THIS IS WHY REMNANT 2 IS DYING... 

I don’t want them to nerf mods or skills into the ground because I feel being creative should be rewarded however you should have to be creative for a mod/ skill build feel decently op. But overall I have to agree high skill builds should feel OP when played well.

Nerfing everything to make it all mid is NOT the solution to keeping a player base. Just ask the devs of Helldivers 2 how that's working out for them. The game is pushing one year old and has very little RNG to keep people playing it. Once you've collected everything, there's little reason to keep playing other than to create broken builds. It's not like Borderlands 2 where you keep grinding for gear with better stats or parts. Take away the incentive to create broken builds, the game is dead.

It's hard to keep a balance, but definitely some items must remain op, especially the ones that cost too much effort to get. Cof cof, hardore runs. But on the other hand..... if something is extremely broken and trivializes the game that much, it can become bored. It definitely is hard to balance this kind of thing.

I love the first one and Remnant 2 is even better. I want to thank them for all the hard work and I think they have done a great job. Play hardcore with out backing up your game or play with weaker weapons. Any game no matter what can become to easy. I think it’s great can’t wait for the 3rd DLC. Thanks 🙏

dying is being over dramatic

Current builds all seem to feature monolith. The guns mod is very powerful and hasn’t been though about in balance at all.

Apocalypse is very easy once you're geared up. I play plenty of "off meta" builds to challenge myself and HU/GS sits at the upper end of that category. I think perhaps GFG needs to introduce world modifiers and sliders that you can apply when re-rolling a story/adventure mode. Something to give players agency and keep things fresh. Locking these behind apocalypse (or maybe nightmare) completion would probably be sensible. ------------------------- Sliders such as: ------------------------ - Trash enemy health (up to 10x) - Elite enemy health (up to 5x) - Boss Health (up to 3x) - Trash enemy multiplier (up to 2x) - Elite enemy multiplier (up to 3x) ------------------------------------- And modifiers such as: ------------------------------------ - Sniper: 1.2x weak spot damage. 0.75x non weak spot damage. - Catalyst: Enemies that die to an elemental DOT launch homing orbs of that type toward the player (at most, once every 6 seconds). Getting hit applies the status to you but I-framing the orbs creates a 10m explosion that applies it to all enemies in range. - Surgeon: +20% melee damage, melee attack speed and melee crit chance. Generic and Elite enemies NOT killed by melee damage have a 50% chance to be staggered and regain their full HP instead of dying. - Voltage: Shock/overload damage 1.2x (fire/corrosive damage 0.75x) - Acrid: Corrosive/acid damage 1.2x (fire/shock damage 0.75x) - Scorch: Fire/burn damage 1.2x (shock/corrosive damage 0.75x) - Bloodlust: Weak spot hits and melee hits apply hemorrhage for 3 seconds. Gain 6% life-steal against hemorrhaged targets. ALL other healing is reduced by 75%. - Minimalist: When no mod or skill is active, gain 1% fire rate and reload speed every second up to a maximum of +50%. Charge weapons gain 1% crit chance and damage instead. Using a mod or skill resets the buff. All elemental damage is halved. - Speedster: All damage increased by 40% of your bonus movement speed. Sprinting builds stacks of frenzy. The faster your movement speed, the faster you gain stacks. Frenzy decays quickly and when depleted, drains your HP at 10% per second (down to 1HP). - Arsenal: (Story playthrough modifier) Equipped weapons lose 1% damage and equipped mods gain 1% mod cost for every minute spent in combat. This does not reset until beating Annihilation. Move fast and spend your gear wisely. ------------------------------------- Being able to choose or randomize modifiers would result in some unique playthroughs and provide incentive to create/test new builds. Having the sliders available to players would allow them to tailor the difficulty based on their current modifiers and build choices. Sliders would multiply based on the current difficulty chosen and obviously not go below 1x. Just my idea for a fun endgame experience. Values and percentages would need to be adjusted based on testing.

