This is it, the DEEPEST Lore (ft. Camelworks) | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #38 

"Skyrim Orc Nipples" just got a huge spike to search stats

So deep that the lore has lore

All this deep lore knowledge brings me dangerously close to zero summing

These are the only podcasts I listen to because I care more about Elder Scrolls lore than real life events

Ya know, in the comments on the first fudgemuppet elder scrolls podcast I remember asking if they would ever have camelworks on.. and I felt silly afterwards. But here we are, 7 hours of content with camelworks! Love it!

The Turd Helmets bit is about concept art where they note a Nord helmet is made of "fur and turds".

"Khajiit lactate genetic memory" is a reference to a book in Oblivion called Ahzirr Traajijazeri. "The Imperials feel that everything must be written down for posterity, but every Khajiiti kitten born in Elsweyr knows his history, he drinks it in with his mother's milk."

This has been by far one of my favorite Fudgemuppet series. Please continue with these abstract headcannon theorycrafting sorts of videos. The Unreliable Narrator is so fascinating to explore.

My description of that Sword Singing thing is terrible. Look it up and see for yourself how absolutely awful it is.

Uriel VII's daughter Ariella Septim is mentioned only once in the beginning of the French version of Arena as the heir to the throne while Uriel VII is the Emperor. She is never brought up again.

On the old Bethesda forums Kirkbride said that “Arenotelicon” is a word to describe Vivec as a creature that shifts between male and female.

anarchism: belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion. anachronism: a thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.

Mantellan portal in Illiac: Upon entering a player owned boat in Daggerfall, levitating off of the boat and across the ocean can lead you to a secret "dev entrance" to the Mantellan Crux. Taken literally, this would mean that a portal to Aetherius physically exists within Iliac Bay.

On the Gods being "Imaginary" there could be two interpretations. One is that, since the whole of the Aurbis is the Dream of the Godhead the Gods are all merely components of the Dreamer's psyche. Another is that, while a lack of belief won't kill a God, the different Myths of mortals shape how they manifest on Nirn. The Myths are like masks the gods wear or that the myths are like different shaped vessels that a god's essence can fill. I think Tomorrowind is a Dunmer city on one of the moons in C0DA Ameranth Anon Anu: Anu was born in another dream and became the Ameranth thus creating his own dream (The Aurbis) becoming the new Godhead. In psychological terms, Anu (as in the force which shaped the Aurbis) is the ego of the Godhead, what he identifies as himself. That's why we call Anu the dreamer, as Anu is the name he goes by in the dream. Padomay is the shadow of the Godhead, the parts he does not recognize as a part of himself. Both still are a part of the same mind and all the confict in the Aurbis is Anu not being able to accept Padomay as a part of himself and so fights against it. Multiple times throughout the Aurbis things are split in two: Void is split into Anu and Padomay. The et'ada are split into Aedra and Daedra. Ehlnofey are split into wandering Ehlnofey/Men and old Ehlnofey/Mer. The Aurbis is constantly at conflict with itself (another reason why Tamriel is called The Arena) and will only stop once Anu recognises Padomay as a part of himself. Then he may Dream a better dream, a new dream. Anu Dream. Atmora Aldmeris Inversion might be the idea that while Atmora is frozen in time, Aldmeris is boiling in time. I think The Catalyst is referring to an enantiomorphic catalyst, the thing which instigates and embodies an enantiomorph. Nir was the catalyst of the original enantiomorph involving Anu and Padomay. By space gods, I don't think it means outer space/oblivion. I think it means gods that govern physical space the way Akatosh governs time. In that case, I'd say Lorkhan is the space god as he created Mundus, the first physical space that all other physical realms are mimicking. On "Akavir says to otherkin: get out", it was Kirkbride mocking otherkin in the TES community by having Tosh Raka tell them to leave Akavir (which is full of beastfolk). He later deleted it and said he regrets it. Reman Cum-crackers: Joke about "I am Cyrodil come". He eats his own semen baked into food. Akavir new ameranth: if akavir is the future, then it maked sense for this tobe where the coming Ameranth is from. Specifically, people think Tosh Raka could be the Ameranth as he became a dragon (Draco-chrysalis) perhaps signifying he has become the new Time dragon for a new dream (since Akatosh was the first spirit that allowed other spirits come about). Anu's remorse: I think that is the idea that Anu (as in the dreamer before he dreamed) killed his lover ( represented as Nir) and "slept behind the sun", thus making the aurbis. Padomay is Anu's shadow (the parts of himself he doesn't identify with or actively reviles) so he is cast as the murderer. He can't accept the guilt and so externalizes it as his "brother". The whole dream of the aurbis is born from this guilt a remorse, as that is what made Anu sleep and caused his internal schism (interplay of Anu and Padomay) CHIM quantum witness: reference to observer effect. Measuring a super position collapses the super position. The entiomorph is a super postion. Both parties are equally matched, so can determine who is the ruling king and who is theif? You need a witness to collapse the superposition and labelwho is who. In the case of Morrowind, the witness was Vivec deciding who was who in the conflict between the Nerevarrine and Dagoth Ur.

