I like that you are accompanied by your dogs as often as possible and the patient kindness with which you consistently treat them Warren. As the old saying goes you can generally trust a dog who doesn't like a person but you can't generally trust a person who doesn't like dogs.
Glad you have a video diary. Back in the early 90's, I bought a reman engine. Put it in and it ran like crap. Turns out the didn't put head gaskets on either side. It took 6 months to get half my money back. I was done with remans then and forever. Good luck.
I always pull cat piston packs out and check the rings install liners and then drop pistons.....because that one I found was missing the compression rings only had the oil control ring.....had I put them in complete that would have sucked big time.
Warren, i can’t believe how calm you are when you saw them bent valves. I would have started laughing and then cursed my way into a song. I wish I could send you a pallet full of patience and courage. Keep your head up bud
Man oh man,,,, I’d like to say this is a first for Deere, but we had a motor come apart in a brand new cotton stripper, it was under warranty. They put a reman in it, same thing, cam gear came off. We were in the middle of harvest. I’ll give Deere credit, they made it right with us. Sent out a brand new machine until ours was fixed, both times. Which ours was new. Didn’t charge us a dime and took care of us the entire time. They put a new engine in it the second time, not a reman. We traded the POS as soon as harvest was done.
That baby started right up and sounded beautiful! UN-F-ING BELIEVABLE........I wonder if the shop that rebuilds these keeps log books on who does what? At least it wasn't raining!!!
Keep a log of who does what, with which and when!!! Common man it doesn't equate to equality if you measure one persons performance against themselves or another or a standard. Welcome to todays woke world. This is not just a JD problem either.
Even if they did, those logs would just get pencil whipped. The people who get these rebuild jobs from JD are the lowest bidders and are under pressure to do the job fast. They probably put more time into painting it and making look nice than anything else.
I've put in two "reman" complete Deere engines and both have had cam problems. One spun a cam bushing 4 hours after it was installed and the other the cam gear was loose from the factory. Rebuilt multiple Deere engines and never had an issue.
Had my fill of reman engines long before I retired. Several thngs come to mind.First one was way back in 1958.We put a so called reman engine in a Army tank,real bear to work on.ren about twenty minutes then fried it's self.Several other stories I could tell,but will only mention one more.Friend of mine put REMAN engine in a forklift.Engine had no oil pressure,after a while he found the problem,during cleaning process an allen plug in a oil passage had to be removed.It was never reinstalled,engine was reassembled paper work showed proper tests were done.Paperwork was pencil whipped.
Good vid Warrren. Excellent job. We have 2 6610r JD at work. Both had new front axles last year under guarantee. And now both have front UJ drive unit fails. You couldn't write it.
At least You have it all filmed, it's going to be hard for them to shift blame on this mess. It's fortunate that it happened before You sent it out to the customer. Thanks for sharing Warren. Best Wishes.
@@richardlincoln8438 - true, however the reman specifications are developed by JD engineers, including QA/QC requirements all in the contract. At least that’s how it should be. The reman contractor may be a major operation not just for JD motors, so it’s possible they have their own internal specifications. And in this particular case, they probably just take it back and send another to JD. It may also be possible though they agree to reimburse an experienced mechanic like Warren to do the rebuild - but then the warranty is by Warren.
Wow. As a retired John Deere heavy equipment mechanic (41 years), I’ve never seen a failure like that. I preferred to do my engine rebuilds. The problem was that we couldn’t compete with difference in price between in house rebuilds vs reman prices. Before remans came along I would do about 6 to 8 complete rebuilds a year. I really missed doing the rebuilds. The Deere V 8 diesel was always an interesting experience.
Im a Field mechanic in The gas compression world up here in Ab canada. Years ago we swapping out a Waukesha H-24. Its a inline 8 cylinder 24L displacement natural gas engine. (A POS by all accounts lol) Anyway, its in a building, driving a screw compressor, so we unhook it, a crew comes in to pull off the roof, we swing it out. Swing in a Reman unit, the crew reassembled the roof, do the alignment, get it all ready to run. As soon as we cranked it, it knocked bad. Turned out someone left a large tek screw inside one of the cylinders and smashed up the piston. We had not pulled the spark bolts out of it, so it came like that from the rebuild shop. So, off comes the roof and start all over again. Ahhh good times. It could normally be rebuilt in place, and just change that one hole out, but the customer said nope. Put a new one in. So we did.
especially when one thing after the other keeps happening even tho NONE of it is Warrens fault. There will always be someone wondering if its his fault somehow
My guess is Warren has a pretty damn good reputation among the farmers, and since farmers know cow shit when they see it I'm betting somebody is going to bend JD over on this one.
