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This Is Why the U.S. Army Chose Sig Sauer Over Glock for Its New Handgun 

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In 2017, the U.S. Army announced that Sig Sauer won its XM17 Modular Handgun System competition. Sig Sauer beat out Glock Inc., FN America, and Beretta USA, the M9 9mm service pistol makers at the time, in the competition for the Modular Handgun System, or MHS, program.
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@davidgates1122
@davidgates1122 7 месяцев назад
Over 35 years of experience in the IT industry as a government contractor has taught me the rules of government contract awarding. It is the lowest bid that meets the requirements of the RFP. Since Glock was a finalist along with Sig, it is obvious they both met the requirements. It was the $102 million lower bid on Sig's part that resulted in their selection.
@foxmulderfbiufo1770
@foxmulderfbiufo1770 7 месяцев назад
This pops into my mind every time I hear a government contract has been awarded lol lowball = win
@eldridgedavis
@eldridgedavis 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely
@TineEdong
@TineEdong 7 месяцев назад
Mil spec, highest quality for the lowest price
@beesting6135
@beesting6135 7 месяцев назад
Trust me bro
@screwtape2713
@screwtape2713 7 месяцев назад
Well, you have two handguns that fundamentally have very little to choose between them as far as ease of use, maintenance, and reliability. But one of them costs almost 100% more than the other....
@davidherbst
@davidherbst 7 месяцев назад
I can see why saving $102 Million was a huge incentive for the Army. That'll buy three toilet seats and a hammer!
@lightningdriver81
@lightningdriver81 7 месяцев назад
Ha-ha, a good one.👍
@TineEdong
@TineEdong 7 месяцев назад
Biden economics lol
@anthonybmwsoldat1530
@anthonybmwsoldat1530 7 месяцев назад
and none of them will work.
@RespectMyAuthoritaah
@RespectMyAuthoritaah 7 месяцев назад
LOL
@j.kelley1685
@j.kelley1685 7 месяцев назад
​ you must have been living under a rock your whole life
@bzman2946
@bzman2946 6 месяцев назад
Watching this video, I was surprised how many people did not know how to grip the handgun.
@everettstewart7844
@everettstewart7844 5 месяцев назад
For real
@OneWildTurkey
@OneWildTurkey 5 месяцев назад
Gripping the handgun should always be practiced with many different attempts. When you get to the point you need a handgun, it's unlikely you'll be using the same stance and/or grip.
@USCtrojanFootball1
@USCtrojanFootball1 2 месяца назад
It's like the trainers don't even deal with that, just point & shoot
@jeanburgos3416
@jeanburgos3416 2 месяца назад
100%. Every Army video shows the same problem. Most of the range time is the M4/M16 as the primary weapon. Not every soldier is assigned a side arm. So most people don't have the proper training to be proficient with the pistol. However, they still qualify which speaks volumes of the precision of the pistol I enjoyed it.
@TheJeevo92
@TheJeevo92 Месяц назад
It really bothered me.
@archipelago93
@archipelago93 6 месяцев назад
3:26 wtf is that stance & grip? No way that guy is serious 😂
@andrsnclyde894
@andrsnclyde894 5 месяцев назад
The times they are a changin', as is the military readiness.
@W3_WuZ-Kaaaaangz
@W3_WuZ-Kaaaaangz 5 месяцев назад
He's actually the best in his class!
@OneWildTurkey
@OneWildTurkey 5 месяцев назад
Stance and grip are good plans. They always say - no plans survive first contact.
@Joetrout
@Joetrout 5 месяцев назад
But yet he had the balls to join in while you play keyboard army
@Guido_XL
@Guido_XL 4 месяца назад
It seems to me that the stiffness of his new gloves impedes a more natural grip. I hope it is that, and not his intuition that makes him do that. I mean, I do airsoft skirms every now and then, and I practice with my airsoft replicas all the time, including all kinds of handguns, ranging from Walther PPQ to Desert Eagle. Although I don't shoot real rounds, I know how to handle a pistol, assault rifle, marksman rifle, and sniper rifle. Weight and proportions are similar to the real steel. But I cannot imagine as how to get myself to hold a pistol like that, except for some condition that eludes me.
@TJ-ji4gn
@TJ-ji4gn 7 месяцев назад
Sig had the added feature of being able to shoot the enemy when they force you to drop the gun.
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic 7 месяцев назад
HA! good one.
@Tango1911
@Tango1911 7 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@George-vf7ss
@George-vf7ss 7 месяцев назад
That's funny.
@hogdown2489
@hogdown2489 7 месяцев назад
Talk on, talk on ! Truer words were never spoken 😅
@Hp.Flaco215
@Hp.Flaco215 7 месяцев назад
Lmaoooo 😂
@smicksmookety
@smicksmookety 7 месяцев назад
3:27 looks like this dude's first time handling a pistol.
