This is my and your opinion on Pantheon. 

Average lfg experience: Random guy: "I'm ad clearing" *dies to ads*

OUR opinion, has arrived

Datto doing Pantheon no hands on keyboard... he really is the goat

I'm convinced Datto is in reality every Sol Divisive mind combined and we are part of his Sol Divisive, it is just that our orders (opinions) takes time to arrive

As a dad who can only play 4 picoseconds a week thank you Datto for the guides. Maybe I can do a pantheon run with some people

7:59 what the hell is that threadling doing lmao

YEEEEESSSSS I WAS WORRIED I’D HAVE TO USE MY BRAIN

Yo my opinion on Pantheon dropped. LETS GO

Thank god I finally have my thoughts.

9:00 our raid team adopted a level 1 guardian rank from the tower and forced him to raid a kings fall with us that night (ab four months ago now). we took him through pantheon and his ass didn't grab a raid exotic and he got golf balls instead😭

I think in your description of the audience of raids you’re missing out on a large middle group there, you describe it as either hardcore raid grinders with all the loot or first timers In reality probably a lot of people in shoes like mine, who have dabbled in almost every raid over the last 10 years, tried a few content raids, but once each expansion comes out and you clear it a few times just taper off and stop playing, then you come back again next year, I’ve got single digit clears on a lot of raids. Pantheon has been great, both from a challenge perspective for catching up with all the mechanics I haven’t done in ages but also showering me with loot for weapons I never grinded for. I always loved the raid experience, the chaos and coordination of this 6 man activity you can never get in any other game, but just didn’t grind them much (except a few)

Datto talking about the Riven cheese and casually dropped it's a 5 year old raid at this point and on god my soul left my body.

Brief Brim cameo 17:18. I love your dog, he's an absolute joy.

I just genuinely love how we love datto to death so much so that we really dont want to have an opinion of our own much less care about it , like what ever datto says is our opinion AND THATS IT ITS NONE NEGOTIABLE and i love it

Coming from a long time subscriber/viewer of your channel, watching your growth as a person, a youtuber, and Destiny player has been a pleasure. Your view on the Raid Exotics being easily obtainable really struck a cord with me and made me appreciative of you as a content creator and voice in the community.

Is this the sunset of Elitist Datto? Nah, he jumped in at the end, we're good

so called free thinkers when Datto uploads OUR opinion

i agree with everything except for the platinum timer reset, for one main reason: LFGs. if the platinum time didn’t reset, LFG groups would fall apart a lot quicker. Part of the issue lies in patience & time. A friend-group being forced to reset the raid doesn’t cause much friction, but in an LFG group, it can make some people deeply frustrated. Some players simply just don’t have a lot of time every time they get on Destiny (ex: “I have an hour to complete this”), meaning that a forced reset of the raid would equate to that time-limited player getting off. And as I’m sure y’all know, once one person leaves the fireteam, more often follow behind them. When you play with your friend group, it’s a hell of a lot easier to say “ah, let’s try that again” because there is a mutual understanding of patience & group expectations.

Genuinely had a good time in this with the boys, plus a couple nice randoms. Big W getting adepts we’ve never had

Thank you for letting me know what my opinion of this is

Babe wake up new d2 opinion just dropped

Clearing the Riven encounter legit back in the day was probably the most adrenaline filled, mentally rewarding event I can possibly imagine for Destiny.

As someone with previous raid experience but the last raid I did was Garden of Salvation this experience was interesting for me and also provided 2 far different experiences. First experience I had was with a friend and an in game LFG team in which it took us 2.5 hours to reach the final encounter and everyone went their separate ways. Whereas the second group I got in with my friend we completed the pantheon in 40 minutes lmao.

something forgotten about the class modifier is that it also boost resistence,so if it stays for the next updates,properly keeping it stacked up and running will be important even outside of dps phases

Thank you for preaching about legit riven I genuinely hope that Bungo fixes the cheese so people can experience that encounter

The more people that get to enjoy raid weapons the better, esp since they're still doing a raid to earn them

Pantheon looks like the perfect type of mode where experienced or dedicated players can get their returning player friends through some raiding and get them some gear. A proper place to mix the experienced with the not experienced. Feels like a perfect addition to the Into The Light content drop. Hopefully Pantheon is cool enough for people to see Bungie do something like this annually. For a theoretical Pantheon 2.0 I would already welcome it if they used Vaulted Raid encounters exclusivly with some loot in them provided they aren't already returned. A Leviathan themed raid gauntlet could be fun! Riven situation...I see no way around avoiding Health Gating her unless Bungie comes up with something really creative. Cheese or no cheese, we've seen the many different ways people figured out how to solo 1 phase her, may it be with Stasis Titans or Sunbracers Warlocks just throwing grenades at the ceiling, its insane damage output people can bring with barely any setup.