Back when I’d work on other people’s stuff I’d put some Jasper engines in for a few people and it worked out great. Swapped out many of them. I kept shelves full of 6.0 and 6.4 diesel parts also.
Many aspects of your personality and behaviors I respect and admire. First is how you treat other people; you give your “all” in the work you perform for your customers and help anyone else along the way that you can. Second, but barely so, is how you treat your pets; with respect and compassion all the time, every time. Those two attributes have been that way for the several years I have been watching. I suspect it has been that way life long. You are a good man, Warren.
You are not crazy Warren. 1988 was the last time I used a reman engine in anything. There use to be a couple of good good engine rebuilders in Spokane who warranteed their work, but that was 35 years ago. This is an absolute disaster for Deere, they owe this man a new machine without question. Three engines and this one didn't even make it into the field. When it first shut off I thought maybe the fuel shut-off solenoid failed or came unplugged, but a broken cam will definitely shut off the fuel pump. So much for just plugging a wire back in. What a nightmare for this owner. On the other hand I know a fantastic mechanic that will fix this whole mess the right way! Hey Warren, from now on, you need to charge a reassembly fee for all reman engines. When they what the fee is for, show em this video. At least you get paid either way. How frustrating to work so hard and have something like this happen.😫 Take a couple shots of Crown, give your wife a big ole hug and kiss, and tell her Happy Mother's Day. I'm sure her smile will make you smile too.
Another chapter in the book for that tractor! It started day one, when she was new. So many year's ago and it seems as if it's continuing to haunt you right up to this day. All I can say is keep up updated. You have an incredible work ethic. No matter how difficult a situation is, somethings are just out of your control
I've seen tractors and other implements sitting idle in fields for years rusting away in the Midwest. Trees growing around them, tall weeds growing up through them.
They have no choice in addition to the transport bill for getting the thing back to the shop. That thing didn't run 2 hrs. Now this ties up the farmer too. He's got ground to turn. Put a Pronto on this.
Had A Reman Engine the spark plug hole was stripped OUT Out Of The Box Thank G, I didn't put it in yet.....I Said Hope The Replacement One Is better ??? Well the cam chain Tensioner Gone Now Got 6years Out of 3 rd engine 5.4 3 valve ..Not So Good
Well that really sucks Sir. Why I have always done my own work,for the last 60 years. You though I would trust. But not the people around where I live. Liked,shared. All my very best.
When working for Cat, Terex, Joy, Northwest, Clark dealers, I can't recall how many times I was in the middle of assembling an engine, trans, hydraulics, and the "boss" would come up with phone call for me to take (cause they didn't really know much to help caller). It's soooo easy to make mistakes because of distractions. I remember a truck mechanic (Good mechanic) was handed a phone call from customer just as he was getting ready to tighten the oil drain. (Cat 3406E) You guessed it. The plug came out on I5 north of Seattle. That little fiasco cost our company 25, 000.00 + That was 20+ years ago.
The big difference is these reman companies do just one thing- reman engines, and the people on the lines don't take phone calls. Plus, they should have a proper QA process set up which catches critical phases of assembly. I bet the reman shop and JD both claim to manufcture to ISO standards, which means they must have a QA system in place and be regularly audited on it. They both need to be audited, something is very wrong for this to happen.
The last two reman engines I bought had breakdowns within the first hour of running. One was a Mercedes industrial engine with all the cam bearings destroyed and the other was a small Kubota with a head gasket failure. So I’m done with reman engines as well
Totally feel your frustration. The amount of aggravation caused by a failure of this nature is massive. And you still feel responsible in some way, even though its not your fault ! The re-man company will want to do an investigation and try to blame the mechanic...as usual ! I've worked as a truck mechanic in the UK for 30 years and this kind of S**T boils my piss... !The re-man company do give a toss about all the labour and downtime that's been wasted. Anyway good luck and keep the good uploads coming.
Hi Warren, Those improvements to the aircharge hose protection is called "Error Proofing" stuff you can do to a recognized weakness that may lead to a premature failure in a process or system. Just the term to use when you might have to discuss with clients or technical reps or just to add to your repertoire.
