I agree with the argument of PD having lost their touch with game design, it's almost like they are putting in Moon Over the Castle, GT4 esque menu and other features of older games without understanding why they did it in the first place. But I also think they are somewhat ashamed of their heritage, as you've mentioned in your track design video where original circuits were designed due to the technological limitations and track licensing issues. But now that GT has grown big enough to get itself affiliated with IRL racing, they are more than happy to ditch the old stuff that made the game iconic, and wholeheartedly lean into the sweaty tryhard scene of real life racing / e sport sim racing. While that's objectively not a bad thing, that's not why I liked GT in the first place Overall I think it's a tragic case of disparity between what players want VS what Kaz wants. To say GT7 is a case of game design degradation, I think it's more of just GT becoming what Kaz wants for the series. They've unintentionally designed a game full of character in the past due to limitations back then, and now achieving what they want with the game using the status and the tech they now have. It's a tragedy really, maybe GT was never meant to be fun from the beginning, I do hope I'm wrong tho. These thoughts have been stuck in my head for far too long, thanks for giving me an outlet haha.
It's like everyone at PD started buying into their own marketing tagline too much. GT's never been a sim and no matter what they do sim snobs turn their nose up at GT because they're bug people who hate fun. To me 'The real driving simulator' never meant the handling and physics, it meant the experience of owning some little shitbox and tuning it into a circuit destroying monster. It meant picking a car you've always liked but could never afford IRL and driving it to your heart's content. It meant tuning every little tiny bit of your car to perfection even if you barely knew what a sparkplug was. It meant the game was for extreme car nerds and casual drivers all at once without compromising. GT7's good. But it could be so much better.
@@Calvin_Coolage this is exactly it. Little me picking up GT5 and barely knowing anything about cars, but still tearing it up on the circuits is a core memory of mine. I thought cars were propelled like jets by their exhaust pipes, and through the years I never put a GT game down, they made me who I am today. It’s for people like 5 year old LRG in 2010, and people like 18 year old LRG today. The newest title fails to capture it as well, but the potential is great.
I feel it's less they lost their touch and more that they simply disconnected. Kaz for the most part has ALWAYS been a racing guy FIRST. (Even going so far as to include his OWN Racing cars into the game.) So as the game got closer and closer to the online competitive sector he focused on that more...completely losing focus on what made the single player compelling. I won't go as far to say that The Single Player in GT3-4 were accidentally as good as they were. But Look how with GT5 and 6 that the Single Player got more and more streamlined essentially to promote the Multiplayer online aspect.
@@landrovergaming ive never known jack shit about cars other than the barebones stuff but GT is one of my favourite video game series' of all time. the thing is that i absolutely love cars, but i don't have the attention span to learn every little thing about them. basically, GT made me a hardcore car fan, but not a hardcore car nerd, you know what i mean? im definitely an absolute fucking nerd in other things tho lmao (like music)
It makes tons of sense when you realize most of the people behind the scenes in the older games left the company or retired years ago. The face of the franchise, the "star-dev" is still there, but the people that made it possible are no longer there and a new group of people are trying to cosplay as the people that came before. The Simpsons declined when scripwriters changed after seasons 8 to 10, and Mass Effect Andromeda can´t hold a handle to any previous Mass Effect because even if it´s labelled as a Bioware game, the new Bioware studio that was given the task to develop the game in a game engine not initially fit for purpose (Frostbite) and had only worked previously in the multiplayer parts of Mass Effect 3. So yeah no wonder GT7 feels like a hollow husk of the franchise, it has happened to many others before.
For me, I think it is more simple and a bit less esoteric. But it all comes down to Kaz. The game is a direct reflection of his passion for cars. In the beginning, GT1 and 2 were a dream project. Born from a project he didn't want to do, hiding within it the code of the game he dreamed of doing. It was pure passion for the love of cars. GT3 and 4, were the culmination of a young man's dreams. With real circuits, real racing cars, and finally realistic graphics. All of that success eventually led to a lot of wealth, and as he is now capable of buying all the cars he once only dreamt of as a young man, he no longer sees the game as the expression of his boy hood fantasy of getting to race all these cars that were always just out of reach. Now he is into the realm of cars that only come at a premium, are total one offs, or one of limited numbers. His still clearly has a passion for "special" cars, but he no longer possessed the passion for the thrill of driving anything on any circuit, for which GT1 was intended. He can do that for real now. Any day, any time, at any circuit. No longer does he need the "Real Driving Simulator" for those goals. And we can see that mentality creep in in GT5 and GT6, and GT Sport. But GT7 is where the real culmination of Kaz's current life of high dollar exclusives, and rare limited edition cars really comes full swing. Instead of just sharing with us, the gamer, the joy of driving, and a personal love letter to the automobile, we now share Kaz's view of the collector car world, and exotic professional and historical racing scene, where everything is made of unobtanium, and you sample cars like fine wines in bottles you can't afford, like Goodwood Festival of Speed. You experience a "taste" of premium car collection through a Menu, rather than the excitement of driving you're absolutely clapped out tuned up nugget for the first time in the Sunday Cup. This game is no longer Kaz's Real Driving Simulator, and is now Kaz's Adult Money Privileged Simulator: Car Collecting Boogaloo. The game is different, because Kaz's view of the automotive world is now different as a byproduct of his own success.