My frustration came from the ammount of people in lfg that couldnt do the base mechanic let alone the little bit of extra stuff thrown in and cnstantly out damaging eveyone else on my team by anywhere from 50% to 200% more damage it just got frustrating. I will say even though we took 2 hoirs we did platnum everything and get a score of over 3 million so i already have 4 of the 10 triumphs for the title done.

My experience about LFGs trying pantheon: - I had someone during golgoroth's part of pantheon that didn't asked at any time for help, when we said if he needed help he said he was fine and he said understood the mechanic, and then started to watch a D1 king's fall guide during a break time bc he didn't know how to do it (we could hear the video through his mic, but he thought we couldn't). What was he doing wrong? He didn't even went down to the pool to damage, and did 0 damage (and he asked: "what happened, am I bugged?", we were like: "were you inside the pool?", and he said: "yes, of course"), the only time he did damage was bc we told him so many times to just follow the team and DPS with the group, but we wiped, bc he didn't know about the unstable light mechanic. - We managed to get to planets, and nothing more, why? 5 hours of suffering, bc they didn't have enough DPS tools (they didn't even have edge transit, which is very easy to farm right now), so we decided to use rockets bc it was the only thing that could carry the damage. Uhm, it didn't worked, I was the gjally guy bc at this point I was very sure they didn't even know how to gjally, and that was funny, bc I was outDPSing them with gjally, for some reason. They couldn't shoot straight or something, I don't know. -Bonus: One of them was DPSing golgoroth with thunderlord and he was like "Why there's no one using divinity?".

Per the exotics being "given away:" At this point, not having them means rng has been screwing you or you don't get to raid that often. And even ignoring that, it's not like this is a 3 person activity or something. You still have to raid and the encounters are made a little more difficult. Having guaranteed raid exotic drops seems perfectly fair to me. Bungo have been making new ones have guaranteed ways to acquire them anyway like the quest for necro. This might not be the way many would prefer to get drop protection but at least it's a way. The worst part about it is just the fomo really.

the best thing i found is the solar hunter w knife trick and 2 fragments, the class charge after scorch and after buffing allies, i single handedly kept it at x3 for every encounter that the next team i went w had such a harder time when i didnt use it, made it feel a 1600 raid but w extra steps

Thank god I finally have my thoughts

As someone with autism, the mode looks super fun but not being able to run raids because im non-verbal really hurt the destiny experience for me. In d1 i could consistently solo crota and two mqn vault of glass. Some of my best memories

5:27 Bless you

Loved the tornado change in planets. As much as I wanna see core mechanics changed in the raid, "minor" stuff like the tornadoes still change how you navigate the encounter enough to be noticeable. Hopefully we see more of that stuff in the later encounters. I'd also love to see more changes like these in the master difficulties

datto what are you using on that subjunctive for the shader my friend crafted the same roll and he needs the shader bad thanks. your opinion is the best.

I reckon people complaining about the raid exotic handout are the same people who couldn't get the exotic emote and ghost from levi and SoS back in the day

Tormentors are the new champions. Literally getting tossed into everything.

Fireteam finder was tough the first few hours. GR 11, double digit clears of pretty much every raid, and I was either finding dead lobbies or getting rejected. After two or three groups, found a really good one and we stayed together for 3 hours. Seemed better on day two. I have most the loot, but still missing some exotics. It will be nice to get those two.

Idk why but my favorite part of the video was the sneeze 😂

Thank God I don’t have to think for myself

Did 6 lfg groups. Over 20 hours of trying every one of them fell apart for one reason or another. Guess it’s just another raid related thing I’m never gunna do

We had a tormentor meander over during the final stand of Atraks. It ended up pushing one of the other replications into the one we were trying to actually damage, which caused us to wipe because of the splash damage hitting the wrong one. We were unlucky enough to get the same exact Atraks replication on final stand 3 straight times with the tormentor too, so it kept happening. Our solution was to primary that replication down so that we could burst a different one. It probably could've been avoided it we were confident in our ability to do enough damage on one floor, but we decided not to do that.

Dread it, run from it, the opinion arrives all the same.

Fully agreed on plat timing. I was so confused when we didn't have to go to orbit on a wipe

2:35 during my first run, I lost my voice, and couldn’t speak, and one of my teammates knew that his back opens up again 10 seconds before time is up, so they just counted for me

Bless you, Datto

The emblems alone being in a hard activity make me want to participate.

