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Fun fact about this episode, that first scene after the funeral when everyone is standing around socializing and things are all awkward. That was actually the very first scene they shot for the entire season because the actors and actresses didn’t really know each other that well yet and the show runners wanted to capture that awkwardness to make the scene feel more natural!
The making of this season sounds like it was just incredible. The fact they also had time to do full rehearsals of scenes long before full shooting is just amazing, you can see how detail-oriented rhe crafting of every part of these episodes was
I missed that too. Honestly the first time I watched the show, most of their names went in one ear and out the other, bc there's so many and they're all similar.
Vhagar was one of the three dragons utilized during Aegon's Conquest of Westeros Aegon rode Balerion the Black Dread Rhaenys rode Meraxes and Visenya rode Vhagar Rhaenyra's father also bonded with Balerion but only got to ride him once because the dragon was too old. Meraxes died in Dorne with Rhaenys, so that's why Vhagar is the largest living dragon at this point in time because it's the oldest living one.
Stop it.... Many people missed it when it aired..... Stop criticising them for every single thing they miss, not everyone is gonna react the way u want them to....
Vhagar is one of the surviving OGs. They talked about her in the Game of Thrones as well. She's Visenya Targaryen's Dragon (Wife of Aegon the Conqueror) and Conquered the Westeros along with Balerion and Meraxes. Arya talks about Visenya/Vhagar to Tywin - along with a Valyrian steel sword owned by Visenya as well - called "Dark Sister". That's Daemon's sword.
It’s not that Aemond can’t ‘ride a dragon’ it’s just that Vhagar is so big and this first flight was more of a ‘test’ to see if he’s worthy. Also btw, you cannot steal a dragon. Dragons aren’t cars and have their own will which means Laena’s kid (Rhaena) wouldn’t have gotten the dragon anyway if she didn’t like her. But it seemed like she liked Aemond so… here we are
Yes the dragon bonded with Aeomond, but Rhaena wasn't even given a chance to attempt and claim vhagar, it's literally the night of her mothers funeral. What Aemomd did wasn't illegal, but they're all supposed to be a family, it's about the principle, what he did wasn't fair and it shows that he doesn't care about or have any respect for his extended family. But he's like that because of his mother, in their eyes it's always them vs us because that's what Alicent has drilled into their head.
@@breburke7286 but again, Rhaena had time to claim her yet she didn’t. Vs Aemond who might not see Vhagar in a while again and took his chance. And if he’s disrespectful then aren’t Rhaenyra and Daemon even more so? For literally fucking on his ex wife’s funeral and getting married shortly after? Aemond does have respect and it’s not just Alicent who made him ‘lose’ some of it, it’s also the treatment he got from others. He goes to say his condolences to Rhaenyra’s kids earlier in the episode, but is only met with disgust. Plus how he used to be bullied by both them and Aegon. PLUS how Viserys never cared for them and cared (only a bit) more for Rhaenyra and her kids. This way, it isn’t hard for a child to see it as them vs us, now is it?
@@rhaelicentidk if he didnt care about them at all but maybe he just knows everyone is after his daughter so thats why hes very protective of her and may see her as his only child. also it is alicient turning them against their family. yes they teased him a bit (w his brother being the leader) but alicient is drilling it in their heads that the princess is gonna kill them. and u are making it up the they met him w disgust when he “tried” giving condolences.
I assume that Daemon's laughter was more to distract everyone from them staring at Rhaenyra's children, Vaemond Valaryon's speech was indirectly drawing on the fact that everyone knows that the boys are not really Laenor's. He was trying to protect Rhaenyra.
"Indirectly" is generous. The entire point of the speech was to point out that they are bastards. He could've made the speech about the child that his brother just lost, but he decided to use the captive audience for his own rise.
complete nonsense. Daеmon doesn't care about anyone but himself. He drank to his dead nephew, he fucked another woman while guarding his wife and child, in the book he fucked by Leina's corpse. Daеmon laughed at the Velaryons that they were all morons who had been insulted and couldn't do anything about it because of the idiot King Viserys.