I really think you've nailed it here. I'm sure there could be more going on behind the scenes, but what you've laid out here definitely seems like part of the problem.
I often get asked what my opinion on GT7 is and my reply is always the same. I have none. The complete lack of player agency and freedom of choice - literally THE thing that sets this franchise apart - entirely drains my interest to even buy the game. That sense of wonder and discovery, which is honestly essential for any videogame, is completely missing. Very rarely have I felt such disinterest to try out a racing game. And that's arguably even worse than playing it extensively and coming to the conclusion that I dislike it. I'd rather try out some random bargain bin racing game from the early 2000's, because no matter how sh*t they are, at the very least they can still surprise you in some way.
I stopped playing gt7 after they defiled grand valley speed way into what ever that mess they made for gt7. Everything you've said in this series is exactly the reason why I've stopped playing, the game has no soul left. There's no real single player and online is full of dirty cheating drivers with no etiquette where the victim gets punished while the cheater gets away. I've started getting into acc on the ps5 and that has a better single player than gt7
Gt7 was my first gran turismo and even I picked up on how weird the menu books were. after a half dozen or so i was like "so when will the tutorial end?" I still finished all of them and have put ~250 hours into the game, but I can't help thinking about how much better the game wouldve been with a real campaign.
Since it was your first and I’m guessing on ps5 try gt sport they added the campaign not perfect but at least more events than in cafe menus. If you have older PlayStation consoles as other suggested you might try to play older gt games.
As someone who likes this game and is tired of the repetitive criticism of every new game on the market... I love these videos. The criticism is constructive, offering ways in which the bad elements could be improved upon or repurposed, and it doesn't go for surface-level "there are not enough cars/it's all microtransactions" crap I've seen in every form of social media, but actually analises what doesn't work, why, the intention behind those mistakes in the first place, the philosophy behind good and bad Gran Turismo game design... this is great! Hope you also cover and analise more racing games, good and bad, new and old.
It's nothing but excuses. I spend money on these games, and I deserve quality. And when developers don't deliver? Go f#ck themselves. We're talking about a professional game-producing team here, not just some indie developers struggle to make a working game.
@User User I personally love gt sport and 7 better than all the other gts, but sometimes I like to look at the negative stuff. And I'm from the cod community and loved bo3, people are different and therefore like different things.
For a long time I gave Kaz benefit of the doubt assuming a full VR mode was coming with a hard deadline and clearly taking up huge dev resource. Now however, there is nothing to hide the broken feeling of the game behind for all the reasons you've explained. A full structure refresh, in effect GT 7.1, is needed to get back on track and I don't see any reason not to do it immediately. Just bring back the license, cup and championship structure that is familiar from GT 1 onwards then drop in the new cars and AI improvements as they are completed.
Thats the good thing. The game already has a great base. Much of the stuff that needs to be fixed can be fixed fairly easy with some updates. UI designers for the menus for the new GT mode, and someone to link them all together and set the cash rewards. No need for new tracks or cars since you already have them. Just a new icon off the main menu that leads to New GT Mode. Structured like GT4. You start with 10 or 15k and go from there. As someone who has indeed made games, menus linking content is extremely easy. The only hard part is balancing money gain and which cars the AI has.
I just feel the VR was and is a waste... it just tacks on another pointless thing to a boring game. It's rly something typical for a lot(if not all) big game developers these days: focus on pointless stuff that do not make the game any better and tout it as something revolutionary...it would be, if the game wasn't a dumpsterfire...
I used to play a fair bit of My Summer Car What I discovered is that I got bored of it because it is a life simulator. Life simulators aren’t always fun because we play games to escape from our usual days, a break from our mistakes and grievances, a bit of fun, or a less expensive afternoon than going to the pub. Having a game that replicates real life seems like a good idea, but as more games come out with this premise you eventually have to ask yourself (as old mate has done in this video) how good is realism, when I am already living in a real world. Realism doesn’t always make for a good game, however simulators are still fun, because you get to drive cars that you never would be able to. I probably will never own a Holden Commodore or Ford Falcon. But I can jump on GT4 and play as a bogan Australian drifting around the track. There is a compromise that must be made. GT is meant to be an accessible game that most can play, in which Sony can use to flex their new console’s abilities. Take a really good simulator, BeamNG.drive. I thoroughly enjoy it, yet having every single rock on the side of the road have the capability to tear out your front left wishbone can make it quite hard when you are trying to navigate the tight dirt roads of the Utah map. Then try to explain to someone who has never taken a car into a paddock about oversteer, understeer, the whole nine yards and then get them to play it, they won’t enjoy it, it’s too hard. Bust out a PS2 and play Need for Speed or Burnout and a guarantee that someone who doesn’t even play video games that often can still play and enjoy the game. Albeit this is more physics, GT7’s problems relate more towards, well if you watch this man’s videos, you will know all about that!