@vanarcken113
@vanarcken113 6 месяцев назад
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
@panther7584
@panther7584 6 месяцев назад
and his helm hanging down
@spookypineapple
@spookypineapple 6 месяцев назад
Hahaha brand new Army Officer right there.
@mrnoname6327
@mrnoname6327 6 месяцев назад
Came here to say that exact thing...
@patrikosgnach
@patrikosgnach 6 месяцев назад
He looks scared
@michaeld8980
@michaeld8980 4 месяца назад
"This is not about Glock., This is not about Sig. And it's not about the U.S. Army. Its also not about those that are on the ground, in harms way. It's about the lowest bid" - The screaming truth in the quiet parts.
@diosdadoapias
@diosdadoapias Месяц назад
yes the best quality at the lowest price, and not the best quality at the highest price.
@SeaShanty2016
@SeaShanty2016 2 месяца назад
A huge factor for me would be the ease of disassembly/assembly. During my time in the South African defence force (70’s) our handgun was the 9mm Star BM. The constant dust in the African bush made it necessary to often clean the weapon and I don’t know how many times in the pitch dark night a slip of the fingers in clipping back the barrel bushing resulted in it and the spring going flying off in the dark, leaving the soldier with nothing more than a piece of metal to club the enemy.😄
@freegeorgia4808
@freegeorgia4808 Месяц назад
Glock will shoot full of dirt and grime. It keeps going and going
@WaxP357
@WaxP357 7 месяцев назад
“If you pull a pistol in the middle of combat, you are in deep” - that really hit home
@robertwebb8511
@robertwebb8511 7 месяцев назад
Truth in that
@midgetydeath
@midgetydeath 7 месяцев назад
Or fighting in a cramped building. Which is probably worse.
@mikegreen5596
@mikegreen5596 7 месяцев назад
Only Use your pistol to fight your way to a rifle
@Ihatezidiotz
@Ihatezidiotz 6 месяцев назад
lol.. yep.. a self firing weapon is great if you get disabled.
@AugustKling
@AugustKling 6 месяцев назад
deep state is working
@LeaderRakkasan
@LeaderRakkasan 7 месяцев назад
3:26 Leadership needs to show this man how to shoot a pistol correctly
@pedroparamo-fw6ez
@pedroparamo-fw6ez 6 месяцев назад
He is not a soldier, he is an actor with a military suit.
@Revilerify
@Revilerify 6 месяцев назад
Get him a proper sized helmet too.
@les3449
@les3449 5 месяцев назад
As a former small arms instructor I thought the same thing.
@RTS907
@RTS907 5 месяцев назад
I looking if anyone was thinking the same. Holy crap on a cracker…
@DevonLadd
@DevonLadd 3 месяца назад
@@pedroparamo-fw6ezthank you haha, this video was made off of that subscription service where you can get professional footage of anything, Cant remember the name rn, but thats what you're bound to find, not actual military footage
@davidruff4826
@davidruff4826 5 месяцев назад
I've got both Sig and Glock pistols. I've got several and used to love shooting my Sig P220 and P229. I love my Sigs, but I'd rather have a Glock for combat. My opinion is its more robust, has tons of extras (like full auto adapters, mag extensions, etc.), and the trigger safety is preferable for when you need to quickly draw and fire the weapon from the holster/hip. From personal experience I'd choose the Glock.
@REB4444
@REB4444 2 месяца назад
Sig is the only one with an extensive, documented track record in combat & trigger safety isn't what Glock is known for. So go figure.
@mbryred
@mbryred 2 месяца назад
I agree, from personal experience also. When bullets are flying, the less complex the weapon the better. I've used the Glock in all kinds of weather and conditions. In 50 below temperatures, the holster might freeze up some, but the weapon always worked.
@mrg09211976
@mrg09211976 2 месяца назад
@@REB4444 Glock has a documented record of being one of hte most reliable guns on the planet. I've put around 2k rounds down range in both my M17 and my Glock 17 and the glock has had less overall issues. If I had to go into combat again I would take a Glock over the Sig.
@richcook2007
@richcook2007 2 месяца назад
If your in combat with a pistol your farked.
@mrg09211976
@mrg09211976 2 месяца назад
@@richcook2007 depends they work great in CQC and in buildings. Not a big fan of the 9mm, but the newer 9mm work great except for the ball ammo the military uses.
@gerardflynn7382
@gerardflynn7382 3 месяца назад
The only reason why they went for the Sig was the price. But price isn't everything. Cheaper components does not necessarily mean better.