@@MarkusR144 It's normal when a spoiled bitch gave birth to bastards and the harm that they are legitimate and are your nephews. After this bitch wants to steal the inheritance of your house. Your idiot brother doesn't mind. Here is a glorious house. Ancestors are proud. I would look at you. HYPOCIERS.
Rhaenyra's sons do have Velaryon blood through Rhaenyra. Aegon the Conqueror's mother was of House Velaryon, then his son Aenys married a Velaryon and had children with her, Aenys son Jahaerys was King before Viserys ascended the throne. House Velaryon and House Targaryen intermarried before they even came to Westeros so the Velaryon's and Targaryen's are related by blood anyway. Also Rhaenyra and Laenor are second cousins which makes Rhaenyra's sons 3rd cousins to Laenor so they are related to Laenor even though he's not their biological father.
And I mean--she's the one with Royal blood, moreso even than Laenor, so the fact that she conceived, carried and birthed them ought to be plenty enough.
@@blissinchains agreed and I actually feel like they shouldn't be called bastards because Laenor claimed the boys as his so he was their legal father even if he's not their biological father
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 I think it was part of their arrangement that if she took a lover and had children that he'd step up and acknowledge them as his. Why he couldn't contribute a donation of sperm even artificially, I'm still not sure. Maybe because the story would be less "interesting" if he'd done that, but it's easily something he could've done if he'd not been able to arouse himself enough to sleep with her.
@@blissinchains This is irrelevant, Robert never denied Edric Storm was his son, nor the girl in the Vale, but they were still bastards without a claim to the Throne. And even if Rhaenyra's bastards were legitimized, they have no claim to Dritmark as they are not Velaryon bastards.
It's hard to fully appreciate just how great the dagger scene is without putting into context the mirrored lives of the princess and the queen that has played out for the better part of the season. From mirroring the two contrasting fathers : "she'll obey as you command" vs "I want her to be happy", to the mirroring of the boar hunt vis a vis 'being trapped in the castle and churn out heirs' as Rhaenrya once said, to the mirroring of the depressing sex scene in the fourth episode. 'Forever upholding the kingdom, the family, the law...' it's a lifetime of suffering and being slighted boiling over in a climactic moment which is beautifully filmed and insanely well acted. This is peak television.
@@pnut3844able hopefully they'll will be able to reconsider some things to rectify the jon snow story. But as far as hotd goes im more interested in the idea of how the dagger gets passed down to aegon iii.
@@alexissimpson5819 Everyone did a great job, but this was clearly her moment. Just like everyone did a great job in episode 8, but it was clearly Paddy's moment. Blackcels stop being so insecure that you have to "well acksually" someone giving well deserved praise to an actor. The level of tribalism brainrot this show has brought out is unbelievable.
This was one of the best scenes of the year. You know how good an actor Olivia is when you look at the range of emotions she brings in her face without saying a word during that scene where she's giving the servant girl the moon tea next ep.
Aegon, Aemond and Helaena are Rhaenyra's step siblings and Daemon's nephews and niece lol. This made them Jace, Luke and Joffrey's uncles and aunt. Baela and Rhaena are Aegon, Aemond and Helaena's cousins. Targaryen are confusing AF lol.
I saw it coming. Anyone with half a brain did. Daemon tells the dudes boyfriend to kill him for one, and for another he said there needed to be a lot of witnesses. People need to use logic, most just don't have it.