We aren't giving out loot. I think the players that complete the pantheon are worthy of obtaining these toys. I agree that this will promote teamwork and comprehension of how raids work mechanically. Once you learn how it works, it because a blast and you can roleplay "lore accurate raiding" but you gotta get past the fear of introduction. These rewards are great incentives to the new players and a breathe of gratitude for the old players that have not gotten "that exotic" in a raid. I hope to get my friend into destiny, just so he can use 1k voices. He stopped sometime after Forsaken - life, , burnout, ect. I'm going to try sherpa'ing him with my clan. Sounds nice I miss my bro :)

So let me get this straight, they create a game mode for people to gauntlet raid bosses, that awards random loot from raids, and an exotic at the end of the gauntlet. BUT.... It is in this sort of contest mode that just gets harder and harder every week. So only really accessible to experienced raiders. Yeah i can see this game mode dying of quickly as it gets into the -15 light. Only the 1% of the player base is going to participate.

I just loved that I had fun doing ad clear. I felt like I actually wanted to be there with the density and extra enemies. Really glad that they want to make every roll fun and that I can have fun in here without having to do mechanics

8:45 as someone who took 60 clears of DSC for eyes of tomorrow, I’m glad they’ve added this because if you’re able to clear pantheon you’ve done the raids enough to deserve it.

14:44 I tend to disagree, I think the Pantheon is actually the best place to have new raiders go to learn specific encounters in a consolidated environment and get familiar with raiding without having to worry about all of the puzzle stuff in between encounters. If LFG's don't want to teach, then don't invite people to the lobby who don't know what they're doing. I've never done a raid before in my entire life, I joined an LFG and met insanely cool people who were incredibly patient with all 3 of us who were new and did great breaking the encounters down before going in. Raid mechanics also aren't terribly difficult to understand, it's just hard to execute on. Sure, it took us 4 ish hours to clear the last two encounters, but it was genuinely the most fun I've ever had playing Destiny having never experienced raids before and gave me that sense of achievement.

Datto, pretty sure they said somewhere that they were changing Rivens model, which was kind of an indirect way of saying they’re preventing tickling her toes. So riven will have to be done Legit (thank god).

Thanks for putting my own personal opinion out their datto always quick on the draw.

I feel like Pantheon could easily become the PVE/Raiders version of a Trials week. Like, imagine if they combined elements of The Coil and Pantheon together, that'd be dope af

OUR opinion

Phew, thanks Datto! I didn't know how elitist I should be, but now I finally know how much to shittalk casuals!

I like that in pantheon we got SOMETHING aside from regular "turn the damage and HP of enemies up to eleven". Usually I detest this approach. Just tuning enemies' stats is the cheapest difficulty change known to humanity. So I wish we could get more of these actual mechanical changes in the future, it is lot better then "throw a bunch of oneshoting champs on the field" we usually get in these activities.

Pantheon is a nice refresher, but oh my god it’s an LFG nightmare. i can’t even imagine what it’s going to play like during contest mode. That being said I had a 6 hour sherpa LMAO. it was very gratifying though to finally finish it

This is MY* opinion on pantheon

So if only 11% of all D2 players complete only 1 raid ever. I suspect less than 3% will complete this and less than 10% will attempt it. Pantheon will 100% NOT get people into raiding.

Explicator really used his Pyrogale build against us

It took my very casual team under 6 hours to clear pantheon, between vaguely remembering fights, teaching someone who was raiding for the first time in 6 years, remembering how to do Parasite strat, etc.

I've done Riven legit a few times, including in the first couple weeks when you couldn't just one phase. I agree that it is a great encounter design. The mechanics are really cool. That being said, I am primarily an LFG radier, and I don't want to spend hours trying to clear Riven, so I hope the "cheese" stays intact. FYI, there is no cheese, okay. Cheese is an elitist mindset set out to make you have a harder time at getting your loot. Work smart. Do not work hard. Path of least resistance is all that matters, remember that. There is no cheese. You either get it done or you don’t.

Alas, my opinion is here

This is a cool concept but I wish that it didn't go away when the final shape starts hopefully they do more raid remixes in the future

I believe after week 1 we will be able to choose the normal version (up to) the highest once released. Like choosing to do a normal nightfall instead of master or grand master. I don't think they'd force people to play the increasing difficulty version if they dont want to

Almost had an independent thought Datto, thanks pop

I was having to formulate my own thoughts and my brain started to hurt. Thank god for Datto so I can have an opinion and maintain my dirt brain!

Shoutout to the Brim cameo.

What I like a ton about platinum being tied to a run of the boss with disregard of wipes is that it doesn't punish people who would really like to get platinum but are also still learning. It makes the loot accessible and the mode interesting to people who aren't profficient with the encounters yet and I think that's a good thing.

Speaking on the ornaments thing, this could’ve been a great opportunity to bring back the old VoG and KF Age of Triumph Ornaments

How do you feel about the nightfall scoring? Seems like there may be an attention split between focusing the boss and picking up more kills, which could lead to time bonus issues or not enough ads for a platinum score.