You should try some car mods/saves with My Summer Car. I never had the motivation to build an entire car but driving around with literally a million horsepower was pretty fun. I think MSC actually offers way more than GT7 as MSC is so much more free in every way. You can go anywhere you want, freely tune the car in any way possible noclip around, use mods or whatever you want. It does get boring after a while but imo it's quite fun for some time. GT7 feels like it pisses in your mouth every second of gameplay sadly. Btw I don't have much of a point with my comment. Maybe the Playstation games being impossible to mod is an issue making games less fun or something. Just felt like commenting some shet.
@@OltskuMP Yeah sometimes I feel like just commenting on stuff to boss. Honestly I'm worried I've got a bit of an addiction going on where I FEEL like I must write a comment on a video when I really don't need to.
The physics and the cars are not the problem to me, in fact that's what appeals to me. My problem is that they try to include the problems of owning a car (which is very expensive and makes the game grindier).
The reason why I absolutely love BEAMNG is because it's the physics that are real life, but you yourself aren't forced to play it like a simulator, making the possibilities infinite...like how flat can this car get, can this car crumple up into a cube, etc... it's like universe sandbox, where reality is more of a gimmick than the core of the game.
Yeah, although I haven't played GT7 (yet) I totally agree with everything you say in this video. Polyphony have forgotten about the 'game' part of Gran Turismo, I loved in the previous games the whole strategy aspect of which licences to unlock, what car to buy and what upgrades to apply. Now the single player has been hollowed out to simple fetch quest (cafe books) and the racing / gaming is an afterthought . . . The real source of frustration I think that we all share is that the 'bones' of GT7 are solid, great cars, great tracks and awesome graphics. I mean even the VR looks freaking amazing, but the single player campaign . . . how hard can it be to just 'copy paste' the old European GT Super League / American Cup / Japanese Trophy campaigns from games past into GT7? The cars are there, the tracks are there, all we want are the race series / licence to have fun!
@@RXGTP yes maybe but there is no championchips. Gt7 has not really done the career mode justice. But i would not say gt sport career is better overall.
I disinstalled GT7 some days ago. I returned to play it after one year of absence hoping there was something new ... nope. It feels so empty. I never got tired of the old GTs, there was always something to do. A challenge to overcome or a new interesting car to buy. This GT is good only if you play it for the on-line tournaments. I did it for some time, but when you have so many sims at your disposal (rfactor2, Iracing, Assetto Corsa) it feels useless tryng to master a driving model that isn't as realistic as the sims that I previously mentioned. The old GTs were my most played racing games. GT7 was the least played and least favourite and now I'm abandoning it because it feels completely useless when you take the competition into account. Bye bye GT7.
My initial thought to your question "How did GT7 end up the way that it did" is simply because Sony demanded this game to be an online service game/GaaS, and it felt like Kaz had to retrofit GT into one which is why everything just feels so wrong. GT7 feeling like one giant battle pass is actually a great way to describe it. On an unrelated note, PD marketed this game and made a big deal about the Tesla Model 3 back in February 2022 and more than one year later it is still nowhere to be seen.
@@rinhojo9611 Hopefully this model is phased out soon. How are you supposed to be able to truly enjoy a game when you can't even save your progress in it on your own terms? I can't possibly see how forced DRM is beneficial. I think we should take it upon ourselves to boycott any single-player based game that's still always online. This problem was nonexistent until the late PS3 era; GT4 is still one of the best selling and most beloved racing games of all time and didn't force you to be online at all.
@@kpegc "I can't possibly see how forced DRM is beneficial." ...To you, because it isn't supposed to be. Game is designed to sell credits for real money. Thus the ability to patch any credit exploit is necessary. Already skipped PS5 entirely because of this.
@@rinhojo9611 I don't disagree with you, but why do you think they chose to hold the ability to save progress in the single player mode for ransom? They could have easily just created a separate economy and progression system for the multiplayer modes and not posted lap times or progress of offline players to the leaderboards. I think it's just a BS and dictator-like way of punishing honest customers who likely don't know how to do exploits, cheats, or piracy. It's not for nothing that GT7 has such a low user score on Metacritic and that the DRM is commonly cited as a reason why. I wish we could make it clearer to Polyphony that removing the requirement is the best path forward.
@@kpegc At the very least I'd say it's about control. If publishers can normalize having full control over whether people can play the games they purchased, it's beneficial because of course they can hold you hostage to buy the next game by shutting the old one down. People don't like this, but it is being phased in slowly even to games which don't technically require it.