Viserys literally gave no f that his sons eye was literally taken he was more concerned about Rhaenyra children were called bastards which he knows 100% is true Rhaenyra literally demanded Aemond to be "sharply questioned " in ASOIAF means tortured she wanted a kid to be tortured over an insult " over an insult ?! My son has lost an eye " Alicent had every right to snap she literally saw her father own words demonstrated infront of her that night That her children would be cast aside easily in favor of Rhaenyra Her sons face was disfigured he was yelled at and not even given an apology and she is been called the villain 🙄
if alicent wasn’t a jealous self righteous gross human being, she wouldn’t have kept wanting to make her r*pist son the king and would’ve married halaena to jace and GIVE aemond a dragon egg just like rhaenyra proposed, then all of that could’ve been avoided. alicent sliced the princess’ arm and got no punishment whatsoever. rhaenyras children were also threatened that they would die just like their father did. if alicents reaction was valid then so was rhaenyras and viserys.
The only appropriate thing would be for Alicent and Criston to be hanged or worse for murdering in royal presence and for injuring a the future queen. :') But Viserys shouldn't have married again anyway, seeing as how his daughter throws boys more often than not when she has kids anyway. Go suck an egg, bitch.
@@mmemori Alicent is no saint but she no villain like you badly want her to be if she has been she would literally agree with the council to send assassins and be rid of any potential challenge or war after Aegons coronation why she should marry her daughter to a bastard ? Why she should close an eye of the princess wrong doings facing no consequences of her actions ? By the law of the seven kingdoms that's even bigger than viserys her son the first male of the king is the legitimate heir (a birthright is a birthright nothing to do with him being an awful human being) Why should she accept a bastard fathered without a legal marriage to take her sons legitimate right ?
@@chaimae3652 because it would’ve prevented any chance of war in which she knew her children would be involved in. it has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a bastard, she’s just greedy and will take any chance to punish rhaneyra. legitimate or not viserys named HER heir and that’s the way it should’ve been. aegon is a r^pist and a drunk that has bastards of his own and you think challenging rhaenyras claim is the right thing to do?
Aegon has Sunfyre, Helaena has Dreamfyre, Jace (Rhaenyra's oldest son) has Vermax, Lucerys has Arrax, Baela (Daemon and Laena's older daughter) has Moondancer, Raena (his younger daughter), in the books her first dragon egg hatched but the hatchling was unhealthy and died within hours...not sure if they kept that in the show where it's implied her egg just didn't hatch at all. She eventually 'does' get a dragon. And now Aemond has Vhagar (who is a she btw). Viserys and Alicent also have a third son at this point who hasn't appeared, Daeron.
@@BabarKhan-hz2nx he is an important character and will definitely feature in the next season, but was cut from S1 probably because of time and budget restraints.
It's funny how everyone spots the similarities between Alicent and Cersei but they fail to see any similarities between Rhaenyra and Cersei and from my perspective, there are a lot. They both sleep around, have bastard sons, mess with the line of succession, commit high treason, and have no regard for the laws and the customs of their society cause they feel the power that comes from belonging to the current most powerful family in Westeros. Lying, cheating, gas lighting, incest, entitlement... are at the core of both characters' arc and is the source of their troubles too.
@@lugmediaclub1645 So, you're saying that the actions we take have nothing to do with our personality? I do see some of Cercei in Alicent but I aslo do see a lot of her in Rhaenyra too. Alicent might come across as resentful sometimes and she's been used by her father for political purposes, thigs she has in common with Cersei. But Rhaenyra does come across as entitled and she does think that she's above all law and tradition just because she's a Targeryan.
@@kated.4626 The intentions. People hated Cersei becauee of her spiteful nature, her enabling of Joffrey and her lying to her husband. Rhaenyra did none of this, and her personalty is not the same. Alicent's personality is similar and she enables bad behaviour in her children.
@@lugmediaclub1645 Rhaenyra might have not lied to her husband but she lies to everyone else. The entire realm to be excact. Even Lenor's "death" is a lie that only benefits them. By extent even her marriage to Daemon isn't valid. That's a lot of lying in my books. As for Alicent enabling her children's bad behaviour I haven't seen that. She was really disappointed with Aegon and we see the advice that he gives him on how to deal with a certain issue in next episodes, Helena is a really nice child and Aemond as much as some people hate him has done nothing wrong. He's been dutiful, trains and studies hard. Plus, the way Alicent's children are might have something to do with total neglection by their father. The same applies to Joffrey too. Mothers aren't the only ones to be held accountable for the behaviour of a child.
