THIS is why people have trust issues! Intel 14th Gen Review 

This is actually good news. The "new gen" at the same msrp will make the "old" 13 gen go down in price, making the 13600 an even better price/performance deal.

Intel has used the "50" designation before with a desktop processor that fell in between the 10700 and 10900. Remember the 10850K? It was actually a very good value when it was released.

I see no problem here, you pay more for your cpu so you can pay more for your electricity bill while gaining absolutely nothing. What a bargain indeed. haha

My theory is that 14th Gen is what Raptor Lake was supposed to be all along. Given that 13th Gen was put out ten months after 12th Gen, I think that was rushed out to compete with the 5800X3D. Then they tried to bargain on Meteor Lake for even more uplift, but since that isn't working out for desktop they put the refresh out as a placeholder until Arrow Lake.

Jay thanks so much for your content! I’ve watched 3 reviews on the 14th gen so far and you are the only one that bothered to mention the motherboard power limit stuff. Great video and great review!

I can't decide whether to consider this video aging like fine wine or like milk, considering that both these generations (13th gen and 14th gen) are affected by serious silicon degradation.

The end of the video was gold... "i like building computers" and "just put what you can afford in your PC" Thats as real as it gets right there

Congrats to i9 13900K owners you already have i9 14900K a year ago.

Just got a 5900x. Very happy with it. Don't really care about DDR5 stuff.

Just got a 7800X3D from Best Buy for $329. Gonna be a massive upgrade from my ancient Intel 2600K!

I am excited for this release just because the pricing is so close between 13th and 14th gen and the performance isn't much of an improvement. I'm looking for a Micro Center bundle deal on the 13700k/13900k or 7900X around Black Friday. I sure hope those prices drop a fair bit by then.

This blows my mind. This is a technology company at the quite literal forefront of INNOVATION, and this is the kind of tech we are presented with.

13900KS = 14900K + a slight bump, close enough to being twins though. Think I'm staying with 12900KF.

i would have loved to see the 12900k on the comps just to see how much difference the 13 was compared the the 14th increase. do you guys have the i7 14th gen yet?

Exactly. Best thing ever said by a content creator put whatever you can afford into your build.

If they had named it the 13950x then they couldn't say "Hay look we supported the 12th, 13th, and 14th gen CPUs ON THE SAME PLATFORM!"

I'm looking to build my first PC in a few months, and honestly i'm hyped for this launch because i'm hoping 13th gen will go down by like, 40 bucks. Appreciate the small things :)

Why didn’t Jay include the 7800x3d. It trumps the 14900k in cost and performance per watt and only a couple percent slower.

AMD 7800X3D pulls about 80W and is a hard match for Intels 14th gen top that can pull 320W....

I already buy it... and i think its worth it depends on your situation... i have the 4790k from 10 years ago and its time for an upgrade, initialy i wanted the 13900k but the 14900k is only 49€ or 52$ more in my country (spain) so i think its worth it for me. Cant wait to have my new PC

Honestly used the 14700k to build my first ever PC, love it so far. When pricing I was seeing practically no price difference between the Generation. Your channel and Linus were the ones that inspired me to finally build a Computer, Thank You ^.^

When I was building a full-size PC last December, I went with the 13,900K and I am happy with it. I'll stick with it for the foreseeable future.

It is supposed to be refresh, and that is what it is. Jay makes a good point in regards the power profile, most MB manufacturers have automated settings that will make the cpu pull up to 200 watts more than intended, for minimal gains in performance and much higher temperatures. I have seen benchmarks of the 14700k pulling 500 watts for often 3% better performance than what it gets when consuming 250-300. Asus is normally the largest culprit , but msi is starting to do the same.

13:36 it feels like you’re in better spirits doing builds, I like how you delivered this review, instructional in addition to review/benchmark. Good comparison to the 7950x too just built a pc with that, no 14th gen for me!

The 14700k is what has my attention if it can hold the same or better clock speed while adding 4 more cores.

So the 7950x3D would be a better choice for video editing+gaming+recording+streaming pc? (I mainly play Fortnite)

I am happy with my 7950X running @105w ECO mode, PBO -15, runs cool, My Geekbench6 scores different to yours Jayz - SC =2984, MC.=19,365 - not as quick as Intel but a darn sight lower power draw and heat output - ASUS B650E-E Corsair 64Gb 5600 CAS 40 !

