a tesla, a ioniq 5 or a Lyriq. Your evaluation is way too forgiving.
...and new motors. Agreed. There wasn't much wrong with the original etron in all other aspects (in my opinion). I'm sort of disappointed but also thinking well, yea makes sense.
You really have to be an Audi kind of person to buy this one! Mercedes EQS SUV, BMW iX, Tesla Model X are all way ahead, I think. Audi has done nothing new, and they even continue on the fossil platform. Old men thinking old-fashioned ways ...
The cars you mention cost a lot more for similar features. Out on the road all of them you mention have hurrendous 80-100% charging times. So 80% of their max range puts them a lot closer to the range of the Q8. Also because of the distance between major charging stations most cars are stopping at the same stations anyway.
Its a terrible location that is super hard to shoot in without manual exposure control. Seems like Audi are either trying to make the car look smaller or disguise a generally underwhelming design.
I have the outgoing etron 55 SUV. It is magnificent but ridiculously heavy and inefficient. This looks like a very good update, but the upcoming PPE EV platform based cars like the Q6 etron should be better still. The new Q8 etron 50 model has as much battery and more range than my 55. Perhaps that’s now the one to choose.
Hopefully they actually bring out the car with finished software. My Q4 is 1 year old and still haven't gotten an upgrade to enable the basic standard functionality. So surprised that no review online talks about the BETA software that Audi delivers to sold cars. Audi should focus on delivering finished cars including proper software and decrease the number of models they bring out.
Just watched this video, and went home and noticed my Gen2 2006 Toyota Prius front wheels having the same front Under Arch Wheel Aero Flap to improve the car's Drag CO-Efficiency. Rightly so that Audi took inspiration from the Prii as they are to date, some of the most efficient ICE cars around.
The issue was not the name, but the range … people were heavily disappointed that a car , initially announced with a range of 600km finally ended as a car where you were happy to reach the 350km .. on a daily use the range was poor not okay. Definitively when you compare it to Tesla S/x ,which was the only point of reference at the time, the range was just simply poor.
I’m glad they’ve changed the name so we know where it fits in the E-Tron model line-up. Incidentally, the grey satin finish around the grille along with grille styling looks very reminiscent of my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 😅
Great review, its worth noting that you mentioned at least twice that Audi isn't a brand that's known for making cheap cars, ICE or EVs, and I fully agree, there a luxury brand. There's way too many EV critics whining "where are the affordable EVs?" Not with Audi or Porsche, and that's fine with me because the quality seems to be there and its representative of the asking price. So far I think the German brands have their EV act together with the quality foremost, and their designs are attractive inside and out.
I'm a huge fan of Audi, and while yes they've made expensive cars these prices (75-85k starting) are in line with the gas car, so the premium for battery might be dropping.
All true except that given the competition the Germans are behind, polestar 3 Lotus Eletra, Tesla X even Nio EL7 Xpeng G9 all bespoke platforms very efficient, very competitive and all quicker to sixty than this ..
Everyone who buys an higher priced EV is helping to build the market and pay off the investments that will bring me my cheaper car - I'm very grateful!
only 370 miles (and that is only WLTP, so no wqy it achieves anything close to that in real lofe). lets see what Nyland will find in a range test. with such a massive battery is a joke to me ... and jeeez all these Dinosaur monster SUVs... one could think that the massive weight gain in the population might be related 😂😂😂
Don't look at the new Hummer EV, whatever you do (200kWh). It's gonna make you blow your gasket. Kinda makes me sad about the future my kids are going into...
These are what beginners do think, me to I used to think the same way...Thank God I met Mrs Lissett Daniela Weinmann...she helped me in trading and inculcate how the market works..
Why can't manufacturers make left- and right-sided wheel rims? On one side the rims 'point' forwards, and the other side they 'point' backwards. Once you see it it cannot be unseen, hahaha! It's a pet peeve of mine that even luxury car makers cannot get this right.