@@kated.4626lol, and again people won't hate her for lying to the realm. They hated Cersie for lying to her husband. Most people don't like the values the realm holds, so why would they hate Rhaenyra for lying to the realm. Alicent's personality is hateful, like Cersei. That's why people will compare her to Cersei.
Idk about you but if my son’s eye got cut out and his father didn’t give a shit about it instead focused on yelling in his face about a rumor that everyone knows to be true I’d lose it too.
That “where is duty, where is sacrifice” scene…Olivia Cooke doing some Dinklage level lifting there. All the agony & passion in the world as Alicent does her best McBeth in front of the fire with the dagger reflecting in Rhaenyra's eyes! “We Know Father. Everyone Knows”.That’s Aegon’s “the Prince will remember that little Lord” moment. Aemond taming Vhagar & holding his own in a 1v4 makes him the real chad in my eyes. Only wholesome moment, our Prince resting his head on his mom’s shoulder to let her know she can depend on him. Last but not least, GOATTO Hightower with the coldest win or you die reference, “we play an ugly game”...and I’m the meme of Homer Simpson decked out in green onsies, sitting on green cushions, wearing a Hightower snapback, holding a Go Greens flag with a Alicent poster on the wall😂. Meanwhile checking in on Blacks: “What is honor compared to a woman’s uncle”-Maester Aemon 😳
@@slayerr3086 He wasn't laughing 'cuz he found it funny, he laughed as in "look at this MoFo! The audacity of him, can't believe this D? Imma gonna be F him up good" kind of way.
They call them the greens because that is the houses colour, that's why her wearing the green dress was a declaration of war in the other episode, and Damon killed a servant just before the fight and that was the body in the fire.
"Rewatching" this with y'all has really made me appreciate this season even more... in hindsight, a lot of it makes sense, but watching y'all work through and noticing things I didnt the first time around again makes me appreciate it so much more!
@@Cream-2128 -- It had a ton of good things but they changed some things for no (good) reasons at all, such as Sara Hess' decision with Rhaenys in episode 9.
@@ro4eva I mean even adding Alicent to the small council was just for no reason. Also it was Alicent trying to marry her kids to Rhaenyras not the other way around.
@@CDexie it impacts the plot in a huge way seeing as her kids were promised to Daemons already which Alicent took as a slight. It just made Rhaenyra look real weak and also forced this Alicent in power crap.
The body in the fire was the first guard that Daemon killed. He quickly snapped his neck before the second guard came in to be the witness to the fight between Laenor and Qarl. Sad about that. I wished they had gotten a body from the morgue or someone already dead.
This was one of the best scenes of the year. You know how good an actor Olivia is when you look at the range of emotions she brings in her face without saying a word during that scene where she's giving the servant girl the moon tea next ep.
I dont het hate for Alicent...she is one of my favourite characters in the show definitely over Rhaneyra...certainly she is put under a antagonist light in the show but if you look at her actions, she is kinda in the right...she is loyal, faithful and kind of a good queen...and Otto didnt lie when he said the realm will revolt if a woman ascends the Iron Throne and Rhaneyra will kill her and her sons..so from Alicent's POV she is doing everything she can to survive, all the while seeing Rhaneyra flaunt her privilege over the kingdom...she didnt take marraige seriously when she was young, then ended up marrying Laenor only in name only...fucked Criston, and Daemon(in her mind) and then had bastard kids of Lord Strong which in her faith's eyes is a big no-no and now she seeming killed her husband to marry Daemon. and no matter what she does because of her father all her mistakes are forgiven when she knows the same would have her(Alicent) killed ..you can see how Alicent views Rhaneyra as deceitful and untrustworthy and Rhaneyra has been making mistakes and bad choices from the beginning...as much as i love Rhaneyra i am kinda on Alicent's side even though everyone else on her side is fucking manipulative liars
Daemon laughed at the funeral because the speech was a thinly veiled attack on the impurity of Rhaenyra's bastard sons and people were noticing do Daemon took the attention away from her. You can see him noticing whats happening and responding to it.