I think that this is a temporary issue due to the last dlc's equipment being built around skills and mods. I believe (or at least I hope) that in the future patches we will see a slight nerf for mod builds and for invoker which is way too strong, after all it's not the first time that this situation occurs (ritualist, I'm looking at you). That said, we can still play non meta builds. Maybe a plasma cutter build won't have the same DPS of a mod build and it will not have the same multi target damage but it still works so if you enjoy it just use it

They could buff Grey health/half health builds, that would be fun rink reward

Honestly you make some great points. I do hope some fixes come out for Monolith and Invoker but the ranged builds stuff you talked about I'm not quite sure of.

isn’t this just an issue of u having to dodge so u lose over all dps but as a mod mage u don’t lose much dps bc It keeps going while u dodge

Nerfing and buffing things so much in RPG games could harm a game as well. I hope the devs understand that. Releasing content with a well-balanced set of items so that they don't have to nerf and buff things too much later on would be nice. Nerfing and buffing things is fine all together but when it gets out of hand it could also ruin the fun that they were trying to make. Just like the tragedy that happened with Diablo 4 after each update the only thing that was changing was nerfs and buffs back to back so much that it lost half of its player base. I hope the same thing doesn't happen with this game, it would be sad.

Man u hit it right on the nail they really messed up with the nerfs badly makes me not play it as much as i did

As much as i love the souls-like gameplay, i do wish it leaned more towards diablo/poe as far as loot goes. I feel like we just nuke bosses just to do it. But if all gear rolled stats along with mutators it would be fun to hunt for perfect items that allow these crazy op builds.

i genuinely hate the sandstorm/firestorm/archon frequency when you could reward risky gameplay and not mod or skill spam

All these damage builds, "bUt WhErE tAnK bUiLd At?!" I don't use DPS builds. It doesn't matter if it takes 5 or 10 minutes if I have 0% chance of dying. My fight is a war of attrition. 😂

It is not a live service game so, dying? Personally have over 400 hours in the game and still have fun with it. Well worth the money.

Make new difficulty increase boss health in the new difficulty and give the boss new move set that harder to dodge i think this may workout better

I use my own mage mod build with Ritualist and my DPS is 3000-4500 rn with the status damage set up lmao

what are good ways to bring back ranged damage in your opinion

Asking that question won't increase the damage on HUGS, but will just result in a nerf to Mods/Skills.

Honestly, quit playing the second I realized how poor the engineer role is. It looked so fun to use, but when I first used it with a decent loadout, it was the definition of mid.

Your verdict at the end is on point, Chaos! Thanks for making this video and dearly hope Tragic sees this. Let's make this a shooter game Gainand not a wizard game!

I had a feeling that Remnant 2 wasnt as fun for me anymore and that's the reason. There's no variety and even if you try something else it's not gonna be as rewarding. I think Gfg should revert the crit nerfs and make a new gamemode that releases either with the DLC or a seperate update

I'm not sure where the balance of the game truly is anymore. Some hugs but not all hugs feel good and calming mod spam down also sounds like a net loss for the game. if you take dot ,skill or mod damage down it doesnt feel fun anymore. I still feel like gunfire nerfed crit because it affects skills and mods but it still hurts more than it helped. Some really fun guns just dont work anymore and thats just sad..

Very true pro at the first of remnant2 there was a lot of fun builds and enjoyable builds for range damage and i did send a map to gunfire games company in the Twitter about these issues that they are killing every strong build and every enjoyable builds to make the game balanced but they should make builds more powerful and the bosses more stronger to balance the game because now they literally don’t have anything that we can have fun on this game unfortunately

I completely agree. I have been trying to figure out the issue with the game. I thought i was just getting bored but I think it's this. Mod/skill builds are just to so good and slightly brain dead. Makes running anything else feel bad. They need to do something to other types of build to make more variety.

How did you get so much armor?

In a purely Co-op game, I feel like nerfing stuff should almost never be the answer. Not quite never, but it should be a absolute Last Resort

I killed nightwear with my infinite skill build came in the fight with heat wave +way of kealua mid cut scene she was taking DMG got her under 75% health first phase 😂 i clipped it wish i got it on live

How did you get 166.8 armour for only 49.1 weight?

Summoner/Engineer > Mod Mage. And it’s not even close

Maybe this is a bad take but you don't have to run that build... but yes range needs a bit more love imo

The only thing is the last 2 type of builds are to me more fun to play???

