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Not every bargain gun I buy is a winner, some don't work, and some are awful to shoot, but this one is a WINNER.
It's a Classic Doubles Model 201 from the Holts Sealed Bid Sale, you may have seen it in the recent cheap vs expensive with Ed Solomons, and it's fast become one of my favourites.
The big question - do i leave this HOLTS bargain as it is, or drag it into 2022?!
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@chrisraine7468
@chrisraine7468 Год назад
I appreciate that this man can talk and sell shotguns that are over 10K but also isn't a snob and and will shoot cheap guns. It should be about fun not always price
@andybannon7680
@andybannon7680 Год назад
Ok my vote keep at as is and save the money for the next sleeper at Holts!
@tomo-um7kj
@tomo-um7kj Год назад
Hey I was the other lucky guy, I bought the 20bore version that was in the same Holts auction. As a massive Winchester fan I couldn’t resist it. It’s brilliant, I’ve more guns than fingers and toes but I keep reaching for this one. It’s even won a sxs comp with me behind it so it must be good!
@wymple09
@wymple09 Год назад
The nicest gun I ever came across as a sleeper jewel was a side by side .410 from an outfit called F.I.E. from Brazil. Modified & full, I could not get over how tight & well made it was. The wood was gorgeous.
@jackspringer3039
@jackspringer3039 Год назад
I had a couple .F.I.E. .410s I think the same gun is sold under tthe Stoeger brand - good inexpensive
@terencegamble4548
@terencegamble4548 Год назад
Another interesting video. I have had a Winchester 101 with 26 inch barrels with IMP and MOD chokes that I bought for shooting Skeet a long time ago. I have used it for driven pheasants and partridges, duck, rough shooting and pigeon shooting. It is not great on long crossing targets, but what the heck, it's original and fun. My advice is to leave your gun as it is and enjoy it for what it is.
@revdocjim2002
@revdocjim2002 Год назад
That gun was made not too far from my house. A little over an hour or so. All that's left now is the Nikko Tochigi Gun Range, which is one of my "go to" ranges.
@smokerjim
@smokerjim Год назад
Ant's glee and joy was a sight I did not expect to see, or know we needed!
@freedomman06
@freedomman06 Год назад
Its not special or collectable enough to be left original... but it definitely is well built and shoots well enough to warrant being turned into something truly unique! Look forward to it :)
@parrisgeorge9708
@parrisgeorge9708 Год назад
Thanks for the video. It looks like it borrowed elements from several good designs. What I see most in it is Winchester model 21. Take a look at several photos of 21 barrels, frames, stock/forend shapes, lockup, vent rib, and such. The black metal piece in the barrels where it slots into the frame is a positive barrel stop if I'm not mistaken. Probably the 21 models you would want to see photos of would be the vent rib Trap models versus the solid rib guns. I have 2 21's and the stock finish on each one is different. I have one that was built on the eve of WW-2 that has the standard Winchester gloss finish of the day. My other one has an oil finish. Both are very nice but the oil finish fits with the gun better I think. One of the neat things about the 21 is that it was made to be rebuilt by replacing worn out parts with oversize factory parts. There are if I remember correctly 4 sizes of joint roll, and 2 or 3 sizes of locking bolt.
@jimmarcham6271
@jimmarcham6271 Год назад
Do it ! A 30mm butt pad & super extended chokes - all reversible. An oil finish on the stock is always good. What a strange hybrid of ideas - so glad it shoots ! How about a follow up video once you've made some changes ?? Maybe TGS gun Mk.II .... 😲 !??
@garandm1d
@garandm1d Год назад
I used to do a lot of duck hunting over decoys. Convention would suggest a long barreled gun. On a whim, I started favoring 26" over & unders, or a 26" Remington 1100. Plenty of heft, but a bit quicker on the unexpected bird that sneaks up on you. Don't underestimate 26" tubes. Great review, great video.