Sorry Jack, but I'm still unimpressed that this is a big SUV and I'll tell you why: Firstly, I accept that Audi is a big car luxury brand, but I do not accept that its newest EV model needed to start with a Q. I would much rather have seen an A6 e-tron (which is in development) or an A3 e-tron - either an A3 saloon to take a shot at the Tesla Model 3 or an A3 hatchback built on the MEB design of the VW ID.3 and Cupra Born. An A3 hatchback which would have been quick and cheap to develop, it could have had a very healthy four-ring-badge markup and it could have helped support scale-up and profitability of the MEB hatchbacks. Speaking of which... Audi may be a luxury brand, but they're a part of Volkswagen Automotive Group (VW AG). They're supposed to support the rest of the group with revenue and technology, and I'd have much rather seen engineering effort focused on bringing the SSP platform out sooner, or even the PPE platform. I want to see *more* EVs with good technology, not bigger or more expensive ones. Audi have improved the efficiency of the Q8 e-tron, but it's still nothing to write home about. The Mercedes EQE SUV and the BMW iX still beat it on efficiency. If they're using an 'asynchronous' motor, that's probably an induction motor, which is much better at delivering torque than high efficiency, and having 3 of them seems like a waste of copper. I hate seeing car battery packs larger than 100kWh. Current predictions (from some guys I know at Exawatt) are that, for lithium supply to meet the projected demand for EVs in 2030, the average pack size needs to be 20-30kWh. Putting 100kWh of batteries into a big SUV is supremely wasteful and terribly unjust. Saloon and hatchback bodies can make smaller packs deliver higher range (just look at Tesla). Finally, supply serves demand, but supply also shapes demand. I've seen a fair few A1 and A3 hatchbacks in my neck of the woods, to say nothing of other brands, but even those who *want* an electric hatchback and *refuse to buy an SUV* have very few options (particularly since VW has slashed the variety of ID.3 powertrain options). Every time an automaker says that 'SUVs are more popular', I wonder how much they've invested in updates and marketing of their SUVs and how much they've spent on their hatch/saloon/MPV vehicles. Audi's only EVs are two big SUVs and a GT that's a rich kid toy, and I will continue to be unimpressed with them until they're selling A e-tron models. Overall, it's a nice step forward from the old e-tron, but Audi are still not in my good books.
Another "I have a small... something"-mobile. The fully charged guys are very nice, very polite, very indulgent of these crap carmakers. They are so much nicer people than I am. I just see this as more conspicuous consumption and waste. I watch these because they're Fully Charged shows and I think Fully Charged is great as are all the people involved. But I have ZERO interest in this product, or anything made with this mindset. EVs don't need to be super efficient at high speeds. They need to be SLOWER, as wind-resistance goes up exponentially. The target is 120 kph, not 200 kph. They need to be cheap, space-efficient boxes. This is a fail on all levels.
According to Wikipedia, the Mercedes EQC's world premier was 13 days before the original Audi e-tron. So the e-tron wasn't the first for sure. I have no idea if there was another BEV before the EQC though.
I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed with the review (I've hit the Like button anyways): when describing the interior, make more shots of the interior itself and not of you just sitting in it/playing with your beard:) A wide shot of the dash and steering wheel would have been nice. Even more so with the legroom - cannot really see anything from that angle, so your remarks on the 'almost flat' floor.. Well, I'd love to see it with my own eyes. Further, I know some owners who have the camera option - and they love it, and would never go back. Though it takes some getting used to. Some info on that beyond 'I don't like it' would again be nice, especially if you consider 20% of the e-tron sales have this option. An owner's experience - highly desirable. Lastly, the Sportback. You neglected to mention the car is actually WIDER, that's why it looks a bit more majestical.
Stuff that crap, chase the affordable, cheaper vehicles please ! I'm still waiting to drive one, that doesn't project a completely unreal mileage capability 🤪 Peugeot E208 says 217 miles Actually only does around 150 ish .