Yours is a good, very well trained team. Got 2 lfgs today of 1,5 hr +, but a well put together group should be able to clear easy.

I was happy to see more adds at caretaker with ammo becoming a concern

Holy F...the title is pure Elitist Datto and I am here for it! 🤣

I finally know how to feel about it thank you Datto

Happy that he's fully embracing giving us our opinion. I, like many others needed this.

Our clan took 2 hours to complete our first run getting stuck on planets but that was some of the most fun I've ever had in destiny

I've done like 2 raids ever and don't have a group to do this with, but thank goodness I have an opinion on this now!

This thing is an lfg nightmare. It’s fairly simple with a good team of friends or clanmates. It’s an assortment of lfg killer encounters

I will say, I Was able to finish off a couple of red borders from this activity, so I'm pleased with the loot tbh, not to mention the adepts from the triumph claiming and adepts you just get during clears

The armour dropping with an extra perk slot is nice too

I think having the platinum timer reset on death is pretty good, these timers are gonna be much tighter as the tiers go on

re: the Exotics. If you can learn and kill four (slightly tougher) bosses, I think you should be able to get a Raid Exotic. Four encounters is a standard Raid, and it's all bosses no puzzles. A regular Joe still needs to learn and perform all these rolls, and that's either slightly more tough (boosted mechanics + no learning from previous phases) if you've never done it before, or exactly the same if you're a big time Raider, in which case you've either got the Exotic already, or you're 60 clears in and ready to pull your hair out by its roots.

15:09 "why shouldn't I just step into the fire tornado??"

Interesting that you mentioned people gatekeeping the exotic weapons, that was one of the few things I had not seen in all of the online discussion. I can somewhat sympathize with wanting to tie Raid Exotics to mastery of the Raid, rather than a collection of random encounters between multiple Raids. But then again, Raid Exotics with rare exception have only been tied to at best RNG, at worst mastery of the final encounter of the Raid. I distinctly remember getting Vex Mythoclast on my 50th clear of Atheon with several full completions between that, and likewise for the Hierarchy of Needs from Spire of the Watcher. On the other hand, I only had to run Riven once (not even the full Raid) to get One Thousand Voices. If Bungie refuses to give RNG protection for these Exotics so people aren't running the Raid for months or even years on end to try and get the Exotic, giving away a handful of these Exotics should be the bare minimum. I am personally not a heavy raider, and having a chance to get even one of these "pinnacle" Exotic trophies is admittedly enticing to me, and it is nice to hear you acknowledge this as a way to get new people into raiding. I am very torn however on what Pantheon is supposed to be here: I have heard many people say that this is supposed to be a reward for the endgame players who need or want a challenge, and that casuals need not apply. If Bungie does not allow us to select the difficulty as the weeks go on, I don't think it can fill this niche as well as the niche of getting newer people into raids. The increasing difficulty is already a high bar for new players to clear on the first week, I can't imagine it could ever fulfill this role with a handicap of 20 Power.

Okay so I wanna ask something. Say I am unable to do the plat scores on path of Atraks. Can I do it next week or is the is week the only time to do so

that fire tornado melted me the first time i saw it. I didnt even know what it was so fast did I die

on Atraks you don’t even need to kill the tormentor at all lol, you can just go down to basement, do what you need to do, and get out, and he’s still chilling at the pods, you just need to get by him without dying when going up

Did my first clear last night. Was very happy to finally get Touch. I have close to 50 clears of Kings Fall (good majority are oryx cp’s) and it still hasn’t dropped. While I’m glad I got the exotic from the new activity, it wasn’t nearly as exciting as having it drop from the end of the raid.

I love the added enemies in Golgoroth I love the modifiers. Especially the class ability one I do not like the added tormentors Btw you can beat Atraks without any tornentors even spawning I thought the fire tornado was funny more than anything Some loot is rewarding but not all. If you need high stat armor, farm golgoroth. If you need spoils, farm golgoroth Overall its a nice activity for raid lovers Great for people with bad RNG :) Thanks for reading

thank you datto i can now voice our opinion to my friends

Thank you dattoo for thinking for me

50 clears of king's fall and no touch of malice, i'm glad i finally got that out of the way with this

Is there more concrete info on the DIvine Weaponry quest? I only want Conditional Finality

Yeah those tornados are pretty insane If one appears on the plate it does a lap on the perimeter of it to throw you off

timer tip for people getting gaze for golgoroth, when golgoroth opens his back you have APPROXIMATELY 10 seconds to grab the gaze. I use this in case I have teammates who have trouble keeping their eye on the timer

Wait, do you get adept weapons as rewards? Or do you only get adept weapons if you've previously acquired them in the past