Strike two comes at 26:13, "Look at the whole engine shaking and everything, it's amazing any of that crap stays together" JD: hold my beer and my gear
when the cam broke the valves stayed open. the pistons shoved the valves up hard enough to snap the rocker shaft retainer bolts.. thats a powdered metal camshaft. bet you breakfast.
My heart went out to you when the engine was shown to have clearly destroyed itself......after all the fuss over the prior engine, and then this....ouch...
I'm with you. Have always rebuilt my own , but the last engine I decided to do a reman from the dealer to save on downtime. It was a disaster. It came back with a severely pitted exhaust manifold and rusted broke off and stripped mounting holes. When the dealer realized that that the whole front cover and all the timing gears had to be removed to fix the problem they ordered a new engine and replaced it in there own shop. I let them work it out with the factory even though we installed the first reman. Don't send me junk and expect us to fix their problems.
Back in the late 70s and early 80s we got a lot of bed remanufactured engines off of Ford RMP. 1 engine drop the main cap within the first week, another one lost arod cap and went through the block 5 days after its 90-day warranty expired. Lots of oil consumption problems too. Engines that I did nothing more than rings bearings and Valves used less oil and lasted longer
Warren , buddy of mine bought a john deere reman for his skidder, rod cap came off after a short time, hole in block, they did make it right after some discussion, hope it works out for you two
windowed blocks seem pretty common in JD's.. I've seen a few myself in the skidders.. I saw a really fresh CAT engine in a grader window the block as well
My jd reman for my skidder leaked oil out rear cover and oil pan QT. A day till it went back and got pulled and resealed didnt have 50hrs on it it was bullshit 6068t
@@carsons6519 I remember when we were replacing the engine, we had to put the injector feed tubes in.. well, they require a special tool from JD that's like $250 to compress the O ring so it doesn't get cut.. I looked around, found a 3/8th pipe nipple in brass, threw it in the lathe and tapered it out nicely, worked like a charm... Now tell me why that tool needs to be $250???
This video is worth its weight in gold, how could anyone say you did not do it correctly. Will be interesting to see what JD do, they should be all over this, send a new motor and technicians down to change it. Very poor advert for JD.
I had a new reman engine I was to put in a Ford areostar back in the early 90s at the shop I worked at. First one they had ran a bolt in for a lift bracket in the intake runner on the head and used too long of a bolt and bent a push rod. So they sent it back. Next one wouldn't build oil pressure after it was started. If you remember the 80s areostars you know what a pain they were to change the engine in. Third engine finally worked. As soon as I made sure it ran well and no leaks, I shipped it and crossed my fingers. I told my shop manager to NEVER use that reman company again
As if it letting go seconds after Warren said about throwing the hood on and telling the owner to come get it wasn't cruel irony enough! At least I didn't get the ad!
This is the second time I watched this video. My heart sunk when that tractor engine locked up and the tractor stranded ya on the road. Kinda reminds me of an engine I picked up for the wife’s car. It had only 5,000 miles in it when the car it was in crashed. It ran so good several weeks. It ran perfect until one day I was driving it the coolant light came on so I pulled it over and saw a heater hose blew and all the antifreeze ran out. After I replaced the hose and filled it up I started it and at idle it had a slight miss. I knew then it had gotten too hot. Surprisingly it ran fine for them next 5 years. It just sucks when stuff like that happens
I have been a John Deere dealership mechanic for going on thirty years and do my best to live by John Deere's Quote: " I will never put my name on a product that doesn't have in it the best that is in me" I wish he was still alive and the company still would hold true to this value. I can relate and feel your pain, Warren, keep up the good fight!
In the early days of the Cummins ISX 600 ( Series 1)...........brand new engines in trucks were blowing up on the dyno during pre-delivery..........or only a few weeks after delivery. They did address those problems........but it was a massive headache for a lot of people for some years. The series 2 version of the ISX600 was sensationally good........so much so that nobody will part with them. All engines, REMAN or otherwise should be load tested on a dyno for sufficient hours to be 99% proof of being reliable and in spec for various parameters. Sending junk out the door doesnt help ANYONE.