The meta went from glass cannons that require skill in both dodging and aiming to mod and skill spam that anyone can do. I do think people overreacted to the crit nerfs but it was a stupid change imo

Who would of thought that playing as a magical demi-god that bends the very elements of nature to you will is superior to the "I shoot guns" guy. Honestly kind of reminds of fighters in DnD being surprised they fall behind literally every magic class in terms of damage output. Of course the magic is going to outclass the guns. It's freaking magic. And don't @me with the "they're just modification to the weapons" argument. A pillar of fire that actively chases down enemies or a highly aggressive sandstorm is magic, I don't care what the game tries to call them. Besides takes less then a minute with any decent build. So some can crunch a boss in 30 seconds instead of crunching them in sixty. Big deal. Only matters to speed runners or "max efficiency" farmers. You play what's fun, the forty extra seconds aren't going to matter to 99% of the people that play the game.

Me: playing an OP Savior build.

They keep changing everything and jaut making me be like why should i give them my time to make a build and then it just useless later not useless but if i want to be doing crazy melts i have to play a different way or some way that im not really into its pve im pretty casual i just loved the first game but theres so much stuff in this one that i just dont care about like hardcore stuff etc etc i think hardcore should just have skins or something like the end game in the first idk i just cant play this i didnt even end up finishing newest dlc i cant really explain it i kinda fell out of love with the game i might go replay the first sometime

What is "HUGS" again?

Ok so I stopped playing destiny and was looking for a game where I can have a sword and ranged weapon... either this or lords of the fallen... lies of p looks great also but I'm only buying one of those 3

I understand what you’re saying but I think to say it’s dying is crazy. There is so much variety and you can play so many different ways. I have no complaints but that is just my opinion. I do want to say thanks for all your great videos and the time you put into them so thank you as well👍

Basically everyone who wants to complete an Apoc run has done so at this point, if they were willing to put in any effort at all. After that, who cares? It's not like Remnant 2 has an endgame where advantage is gained by having lower TTKs on bosses. Any decent build, be it ranged, melee, or skill, is capable of breezing through the entire game, so just pick what you want to play and have fun.

I maintain that the reason the game is "dying" is that it never got the attention it deserved from content creators or the wider community when it released even though it's one of the best games I have ever played, period. I feel like talking about the dominance of mod and skill builds is a little out of touch, this is not a competative game like Destiny 2 or something, the only thing forcing you to use the meta is you. I love and cherish my merciless build, is it meta? No, but it's mine and it works in apoc, as long as a weapon is viable, it is equally as useable as everything else. I have never even used firestorm and I don't feel like I'm missing anything, I don't use tank builds for the same reason, I don't enjoy them. Remnant 2 being a largely solo experiance gives us the freedom to do whatever we want, and certain builds being vastly superior doesn't matter because you don't have to use them. This game has some legitimate issues, like the inability to communicate with co-op teammates beyond shooting them to get their attention and prraying they don't think you're attacking them and kick you from the team, but I don't think certain builds being OP is a critical issue with the game.

IMO, This isnt the main reason, The sheer lack of endgame content is the main cause. Once I collected all the armors weapons and other collectibles theres no REAL reason for me to play anymore. A system with randomized stats on stuff (Like warframe's riven system for example) would give it maybe a extra week, but once you got what you wanted then again theres no real reason to play more. These days I only boot remnant from the ashes up for a drinking game with buddies in that 1 mode where you start at lvl 1 and get random items to buy (forgot the name been a hot minute that I've last played it)