The problem is the roulette system , why lock a feature behind a stupid gacha mechanic They finally give you the option to swap engines but lock it behind a stupid wall People want fun , this isn't it . The games gone way too grindy , Kaz said he doesn't want players to do the same races , he contradicted himself in that statement 😭
I loved being 6 years old playing gt2, and booting up simulation mode. No tutorial, here you go, and trial and erroring my way to the license tests, and figuring out what cars i could use for what events. No hand holding at all, just "do your thing" i then got gt5 and it was mostly the same with more stuff to do, like special events and bspec. And then after a decade got gt7 and cried thinking that polyphony wouldnt be like most game devs these days without the original passion
The sacrifices for the sake of realism and the excessive focus on multiplayer are both things that are unfortunately very prevalent in modern video games. This game is just a very clear example of it.
I first saw the red flags when it was revealed that it was going to have "Always Online" restrictions. I'm glad I never bought it, which is a really sad thing to say.
The PS2 era of GT had the best races. Can you imagine if GT7 were events were divided into Beginner, Amateur, Professional, Extreme and Endurance, more people would be happy. Making a championship event, 10 races, 10 laps, won’t even take as long as making one car. Not even a day!
Yeah man, i'm still waiting for them to add the freaking LFA meanwhile in Forza Horizon 5 i got one as a "gift" because apparently the community uses it as a way to get quick wheels spins money or something...but it's not the same there since the sound is underwhelming in FH5 compared to if it was on GT7 but even then, when they do add it the grind required to buy it will be such a chore...
The only thing that I'm okay with are the track redesigns, I think those were a good change to make those tracks feel fresh, is not amazing but is not bad either
For all the amazing visuals and attention to detail, GT7 does get boring very quickly. What’s even more annoying for me personally is my own real life car is in it and it still feels boring. I really believe we need some open world variation of Gran Turismo so we can actually drive our cars properly and enjoy them more because there’s very little to hold peoples interest despite new cars been added monthly. I do agree with everything said in this video. GT3 is also one of my favourites and I enjoyed every second of it, GT7 should logically be better than it’s PS2 counterparts but honestly it doesn’t feel it. Test Drive Solar Crown is coming out this year and I genuinely believe I might end up ditching GT7 almost entirely but we will see.
The really frustrating thing about GT7 is that all the really hard and time consuming to develop parts have been done and been done well, it's just that the structure of the game with the championships and suchlike has been stripped back to such an extent that it doesn't feel like Gran Turismo anymore, such a shame as its so close yet so far, how Polythony haven't fixed this in the year+ since it's release speaks volumes of how truly clueless and rudderless they have become
I hate the cafe menus. I miss the old progression, I'm actually playing through GT 6 to get that feeling again, I know it's not everyone's favourite, but I think it's my 2nd after gt4
I believe the economy is the biggest issue with alot of races giving horrible payouts and the races that give good payouts are ridiculously long difficult or just straight up boring
One quick fix: Make Cr. rewards higher the higher license level you have. S license= 5x Cr. bonus on higher difficulty championships and endurance races. for the next game: focus on getting on a race quick. BTW, the car collection issue it's fan's fault crying about how easy is to get credits or expensive cars.
Only a few minutes in and here is a Forza perspective. Making a model of a new car should take very little time if you set up your tools right. Laser scanning is something Turn 10 did years ago if I recall. Classics have always been something you need to treat differently. Every game I always gravitate towards the older cars of the game and while you can do alot in games with them I've found there is always some goal or some mission where they fall juuuust shy of the finish. Hell I spent way too much time on the 1 million drift points on Kaido in a Charger Daytona. Using them as rewards vs high cost is probably a bad idea. Using events to unlock ONE like FH5 does is definitely a bad idea. Maybe a Kudos system where you earn those points for driving "flashy" or making a "memorable moment" like drifting, very close drafting, close passes, photo finishes and the like. I don't think we are going to see another great car game in the coming years. Too much greed, too many out of touch people, focusing on the wrong things, removal of things from past games the players love. Until another series comes along and shakes things up, fat chance of that unless you don't use Ferraris and Porches, I think we, GT and Forza fans, are stuck with crap.
i think my list of things is bigger then urs 1=the credit system. cars are way to expensieve in regards to what u earn 2= 100 vision gt cars most of them beeing duplicates with different specs 3= cars that cost 20 million 4=races i would like a 1 hour race like the le mans 1 with 1 million credits as reward but featuring different class of car(im tired of grinding it with gr3) 5=the tickits always seem to give the lowest prize 6=the absurd penalty system wich makes no sense(cars running into me get no penalty but i get 1 for hitting the wall because of the crash) 7=u can only replace some cars engine with another cars engine 8=the chase camera is never at the right spot try driving the toyota van in chase(why dont they let me adjust it not just close or far) 9=some of the circuit experiences are freaking impossible without spending a ton of time on them 10=some cars breaking distance becomes worse after changing the brakes to better ones 11=the pp system is not a good guideline to car performance 12=i can name 20 more but dont think it will make any difference so ill leave it here
The only hope left to get a campaign is that they want to create it once they fully introduce sophy to the game...Hope's are not so high though considering everything
I really enjoy playing the game. But it’s aggravating that parts of it are locked behind RNG and timed events. It feels like I should be able to earn or win everything in the game at any point. Maybe it shouldn’t be easy or cheap, but attainable. The Dirt rally stuff is set up pretty dumb too.