Elf sightings has to do with the heartland high elves. In oblivion you get load screens, I think, about how they may still live on deep in the woods

If no one has mentioned it already, A Mara was a mythical creature in Scandinavian/Germanic folklore, written as Mare in old English and is the origin of the word nightmare in English. It was a wraith-like creature. So I'm pretty sure one about NightMara is simply a play on words.

Reman hearing REMAN be called across time makes sense when you believe his first words were "I am Cyrodiil Come"

Red shifting is basically the Doppler effect but for light. When an object (usually a star or galaxy IRL) is moving away from you at relativistic speeds, the light from it takes longer and longer time to reach you. Hence the object appears to turn red as it gets farther and farther away. The opposite of that is blue shifting, when an object is approaching you, and since the light it emits gets “crammed up” it appears to turn more and more blue. So Master Red Shift would have been the Usain Bolt of Magna Ge, who dashed off of Nirn so fast he achieved the above mentioned phenomenon.

My boys lookin like straight up Yu Gi-Oh cards

Kind of dissappointed on Camel's joke take on the Sai Sahan quest in the Markarth ESO release, because that quest had some big new lore implications and Camel just sounded like he whiffed the whole quest as a random sidequest with hidden sex jokes. That quest basically revealed that Red Eagle of the Reach was a Sword Singer himself, although you end up finding his sword in Skyrim as a physical blade, and it was he who taught Rada al-Saran how to get his sword back after Rada lost the art himself. It is also implied that the whole Sword Singing art wasn't actually native to Yokuda, because Rada al-Saran himself was born in Yokuda and he sought out Red Eagle in the Reach for help after hearing rumors of him and his blade, so either Red Eagle must've learned Sword Singing by himself or somehow Yokudans had made contacts with the Reach before and taught him the stuff (which doesn't make too much sense given what is known of the Yokudans back then but it could totally be possible). The quest also further showed how Sword Singing could actually be interpreted in a literal sense, since Red Eagle had written down the sword summoning technique as song verses and by singing the song (or rather following what Red Eagle taught in the song) both Sai Sahan and Rada al-Saran were able to summon their spirit blades.

The image for the bottom tier, with the Morrowind dialogue text, is from the obscure 2006 Morrowind mod "Morrowland", which is a massive worldspace created by 2 modders, populated with celestial beings like God, Satan, bizarre dungeons with alien geometry, walled castles, and even towns. The text in the image is from the player's conversation with God.

“Ahh! My spirit sword is straight again!” -Some limp redguard, probably.

Elf Sightings is definitely just "Seen any elves? Hahahahaha!"

Anyone else feel slimy tentacles trying to fit stuff in their brains while watching this or is it just me

45:40 The Almelexia/Underking connection is pre ESO, and comes from the Arcturian Heresy: "The Dunmer are too strong now. Wulfharth goes underground to wait and strengthen and reform his body anew. Oddly enough, it is Almalexia who disturbs his rest, summoning the Underking to fight alongside the Tribunal against Ada'Soom Dir-Kamal, the Akaviri demon. Wulfharth disappears after Ada'Soom is defeated, and does not return for three hundred years." I was VERY upset when they changed it to the Skald King and/or the Greybeards summoning him in ESO, because I loved the idea of Almelexia somehow magically forcing him to fight for his (at the time) greatest enemies, who were using his Heart to be gods. I love how petty it shows Almalexia can be.