I knew this was precisely what was gonna happen I said in a comment for a "broken archon invoker build" video all these said "OP build" videos aren't helping with all the nerfs people are crying about. If people don't want their op broken builds to get nerfed to oblivion maybe don't upload "op build" videos but what do I know. That being said Gunfire/Arc games aren't free from my criticism,but also true hot takes either for all the bullsh@# they spew about "build diversity","keeping the player base engaged" or however the f*** they word it....they seem to have been nerfing alot of weapons,gear,etc that players DO find fun and contribute to their builds,etc Removing stat bonuses from armorsets going into Remnant 2 was the start then they started nerfing gear, archetype builds that funny enough DID add on to what made players love this game,have fun with it,etc... But now with them constantly nerfing sh@#$ to the ground they're going against what they spew,etc etc. I will forever call Gunfire/Arc games out on their BS especially after they patched the effect when you activated Bulletstorm (Gunslinger's 3rd skill) while using the recently added Triple Crossbow it gained infinite ammo for the duration which Bulletstorm was active that was f**"ing awesome,fun,etc....but then of course they nerfed it cuz of course they would it's like we can't have nice things in this f@$$ing game despite the BS they talk out their a@# but I digress

everything being soo strong makes the game way to easy and your not being rewarded for playing well. i finished the game in apocalypse mode with a sniper build in like 2 hours, there's no difficulty to it? i think instead of nerfing everything they should bring out a harder difficulty/modes and have rewards tied to them so its rewarding instead of just walking through boss fights.

Well I'm having fun with the game lol. If you don't like it, don't play. Simple

I think the problem is not only the mod/skill spam meta that is kinda braindead and thus boring in the long run but also the variety of builds. Idk how many builds I have seen that rely on monolith or nebula lately. Its the biggest irony that the community that propagates build variety in the game utilize the same 2 weapons and the couple trinkets over and over and over again.

The last DLC was very underwhelming!

Who was there in the stream 🙋🏽‍♂️

Agree 100 %. Corrupted savior is still quite viable, but even then I just slap on havoc form for the boss fights most of the time, because the only reason not to is to challenge myself not to :l

Yeah the way builds feel now is rubbish and the co op game play is usually you're booted soon after joining or just for no apparent reason. Rem 2 is my current favorite fps but i dont play much due to the previous stated reasons.(basically at 800+ hours of play)

It just feels like Hey buy the dlc and be op

i have 1.5k playtime on this game. since the last dlc/patch i lost the interest to play this game bcos whatever build i try to make they all feels horrible bcoz knowing the mod/skill spam build is brain dead easy and 10 times stronger that whatever i try to come up with. pre nerf ranged was comparable to mod mage spam build. now its all about Invoker + whatever skill/mod = easy clap.i hate to say this but it feels like the dev are trying to push live service mindset where player are suppose to use whatever meta the dev team want player to use and overusing will cause them nerf the current one and then come up with new meta by buffing underused item.

The main reason i don't play anymore it's because i've done everything and the last DLC is just boring as hell

Naw we waiting 4 all 3 Dlc drop we be back then..other games out like new Elden ring and fixed Starfield we play now"Remnant not forgotten tho....HOWever nerf to much why play to get weaker Be byebye game for 78% players 4 good...

We need more and better stuff. The nerfs are ruining the game man...

THANK YOU for this video, Chaos! I just cannot play R2 online right now, it's so broken. When everyone told Tragic he's nerfing too much, they were 1000% right. That's what happens when you only look at spreadsheets but don't test through playing.

Balance doesn't need to mean everything hits as hard as everything else, which I feel has been the goal of the last few updates. What it should mean is that this "OP" or "meta" build hits really hard in this way but I sacrifice "x"; DOT or Range or Skill/MOD, should all have their own strengths/ weaknesses and their own rewards for those play styles. Unfortunately, the balance changes have made any sort of gunplay a backup for when you have no mods or your skills are on cooldown.

Maybe Gunfire Games needs to see how Monster Hunter balance out weapons, not exactly like Monster Hunter, but maybe they get some ideas.

They wanted more build variety and seemed to achieve the opposite. You can’t even do hybrid builds anymore because of having to really dedicate towards a specific playstyle (DPS, Status, Mods, etc). Invoker was supposedly supposed to be a “slot-in” archetype that would benefit all builds. But they chose its main damage perk to be…elemental…like, huh? If anything Invoker should be all damage as it’s dmg perk. Change alchemist to elemental or something, and then scale back the Crit nerfs. Edit -I realize that way of Kaeula and sandstorm can make any build technically OP but the synergy and variety just isn’t there right now. Like, who is doing Invoker as a secondary right now? That’s more what I meant.