Might've mentioned this in an earlier video but i only go back to GT 7 to do custom races when i feel like it with the rare occasion of doing a tiny bit of money grinding. One of the issues which has been around since GT 5, it's incomplete at release. In other words, lack of fun factor and motivating events. Before anyone says anything, Gt 5 felt more complete than Gt 6 and 7 by quite a margin. GT 6 had poor events, 24m of lemans... seriously!? GT 7 at release was horrible, it still feels like it's lacking in quality but back at release date it was just disgusting. Was even worse when they tried to lower payouts from the rally event. Countless of issues i could've addressed, but i need a book to write for that.
Great video as usual , brought up some good points. GT 3 despite lacking in cars and tracks, was damn fun and much of it was due to the different events and the game giving you tons of options on how to play through those events. It was also quality over quantity for most of it. My only issue with the older GT titles was how damn long it took to finish all the license tests.
i think GT7 with it's live update can fix some of the problem, things like historic racing/goodwood revival is an easy idea to make overpriced legend cars to be of use, not to mention AI update would definitely makes the custom race more enjoyable, and i think every console's first gran turismo is always lacking in content, GT2 have more content than GT1, GT4 have more content than GT3, GT6 have more content than GT5, GT7 have more content than GT sport, (put GT Portable here), i will enjoy GT7 for now, but when GT8 (and Gran Turismo 8 Deluxe) inevitably came out i will play it more than GT7, and i won't be needing to jump into my PS3 or PS2 to play GT6 or GT4
today I got Pagani invitation from daily surprise mechanic. so I went to the dealership only to find out that I already own the invitation-only car. and I have no idea when and how I got it... the game is so focused on collecting cars that they somehow managed to make it so boring I no longer care I when I get an exotic
They've even managed to make sport mode worse than GT Sport. I mean how hard is it to just copy and paste from older games that have refined the formula over years of updates?
Nah im sad when they remove racing mod/feature for road car version like on GT1 and GT2.(basically make your own race car to compete againts actual race cars)
As someone that has a bunch of custom championships ranging from 20 car group 1,2 (Japan Super GT), 3 and 4 grids with support categories (Mazda cup, pickup truck cup), NASCAR, DTM and Australian V8 Supercars ( I’m Australian) as well as replicating events from GT5 like the supercar festival and tuned car championship (I didn’t get to play 3 or 4 as a kid), I’ve sorta made my own gt career mode and forgotten about the menu books. The only thing I care about now is the addition of tracks. Kaz says that it takes lots of time to make a street circuit but there are asseto corsa mods for Tokyo r246, Seattle and Special Stage Route 5. Don’t make excuses, if some average joe can make a good street circuit in their bedrooms with their PC, I’m sure polyphony can. Please just listen to your community PD and try and fix this disaster because gt7 is a good game that just needs a few tiny tweaks.
Oh I didn't even know that GT had added "surprise mechanics"... sigh. I agree with your idea that the game is not designed with fun as the primary goal - but IMO it's because MONEY is now the clear primary goal and they're putting more effort into greed mechanics than into making the game fun and engaging.
GT7 was one of my most played games in 2022 but only thanks to its satisfying driving physics and online. Take those two away and you would be left with a very barebones product. Felt like the singleplayer experience wasn't even close to be the main focus in this game.
If they were an Indie developer, yes, makes sense. *But they are not.* They have the full support of Sony as a system seller franchise (for the racing genre). So we should not accept this excuses.
Personally, I like games to look a little "gamey", a little artifical. Look good certainly, but there's a point where the increase in graphical quality is kinda pointless. If you're so focussed on making things look more and more real and that is to the detriment of content (cars, tracks, game modes, number of cars on screen, AI, etc) its not worth it. That, plus those menu book things and other bits make it seem like they're a bit embarassed to be a video game.
I almost want to give GT7 a try to see how it compares to the stuff I had played. Or GT3, concept and GT4 which were the last Gran Turismo I played. But i lack the will to get me a PS5 and then this game for a laugh.
Honestly I find sport to be better than Gran Turismo 7. Mainly because of the racing aspect was really hard-core and tuning to make adjustments to your car is essential to accommodate suit your driving style. The N system had its flaws, but most cars were even in power and weight.