@cremonster
@cremonster 2 месяца назад
The Army is like that with everything from tanks to pencils, if they can get it done cheaper, that's the option they'll go for. Sometimes the quality is the the same, but a lot of times it isn't. I don't think SIG has an inferior product though
@michaellyons9640
@michaellyons9640 2 месяца назад
what do you think "military grade" means ? its the cheapest bidder
@adods9824
@adods9824 Месяц назад
Cheaper components would frequently mean worse, not better
@southernindianacompetitive9040
@southernindianacompetitive9040 7 месяцев назад
Yikes! some of those shooters look like it is their first time shooting a gun.
@petehaack5228
@petehaack5228 7 месяцев назад
I almost died at 4:58, lol
@southernindianacompetitive9040
@southernindianacompetitive9040 7 месяцев назад
@@petehaack5228 Yeah I thought I was watching some police drama from the 1970's with that grip!
@Grouse2275
@Grouse2275 7 месяцев назад
It probably was their first time and I wouldn’t say that the military puts all much time into pistol training for most soldiers.
@petehaack5228
@petehaack5228 7 месяцев назад
@Grouse2275 Accurate statement. I was an ASARIQ guy (up to .50 cal) and we only had people shoot 40 round quals once a year. With a one for one brass turn also, no one wanted to do much shooting either as it required crawling around in the overgrown range grass, trying to find each casing. And no, we didn't bring excess brass as if you got caught during a spot check, you were going to have a nice chat with the folks from CID.
@microcolonel
@microcolonel 7 месяцев назад
If you think that's bad, you should see how average police are with handguns, especially unloading them, holstering and unholstering...
@andrewmason4552
@andrewmason4552 7 месяцев назад
"Remember that all your equipment was made by the lowest bidder." -Sarge Pepper, China Beach.
@kpdvw
@kpdvw 5 месяцев назад
as were the NASA Space shuttles......
@muzzlebrake100
@muzzlebrake100 5 месяцев назад
Just like the M16 I went to Vietnam with. We actually thought they were made in a Matel Toy factory.
@patthonsirilim5739
@patthonsirilim5739 4 месяца назад
@@muzzlebrake100 your not entirely wrong early ar15 variants being made out of bakelite are found in alot of toys back in the day.
@searchforthetruth1998
@searchforthetruth1998 4 месяца назад
@@muzzlebrake100there was literally a batch of m16’s made by Mattel for the war effort that gave that rumor wings
@user-ps1ft1hy4j
@user-ps1ft1hy4j 2 месяца назад
To paraphrase Neil Armstrong, IIRC, on sitting on top of the rocket that would take him to the moon, "I can't tell you how comforting it is to be sitting on top of a bomb made of a million parts, each by the lowest bidder."
@communistgreyman2078
@communistgreyman2078 4 месяца назад
If I won a bid for being $102m under the next bid I would fire myself 😂
@matthewdeancole
@matthewdeancole 4 месяца назад
Sig Sauer also got contracts with the army for the new infantry rifle (XM7) and machine gun (XM250).
@dannoringer
@dannoringer 3 месяца назад
OK, so who in congress gets the kick back ?
@DustDevilRage
@DustDevilRage 3 месяца назад
@@dannoringer That’s some scary 💩.
@thomaswolf6507
@thomaswolf6507 2 месяца назад
new rifle is aids army gonna be BEGGING for their old guns back lmao
@dannoringer
@dannoringer 2 месяца назад
@@thomaswolf6507 They're trying to break the back of GI's by coming up with the most heavy gun, etc. they can. AR-15 bored with 5.56NATO is better.
@dannoringer
@dannoringer 2 месяца назад
@@thomaswolf6507 Yeah, all the extra weight gonna really slow the GI's down if they have to march anywhere.
@Johnthedagger
@Johnthedagger 7 месяцев назад
Love watching Sig and Glock fans get after it while most of us just buy both and appreciate them both for what they are... pretty great guns overall
@batistanore
@batistanore 7 месяцев назад
Thats what i did
@junnijune6597
@junnijune6597 7 месяцев назад
@@batistanoreSame here. I like them both.
@Shackleford_Rusty
@Shackleford_Rusty 7 месяцев назад
Same but those on active duty deserve the best we can offer and a lot of service men are reporting frame failures and parts failures.
@mattmurphy7030
@mattmurphy7030 7 месяцев назад
@@Shackleford_Rustygive literally one piece of evidence of that. I won’t wait
@jonathanreal5644
@jonathanreal5644 7 месяцев назад
As an army Airborne Infantryman i have to say i like the m17, no complaints here.
@opinionatedpossum1945
@opinionatedpossum1945 7 месяцев назад
Murphy's Law of Combat: "Always remember your weapon was made by the lowest bidder."
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 7 месяцев назад
The lower bidder that met the specs... which is much different from what you are attempting to imply here.