@@hokagedlo6133 Just so happened this funeral was surrounded by the king and the velaryons. All of whom can understand the taunting. Same for Rhaenyra, and allicent's kids.
You're smart to be more worried about Aemond than about Aegon. He is a lot more focused and serious. You're also correct that Viserys is the literal glue holding that family together.
Dragons don't automatically go to the daughter or son. Targaryens usually obtain dragon's respect and obedience as they put an egg in their cradle and grow up with them. They grow with them but half of them never hatch. If yours don't the only way for you to get one is to gain the respect of an already existing one most likely roaming around freely. That's why Rhagar is that big, dragons get bigger the longer they are free and untamed. I believe since she is quite a bit old she isn't really about that roaming life anymore and was maybe resting close to her former rider's home. So Aemond technically gained her respect fair and square. He was a bit smug and rude but that's how anyone would be gaining the oldest and biggest dragon.
Guys did you remeber what Haelena said in the previous episode regarding Aemond having to close an eye whilst Alicent was PROMISING him he’d have a dragon one day!! Did you guys catch/remember that when Aemond rolled up in that same scene after nearly getting roasted by the dragon he tried to claim in the pit that when Alicent questioned him on what he’d done/where he’d been, Haelyna simply says “He did it again.” Girl knew exactly what he’d done not just cause he’s attempted it before but because she SAW IT. She is a little different, for sure, (I actually headcanon her to be on the spectrum somewhere, potentially autistic, and at the very least neurodivergent) but also v misunderstood. We do not have official confirmation but many have guessed as it is HEAVILY implied that Haelena on top of being a dragon rider herself (her dragon is DREAMFYRE, and is the same dragon Aemond TRIED to claim in the pits in case you didn’t know) is a dragon dreamer/has the gift of prophecy/foresight. Even in this episode listen to what she is actually saying… there is a lot to unpack given how the episode plays out and where things are going. Highly reccomend going forward that you pay some serious attention to EVERYTHING she says and does cause I won’t spoil it but-- it’s ALWAYS significant even if it maybe doesn’t make sense in the moment of. Seriously very cool character and very inspired direction to take her character with what precious little we were given about her in the books. One of the most top notch divisions on the direction/writers part!!
the reason why Daemon was laughing isn't because he was being a dick or weird it was because Vaemond Velaryon was basically talking shit about Rhaenyras kids, if you watch back when he was speaking in Valyrian. They also call them the "greens' because House Hightowers colors are Green while Targaryen is black and red. The fight is always Greens vs Blacks
aemond taming the legendary vhagar that saw combat with aegon the conqueror himself....at 10 years old. the child is bound for some insane things. you know where his coin has landed.
i actually understand alicent here cuz imagine her anxiety for years after being told by her father that rhaenyra would eventually kill her kids and this happens. just imagine your child losing an eye.
So in books Targaryens has something like Dragon rage it due to their blood connection to dragons probably and when they really angry they can get some super strength or sometimes even spontaneously for example in books Jon is being harassed by Alliser Thorne when he got angry he lift him by throat from ground until his feet were not touching ground He would have throttled him if the Eastwatch men had not pulled him off. In this episode we see Aemond do the same with Lucerys he grab him by throat and kicked others from him .