Standard Audi, a bit better, a bit different to the predecssor. But not too much. But it does mean the EV is fully part of Audi, it's changing the same sort of way all its ICE predecessors have. And the etron wasn't just a look here then do nothing more for a decade - Nissan and the Leaf, BMW i3, Renault with its 2012 launch of many weird things like the twizy all examples of one big push and stop for far, far too long.
I had an e-tron 50 as a company car and it was the most beautiful thing - the interior was pretty much perfect. The only disappointment was the range (I was getting 150-175 miles out of it) and the efficiency. We currently have an A4 Avant while we wait for Audi to develop the EV version and it does 450 miles on a full tank of fuel (it’s a Quattro so runs on E95 - ouch!) so an etron with almost 400 miles of range is going to be a game-changer. One question on the interior - I presume it has the customisable lighting like the outgoing e-tron? Sitting in the car with the lights set to “calypso” was like being in a spa 🤣
Ive got the Etron 50 now (had it since July) and the range is a real big issue. AGree as soon as they get top 350 / 400 they are a no brainer.... But they are expensive!
The new 50 has more range than my current 55. Range is less of an issue than I thought when I switched to EV. It’s also about charging speed on a long run. The interior lighting was an option on mine as part of the comfort and sound pack. I’m hoping the new cars have a better level of standard equipment. My Technik 55 is pretty woeful for equipment.
the first Q e-tron was the Q5 hybrid, and then the naming became a mess when they introduced the "e-tron" SUV model. the Q5 was then renamed to either 50TFSIe or 55TFSIe. I have the later and when you start it, and indeed the dials all say "Audi e-tron" on them.
Come on, Audi, make a real EV instead. Sure, have performance but do it for real. I'm not impressed enough. The reason Audi focused and improved on range and efficiency was ONLY because it was so underwhelming on the previous E-Tron and got criticized for it.
I wait for the day when rural fuel stations have their own windmill to generate much cheaper electricity (with normal cabled grid electricity to supplement). Now THAT would warm the hearts of Earth Lovers.
Porsche has 800V charging which is much faster than this, why would they not include it here? Baffles me why if you have the technology you don’t use it. I don’t want to wait 30 min if I am on a road trip.
That C pillar on the non-sports back (why would you get one of those?) looks rather Bentley-esk. The front badge if you had've described it about it being flat like it is eww, but seeing it, it makes so much sense and looks great. I did laugh during the under the skin bit, the mention of Hyundai, the wheels stopped turning, like the Audi model said yeah nah Mate, mention another marque we aren't going to do our thing, soon as Jack mentioned Audi, the wheels start moving again, like the model is saying yeah ok thats better talk about us! Cheers for the vid.
After all the time and effort, a 6% efficiency improvement is quite pathetic. I'd prefer if they had saved the redesign and renaming for when they actually had a ground-up designed EV. They added range by just putting a bigger heavier battery in it. That's not really an elegant solution, but rather something like the ridiculous Hummer EV does.
I have two major gripes about the presented technical specs of the car. First of all - we do not measure charging speed in kWh. And second - since the smallest moon of Jupiter weighs approximately 520 million metric tonnes - I seriously doubt that the car weighs more than four smallest moons of Jupiter combined. And with that - the efficiency isn't as impressive anymore.
Not much LIGHT to the subject. Looks like Audi doesn't want the public to REALLY SEE the details of their new EV. Will there be tweaks after this showoff?
The former e-tron was a totally awful car. High consumption, veeeeeery heavy and numerous build quality problems which owners had to fight with Audi to get sorted. I truly hope this new version will be better for the brave who dare to buy one. I left Audi after a nightmare with an e-tron lasting about 7 monts (whereof 7 weeks at the dealer's without ever getting help with the issues). Now I am a happy owner of an EQS - and there is a night and day difference in how Mercedes treats its customers compared to Audi.
Did Audi's branding department not worry it would get confused for the Middle Eastern country? Like, say the real Kuwait is embroiled in some scandal or something - suddenly calling your car Q8 is going to look like a pretty dumb idea.