So so so true all of the video. Excellent content. They really should have stopped and asked themselves "Just because we can, doesn't mean we should" with so many aspects of the game. Looking forward to Part 2
I feel like GT7 isn't really meant to be a game, but rather polyphony trying to establish a library of high quality car models to pull from in the future. So they made that and slapped some basic gameplay functionality on it. For GT8, you could use the same models and all, just add a campaign and people would see it as a huge upgrade. Maybe for GT9 you'd then think about adding something new. Team Challenges, proper multi class racing, a AI that's competetive... ? And on GT "X" they might go derpy again and turn it into another library. One thing where I have to defend Polyphony a bit, tough is that they're kind-of a victim of the times. For sales and marketing, graphics are king. The average player might be fine with GT3-ish models or at least the PS3 generation models, but "gaming journalism" needs those graphics. And then there's the crowd of pricks infesting the car and gaming community. Watch any racing stream and people be like "wow those [MY GAME] graphics look real", "I'd beat that time in [my game]" and incite discussions with their kind about which game is superior. Even if you look at gaming as a whole, a lot of people which celebrate "being a nerd" on every "social" media platform were the ones making fun of those playing pixelated games on the early consoles or old PCs.
Game was ruined when they added buying credits. The biggest problem i have is the lack of money from winning races and why have all these 10x tire wear and 12x fuel consumption races and you don’t even get a lot of money for most races. Then you look at the legend car prices like wtf how many fucking hours will i have to play to buy a 12 000 000 car.
The PSVR2 changes the game. Literally. whenever actually obtaining a car simply to see what it's actually like to sit in and drive and to see all the details, the missteps go out the window.
After watching all you videos and having followed the GT series since the beginning, I would much rather a fun game that hyper realistic one. If I wanted to look at a collection of amazing cars and I can race, I will just look up Larry Chen's work. I want to sit down and have fun!
Really enjoyed your series of videos on GT7. I bought it a couple of months ago and loved playing through it, but did feel in the back of my mind that it didn't feel as fun to play as GT3 (my all-time favourite motorsport game), and your videos have really highlighted the issues. I do still go on and play the game from time to time just to scratch that motorsport itch, but its flaws are now really obvious and off-putting.
I absolutely loved GT7.....until I finished the regular menu books. Then every problem you've talked about here became clearer and clearer and now I barely play at all. It's so baffling that your reward for completing all the menu books is a dramatic reduction in new cars you can afford since the game just stops giving them to you. The grind for cash becomes so unstructured and just gets really old really fast.
On the single player experience lacking since GT5 - I loved GT1-6 (aside from when rolling starts became the norm!), I just wish GT6 came out on PS4 as well as PS3 and got more post release support. For me, the rot didn't really start until Sport and it hasn't gotten much better in 7! 😯🩲😀🤘
Especially accurate as Yamauchi said himself in an interview that maybe Gran Turismo should push more SUV content in the future, since this is where most drivers are going nowadays. He really said that. This says a lot more about how out of touch he is from real GT fans than anything else, imho.
@@Vahron I genuinely can't tell if he is taking the p*** or is genuinely that tone-deaf. Who asked for SUV's. In fact, I've heard more people say that racing games should actively avoid them than people who want them. I can only hope that he means a couple of oddball cars, like the Range Rover Storm in GT4 or the Schwimmwagen in GT5 (which both had actual events where you could enjoy them).
@@Vahron Lots of GT fans want a broad selection of vehicles. SUVs are definitely going to broaden the range of vehicles, but I'm not sure that many people are amped for that. How many people bought the minivan from last month?
@@vgaportauthority9932 If they're performance versions with 4WDthey might be fun for rally events. Frankly the only SUV I like and want in the game is the Hyundai Kona, but that's because it's actually a hatchback and I don't give a damn what Hyundai says.
I love GT7. I mean, I'm clocking about 200 hours on it, much more than any other PS5 game so far. But today, just before you posted this video, I decided I had enough and started using macro scripts to get the grinding done so I could get a glimpse on the last, most expensive cars I never could afford in my regular playtime. I've got more than 280 cars and barely used 20, maybe even 15. The only reason to keep pushing at this point is the VR Showroom, which is an absolute joy given the level of detail the car interiors have, and running a few laps with them on a track to get a small feeling on how they behave. And I mean, from my perspective of a car passionate guy, it is somehow justified, hence the playtime. But as game design goes, this feels terrible, and definitely not a valid way to waste the little time I have between my work hours. I'd rather have fun in half an hour with custom races in cars I barely touched with creative settings, rather than another 200th run of Le Mans 700. But if I go down this path, the game will throw everything at me to teach me that this might be fun, but unrewarding, and I would better spend my time grinding the same inane three races with the same couple of cars, forever. This is the absolute state of game design with GT7, and it's such a shame. Because when you're in the car, in VR, with a good wheel and pedals, you can still feel the unmatched level of immersion, you can still see what they were aiming for. But so much has gone to waste to get to that point, it's barely worth anymore. You talk a lot about GT3. I went back as far as GT1, since I was there when it got released first. And it's crazy, to remember how much the single player career was both simpler, yet much deeper, and felt more rewarding than what we have now, even with the by today standards insane physics it had. GT7 is a much better driving simulator. GT1 felt like a much better video game. Thank you for this video series, you summed up my feeling about this game more than I could say myself.
honestly what youve described is what most racing games in the last 10 years have felt like. Even forza has fallen into this pattern, everything revolving around the same few cars to make money otherwise its not worth it to use due to the broken performance system. no incentive to use cars you actually want due to either the busted mechanics of the game itself or the absurd grind to be able to afford any cars you want now as well as the future "i could use my favorite car for a few races till i go to bed and make 200k but if i force myself to run events A and B with C car i can make 700k" the second one is prioritized, and forces a lot to be ignored. feels like youre forced to nonstop grind and never use the cars you want to ever use. speaking as someone with well over 400 hours in GT7 here, after the license tests and main cafe menus it felt like a grinding simulator.