That bit about Reman hearing Pelinal totally reminded me of the DBZA episode where vegeta breaks his anger limit and yells throughout time on namek and trunks hears him in the future.

Scott PLEASE make 36 videos on the 36 lessons. We need it Lore Daddy Scott 😩

I like my lore deep, thick and gloopy.

Speaking of Pelinal shouting Reman, there's a possibility that as an elf-hater he just said "Light of Man" in the common language. And then centuries later people read that he yelled "Reman!" and associated it with the guy who's name it became. It's definitely a more boring option.

Where's the theory that Reman is actually Remus who got Isekai'd after Romulus killed him?

Drew is absolutely luminous in this video

Is this it? An end to my favorite morning pass time? i’m not sad, you are! great video 💖

This is all very interesting but Drew just casually speaking lyrics from "wake me up" slayed me

If we ever get an Elder Scrolls tv series, they better cast Brendan Frasier as Reman

Uriel VII's daughter is apparently Ariella Septim. She is only mention in the French version of the introduction of Arena as the heir to the throne. I found out about her randomly some time ago while browsing the wiki page on the Septim dynasty!

So what if, the "Deep ones" are not a Cthulhu reference, but are actually the remnants of the Sentient Draugh from the previous Kalpa, that somehow managed to pass over into the next one. Hiding deep under the ground and sea.

I love how the deeper the lore, the more Vivec seems to show up 😂

I really enjoy the subplot of Scott growing increasingly paranoid that the whole list is a scheme to entrap and make him suffer. Some PhD student is desperately hoping Scott doesn’t find the hidden microphones and compromise the experiment before it concludes.

Among the ancient ancestral spirits who accompanied Saint Veloth and the Chimer into the promised land of Morrowind, the four Daedra Lords, Camelacath, Mehrunes Drewgon, Michaelag Bal, and Scottogorath, are known as the Four Corners of the House of Troubles.

I have to say these podcasts breaking down this iceberg have been so entertaining and interesting to watch, even if (like all proper iceberg images) a lot were just memes, I enjoyed the in-depth explanations and theories!

You all probably won't read this. But I appreciate you guys doing this a lot. Oblivion was my first elder scrolls as well. It's really refreshing to know there are people out there who have as much love for this universe as I do. Hail sithis

I believe the "Elf Sightings" entry *might* be referring to an Oblivion loading screen (IIRC) that mentions Ayleid sightings in the forests of Cyrodiil. I remember reading that while playing and actually going looking for them...

I can't believe I followed you guys for so long and never knew how fabulous Camel looks.

Worn and weathered note is a meta meme from the developers because in Morrowind the whole world is basically an ocean and the note is written by an NPC who fell out of the world borders/under the textures into that ocean and his experience just floating there unable to return. Edit: not exactly confirmed by devs but an opinion of a Russian content maker with whom I agree on this, the dude just feel through the map and gone insane.

secret scroll vaults : There are three real Elder Scrolls, and they're kept in the vaults beneath White-Gold Tower. All other "Elder Scrolls" aren't real; they're copies of copies of copies of these three.

The 500 hundred companions were all ship captains; there weren't just 500 guys. It was 500 ship captains, and all of them had their own crew. I don't know why people think it was just 500 guys the guy that made Jorrvasker was one of the 500 companions named Jeek of the River, and it said he had a crew of 22 men but never said all of his men were considered Companions. I think people just take the legend at its word, but after learning about Jeek, I just assumed that the 500 were whatever the atmorian equivalent to lords and their retainers, so it was the 500 companions and all their men/crew.

Bah you guys are reading the old OId Iceberg, the new one from months ago which is curated by the deep ones from a daedric tabletop general imageboard got some neat stuff Like the Noxmer night elf text from deviantart that predicted the Snow elf Lore from Skyrim along with Noctural's lore in Skyrim too, and that text was from 2007

i think the worn and weathered note might be a dreugh describing his time on land during breeding season or whatever. his legs morphing back into a more aquatic form and him remembering breathing and warmth and his mate. mostly land specific stuff for dreughs

I relate so hard to Camel this whole video, just the look of "in-over-my-head" the whole time, lol

Hands down my favorite podcast

"OH Oh oh... we don't want to read this" Michael I love you oh my god

*The Eternal Champion looking sideways at this iceberg:* "Wait, its all Kirkbride!" *The Vault Dweller standing behind The Champion, holding a gun to the back of their head:* "Always has been."