@nigelmchugh5541
@nigelmchugh5541 Год назад
Great find, should last a life time. In relation to the original makers going broke, it must be hard to stay afloat in a home market where it's extraordinarily difficult yo own a shotgun....
@NickGoldsmith776
@NickGoldsmith776 Год назад
This is a absolutely wonderful gun Thankyou for sharing it with us 👏👏
@mattparsley2043
@mattparsley2043 Год назад
I picked up a Miroku from 1975 for £91 yesterday from Holts, yeah it needs a bit of work but I bloody love it.
@teamflanneloutdoors5631
@teamflanneloutdoors5631 Год назад
To me the reaction of your 6 friends who shot it says it all. It would be a crime to modify the gun IMO. Although to me, as an American, changing out chokes would not ruin the aesthetics. Thanks for sharing, really enjoy the channel.
@BenBowen89
@BenBowen89 Год назад
Slogan “ Have you been a Holts winner? … I have!” 🎉😂 I bought a Revo Matrix deluxe for £104 back in December since then, I’ve had my first pintail and wigeon with it, praise be to Holts 🙌🍻
@annrobinson4951
@annrobinson4951 Год назад
Hi Johnny, a good buy. We can remember classic doubles - just!! We think you should invest time and money in it and restore it to its former glory!! A bargain - well done 👍👍 Malc and Ann Lincolnshire xxx
@dandetmer9210
@dandetmer9210 Год назад
When your young and got muscles u can carry a heavy gun and never give it a thought. BUT As u get older weight becomes a major issue of walking hunting like quail and pheasant. Duck and dove usually not much walking. I started carrying a light 20 vs a heavy 12 and my hits went up for pheasant.
@scottjones8036
@scottjones8036 Год назад
Fun video. I have owned a few Classic Doubles O/U and they are a great guns. My only complaint with the 201 is the 26” barrels. You are correct whit your statement about the screw in chokes. There were not many made. Most had fixed chokes. You are a tall guy. My opinion would be trick it out to suit your shooting needs. You don’t have much money in it and they are fun to shoot. 👍 Regards
@peterbalac1915
@peterbalac1915 Год назад
Had a model 23 couldn't hit a barn door with it although I loved it, had various Winchester 101's in 12 gauge never shot as well since selling them bought into the 32" Miroku mk38 another iconic gun. Really regret giving the 101's away you live and learn.
@Phuc_Yhou
@Phuc_Yhou Год назад
Keep it as it is but keep letting people try it to show that sometimes the over bias towards o/u means missing out on some cheap but cheerful little gems.
@TaralgaBushAdventure
@TaralgaBushAdventure Год назад
Yep, give it a touch up and a good tidy. that fore-end also reminds me of my miroku
@2Bob_Rocket
@2Bob_Rocket Год назад
Thanks
@tompuckett9937
@tompuckett9937 Год назад
This is one great looking shotgun!!!! The lines and contours reminds me of an XKE!!!!
@doncarter1427
@doncarter1427 Год назад
I have always loved a side by side more than any other gun but waited most of my life to own one! That being said I finally bought a cheap American double, to which I admired the more I looked at it! I bought a CZ Bobwhite for a hunt and liked it immensely, but kind of longed for a 16 bore; I came across an old Savage Fox 16 bore and fell head over heals! No it’s not an original Fox and no it’s not an expensive gun, but I got it at a steal, and it suits me! I know the deal with over under’s but I swear I’d rather miss with a SXS than shoot an O/U, there is nothing classier, or more appealing to me than a classic SXS!
@Puppy_Puppington
@Puppy_Puppington Год назад
Sooooo true. Same lol
@davidgendron1953
@davidgendron1953 Год назад
It shoots well, it looks good, make it fit you, add on longer chokes and use it as much as you can to see if it is still a good gun to you! Chokes can be removed, stock extension could be removed…. Oil finish would be great! I know I would!!
