This is sad. 

Hi emc!FHNSAB!

???

@@gothard5 For holy name shall always be

FHNSAB

RIP Cadets

YES!!!

Especially the vocal break!

That would be epic, maybe a lot with only emcs being techs and emcs playing

Pardon my ignorance but what does FHNSAB mean?

Never mind 💀

Pretty much...

I dont think the lawsuit even involved him

@@matthewegeler You would be correct

Except Nickelodeon didn't collapse and end

@@matthewegeler this is called a comparison…

I sure hope he's proud of himself now...

Lee! Is it time for the return? The legos are ready! #7 #loudisgood

@@tonyt913 Genkus

​@@tonyt913The Cadet name can no longer be used.

@JPDrums1990it’s because of the legal issues caused by George Hopkins being a sexual predator.

@JPDrums1990 that’s not why they folded.

@@brianjungen4059it’s part of it, but yeah there’s a much bigger issue

@JPDrums1990 the truth is that they folded over the lawsuit, not over the cost to run a corps

​@tapisbadatgames Yes and No The majority of Corps folded due to Financial Reasons. The budget to run these modern Drum Corps are astronomical where this law suit pushed it to an area of no recovery. Most likely the hardest decision it's board had to make Devastating Really!

The first DCI show I ever watched in my first year of matching band

​@@terrance7300 DITTO, but 2nd for me!

I can bet on all that is holy no corps wil lEVER attempt a costly, intricate, demanding drill setup of that type ever again.. two sets of uniforms, and manpower hours to design, teach, practice, and execute the drill, while offsetting the colored uniforms? NOPE one of a kind, never to be seen again.. I got to see it live in Salt Lake in 2011....for my firsts DCI show in nearly 30 years.

I am from Erie as well and it was exciting to hear a world class corps was going to be housed in our town. I can only wonder if they had taken 2023 off to work on their finances, perhaps they could have weathered the storm.

@@joesensor4508 it’s because of lawsuits, not DCI touring.

imagine being Allentown - first abandoned by the Crossmen, then by the Cadets... I blame Billy Joel.

Boston crusaders pay 8000

bluecoats paid 5900 last year and they're prob the most stable organization. I know them, boston and blue stars are actually 6k now

$5500 in 2022 and $5750 in 2023. Don't recall it being at the top but it was most definitely up there.

I love you

Definitely my favorite show of all time.

I think that was my only time seeing them IRL. That whole last section was pretty creative and the crowd loved it.

One of the corniest shows of all time but...a real guilty pleasure, I must admit. I would rather get caught 🍌ing than watching Cadets 2000.

@@paulblichmann2791 Corny? Disney? Nahhhhhhh

It wasn't hopkins, it was someone else. But you're right

@@insertchannelnamehere632 They might have been able to handle this situation if they weren't still dealing with the last one. They had some good shows but the organization was never the same.

All because of some false allegations by some women who wanted money. Sad

@@drummersnare6276 What makes you think it's false? It's not a stretch to think Hopkins was apart of something larger or that others have been abused. DCI is lucky it's just one corps with how many creeps end up teaching.

@@Surelockohms Because most of the time it is false and they just want free money. Also the man is innocent until proven guilty, you can’t default to it being true and then have to prove that its false

Back in the bad old days some staff would take advantage of students due to their power over them. DCI has now recognized the problem and there is much more oversight of the individual corps staff and marching members, and policies are in place to address the problems. Unfortunately it doesn't change the past.

There is a higher-quality version. If I find it, I'll post the link.

2000 was fire across the board. 💪

In no way am I condoning what happened back then, but filing for bankruptcy wouldn't have happened if New Jersey hadn't passed a law in 2019 extending the statute of limitations and providing a two-year window for civil actions and past abuse claims.

I tried out for Spirit the year you guys did the Brian Setzer show. I ended up backing out but I finally marched Boston in 2002. I actually loved going to the camps at JSU. One of my students years later attended JSU for a semester, and she really enjoyed the experience. There was this one cymbal guy, I wish I could remember his name. He was legit. Good memories.

@@JustinBerke yeah it was. Devs tho I was surprised by them it didn't look right seeing battery playing on Dynasty's instead of Yamaha. I think I remember some kind of drama going on from within

​@@josiahkrammes2185Yeah I hear you. One thing I do kinda worry from all of this is the possibility of some people out there victim blaming. I wasn't aware of the statute being extended and that brings up if someone out there that's angry about this and throw a tantrum and get all spiteful and say that the victims are only taking advantage of an extension of SoL. I myself am hoping the victims receive the closure they deserve and heal from what happened.

It’s good that standards of acceptable behavior are finally changing in DCI, these kids shouldn’t spend thousands of dollars just to be abused. First with Spirit, now with the Cadets, I hope this is a wake-up call to any corps that still conduct themselves like that.

My experience as a fan going to field rehearsals of many of the tops corps in the last decade is that staff members are totally professional. No yelling, no lecturing, just good instructions with mutual respect all around. Back in the 70's, some staff members in some corps were not so great.

​@@skraegorn7317This is exactly why the Blue Devils and the Bluecoats are the top 2 corps in DCI, and Blue Devils are at the top. BD and Bloo take very good care of their members, which leads to better performance on the field (it's easier to perform when you're well rested and not burnt out) and higher vet retention. My indoor group's vis tech marched four years with the Blue Devils ('19 or '20 ageout i think) because he loved it so much, so clearly they're doing something right

How the heck is that the same thing. Shame on you for even comparing that. What are they suppose to do, write you a note and pass it down? stop being so soft.