@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95
@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95 7 месяцев назад
@@thomgizziz Yeah these guys are off. If I want a car that will go 0-60 in 10 seconds or less and last me 250k miles or whatever, why would I be wrong for buying a toyota or honda when I could buy the customcar2000? Yeah it isnt the best car out there but if it does what I want it to do whats the problem? Change your requirements if they arent what you actually needed lol
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@thomgizziz The P320 actually didn't meet the specs. That was the whole controversy around it being picked. The trials were halted as soon as Sig announced their bid price which was cheaper than a Hi point.
@jerryhammack1318
@jerryhammack1318 7 месяцев назад
Amen! Your weapons and ammo are made too easy for military service! In bulk and you must make the most with what you have ! And you question why you volunteered for this!
@etherealicer
@etherealicer 7 месяцев назад
And we probably also should talk about the ammo. And of course quality of the guns sent in for testing vs. quality of guns delivered for the soldiers.
@philippekogler
@philippekogler 7 месяцев назад
And the Navy S.E.A.L.s chose..........Glock 19.
@dannoringer
@dannoringer 3 месяца назад
That would be my choice.
@Eagle-EX
@Eagle-EX 3 месяца назад
They also have Sig P226s in their armories and H&K USP 45s and Mk23s. The P226 is still used pretty regularly, it’s all by the individual operators choice of what’s available in the armory.
@Jrsydevil7
@Jrsydevil7 3 месяца назад
FYI, you're correct but the P226/MK25 is being fazed out for the Glock 19/Mk27's. The Glock 19 is smaller, lighter and holds the same amount of rounds, and will accept 17rd Glock 17 mags, which you can get +2 to +5 magazine extensions. So with a 15rd Glock 19 mag with a +2 extension you're at the same capacity as 17rd Glock 17, with a +5 extension you're at 20rds, with a +2 extension on a 17rd Glock 17 mag you're at 19rds and with a +5 extension you're at 22rds with a 17rd Glock 17 mag. Also with the Glock 19 you've got 1 trigger pull to learn, with the Sig P226, you've got a DA/SA trigger pull. It's also more concealible for when they do plain clothes operations, there's a huge aftermarket for Glock 19's vs Sig P226's, holsters, sights, ect... ect... Another thing is that they wanted to shave weight wherever they could, ounces equals pounds pounds equals pain. So if they can lighen up their handgun and whatnot that's value added. Hey I'm a Sig guy but if I had to carry a handgun into combat, I'd probably go with a Glock 19, if someone handed me a Sig P226 or Sig P229, I would gladly take it.
@dannoringer
@dannoringer 3 месяца назад
@@Jrsydevil7 If I was in a war zone, I'd get a glock 19 to carry. I think sig is a great company with a lot of capability, but if my life is on the line I will not carry a gun that could jam on me when i need it the most to protect my life. Could Sig design out the jamming problem ? Probably. Have they yet ? NO.
@Jrsydevil7
@Jrsydevil7 3 месяца назад
@dannoringer no, I hear ya. I'd carry a Glock 19 too, but like I said if someone handed me a P226 or a P229 I'd carry that too. As far as a jamming issue, I've never heard of either one of those jamming, I've shot thousands of rounds through my P229's and never had 1 jam. I did have the slide fail to lock back but that was operator error, my thumb was riding the slide stop lever. I just learned to move my thumb so as not to hold it down. But the funny thing is I have had a stove pipe with a Glock during a Glock instructors class, myself and the instructor from Glock basically chalked it up to a dirty gun, it was a fluke malfunction. I took it home detail stripped the gun that night, cleaned and lubricated it and it ran flawlessly for the rest of the class. One more thing about the Sigs though, the Navy has been running Sig P226's (i.e. Mk25's SEALs) up until they finally replaced them with Glocks so about 20-30+ yrs and I've never heard one bad thing about them. The only "bad" thing that I guess that you could say was that the original P226/Mk25's had frames cracked along with the breach block pins that hold the slides together during testing. But the Beretta's had slide separation, I also know that SWCC's used the P228's and they liked those too.
@DavidDeshane-ic4cg
@DavidDeshane-ic4cg 2 месяца назад
It's because sig donated more to politicians.
@timmotel5804
@timmotel5804 Месяц назад
That's Possible... Best Regards
@diosdadoapias
@diosdadoapias Месяц назад
no, you think negatively. You did not consider that Sig offered the lowest bid to the government. bidding is to have the best quality at the lowest price. It is not the to have the best quality at the highest price.
@billpoynter108
@billpoynter108 7 месяцев назад
From a maintenaince standpoint, the sig frame cam be replaced as it gets worn or damaged without replacing the serial number. This makes it much easier to replace the part.