@samwalker7567
@samwalker7567 Год назад
Normally I hate a SxS with a pistol grip, a wide forend, or a raised rib. This has all three and yet I find it strangely appealing. A testament to the builders!
@scoutgolf5282
@scoutgolf5282 Год назад
I like the stocks with grip caps, looks nice, and that guns is pretty neat, has a very American style to it, Hope you enjoy it!
@mikeproctor3664
@mikeproctor3664 Год назад
I always heard the plant was closed and tore down for the Japanese to build a golf course. Seems in the 80's the Japanese developed quite a fondness for the sport. Anyway, Classic Doubles made some nice guns, there is a following of people who collect them. A few months ago on Guns International there was a 16 gauge Model 201 listed. It had been a prototype. The most famous of the CD's was the sporter. Back in the 80's sporting clays was just getting started. After they closed and sometime in the 90's, a company here in the US started making a copy of the sporter. It was Connecticut Valley Classics, I was one who bought one of the early models. Shot it for a quite a while. What happened here in the US was in the early 90's a group called the Vintagers started a trend of dressing up in the English tradition and shooting English side by sides. That took off big time and for at least 15 to 20 years people were buying everything English. And yes JC at big prices. But alas now all those guys that could afford these guns are getting old and have sold off all their English Best guns. The new generation does not care for a Purdey or Boss. ( Sporting Clays trivia, the first SC National was in Texas and the guy who won it was shooting a Browning Hump Back auto
@johngeorge2081
@johngeorge2081 Год назад
You may be the only Japanese gun manufacturing expert out there, and I love the videos. Can you tell me if the Nikko 2200 Olympic skeet that I bought my wife has 101 internals? I can't find anyone local that can tell me.
@fullchoke01
@fullchoke01 Год назад
Kodensha plant never made a bad gun, sister to winchester 23 design with some extra flair and design changes, lovely old girl, would have loved to be able to visit the plant, this is why i love Miroku the most today, they still use highest quality gun makers and tradition, even regulate barrels by eye
@martinsatchell
@martinsatchell Год назад
That gun is gorgeous! A freshen up and some extended chokes for the win
@jimandmarypowell9783
@jimandmarypowell9783 Год назад
Recalling your piece on the Baikal SB and its value in other countries. You picked a winner! I did see a Cogswell and Harrison, similar, with raised rib and beavertail forend, at auction many years ago. Your gun is different but has 'charm'.
@james-wb1jr
@james-wb1jr Год назад
Lovely gun
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon Год назад
I certainly do not need another gun, but I, too, would have bought that in a heartbeat. Good move!
@johnnunn8688
@johnnunn8688 Год назад
From the title/description, I thought it was going to burst a barrel but you weren’t injured.
@philiprichards8526
@philiprichards8526 Год назад
Looks like a Model 21 Winchester.
@ddoherty5956
@ddoherty5956 Год назад
Did the wife give you a slap when she found out Jonny? 🤣 Nice gun👍
@steveparsons6324
@steveparsons6324 10 месяцев назад
I love these shotguns. A bit heavy, but very well made.
@davidcaul7836
@davidcaul7836 Год назад
Invest the money do the modifications and bring it shooting partridge and do a video of it be great to see love the videos
@martinhambleton5076
@martinhambleton5076 Год назад
Nice! Fausti do a very similar looking gun to that, but it is a dedicated side by side trap gun. If my memory serves me well, I think it's called an X4? But I can't swear to that. I was over there in 2017 and did manage to resist temptation. Very nice Johnny! Just looked it's not the x4.
@funkla65
@funkla65 Год назад
That was a steal. Over here, $300 may get you a Baikal, a Stoeger, or perhaps an old Stevens with a hinge pin, a wedge into the barrel extension, and zero bites underneath. Our old "working man's" doubles aren't very sophisticated in design.
@richarddixon7276
@richarddixon7276 Год назад
Personally , I'd just leave it alone , any changes You make might just spoil it , basically the old saying " If it ain't broke don't fix it !" applies , Thanks for showing . Shoot Straight Stray Safe & Stay Well.