That’s part of it. I got called out via megaphone a couple times and it did what it was supposed to. Scared the shit outta me and I fixed my mistakes!

Legal issues seem to be the main problem for The Cadets.

They also had a predator as their director for a time.

At the risk of sounding like one of those old “get off my lawn” guys…I think DCI could save a lot of lot of money if they cut out the unnecessary props, electronics, and new uniforms every year. The 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s had so many memorable shows that we still love today, and they didn’t have any of that extra stuff. It’s time to dial things back and return to the essence of drum corps. It can’t be a broadway musical, interpretive dance, a sporting event, and a musical performance all at the same time. Let’s get back to drum corps, the way it used to be. Oh and also maybe shorten up the tour too. We don’t have canvas the entire country every single year. Back in the day we used to have championships on the east coast one year and west coast the next. Maybe we get back to that model and shorten the tour, alternating between different parts of the country.

@@andrewfilmsdrums Although I kinda agree with your first paragraph, the actual issue is transportation. Thats what over half of those fees go to. As much as I'd love to go across the country next summer, every summer can't be like that. 5k+ is too much for so many people. I'm just praying that I won't get priced out of ever marching but i genuinely don't know that. side thing,as a front ensemble person I can't imagine that its necessary for world class fronts to get new instruments every year. You can argue, " oh over the summer they go through so much damage." if these marimbas were unusable then why the hell does every corps resell them when the season is over? just do work on them over the year.

@@SWilla00946 Agree 100%, including your transportation comment. Like I said, shorten the tour, and alternate between different parts of the country. A lot of east coast corps will not come out every year to the west coast shows. Like I remember Phantom Regiment coming out west in 2015. The Bluecoats came out in 2009. Phantom also came out in 2008. But they don't come out here EVERY year. But the West Coast corps DO go east every year, since they moved the Championships to Indy, which is just not fair for Blue Devils, SCV, Cascades, Academy, etc. I think they need to return to the model of alternating the World Championships between West and East. I went to the last time they had it out West in 2007, at the Rose Bowl. But I haven't been since. Get back to that model of alternating the location--the US is just too big geographically. And if it's your year as a drum corps to travel far for the championships (like if it's in California and you're an East-coast corps), then you just have to shorten up your tour that year. Don't go backwards to places like Atlanta, just start going in the direction of Championships. And if you're Carolina Crown for example, yeah you might have to spend a lot of money traveling all the way across the country, but guess what, you'll save a ton of money next year when the championships can move out east by you...maybe to Atlanta for example. There are for sure better ways to set up the tour than making every corps travel across the entire country every year.

I remember seeing them way back in 1982, the year when the magic was a kindling before their first championship in 1983. My heart is broken.

"The Mess" is sexual assault which has been happening in the activity since the 80s. And probably long before. "The Mess" has always plagued the activity, its only now that the people are finally being held accountable.

When I marched in the 90's Phantom was one of the more expensive corps to march and IIRC they were a whopping $650 or something.

This sort of thing always happens when competition and prestige are on the line: it becomes and arms race which means more and more money being spent. That and inflation just drive price up; ain't capitalism grand?

Staff buy outs are a thing as well. In 2017 Boston apparently outbid Carolina Crown and Poached their Colorguard staff. I wonder how much of the extra costs like this are passed down to the members

DC has been hijacked by the woke alphabet mob from college.

My surprise is the whole shebang isn’t shutting down, I expected it years ago.

Eric did his research and the video is accurate from everything I've read. The assault from 1982 and lawsuit was addressed in the video, and that surprised me. I feel like we got the story with all it's ugly truth. I have nothing but respect for Eric for showing us the good, the bad and the ugly.

Booting him over some dumb he-said-she-said from a zillion years ago didn't help anything.

@@paulblichmann2791 Did you watch the video? Also, as someone pretty involved, the things GH was charged over were not the entire issue.

Agree

Hopefully it's just changing.

@@highstimulation2497 Keep telling yourself that.

No. Every state is different. New Jersey changed their laws regarding sexual assaults.

Most sex crimes don't have limitations thankfully

I see. Thank you for explaining!

that closer is so damn good

Man... I marched 97, and some time later, when I had moved to CA, I was fathoming going to finals again (I had been every year since.) It was probably 2003 or 2004. There I was debating buying the tickets and the plane tickets and a hotel. I was listening to Cadets shows. At some point, the end of Cadets 2000 came on. I replayed the ending bit three times, felt CRAZY excitement, and it of course moved me to buy all the tickets, I just HAD to feel that again. To this day, 21 years after that, I'll occasionally find myself awake far too late at night, down yet another Awesome Cadets Moments rabbit hole (which in my case usually involveds 93, 98, 2000, 2005, perhaps 87, and a few others,) and there I'll be, hearing the end of Cadets 2000 again and again and feelin' nostalgia and joy and ecstasy and sentimentality and sadness and excitement and happiness too, even though my marching days ended decades ago and Cadets themselves are ended now too. We always have the music and the drill and the memories and the experiences and the love, remember this. #FHNSAB.

@@highstimulation2497 yeah those shows (especially 84 and 2000) really resonated with me that cadets was my home (hence why i joined cadets in 23) but as cadets is gone it seems a lot of the talent staff and member wise has spread across the top 12 (especially crown and scv) so I guess in a way the Bergen county feet will not just be exclusive to cadets now

They were called America's Drum Corps, so were asked to perform at the USA Olympics in 1996. A decade in a half later they got rid of the man than made them great and the Cadets have been down hill ever since. I'm not surprised--I'm heart broken but not surprised!

2000

2000