Guys, Vhagar (Laena's dragon) is the oldest and the largest living dragon at this point, also she is the last of the three og dragons from Aegon's conquest. His older sister-wife Visenia rode Vhagar during that time. (Aegon rode Balerion and his second sister-wife Rhaenys rode Meraxes but both of those dragons are gone now). So Vhagar is a pretty big deal in this show 😉🔥
It’s not only Alicent’s fault her kids turned out the way they did. Viserys literally never cared for them and neglected them and she’s a child bride who was marital raped. She probably at first saw them more as brothers and sisters than kids. And in my opinion Alicent snapping is only logical because what just transpired only proves Otto’s words; that Rhaenyra may really kill her children to secure her right to the throne. (Rhaenyra ordered Aemond to be ‘sharply questioned’ which in other words means torture + how Viserys did nothing to improve anything at all)
I wish the show did more to bring notice to the term 'sharply questioned', Alicent requesting an eye for an eye is no better or worse than rhaenrya wanting her younger brother tortured, but the writer bias makes Alicent 'the villain' in this scene when she's really the victim
Last episode when Allicent told him about the pig incident, Viserys responded: "Are you sure it wasn't our Aegon who was behind this?" He knows their son better than her, clearly he did care for their kids.
@@Knicknox exactly! Of course wanting a literal eye for an eye is in no way right or should be done, but in that situation it’s only logical she ended up snapping. In the end we see that the eye was not actually something she wanted too (when Larys asks), just her emotions acting up after her son was maimed. Yet, in that scene, we’re shown as if she’s she villain for feeling these emotions because of what happened to her son… Alicent isn’t perfect of course, but neither is Rhaenyra and I’m sick of people acting like she’s an angel who never did any wrong or sth
The reason Daemon laughed was because of Vaemond’s slight against Rhaenyra and her children. Basically saying the Velaryon blood will always run true unlike theirs. I missed it on the first watch as well
Yes, you caught that Aegon and Helaena are betrothed. This seems very hypocritical of Alicent, since she was throwing shade at Rhaenyra in the earlier episode when she said, “You Targaryens do have queer customs.” And it seems that you have picked up on the dispositions of Alicent’s sons very well. I think others have already mentioned that Daemon’s laugh during the funeral service was because Vaemond was insinuating that Rhaenyra‘s children were not true Velaryons. So his giggle was due to the appropriateness of what Vaemond was saying and to pull the focus away from Rhaenyra. And the dead man in the fire was the servant they showed Daemon killing just moments before the duel between Laenor and his lover.
AND Aemond call her Aegon’s future Queen which means she was grooming them for rule for a very long time. Which contradicts her reaction in episode 9. Maybe it’s a writing mishap
@@marleymarsss She has been grooming Aegon all along. Her reaction in episode 9 isn't a contradiction, though. Both can be true because of what happens in episode 8 (think back to Alicent's toast).
@@krayzy932 ahh I see, that is true. For me it’s still kinda funny that she’s shocked after all those years of grooming that it would stop a week before the King’s death lol
@@marleymarsss I don’t think it was a writer’s error. I think you are right that it is additional evidence that Alicent, and maybe even others, have been pushing the idea that Aegon would eventually become the king in the kid’s heads for a long time.
@@blackeyedlily i think Aegon is just desperate for affection too so when he sees the people rejoice and call him king he just 'this is actually good i think'.
in the last episode after aegon and rhaenyra children gave aemond the pig, he goes crying to alicent who was with her daughter halaena, while aemond was complaning halaena says that he will eventually have one but at the cost of an eye.
You are aware that Rhaenyra is the heir to the throne and that’s why her children are to inherit after her… right? But I agree, Alicent should not be compared to Cersei since the show turned her into an inconsistent character that would be eaten by Cersei right away.
@@daurydavis3983 tbh overall yeah but at the same time her son lost an eye because of some insults. Any parent would loose their shit in such a situation.