@LawlessNate
@LawlessNate 7 месяцев назад
Polymer frames are not typically a ware point in pistols. The replaceable frames offer absolutely 0 real world benefit for a military. Soldiers are not going to swap out frames nor are the armorers going to want to provide such a capability. The military doesn't benefit from any legality concerning the chassis considering it isn't subject to any firearms legislation as it is. The chassis requirement was clearly decided by Sig Sauer and the US military prior to the contract to artificially limit competition.
@Maverick1944
@Maverick1944 7 месяцев назад
@@LawlessNate”not typically a wear point” sounds like you haven’t seen some arms rooms out there… I’ve heard and seen some horror stories that even if the frame is swappable is a plus…
@LawlessNate
@LawlessNate 7 месяцев назад
@@Maverick1944 On a metal framed pistol that has a hundred thousand rounds of .45 through it? Maybe. A polymer framed pistol with 9mm? That's not going to ware out. You aren't going to shoot enough rounds through it to wear it out. Other things in the gun will break before the frame. There are polymer framed pistols documented to have several hundred thousands rounds through them, and their frames aren't breaking. Also, if anything, the chassis of a 320 itself is likely to wear out before a traditional polymer framed pistol's frame ever would.
@Maverick1944
@Maverick1944 7 месяцев назад
@@LawlessNate guess my point was missed, I’m not talking about just shooting the gun, I’m also talking about pure neglect on the part of some soldiers. I’ve seen guys treat M4s like garbage. One soldier was asked to move the M4s a few yards to get them out of the way and the guy was pushing them over with his feet before he was stopped by his CO and corrected. There are already reports of polymer frames breaking in extreme cold. So having that replaceable seems like a pretty nice feature without having to replace the entire gun.
@Ihatezidiotz
@Ihatezidiotz 6 месяцев назад
@@Maverick1944 if neglect and abuse are an issue, id go Glock every day of the week and twice on weekends if my life depended on it working.
@DecayingReality
@DecayingReality 7 месяцев назад
Is no one going to mention how they hold and grip them pistols? This concerns me...
@alfayadh
@alfayadh 7 месяцев назад
I cringed How is the army training these days ?
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic 7 месяцев назад
The design of the Sig grip makes it harder to maintain a high purchase compared to a Glock. Consequently, muzzle flip is much worse.
@DecayingReality
@DecayingReality 7 месяцев назад
@@RU-vidHandlesAreMoronic I own 4 different variants and have not once “tea cuped” my firearm…the big f up sig did was not release it in a 1911 style grip. For me I have banana hands so the original frame wasn’t awful but a 320 in a 1911 frame is a game changer. A 320 in a steel frame is even better.
@MrPerry61
@MrPerry61 7 месяцев назад
@@DecayingReality try the P80 grip module for the P320. It totally changed the shooting dynamics.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@alfayadh DOD kicked out all the senior cadre so now no one in the DoD knows how to do anything anymore. Like the amount of training accidents with aircraft and naval exercises is absolutely horrendous. Like we are almost getting more casualties right now than the entire GWOT.
@HandyMan657
@HandyMan657 6 месяцев назад
I found both to work quite well. No issues with either.
@patrickburns8033
@patrickburns8033 2 месяца назад
Could never stand that Glock trigger, I like something that feels less like a kid's toy. Prefer my IWI 941F Jericho.
@lesliescofield8763
@lesliescofield8763 6 месяцев назад
Technically, the first modular handgun from Sig wasn't the P320. It was its predecessor, the Sig P250. It was also built around a fire control unit with changable slides, grips, and caliburs. The difference is that it's a double action only hammer fired system as opposed to the striker fire of the P320 and probably one of the reasons it was eventually discontinued, but it did lay the groundwork for this concept. Sig was probably able to do this cheaper because it probably wouldn't have cost as much to change already existing manufacturing tools from the P250 to the P320 versus having to build it from scratch like the other companies would need to do.
@jeffshootsstuff
@jeffshootsstuff 7 месяцев назад
3:24 Gomer shoots a handgun for the first time
@Takedownairsoft1
@Takedownairsoft1 7 месяцев назад
😂
@raymankirkman8108
@raymankirkman8108 7 месяцев назад
5:22 is wearing gardening gloves 😅
@toxico1152
@toxico1152 7 месяцев назад
The cringe factor is high
@AlbertaGeek
@AlbertaGeek 7 месяцев назад
Right? I don't even shoot, and I knew that was incredibly poor form. But I wouldn't blame him, I'd blame his instructors.