Wow that’s a mess buddy I hope they make it right with you just wow I’m speechless I feel ya buddy there’s so many people who comment on videos that have no idea about what’s being talked about or anything like that heck I’ve probably done it myself but I’ve seen some people say really really stupid stuff that if they had one ounce of common sense they would understand sorry for the rant take care buddy love the videos you are one great mechanic and person god bless
With the reman engine on the lift boom...and the motor mounts..I had long thoughts about a recent Jeep 4.0 install. They are a bit heavy...but not like the block at this unit. And the test drive....all captured to video. And that fail? Wow. That is a ton of expensive time....a lot of parts and back to a reman number 2 delivered? Adding up to a customer...with needs to seeding, tillage. Harvest committed end use. (delay). Schedule to jobs. All back to the beginning or worse...as tow to the shop and all...out in the sun (or rain). Well...sharpen a pen and document the hours...the cost of failure. Show the video record to owner. A tech is demanded to take all in stride. Every component and every day is about delivery of skill. Delivery of excellence is what makes the product and service. I am amazed you managed to capture this new component failure as it happened. How curious for that delivered unit to be as junk. M.
Excellent video! Hopefully this will be a wake up call for all companies that reman engines. This must have been a difficult video to make! Imagine everything working well and then....boom....the engine has a catastrophic failure. As a consumer, this scares the crap out of me. One of the reasons you buy a reman engine or transmission is so that this DOESN'T happen!
I work in the service department at a car dealership and we regularly sell reman engines and they are covered by a parts and labor warranty. The labor part of the warranty means that if something like this happens the service department would have to diagnose what went wrong and repair it even if we did not do the installation, we would then be paid the warranty labor times by. the manufacturer through the normal warranty reimbursement procedure. We sell reman engines they put in fedex trucks and sometimes things happen and we have to get involved to do the repair or complete replacement but we do get paid.
like it's cursed, right? Crazy after all the time and effort & it's some goon missing a couple of seconds with a torque wrench or a 1 buck bolt that brings the whole shooting match down... Hate seeing brand spanking new parts all snapped and ruined like that head, all for what?
Long ago in the tech college here the final project was a diesel in a boat. Well to get to this thing you had to torch a hole in the side of the steel hull and pull it out with a forklift. They rebuilt it and put it back in welded up the hole and went to start it and they left out the RODS/MAINS.
As a tech at a dealer for another major equipment oem, I can say without a doubt that isn't just a deere reman problem. Use our "certified quaility reman" parts the manufacturers say, it will be cheaper they say..... just gets so frustrating putting major components in customers equipment that you can't have any confidence in anymore.
I feel for you !!!! I am damn glad you have all this on a video, kind of hard to prove this was a screw up on your part, JD should pay 100% on this !!!!! At least you can show the owner !!! What a shame.
Remanufactured Engines need to meet a higher standard of quality control on the work done ressambling these reman engines. It's really starting to become a disposal society with engines now a days. I've always stood by any engine that I've rebuilt! I take pride in my quality of workmanship! !
All your hard work putting the engine back in, what a waste of effort, everyone is a loser when you have shoddy reconditioned engines supplied "as new" I bet the owner is upset, I am surprised how calm you were, great channel, like your work, don't let it get to you.
Yes quality parts, and most of all a quality man like yourself to put it pack together right, is the best solution. hope the reman co picks up the tab and compensates you for your work
You need to have this video available for every customer that wants to "just buy a reman and swing it in" instead of letting you build it right. Now, there will be time to do it twice, instead of doing it right the first time.
Please let there be a part two. You had me hooked hard at. She just shut down. Then broken parts on the top side of motor. On the f@##@! Side of the road. The wrench throwing contest would have hit a new world record.
Keep up the good work Warren. I always joke how I'm going to rename my farm black cloud acres. Like you have said these remans are done as cheap as can be done. The problem is the companies really don't care because they run them with numbers counters to give the best return to the stockholders. Ma deere is great at stealing ideas from other companies and claiming there's is better too. They have had a horrible time trying to develop motors to meet emissions standards, but the loyalty of their customers is unreal and they keep hanging on until deere gets it right. The only good tractor motors in high horse power they built in my opinion had cummins in them. I am biased though.
Sorry Warren, been there done that, had a reman compressor I spent all day replacing only to come apart later that day after the guy paid the bill. Totally just makes you sick and not want to even work on it anymore. So there I was the next day doing it all over and having to flush the system out.
This tractor is jinxed Warren. I felt for you so much after all those hours sweated on that thing. I didn't realise John Deere was such a joke of a company. When your new trainee arrives, I would use this tractor to initiate him and find out if he's any good. You know he might want to take over the social media side and leave you with the dirty end. Good luck with this Sir.