To help with the awkwardness of the "Arnotelicon". Outside adding "E" to it, typing in "Elder Scrolls" reveals it has to do with another of Michael Kirkbride's writings. Simply put, Vivec says it in the writings. No idea it means, though.

Watching this from start to finish in one sitting has fried my brain. I feel as though I've just absorbed all of the knowledge in Hermaeus Mora's realm of Apocrypha.

I got a nice cup of coffee and I'm ready to enjoy the podcast

Rockcreek was a small town which, due to the random generation they used for towns, randomly had the way in blocked by a building, and because of the sheer number of towns it wasn't caught and shipped, so in the next game they wrote the book explaining that the town had been cursed by a witch. The wombat is to make it clear that this is not meant to try and fake like that was serious and real but instead nod to how silly it is that they borked that up. Ya'll need a Kirkbridian daedrologist, you should bring me in. I'm not the most well versed but I can definitely explain Kirkbridian metaphysics without breaking your head and I'm much more familiar with his stuff. It's my opinion that Kirkbride is sort-of having a long-form religious conversion out loud through his art, and Morrowind was basically always his love letter to Hinduism without him even realizing it. Part of the key to understanding what the hell he's ever talking about is knowing about the real-world mysticism and animism and spiritualism and religion he's drawing from. Like, they basically asked this hippie to convincingly explain god and he took this job seriously, and the process of writing his bit of Morrowind transformed him into a bit of a lunatic, which would be the proper word for it, since his madness definitely involves moons. But that isn't to say it's incomprehensible jibberish or otherwise invaluable. Not many people manage to create a rebel canon. His stuff may be over the top but at least it's not cliche trite like what Bethesda likes. If you give it the benefit of the doubt and learn how to parse it you'll find it laden with strange meanings worth considering. And if you invite me around you won't have to because I've done it for you. Already made it through those sanity checks.

(In Heimskr voice) I love... LOVE! Fudgemuppet Elder Scrolls videos!

1:33:30 I think the Hero of Kvatch = Pelinal theory more has to do with the similarities in both of those heroes stories. They are both champions to a would be emperor and go on crusades against an enemy, the Ayelids in Pelinals case and the daedra in HoK case. Then there is the direct connection with the HoK actually defeating Pelinal's acnient foe, Umaril the Unfeathered. And finally both heroes have a connection with "madness", The song of Pelinal vol. 6 describes Pelinals relationship to madness and the HoK goes to the Shivering Isles and becomes Sheogorath the embodiment of madness. So both figures seem to have a lot of parallels in their stories is what that theory is alluding too.

"The Hero of Kavach = Pelinal Whitestrake" I feel personally attacked, because this is what I've done recently on my playthroughs of Oblivion. Side quests and training, Pilgrimage quest, then go to Kavatch the first time and RP as a second coming of Pelinal to stop the Daedric Invasion.

Giving Manimarco her "first" could mean her firstborn child. 🥺

They back at it again with that elder scrolls lore

the pig: Chevalier Renald, a remnant of the Dragonguard and possibly a Tsaesci, was said to have supported Talos under the orders of a "pig." What that means is completely unknown, and MK doesn't elaborate on it when talking about this section (even going as far as to disavow the mention of a pig in the text). He does mention a pig "ever ready to speak" in the intro of the unreleased Shonni-etta, before going on to repeat several times that "that pig is never going to speak." What any of that means is anybody's guess, and it is unclear whether this is meant to be a literal pig, an epithet for an orc, some sort of metaphor or any combination thereof. The character of Chevalier Renald appears as an NPC in ESO, and there is still no mention of a pig in any of the player's interactions with him.

2:18:00 "Watch the sky" refers to the creepypasta "Jvk1166z.esp" about a haunted mod for Morrowind.

Mantellan portal in the Illiac, I actually know this one! There's a bug in Daggerfall where you can travel to the Mantella via a boat (can't find the source at the moment though)

Duuude, did i miss the Akatosh podcast? I swear this is like the third time Michael mentions it as a recorded one.

Hasphat Antabolis also is one of the judges in the Trial of Vivec

I'm 15 mins in and I'm already achieving Chim

If there are sea gods, they'd probably be worshipped by Maomer.