@hankgoldenshaft
@hankgoldenshaft 7 месяцев назад
Quite possibly the gayest presentation of a firearm I’ve ever seen
@shutterbug1076
@shutterbug1076 7 месяцев назад
As a police officer of over 20 years, I have been always been a glock guy. In the past few years I have purchased 3 Sigs. The Sig P365, P322 and recently a P365 X Macro. Glock dropped the ball in the concealed carry market for sure. The capacity and size of a Sig P365 and P365 X Macro is a game changer. After thousands of rounds through the P365, I've yet to have a single malfunction.
@kwinzman
@kwinzman 7 месяцев назад
But the 365s are prone to corrosion, right? I'd rather have an FN Reflex.
@shutterbug1076
@shutterbug1076 7 месяцев назад
@@kwinzman I've never heard of that issue and I have never had that issue while carrying a P365 over the past few years.
@josephp1592
@josephp1592 7 месяцев назад
@@kwinzman My g42 rusted to hell after 3 months in a texas summer. Ive carried my 365 for close to two years and it doesnt have a speck of rust on it
@gkft
@gkft 7 месяцев назад
As somebody who owns multiple Sig and Glock products myself, the Sig P365 and P320 are two totally different products with drastically differing user bases and experiences. It should be mentioned that since its release, the P320 has been plagued with numerous safety and reliability issues, and numerous Law Enforcement departments won't even go near them due to the liability (or perceived liability), especially considering the numerous reports of firearms discharging while in holsters or when dropped. AFAIK the P365 models do not suffer from this issue, but it should also be mentioned that Sig as a company has been known to release products to the public without extensive testing prior, and then making changes to the product after a significant amount of a particular issue becomes apparent, essentially letting its customers be the (unknowing) beta testers of new products. With a new model Glock you can expect it to perform as reliable as any of the previous models, and to many this is extremely important.
@Diso1017
@Diso1017 7 месяцев назад
I run the Glock 43x with shield mags for my concealed carry and have zero problems
@Steve_K2
@Steve_K2 6 месяцев назад
Fort Bragg, 2000, was the first time I fired the Beretta M9. Don't know why but it felt so "right" and it surprised me to see one pop-up target after another go down. Finished 50 for 50. Never did so well on subsequent ranges but always fired Expert. Disassembly and reassembly seemed easy, too, as I'm reminded by my new Hellcat Pro. Maybe the weaker springs and more slop on the Beretta due to my not being the first to have shot and cleaned it. I wonder why the Beretta dropped out of the running. For my money it was a great gun.
@archipelago93
@archipelago93 6 месяцев назад
Beretta didn’t drop out. They just weren’t selected. The Beretta APX was also in this competition. Both it and latest iteration of the M9 made it far in the trials, but ultimately Sig won the competition. Oddly enough, the APX is the only other finalist I’m aware of that met the *actual* core requirement of the contract-ie being modular.
@mgmadani1
@mgmadani1 5 месяцев назад
Don You Mean The US Military was not Able to Find Out The disfonction of The Glock 20;years ago, It a Matter of Business
@luddite4change449
@luddite4change449 7 месяцев назад
There were plenty of better guns on the market. This met the specs and was cheapest. There wasn't anything wrong with the M9 other than they had been worn out. The only reason the 1911 stayed around so long was that there were so many made in WWII, that it took until the late 70s for the supply to get critical.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
On point. The price was the sole reason the M9 was being replaced and the price was the only reason the sig was chosen. It didn't even pass any of the reliability trials which is why we got that silly dropping AD issue out the gate. But, its an entire handgun weapon system sold for the same price as a Hi point, any military would be stupid not to jump on that deal. Even if groups like SOCOM picked up Glocks instead, having a large supply of insanely cheap handguns to throw into circulation is well worth the purchase.
@luddite4change449
@luddite4change449 7 месяцев назад
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj Military Grade equals good enough.
@russellking9762
@russellking9762 7 месяцев назад
They should have looked at the Steyr M1
@iviekicklighte673
@iviekicklighte673 7 месяцев назад
Yeah but they ran an ass load of ammo through the 1911s every one was on a 9 mm kick
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 7 месяцев назад
In the XM9 program, the 1911 was the control weapon and, to the rules of the competition, to obtain a significantly lower score than the 1911 in even one of the tests meant to be kicked out of it. The entries had to demonstrate to be better weapons than the one they replaced. In the XM17 program, there was not a M9 around to be seen.
@bloodpheonix46vincent89
@bloodpheonix46vincent89 7 месяцев назад
Have both Sig and the Beretta, Love em BOTH, both have been extremely accurate and wonderful reliable👊🏻👊🏻
@DeadRingerMachine
@DeadRingerMachine 7 месяцев назад
I personally think the US military has made great handgun decisions over the last 100 years. The 1911 > M9 > M17 is a really good track record actually. I just hope the same can be said about our new combat rifle... A new supplier, piston operated, an all-new round... A lot of changes being made at once.