This is one of the best shows i ever witnessed and Andor is right there as the best star wars show right next to Mando!!! Everyone deserves an oscar in this show especially Paddy!! 🙌
People tend to forget they are all kids that need to be watched. Aemond got his dragon and then got ambushed, now they’re all fighting and throwing insults. He did have a right to claim it tho. Aemond has 100% of duty mentality yes. It’s why he won’t take the throne since it’s not his place. Why he would marry who he’s told. Although he totally deserves it more than his bro, he’s a second son and a soldier
I can't believe this is an unpopular opinion in the fandom but If it was Rhaenyra's son who lost an eye she would've done the exact same shit as Alicent, ask for an eye, except Viserys would've allowed it to happen because Daddy's Little Princess gets what she wants 💀. Had Viserys shown one ounce of compassion, things prolly wouldn't gone so far as to eye for an eye. Instead they all pretended Aemond didn't even exist and decided to gaslight tf out of a child losing an eye into a show trial for Harwin's bastards. Which made Alicent lose it. Imagine your husband not giving af while your child is sitting there with his eye hanging out of his socket.
Nothing will ever be funnier to me than people wanting Daemon to be the hand. The only reason this whole show is a thing is because the small council didn’t want Daemon to become a ruler and therefore named Rhaenyra heir. If he’s not fit to be a ruler he is most definitely not fit to be hand.
I know it's been every episode now that they've been wishing for Daemon to become hand. I just don't get how anyone would think this would be a good idea. Lord Corlys would be a better choice
Guess who decided to make much of the episode too dark to see? Yeah the same guy who did it in the long night. Alot of those dark scenes were filmed during the day but were artificially darkened.
This was so intense!! This was one of them ones. I remember so much debate on which side was right and which side was wrong when the episode first dropped. That's how you know it hits the mark when they can create so much ethical dilemma.
you guys gotta pay a bit more attention, Daemon laughs at the monologue in which Vaemond sais something like "our blood is pure, our blood must not thin" , while Rhaenyras children are not of Velaryon blood
Which is funny because that Qarl/Laenor swordfight really is fake as hell. In set up and everything. Hence only the little page as witness. But everybody is busy going 'Noooooo' at that point and doesn't really pay attention to what is on screen or the dialog overlay that also pretty much spills the plot if you really listen to it.
A lot of Rhaenyra haters on here, and the same rabid Aemond apologists with their same comments. Alicent is that “good girl” that goes postal when she doesn’t get her way, it’s that dangerous psychopath hiding behind the pious daddy’s girl demeanor that makes her 100x more dangerous.
Daemon has always loved Rhaenyra and Rhaenyra has always loved and wanted Daemon. This episode provided that to openly come to light and their beach and wedding scene were inevitable. Team Daemyra all the way.
Daemon does love Rhaenyra but I think he truly loved Laena more. One of the reasons he wanted to marry Rhaenyra is just so he can technically be the heir to the Iron Throne through her and he her Prince Consort once she ascends since he’s always wanted to be his brother’s heir. So he gained something he wanted from that marriage and he knew it. It wasn’t just for love. But for Laena, he only married her because he wanted to, with no political reasons. She was never going to inherit the rich lands in Driftmark and she didn’t have much to give to him. He gained nothing in his second marriage. So I think Daemon genuinely loved Laena more than Rhaenyra since he somewhat married the latter for power.
@@garlantyrell6368 He loved her Laena more in the book. In the show, he loves Rhaenyra more. Laena clearly states that he settled for her and she wasn’t his first choice in episode 6.
You’re totally able to have your opinion on that but I would have to heavily disagree with you. His reply to Rhaenyra of “we were happy enough” isn’t close to an admission of “I loved her.” In fact, many would argue (similar to their reaction and countless others to this episode) it was an actual admission that Daemon wasn’t in love with Laena at all, (hence why these reactors were like “hmm, maybe he just liked her”). And pointing out the fact Laena even acknowledged to Daemon in 1x06 that she knew she was never the wife he imagined for himself and she had made her peace with it. And the showrunners have already confirmed Daemon was never after the Iron Throne, as many have been able to interpret by the end of the show. He craves power, yes, but ultimately he was after Rhaenyra’s heart and his brother’s love and strengthening their family. He was in love with Rhaenyra from the pilot, his feelings realized by the end of 1x04, his torment without Rhaenyra acknowledged even by Laena in 1x06 with his lack of desire to go home since he couldn’t be with Rhaenyra, (also reiterating his lack of desire for the throne), his love for Rhaenyra even after 10 years apart acknowledged by 1x07 and consummated on the same day as Laena’s funeral to which he responds when Rhaenyra tells him she’s sorry for his loss with “Don’t be.” He may have liked or even if you want to believe “loved” Laena, but he was never *in love* with Laena, which is the biggest difference between Daemon and Laena’s relationship and Daemon and Rhaenyra’s relationship.