They should have everyone start new when DLC is introduced. Everyone has an over powered build and runs through the content in hours. I’m ready for the next round. I hear it’s N’Erud. 😳

The purpose is the style, if u want to play like a no hand sheet u use skills and mods, but if you want a challenge and improve your skills as a player u play ranged builds, its easy

The issu with the first game was that every thing was op then thay made every thing meh and only the slayer armour with the hunter pistol and the sniper crossbow was good for apoc so if this game terns out like that I'm getting rid of it and never looking back

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The biggest problem is the AOE attacks being just as strong as single target attacks. Stuff like firestorm/sandstorm should do way less damage when they can hit a whole boss room full of enemies at once. And the Archon skill should either do less damage or have a more focused attack that can't hit infinite targets

Watch them nerf archon/invoker now and think everything is fine again then lmao

Love your videos chaos, but here's two points to consider (1) The shortest time to kill isn't actually that important for the average gamer. Not everyone is trying to speed kill bosses. I think most gamers are fine even if it takes them like 2-3 minutes (or maybe more) to kill a boss. As long as there are a wide variety of builds that can do this, and there are, I'd say it's fine. Let the speedrunners have their 20 second boss kills, while also letting the average gamer kill a boss with whatever build they wish to play (2) I do 100% agree with you however that the game is busted. I've actually stopped playing the game since 2 or 3 weeks ago. Invoker is too strong. Sandstorm is too strong. When I went to the gun range to craft a new build, within a few minutes i just go "Ah why even bother, what's even the point" and just default back to some Invoker or Sandstorm related build. Guys like Sheen Shots and Bolt Jamison are fighting the good fight and trying to highlight builds that don't use Invoker or sandstorm, but it's a losing battle. That class and that mod is just fuck busted right now The reason the game is like this though is because the dev is trying to make people buy the DLC It kind of reminds me of the Ritualist problem we had the previous DLC Ritualist was hands down the most op class back then with unparalleled mob clearing capability, while also being able to keep up with the best boss killing builds Thing is though, at least Ritualist was just one op class. You can ignore it if you want to, there's room for other op builds to exist Invoker and sandstorm, otoh, makes whatever class or build you pair them with op So yes, instead of releasing a new op class for this DLC, the devs have gone ham and released a class/mod that makes ALL OTHER classes op Whatever build you're trying to craft, it can be made better just by adding Invoker and/or sandstorm to it The state of the game right now is basically- Idiot's guide to remnant: "struggling with your build? Not sure what to do? Just add Invoker or sandstorm! Or better yet, both!"

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Screw meta. Play your own build and have fun.

The fact that you cannot hide your backpack is the reason this game is dead.

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First of all, Gunfire Games did an amazing job on this game and will continue to support this game. I don’t want to sound too harsh especially with the game price and commitment the team has to the community. But one gripe I have with the game is what I call the “Illusion of Choice”. There are a lot of customization in the game but in reality it only boils down to a few via options. This is apparent in the newly released classes which have superior perks compared to your normal class. This in turn creates meta builds which destroys your freedom to create your own build. The team acknowledges this and has said they will fix the old classes so I don’t want to make a big deal out of it. However, currently status effect, HUGS, elemental damage are clear favorites. I hope they focus more on gimmicky weapons instead. I dont care much about broken builds, I want fun weapons. Taking advantage of class perks plus gimmicky weapons should be viable even in apocalypse. Otherwise there is the illusion of choice.

When you feel your gameplay experience is ruined because there's another build out there that is better than yours

Deff dying no one wants to play unless you got a team and usually full team your damage together to OP so even on apocalypse it's like nothing. Star pistol for example met someone 1 shooting bosses with it lol like why. Damage given and damage taken very broken it needs to be revamped spiced with wll new items big update add a season pass give people a reason to play

gunfire nerf mods because they are better than what i like to play! God forbid another HUGS build running probability cord and zanias malice isn't at the top of the charts

You guys are just salty that you can’t see big numbers popping since you have nothing else to do in the game but try and make cheesy OP builds. It was never really intended that apoc bosses get melted in 5 seconds. Everyone here knows this. The real issue with the game is all the AoE damage and status stacking. Adding a third archetype that can pile onto the other two AoE classes was bad design.