@robinbeavan5152
@robinbeavan5152 Год назад
Strip of the lacquer and oil up the stock you.ll have a peach aswell.
@Scooter-dm3qo
@Scooter-dm3qo Год назад
Next time you visit the USA Make sure to try out a CZ USA Sharp Tail Target. It's a Side by Side 12 gauge fitted out so that it shoots like a Beretta 686. This means the stock has a modern comb height and a pistol grip quite similar to that on a 686 Sporting. Note, it's an extractor gun but that is not a problem for me because I load my own shells. As for Specs, raised Target Rib with a mid bead , 30 inch multi choke barrels, select able single trigger and a color case hardened action. Also noteworthy on my ex salesman's sample the wood is quite pretty not EELL grade but definitely a EL grade stock. Also worth noting is that CZ insists on top quality from their Turkish suppliers so the quality is a match for Yildiz or Beretta.
@agoogleaccount2861
@agoogleaccount2861 Год назад
What an interesting gun. Ever tried some of the American doubles ? Springfield Stevens 311 is a nice boxlock action gun especially in 16 ga
@markosaric3760
@markosaric3760 Год назад
Looking at the gun as it is and the story it has ... A piece that is somewhat different, decent quality, from a gunmaker that does not exist, with it's own different style ... I would for sure keep it as it is. An original testament of product of its own time as good or as bad as it is. Do not pimp it up like a boy racer does his car ...
@johnwilkes7190
@johnwilkes7190 Год назад
I can see the appeal, (but I even like Churchill XXV as walked up guns ) given that most people now like 30-inch barrels did you really notice much difference having 4 less inch (that sounds wrong). If you ever get hold of a Churchill or the AyA copy it would be great to hear your review of what must be the most unfashionable shotgun configuration these days.
@peterlavelle567
@peterlavelle567 Год назад
He already did! 😉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FD1y6WC7kUI.html
@johnwilkes7190
@johnwilkes7190 Год назад
@@peterlavelle567 yes but he didn't shoot it or talk about how the raised rib, short barrels in theory came about and how it works in practice .
@peterlavelle567
@peterlavelle567 Год назад
@@johnwilkes7190 true, sorry forgot that part as it’s been a while since I watched! It was a particular favourite of mine as I end up picking up a sidelock AYA XXV in 20 ga.
@johnwilkes7190
@johnwilkes7190 Год назад
no worries I have the AyA xxv sidelock in 12 bore a 20 would be a very nice thing to have
@fransoosthuizen2151
@fransoosthuizen2151 Год назад
Must say Parker was the first name that came to mind when I saw s/s
@timokervinen9951
@timokervinen9951 Год назад
Refinish the stock and do a whole new rust bluing. Would be awesome!
@chucksgmgarage1116
@chucksgmgarage1116 Год назад
I need one of those in my cabinet balance out my Winchester Supreme 12 ga 3"
@tomvogt5988
@tomvogt5988 Год назад
It looks closer to a 21. That's why they added the zero in the middle.
@arnoldfoote1925
@arnoldfoote1925 Год назад
be great for American Skeet, would Love to borrow it sometime lol, leave it once you change it its gone forever!
@kenorrah8072
@kenorrah8072 Год назад
Get the long/heavy chokes , refurbish the wood , alter the Stock dimensions to suit you . Go to sleep every night happy .
@vcrudelejr
@vcrudelejr Год назад
Jonny, wouldn't this be a fine gun for a pigeon shoot over a grain field? To my American eye and thought, this is a hunting gun....Take it to the field and drop some birds over the decoys for us.
@twinpotracer
@twinpotracer Год назад
Haven't seen it, haven't used it... But, I love raised ribs on sXs. I bought a couple of like that, just love them.
@gnarshread
@gnarshread Год назад
It would be lovely if the wood was refinished. The lack of engraving is kind of cool and modern.