@71sagittarius
@71sagittarius 2 месяца назад
Accuracy brother is the device behind the gun. Obviously you are doing great job.
@bryanhaycock672
@bryanhaycock672 6 месяцев назад
"[Glock] uses a metal barrel." A metal barrel? Wow that's ingenious. Who is this video for?
@100nakpvp2
@100nakpvp2 9 дней назад
Feds: So you're slightly worse than your competitor. What kind of price can you offer? - Over 100 million dollars cheaper. Feds: Ohh
@PocketDrummer
@PocketDrummer 7 месяцев назад
Why is every quote from someone at Glock and not anyone from Sig?
@Asidebar
@Asidebar 7 месяцев назад
Because the Glock pistols are the most popular and best ever. That Sig 320 SUCKS!
@deluxalpha4138
@deluxalpha4138 7 месяцев назад
@@Asidebar i can assure Glock is definitely not the best, i had a Glock 35 and the Glock 41, they both gave me nothing but constant jams even thought i tried different ammo brands and constantly cleaned them but nothing seemed to work
@deltavee2
@deltavee2 7 месяцев назад
Because when you're the best ou don't have to make a bunch of racket. It's just known.
@zesolodar
@zesolodar 7 месяцев назад
@@deluxalpha4138 that weird i have a glock 19 and 17, had the 19 for 5 years ran thousands of rounds through them never have had an issue once
@Richard-ud1xk
@Richard-ud1xk 7 месяцев назад
@@deluxalpha4138 I have a Glock 22 that I have run over 20,000 rounds without cleaning. I have had only two issues and both were ammo related, not the gun
@warmachine1770
@warmachine1770 7 месяцев назад
I had an M9 in the early 90s as an Infantryman,I always qualified Expert at the range,I enjoyed carrying it.😊
@DustDevilRage
@DustDevilRage 3 месяца назад
I was military during the Beretta days, wasn’t a fan of it. I’ve worked for three different law enforcement agencies and among those three agencies I was at one time issued the following sidearms in the following order: Glock 22 Sig 229 .40 Glock 21SF Sig 229 .357 Sig Glock 19 Two of my three agencies used the Sig at some point. Both got rid of them, at some point.
@OldManLife50s
@OldManLife50s 2 месяца назад
Fort Moore Army Base just “lost” 31 of these pistols from a secure facility ran by civilians…and the civilians are still working there. 😮
@mudbutton2
@mudbutton2 7 месяцев назад
Seriously, how often are the modular features really going to be used in a military handgun?
@liu6898
@liu6898 7 месяцев назад
realistically, never
@SCH292
@SCH292 7 месяцев назад
Ikr. Our enemies are not using .357 Sig or 40 cal. They either be using 9mm, 9x18 or 7.62x25. The police departments throughout USA? Well. I don't know any police that uses .357 sig. Also police department isn't like us who switch caliber carry all the time.
@henryhernandez4631
@henryhernandez4631 7 месяцев назад
S serial numbers are only on Tigger guard
@DB.KOOPER
@DB.KOOPER 7 месяцев назад
Never. SIG buys contracts they dont earn them.
@jmanswat2457
@jmanswat2457 7 месяцев назад
You never know. But they want that ability more than pompous glock telling them what they will or won't need.
@TheRetiredVeteran
@TheRetiredVeteran 7 месяцев назад
I always liked the Beretta. I retired from the military over sixteen years ago.
@PurpleBossonius
@PurpleBossonius 6 месяцев назад
M1911: Am I joke to you...
@TheRetiredVeteran
@TheRetiredVeteran 6 месяцев назад
@@PurpleBossonius What?
@mitherapeuticmassage
@mitherapeuticmassage 6 месяцев назад
@@TheRetiredVeteranThe M1911 was the longest standing pistol issued to military personnel.
@TheRetiredVeteran
@TheRetiredVeteran 6 месяцев назад
@@mitherapeuticmassage I know that. I served on active duty for over twenty-one years. The Beretta was in use while I was in the military. As a commissioned officer I carried the Beretta as my side arm.
@bobsch-gd6ze
@bobsch-gd6ze 5 месяцев назад
and what was the issue with the 92F back in the day ??
@kenmartin1919
@kenmartin1919 6 месяцев назад
I carried an Sig 40 cal for 4 year as a Leo and switched to an Sig 9mm for 5 years. My agency switched to the Glock (9mm) I had never held, shot, or cleaned a Glock. I was amazed (fractions of seconds) how much quicker I could re-acquire aim for long distance shooting with the Glock very 1st time using it. I feel in love with that, its ease of cleaning, and its simplicity of design. Even my draw was better. Sig is the Swiss watch of pistols (at least back when I was a Leo) but the Glock was my brut force reliable friend when needed.