As someone still rocking a 9th Gen Intel I just watch your videos for info for when I finally upgrade. So glad that I do, thank you Jay. please keep it up.

After shelling out the dough for a 13900k and a 4090 all on water. Kind of don't want to upgrade a thing until it's time to upgrade the whole damn thing, Haha

Jay I really appreciate the add in the middle of the video instead of the start. We usually have to watch 2 adds before the video even plays and getting slapped with a third is kinda frustrating.

As frustrating as it might be for us, I can see one argument for calling these 14th gen: Making it obvious, which are their latest CPUs. Given the complexity of the CPU numbering, a simple "-R" for "refresh" or similar changes wouldn't really stand out - as fitting as that might be. As an experiment: Take a look at the Haswell CPU numbers and try to tell at a glance which of those are from the Haswell Refresh.

14th gen does have one extra: APO. That is only 14th gen and only 14700 and 14900 series. How much that will affect how many games on Windows has to be seen because the hardware side seems to be a bit ahead of the software side. But if it works as advertised fine-tuned scheduling for a particular application can have quite an impact on the performance. But AFAIK the software side is still TBA.

Was waiting for this before upgrading. Think now I’ll just pick up a cheaper 13th gen

Why no comparison to X3D CPUs? Almost same performance (atleast at gaming) at half power the consumption sounds like an important information.

So I'm going from a 9900k to the 14900k. My 14900k already shipped. I'm happy tbh. I've had the 9900k since release. I like to upgrade every 5 years...Should I have waited for the 15th? I was debating it. The 15th should in theory be a LARGE improvement....but I just want to run my FS2020 at 60 frames 4k and be able to edit my videos a bit faster for now. I think it's worth it for me coming from the 9900...but I agree, coming from anything 12k or above, it's not worth it. Wait for the 15th if you're on the 12th or 13th gen.

1:50 8700k and 9700k are very different CPUs, 9700k doesn't have hyperthreading, 8700k does. In some games 8700k performs much better than 9700k because of that

I have just purchased a RYZEN 9 5900x to upgrade from my RYZEN 5 3600xt, I also purchased an NZXT Kraken Elite 280 to keep it cool. I am pretty confident that I made a good choice given the poor showing from Intel, and I am not really made of money.

If I'm doing a new I7 build I'm buying 14 gen, its the top I7. 14 Gen supports more features as well.

Most compelling thing about 14th gen would be better DDR5 stability. Would be interesting to see some RAM overclocking tests

So why did Intel not include the AV1 HW encoder and a quad channel Memory access (to already on the module dual channeled DDR5)? This would have given a significant advantage and benefit. I do love my i7-13700h in permanent 65W and nearly the same performance and a much much better iGPU for OpenCL calculations.

I've got nowhere near the budget or need for a chip like this, but it's always interesting to see how things are going on the cutting edge of consumer tech. Shame that it's bad advertising, but even small improvements to efficiency and thermals are welcomed. I'll stick to my 7600x for the next few years and see where things are closer to the end of the decade, though XD

It still makes no sense to get 14th gen from 12th gen, because 13th and 14th gen are functionally the same. But, the 13th gen are way cheaper due to being old.

As a 8th gen user that is seeing the last days of his I5 I think that the slight increase in performance at the same price sounds promising, obviously not what I expected. Maybe I can get a nice deal on 13th gen

so it comes out the box already overclock. just under volt it a bit, smooth it out.

I'm really happy to hear this because I'm about to build a new PC, upgrading from a 4th Gen i5, so knowing I can save a buck on the 13th gen is pretty awesome.

Why is your radiator upside down on that desk pc? Great content keep it up.

Interesting side note Jay, in a recent ASUS bios update for AMD, they changed PBO to "AI Optimized". I flashed my bios 2 weeks ago, and reran Cinebench r23 just to see how it changed my scores. After it ran, saw a score increase of nearly 2k on my 7700x. I went from mid 18000's to low 20000's

I have a 4080 with an intel 12700. Full system powerdraw, playing at 60fps (limited and underclocked my GPU) is 280w total. That is including my 65" TV. With the TV off, I am on about 180w total draw. Ark Ascended, average about 68w GPU draw, super smooth. Will not be upgrading anytime soon

We were promised 3 gens for this Intel socket. Instead we got 2.1 gens.