Feel exactly the same about the new Forza Horizon game. Making a safe money maker is much more important to the companies than actually creating something they cared about
Being almost 29 now there are games that as soon as i start im like this isnt me anymore , or i get bored. Thought it was me getting older too but i got a ps2, 3, 4,5 as well as nintendo xbox etc. mainly ps tho, but i still have hours of fun playing other games. Gt4 and maybe 5 and 6 are my favorite gran turismo, i doubt they’ll ever go back to that amazing story mode since everything is online now. I got gt sport and since i dont have internet in the mountains, ur literally limited to like 2 options . Same for dirt. 2.0 atleast i got the colin mcrae missions but thats it, steep is the same . No content without online
I will not forget what they did to GT7... they spit and lie to us Long-/Hardcore Fans. I will never ever pre-order a Gran Turismo Game again, cause GT was my life and they never disappointed me that great (well... GT Sport wasn't that great, but anyway). I'm sooo pissed and mad, cause GT7 could be even better without some sh*t (Tickets, Cafe, Menu Books ect.) At least it's not only GT/PD many other Games have this Problem too. I wanna live in the past again... GT3 and 4 are still my Highlights and i played since GT1, so no one can say: You talkin BS! Anyway, i'm not alone with my opinion. See ya
correct, this channel is going to release more videos than the content of Gran turismo 7 when Gran turismo 7 releases more content from the number one player this channel will have even gotten the plaque
GT7 is that kind of game with 200 side quests of wich 195 are fetch quests "go-in-dungeon-wack-thing-get-back-collect-reward" type of thing, and the other 5 give you a weapon wich might even not be better than the one you have already, only to have the company's CEO go in a meeting and say "Look! A GAZILLION hours of total play time! People love this game!"
I honestly feel adding a proper GT mode would atleast give the community *something* to do. The game is absolutely boring, as much I enjoyed it for the first half a year or so, there was nothing to do.
Sounds a bit like SFV without the arcade mode. Capcom really redeemed themselves with continued SFV support. Let's see if GT7 is worth it for me as well at some point.
Your description of "GT4's single player with the menu books tacked on" is exactly what I expected based on the pre-release marketing. Boy was I fooled.
I just play GT7, just to play GT7. Gran Turismo 4 will always be a all time classic. Gran turismo 5 was just a extended hand. what bothers me is, that the legend cars, cost alot, and you have to get a invitation to special cars which is only won by a roulette. GT7 is just trying to insult you and make things harder for you. collecting cars was part of the core game. Also there is missing classic racetracks, and racetracks that is so altered, that you don´t recognise
they haven't achieved a high since GT5 imo. i am yearning, and i mean *yearning*, for the day i can download the academy edition to a computer and reliably emulate the game. it was my childhood racer alongside a couple early WRC games and TDU2, but past the bias and strange decisions it has on its own, its genuinely what ive been waiting for out of a GT experience. hopping to the 2nd hand dealer to buy an old integra or a civic type R, and just seeing how far that box'll take me, upgrading to the cars i win and can now afford, all the way to using top spec (or DLC cars) to rough it out in endurance races i never had the patience for as a child, running time trials with sebastian vettel or randomly pouring all my time into the rally and nascar missions like i'm the digital equivalent of Kimi Raikkonen, using photo mode with cars i can actually grow an attachement to, so on and so forth. i cant deny the game has its value. there's at least some reason i hop back on to see how fast i can complete sardegna and leman and occasionally invest my time in a post-game menu book. But the problem is that its never felt like a journey to me. im told there was a journey, but that Journey was finished within 8 or so pretty skimpy "championships" and a bunch of cafe books i grinded out in the hopes there'd be something more. alas, there's nothing. there's "what i can make myself" and a collection of missions and licenses, but all of them are out-prioritised and swallowed whole in the face of grinding, online races and time trials. and its just. so. boring.
If PD were a little bit clever they would hire Roflwaffle as an advisor and tester to help make things right. Really enjoying your RU-vid stuff. Keep up the good work.
I literally fell asleep playing GT7 today, a couple of hours ago, I was at the 800PR event at Spa-Francorchamps, with Alpine Vision GT capped, basically just cruising around Spa, and about 35 minutes into the race I fell asleep, crashed on a corner. I finished the race and still got the clean race bonus. Since the last updates that changed the physics of the game, I am finally enjoying the game. But still, something is missing, I would like to make custom races of several hours, that are difficult, but the rewards in these are ridiculous, the Time/Money ratio of them makes them a waste of time compared to events of the game, that in half an hour you can get half a million easy.