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 Год назад
Redo the stock and add chokes. Make it how you like it. After all the point of a gun is to use it, and you will use it more if it fits you.
@charleskittler4330
@charleskittler4330 Год назад
John the shotgun whisper 😳🙈
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 Год назад
Nice gun... worth a bit of a tidy up I'd say.....
@thescottishfarrier
@thescottishfarrier Год назад
I smell a new mini series coming on
@mungusaurus
@mungusaurus Год назад
The US market for older shotguns is 10X the UK market. Its insane.
@micheallangdon7673
@micheallangdon7673 Год назад
Owned one persistent trouble with injector mechanism far to delicate.
@mattyninge1
@mattyninge1 Год назад
Through fear of sounding stupid… but how do I access the sealed bid catalogue? Or is there not one? I can view the lists for March but there’s no link to a catalogue under the sealed bid details.
@olejustesen5319
@olejustesen5319 Год назад
Thought they were made by Marochhi in Italy
@Lethal_Intent
@Lethal_Intent Год назад
Later years they were. But after winchester they stayed in Japan like Nikko Parker Hale Etc
@FeralTuckerFella
@FeralTuckerFella Год назад
Bling it up!
@mdp4656
@mdp4656 Год назад
Between the Ruger Red Label and now the Classic Doubles you've found some awesome deals that were staples in the American wing shooting a couple decades ago. For the record if you ever find Winchester 23 available buy it, they are a fantastic "modern" side by side that are very well built. You got that gun for a great price and you seem attached, I'd say spend some time on a light refurb to get it exactly how you like.
@jonpettet7085
@jonpettet7085 Год назад
Great find but I'd leave it as is.
@jackspringer3039
@jackspringer3039 Год назад
Johnny you suffer from the same ailment I do: "G.A.S." (Gun Aquisition Syndrome)
@m444ss
@m444ss Год назад
So three months later....what was the decision. Sounded to me like you didn't plan to actually shoot it much, so why spend more money on it? I wouldn't put money into it 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 I expected to (a) actually shoot it at least reasonably frequently, (b) upgrading to sell, or (c) want it to look better as a piece of decor
@mattralphwright
@mattralphwright Год назад
Got yourself a Toyota… they last forever!
@vkygaming5655
@vkygaming5655 Год назад
Wonderful✨😍 gun love it
@bruceyeoward6544
@bruceyeoward6544 Год назад
Shows s/s aren't dead just need to be modernized, maybe a UK maker could follow suit and make a sporting clays s/s gun?
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 Год назад
Eight pounds is too heavy for hunting? Nonsense, that's how much a 12-gauge should weigh, if you want a lighter gun you should go to a sub-gauge like a 16 or 20. Then again I'm dragging a 10-pound 10 gauge around most of the time, so that's my bias...
@RustySprocket
@RustySprocket Год назад
Garbage
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 Год назад
I agree!
@michelt4390
@michelt4390 Год назад
Too heavy? Probably not... but for 26" SxS, that's a lot of weight
@vadenk4433
@vadenk4433 Год назад
A 26 inch 12 gauge should weigh about 6 3/4 pounds. 8 pounds is way too heavy for an upland gun. Walking 7 miles through coattails in WI her would wear you out.
@RustySprocket
@RustySprocket Год назад
@@vadenk4433 I walk about 10 miles a day on average, at about 7-10k ft elevation. 6.75lbs is too heavy. My 12ga is the only hunting shotgun I own over 6lbs. It's just a fuzz over 6lbs.
@jakobchristensen2845
@jakobchristensen2845 Год назад
You have converted Ant 🤣🤣
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors Год назад
Ant and Ed!
@ironmikehallowween
@ironmikehallowween Год назад
That’s a nice shotgun. I would like one.
@nickbitten9910
@nickbitten9910 Год назад
Interesting video.
@karlsailor
@karlsailor Год назад
Change it!