Regarding electricity. I just learned IDLE usage is 100% lower on Intel. As someone who uses PC alot, general purpose like browsing, rarely gaming, and rarely turn off PC, that would surely translate to lower electric bill?

I very much appreciate Jay keeping us consumers informed. Thank you 🙏

Undervolted 7950x gets 3185 points single core in cinebench 6 and 22269 in multicore while consuming twice less power

I still haven't found a personal use case that has made me feel compelled to upgrade my i7-6700 from late 2015. The fact that it isn't "ready for Windows 11" just means it doesn't bug me to "upgrade" to the advertising platform and data harvesting tool masquerading as an operating system that is Win11. I'm migrating to some flavor of Linux when Windows 10 reaches EOL.

Jay, I see you talking about upgrading from 12gen to 14gen and how it wouldn't make a difference, what about us who are still running on 11900k's 3 years later

100% trust issue to every brand

I have a 14900k on an Asus board and the stupid thing pulls 1.413vcore on default settings. Jay, can you please do a video explaining the power settings your talking about in this video?

but thats why they called it a refresh, its not really marketed as a next gen cpu, next year they are even changing the naming scheme. I feel like in the past Intel did this because they had no competition and no reason to innovate, but this time I feel like they just didnt have next gen ready in time. Also some gens with a yearly release schedule have to be small uplifts in performance, you cant go from 12th gen to 13th gen type improvements every year, I just dont think thats possible, I think they have to go back to the tick tock approach, they did away with it to get to a certain level to make sure they keep up with amd , but I think to keep price and power usage down they have to go back to a tick tock sort of approach. Where every 2 years is the big upgrade and in between just process refinement.

Does the new 14th gen fix the memory controller issues with having 4 dimms of high speed ram installed?

Nice one Jay, it sickens me too a bit when such massive corporations resort to such sleazy marketing to basically scam people into an overpriced 13th gen in this case. Intel and nVidia both need an intervention for their creative marketing practices.

people are buying it so ...yeah intel knew what it was doing. "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."

In Jay we trust!

10th gen: no one cares about me

intel have lot of thermal issues on i7 and i9 series .. everyone please review thoroughly before purchasing

Come on Jay, let 13th Gen identify as 14th Gen. It's 2023.

I'm bumping up from a i5-3570K to a i7-14700K. Also, from a GTX 1070, to a 4070 Super. And from a SATA SSD to a Gen 5 M.2.

I’m on a Intel i7 6700 and it runs games just fine. I run most of my games on high graphic settings at about 80 fps with about 15-20 Fps fluctuation. It’s paired with a evga3090.

It's been done, it's like going from AMD Ryzen 2700X to 3700X. The improvement to the process that is actually noticeable has been getting a new number in the front before. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm still rocking my 9900k with my 3080ti... would it be a better idea to upgrade to the 13.5 gen since 14th is up a refined version? Or wait until the newer 15th that will be a new idea

why all this but not the new 14900 KF??

Intel: It's not the same. Me: Why? Intel: Because it's not the same.

Going from an 8700, the 13th to 14th gen similarity doesn’t bug me as much. Similar to people who get the latest iPhone every year, changes will be pretty inconsequential until you’re jumping at least a few years between upgrades. Been saving since my last build, so price really isn’t the issue here. I’m just picking the one with the most long term support, since it’ll likely be left un-upgraded until my next build in another 5-7 years at least. I doubt the average pc gamer drops several hundred dollars on a new cpu every year. So just get something in your budget that’s either current or a year old and upgrade once the step is substantial or when the old build dies

Well... they're about the same retail price now but since there are always people who upgrade for the extra bump ...2nd hand prices for the 13th gen have gone down!

So what ur saying is advertising would be better if it was called 13th gen+ 🤔

can this even be called a refresh? higher price, higher thermals and power usage inteL

upgrading from a 9700k to a 14700k next week. I appreciate the honesty, definitely eye opening but the prices are so similar between 13 and 14 gen i may as well get the 'newest' CPU available

Currently running a 10900k and picked up a 14900k, so I’m not mad a the minor differences from 13th gen.