For "The Prisoner" what if the reason all the big heroes of Tamriel (Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch, Dragonborn etc) are prisoners is because Lorkhan is a prisoner in his own realm of Oblivion? Though now I think of it, you might've discussed that in a previous episode.

A Coda is a symbol indicating a jump to a secondary part of the song. So the first run through a section you'll use one ending, but then repeat it using a different ending. They're both part of the song, but they use different notes.

You guys are like the real life crew from Stranger Things.

I was expecting this podcast ending with an Redguard entering on the background and screaming "the tower walks!!!", follow by static...

Been binging theses podcasts throughout the week, very enjoyable ngl. Keep ‘em coming bois

I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS keep up the good work!!!

It would be awesome if once a year we could get a super podcast with Fudgemuppet, Camelworks, Zaric, ESO, and Imperial Knowledge all together to talk Elder Scrolls. I would actually pay for that.

I've lost track of where they are at in the list for most of the video.

I love how they all immediately looked up Orc pr0n simultaneously

Probably missed the boat on this, but the "Khajiit lactate memories" one is in reference to the book Ahzirr Trajijazaeri which says "The Imperials feel that everything must be written down for posterity, but every Khajiiti kitten born in Elsweyr knows his history, he drinks it in with his mother's milk." C'mon guys. That one's a gimme.

I like falling asleep to these

Scott’s laugh at 2:14:21 honestly made my day

Love the lore videos and it’s awesome having fudgemuppet and Camelworks working together brings the two best ESL channels into one perfect synergy.

Here from the latest Allinall video

I like how everyone is flagging, and then they see the light at the end of the tunnel and it just becomes a lightning round of "Anybody recognize it? No? Cool. NEXT!"

Thanks for your perseverance, and your reasonable attempts at the wackier bits. A good time was had by all.

You guys should do like a Elder Scrolls pub quiz

I love these videos. Great to listen to while I work. Thanks so much for making them!

hours of waiting just to hear you guys talk about the fargoth cycle

Bruh I was about to go to bed how could you?

And the statue in Bruma doesn't wear what you wore in battle it's actually random from your inventory. I had Mythic Dawn armor I didn't use and it was on the statue with a staff I also didn't use. It's also cool that it can be modded armor too.

I love that you guys tagged in camel!!!! I hope you guys do more work together on both your channels

Listening this while playing Fallout 4, using the new Psyker 2.0 mod just for that extra bit of weirdness.

2:15:50 A true gem. I love your friend, Drew.

Would love to see Camel more often in your episodes!

The Day of Shame should definitely be in TES 6 where every civilized NPC stays inside (except the guards)

House Redoran controls gravity. Gravity is one of their virtues, and when House Redoran grew powerful, gravity increased in power around Vvardenfell, which caused Baar Dau to fall. That's what House Redoran Gravity Control means.

Camel is bringing that Rohirrim energy and I love it!

WOOP WOOP, almost on time, I was travelling through Hew's Bane and got side-tracked, so my time capsule departed without me and I had to book another one. It turns out, it is hard enough to find mages who can operate a time capsule, it is nightmarish to find a mage from a different time period!

Love the vid. Re Talos and Dragonbreaks, think about it like saved games. I saved it here and tried a thing. Didn’t work. Reload and do opposite. Nice. First action now “didn’t happen”, but I remember as if it did. So we remember things that didn’t happen...technically. And if you ask me if I am male, female, elf, or human, then all of the above. My spirit (me as the King of Lore , or “Lore Khan”) is in each character I make. “Talos” (as a metaphotr gor the player in the same sense Lorkhan used to be) is the spirit that played a bunch of characters. So yes, a guy from Alcaire was Talos. Talos also played a guy from Atmora. Talos also played a mage named Zurin. I love this series, and even more bc ppl like Fudge Muppet and Camelworks make cool stuff like this. Thanks, guys.

On the argument of “The Gods are Imaginary” they don’t need worship to exist, what they need is belief. Belief and Worship are two different things, the Daedra don’t need to be worshipped to be believed, most daedra are feared and that fear, and acknowledgement is what gives them their strength.

1:32:30 The Catalyst is part of the Enantiomorph, it's the thing which provokes the conflict between the King and the Rebel.