@cyrillynch907
@cyrillynch907 Год назад
Invest time and money in it great video
@royjennison3916
@royjennison3916 Год назад
great vid , i love it . dont modifie it , just make it nice
@raybishop3176
@raybishop3176 Год назад
Walk up hunting for pheasants in the states, that gun would be perfect. Leave it alone, quick question, wouldn't that be a Prince of Wales Grip?
@mattyallen3396
@mattyallen3396 Год назад
Wheres that 303?
@gregorywillis2447
@gregorywillis2447 Год назад
Leave it alone and just shoot it, I'm a Parker fan.
@dhiadhibi8872
@dhiadhibi8872 Год назад
it is italian shotgun?
@MinimumSpeedOperator
@MinimumSpeedOperator Год назад
Invest in it!
@JHruby
@JHruby Год назад
The raised rib (on a sxs) decidedly does NOT appeal to this American anyway. This gun reminds me of the early Japanese sports cars that borrowed styling elements willy-nilly from other makes and then put them all on one car.
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors Год назад
The Datsun 240z is a fine looking thing!
@enzo-wd9vp
@enzo-wd9vp Год назад
Hi tgs
@jameswilson6717
@jameswilson6717 Год назад
Give you £320 for it 😂😂😂All the very best 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@phileaton8671
@phileaton8671 Год назад
Definitely work on it! Pistol grip SbS for clays is always great fun eg. Rizzini BR550
@johnsoncozier2152
@johnsoncozier2152 Год назад
Original is all ways best 👍
@union310
@union310 Год назад
Give you a fiver and a bar of Kendal mint cake for it?
@michaelirons5662
@michaelirons5662 Год назад
LEAVE THE TERMINATOR ALONE MT.
@tomsear1
@tomsear1 Год назад
Yabai!(やばい)
@chocol8thunda
@chocol8thunda Год назад
Pistol grip? Wtf?
@martincotter6370
@martincotter6370 Год назад
Did you bid blind? Surely one of your Holts colleagues could give the guns a once over for you if you can’t make a viewing day. 😮
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors Год назад
There was a ‘is it complete junk?’ Question posed to SR
@martincotter6370
@martincotter6370 Год назад
That makes sense. I am a Holts fan living in Suffolk. A quick phone call is a wise move before a trip👍👍
@timothyrogers7584
@timothyrogers7584 Год назад
Leave it original!!!
@ddoherty5956
@ddoherty5956 Год назад
Cheap to charming?
@mrfancypanzer549
@mrfancypanzer549 Год назад
The clickbait title is kind of disappointing.
@stephengunrunnerhanson3550
@stephengunrunnerhanson3550 Год назад
And do you think that's heavy try a baikal 26in multi choke sbs you have no idea on weight then shoot a 38inch sbs multi choke mag proof 3 inch chamber I had a AYA 28 inch sbs 3inch chamber no1 and ejector every one said its to heavy but I like heavy was at a very nice shoot just for a joke I took my baikal sbs and I was on the line and I only shoot high birds and this gun walked past you will not hit any thing with that and chuckled to him self and . Then he said I will stand be hind you to get the ones you missed shot high birds and all the birds let go were slightly low and at the end of the drive, turned and said did you get them I left you no he did not, so feeling happy the next drive I said I will swap guns and I said I will as back gun and I will get the ones you miss even with my gun he could hit nothing. End of the drive did you get any no to high, I got all the ones you missed ,walking back to the gun trailer the keeper , winked at me you been having fun again Stephen yes. No body was my back gun again just goes. To prove a good shot can shoot any shoot gun and have a good day a poor shot could have the best shot gun and hit nothing, but I helped get better a day at the clays just to get the idea swing and pull the trigger but keep swinging.
@jonhalas2306
@jonhalas2306 Год назад
Your illness requires attention immediately,.... just do the upgrades. They'll be a temporary cure.
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors Год назад
😂
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