I just can’t seem to understand why they refuse to listen. For awhile I thought it was just me. But so many people complain about the same stuff, rightfully so. The game is so so close to be so so good. But they just need to listen. Hopefully they do
At this rate a GT4 Remake would probably be a better game than GT8 :D I'm still having fun with GT7 especially online but boy the SP is so much better on 4 and even 5
@@sagealvarez1266 He sure could, yeah but he got deeper into the points he made. He put some good effort into these videos and I personally think that they are well edited and really bring the point across. But I can understand if some people dont wanna spend the time watching the videos
I think EVERYONE was thinking the same thing when it comes to the menu books. We expected it to be something on the side, not the whole campaign which makes the whole thing hilarious. They really messed up so bad in this part.
Polyphony as a studio feels like Sony's equivalent to Game Freak, both are basically coasting off the goodwill they've made in the past while their games lose more and more of what made them so beloved to begin with.
Let me say it like this: I think that you can tell Kaz is doing this from memory. And you can also tell that he isnt getting any younger if you get what I mean.
It's an insult to the whole franchise that people may feel the addition of XJ220 is more of a waste of in game credit, less ROI in road car races than the grind races, previous titles are better because players just purely enjoying it being there to be raced, no matter how expensive it is.
I enjoy GT7, but I will admit, I do agree with a lot of your concerns and gripes with the game. The disconnected nature between the Devs and their Community is quite frankly unacceptable at this time and age when people are more connected than ever. That being said, a couple things I would love to see is a big 2.0 update at some point that completely revamps the career mode to be similar to that of GT3 or GT4. It may just be the nostalgia speaking, especially since I also want to see the classic fictional race cars done up in modern graphics since their last appearance 10 years ago for most, some even longer. Makes me want to get a PS2 to play GT3 again...
Going back to Gran Turismo 3 or 4, 5- hell even 6, I find them just...more enjoyable thanks to the fact the singleplayer is still structured like it had been for prior entries. its clear the Polyphony of today doesn't understand GT anymore. It almost seems like every game company out there with a franchise steadily lost focus of their series as time went on.
The amount of times I've turned on my PS to play GT7 because I've adored the series since GT3, but then can't make myself click on the game and end up playing Assassin's Creed instead... Everything you've mentioned in these videos literally sums that up for me. I honestly want to love GT7 so badly, but I just can't, because I'm not into online racing or scapes or VR.
Someone at Sony should translate your videos in japanese and make Kaz watch them. As usual, this is so on point and putting words and structure as to what classic GT fans are feeling right now. GT7 got the graphics and sounds right but traded that for a inferior game on all fronts. Clearly PD doesn't seem to care about a good classic single player experience now more than a year later. It would be easy to patch that in an update instead of the 2-3 meaningless boring events we get with each update. I think I speak for most of us, what we wanted was just a GT3-GT4 callback with modern graphics, physics and sounds. How hard could it be ? PS: I saw the ''translate to japanese'' comment afterwards haha
GT7 is such a disappointment for me. My grandpa got me GT4 along with my PS2 as a present when I was around 5 years old I was really bad at the game and didn't understand it but still had fun. So when I became a teenager me and my dad were looking for a good split screen racing game we could play we went out to the game store and bought GT6 knowing how good GT4 was and we were hooked. There was such a vast amount of content in the game. Even just comparing how we got through the campaing was so fun. Eventually we burnt out and stopped playing. Then when we got the PS4 one of the first games we bought was GT Sport and we were left dissappointed. It had less events no GT Auto and less cars but we played it and had fun with it. We just reasoned that it was spin off and surely GT7 would be everything we were expecting a next gen GT to be. Then GT7 came out and everything that we had fun with in the previous games was almost nonexistent and the way that the game was trying to get our money and the gambling is just insulting. So we just didn't even bother we didn't get the game and just went back to playing GT6. And I sure that despite all of it's faults if GT6 were to be released today with a graphical update nobody would GT7 anymore
impossible (not really but expensive) for licensing issues. I could definitely see it being possible if they were to cut out certain brands/cars that they can't get permission for
@@AKK5I did you even read what I typed? Everyone knows they could remaster it, but its not free to use brands' cars in game even if you've done it before or in your current game. If that was the case, then literally every racing game would have real cars, and more of them. There's a a reason why NFS hot pursuit is literally the only racing game with licensed cars that has ever been remastered
@@SicSemperBeats GT7 has like half the cars that were in GT4, Supra GT500, Skylines, GTRs, NSX, the fucking chapparal 2J ffs. You think it would be any harder for them to license a few more? And disregard the car list, they could have produced an experience equal to of GT4 in GT7, it's literally what this video is about.
Nah, I can already play it as it was and couldn't care less that the graphics are not up to date. I'd rather have a modern Gran Turismo that applies all the actually good innovations after GT4 to a classic GT campaign like GT4.