@@garlantyrell6368 Also if you watch the behind the scenes of the making of the Daemon and Rhaenyra wedding in 1x07 they even discuss and I quote, “That love in that wedding is a *real love,* it’s not for show.” So no, it wasn’t for Daemon’s political purposes to be the heir to the Iron Throne through Rhaenyra by being her Prince Consort and having children with her. They were truly in love with each other and he proceeds to crown her as Queen and devote his life to upholding that by serving Rhaenyra, not the other way around.
Listen I get feeling bad for Alicent and all that but the whole time she trying to take Luke's eye I'm just thinking girl you married the right one cause any other king would have had your head for the blatant disrespect you showed Viserys and his chosen heir.
I still don’t like them having her sit at the council the episode before. Rhaenyra as the heir makes sense but Alicent made no sense at all being there.
@@Cream-2128 I feel between this episode and last one I assumed Alicent just bullied Viserys into letting her in the council. He's so anti confrontation he probably just let her.
@@erwilson25 yea which would make no sense at all. He may not like confrontation but he has put multiple people in their place when they overstep from daemon, Rhaenyra, Otto and Corlys.
Yes the king and rany had a deal about Otto. But since then rany had 3 bastard childs making Otto to had been right all along. I think thats why he can come back.
Vhagar is the last of the dragon trio that helped Aegon and his sisters conquer Westeros over a century ago. SHE is beyond 150 years old and is the largest in the world. Vhagar is an ancient curmudgeon; the writers compared her to an old cat.
So we just gonna forget that child who got his eye popped out like a champagne cork is Viserys' own son too?! He’s a Prince too?! Viserys is gonna execute his wife for wanting justice for his own son?! Huh?? What kinda weak King does nothing while his own seed gets his eye poked out by a couple of bas-terds? He was more worried bout protecting Rhaenyra’s illegitimacy than his son. Ppl really acting like if some kids did that to your 10yr old in the sandbox ya'll just gonna be like "oh word? Kenny's the middle child. So no biggie.” A mother’s rage, while unhinged, is totally understandable. The king shoulda handed out a more reasonable punishment before it even got to eye for an eye. But he was gonna do nothing due to his gross favoritism for his daughter, which justifiably infuriated Alicent. The king is spineless.
Totally understand Allicent. She didn’t actually want Luke’s eye, she wanted some form of caring from Viserys about his own son. (The guy literally wanted to talk about his grandsons being called bastards while his son sits there without an eye lol) The rage was more towards the fact about how Rhaenyra does a lot that ain’t worthy of an heir and yet is the favorite, while Alicent can also do so but chooses not to, and still isn’t respected or loved. She regretted it too. It wasn’t a good thing to do but I totally can’t blame her for wanting to stand up to the constant BS
Bad take. All of Rhaenyras "mistakes" are things that male heirs would be celebrated for. She's not respected or loved either. Because she's also a woman. The only thing she has over Alicent is the balls to do what she wants despite her gender and how its supposed to tie her down.
wow you two miss so much. Like why Daemon laughed (listen to what is said just before he laughs you both were talking over it) then you missed just a minute later that Viserys called Alicent ---> emma when he said "I am tired I am going to bed emma" etc... many more things you missed lol
Aemond lost his eye but he gained a dragon like he always wanted. Helaena did say last episode that in order for him to have a dragon, he would have to close an eye and now he has a dragon but one eye.