I'm looking to replace my 7th gen i5, I think this will be a good uplift for me, and I'm happy I didn't make the jump a month ago. But I agree there doesn't seem to be much of a point for anyone with newer gens. I just hope my CX650M PSU and Hydro H100i v2 AIO cooler will be able to handle it.

I am on 4790k still 10 years old and rockin almost 5ghz right now! Still brutes through games

If you're on 12th gen, going to 14th might not give you much performance gain but aren't you gaining on the power draw/TDP side? Same or better performance with less TDP might be enough for someone to go from 12th to 14th gen.

Went 13th gen a few months ago after seeing reports that 14th would essentially just be a refresh, was still on 2nd gen so had to build something anyway. Probably won't be doing another build for 5-10 years again.

I'm with I7 4 gen (still!) and thinking of a huge upgrade. But keeping in mind Intel is working for the upcoming Meteor Lake for near future, I'll wait for it! It seems the Meteor will bring bigger changes.

it might have the 13th gen core, but it could also have added functionality that OS like windows will use only if the CPU identifies it self as Gen14th

Der Bauer just showed how his Asus Z790 Heros PL1 and PL2 settings are pretty much set to unlimited unless you go into bios and set them yourselves . His 14900k had a max power usage of 343 watts! Insane especially when compared to the 7800x3d amd its power usage...

Meteor lake for desktop didnt happen... so they just did raptor lake 2... 😮 Wait for the arrow to fly in a year me thinks

speaking of wattage, yesterday running Cine'24 my 13900KS was pulling 480+ Watts.

This was supposed to be the gen we could upgrade more without needing to buy another MoBo due to new socket. I guess not. I'll keep my 12700k and I'll be forced to buy a new MoBo and new DDR5 in the future...

So far, what I've found is that the prices are practically the same for the 13900k vs 14900k. I guess it's safe to assume I should go with the newer model when building my PC since I'm not saving anything by choosing 13th vs 14th gen.

I am still on i7 2600 with 32GB ram and running 8+ VM's all time on hyper-v. Researching as I am considering upgrade just for windows 11 and Virtualization

Surprising but 13th gen and 14th gen i9s cost the same here. But I'm debating on whether or not to wait for the 15th gen.

Ok, I'd like to see a 14th gen vs 12th gen comparison. I just built a new PC with a 12th gen i7 12700K, and would love to know if it would be worth the upgrade in a couple of years or so to upgrade to a 14700 or even a 14900 (to avoid also upgrading the motherboard, RAM, etc.) For me, a 10% increase in performance wouldn't be worth it unless in a few years 14th gen would be $150/175 or less. Maybe not even worth a 20% increase...

Here I am still pushing my 4790k from 2015. Its upgrade time THIS year

nobody mentions that the memory controller on the 14900k is improved as well and with the new mother boards like the asrock phantom nova, you can run 8000mhz ddr5 ram no problem, and real world performance with a setup like this will have better results than a benchmark score, i just built it and its amazing!

I'm a 13th Gen... But I *identify* as a 14th Gen ;D lol

The only problem is the misleading labeling. It should be 13950, 13750, 13650. If it helps push 13 prices down then those become very compelling again, at least for the 7 and the 6 levels.

I wonder if they'll be able to bin any KS chips for the 14900

I recently switched from an i5 4440 to a 12400 and the leap in performance was significant. for a 14th cpu if I upgraded I'd only be gaining a few more e-cores but the price, even more so in the third world, doesn't justify it.

Been considering a cpu upgrade for a while, regardless of my choice, from a 7700k either is going to be a huge upgrade. That being said, on 'scan' in the UK the 13900k and 14900k are identically priced... Makes that a somewhat easy decision!

Hello Jay could you make a video where you recommend the most viable MOBO for Ryzen systems? I ask because from your videos I learned that the MOBO market is severely overpriced (as with most parts).

That's one of the things I love about Jay , he tells it like it is , gives you the facts so you can make your own mind up about a product . Pity we don't get the same kind of honesty from manufacturers .

My i9 13900ks gives a Cinebench R23 single score of 2321 and multi score of 41249 thats which maximum tweaking on a NH-D15 cooler and DDR4 4000 C18.