@tjn2254
@tjn2254 5 месяцев назад
Glocks are definitely easy shooters
@narong1204
@narong1204 6 месяцев назад
Sig’s contract is somehow cheaper, but M18s cost slightly more than G19s in the stores
@Kelvin-H.
@Kelvin-H. 7 месяцев назад
Being retired Army, I got to enjoy the original 1911(45) and the M-9, but I'm now a 2011 fan.
@lethalbutterknife3409
@lethalbutterknife3409 7 месяцев назад
Appreciate your service boss! Did you like the M9? Have several buddies that were GWOT Rangers and they either loved it or hated it. Always thought it was interesting.
@Kelvin-H.
@Kelvin-H. 7 месяцев назад
Coming from the 1911(45), it was a huge upgrade, so me and friends really enjoyed it and love going to the range to shoot it, use to run from the range with that old ass 1911.@@lethalbutterknife3409
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@lethalbutterknife3409 The M9 wouldn't have been bad if the military changed their training to allow a hammer back carry. Because they require decocking, your first shot is heavy and long compared to the subsequent shots. This is exceptionally bad because the first rounds on target are what matter the most. You can train around it, but its a pointless time sink when training should be applied to other aspects of weapon handling. Lots of Rangers carry glocks now AFAIK, so the issue is pretty much moot.
@joesnuffy7310
@joesnuffy7310 7 месяцев назад
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj I loathed the slide mounted safety…
@sfla4x4molonlabe66
@sfla4x4molonlabe66 7 месяцев назад
Glock and SIG both have a proven track record but I am partial to the P226. As far as I am concerned that is the only SIG that is really battle tested. Glock’s rock folks so don’t be hatin…. God bless all of you and Happy New Year!
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
Glock is "battle tested". It has been used in SOCOM for well over a decade, not to mention it is adopted in a lot of countries militaries around the world and 3D printed glocks have been used by insurgency forces in civil wars throughout the world for about the last 6 years or so.
@nickinge617
@nickinge617 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, Mr. Molon Labe here knows nothing of “battle,” and what the folks who actually “battle” carry.
@pfury67
@pfury67 7 месяцев назад
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj SOCOM folks get to use what they want though :p
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@pfury67 The glocks were actually standardized because of the demand. The official format is kind of weird though, it's a full sized frame but a compact slide or something like that.
@DeadRingerMachine
@DeadRingerMachine 7 месяцев назад
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj He didn't say Glocks AREN'T battle tested, he even said they HAVE a proven track record and they rock. So why do you get defensive over absolutely nothing?
@hounddog946
@hounddog946 Месяц назад
That $102 million they saved went to Ukrain.
@HeavyK.
@HeavyK. 5 месяцев назад
I like the p320 xl. It bounces right back at what I was aiming at. Good stuff.
@andyw237
@andyw237 7 месяцев назад
Sig was the only manufacturer to actually READ the contract, and all of its long term requirements. Logistics is a huge part of it, and that's where most of the submitted brands historically fail.
@Shintenzu
@Shintenzu 7 месяцев назад
It was called the MODULAR handgun system competition. Glock didn't even read the assignment and still made it to 2nd place.
@aliceakosota797
@aliceakosota797 7 месяцев назад
Glock made modularity with it's changeable back straps not the chassis system
@Shintenzu
@Shintenzu 7 месяцев назад
@@aliceakosota797 "MHS requirements called for a non-caliber-specific weapon with modular features that allowed adaptation of various fire control devices, pistol grips, and alternative magazine options. This weapon fits a variety of hand sizes and is equipped with a targeting enabler using a Picatinny rail" Glock: Erm... we have backstraps.
@89dhvac
@89dhvac 7 месяцев назад
Glock: your not going to use all that nonsense anyway so we are not giving it to you. Thank goodness Glock didn’t win. They’d be even harder to get and more expensive if they had! And their qc would probably suffer as Sigs has.
@mainnn113
@mainnn113 7 месяцев назад
​@@Shintenzudoesn't matter what you think.. SF and Ranger Batt don't care about budget or logistics. Only reliability and capability. And they all still run glocks. Ask me how I know. Glock is the true winner, and any service member that actually kicks doors and uses their weapons outside the range knows this.
@MrJloa
@MrJloa 2 месяца назад
102 mil is nothing for the army 😂 Its like going to Starbucks few times
@WallaceDunn
@WallaceDunn 6 месяцев назад
Sig with this contract now provides the US Army squad rifle to replace the SAW, the individual rifle, and the sidearm... sounds like a clean sweep. Sig is the second oldest pistol manufacturer in the World.
@woody357
@woody357 Месяц назад
That doesn’t replace the SAW.
@octavian1783
@octavian1783 7 месяцев назад
I still don't know how Glock managed to stay in the trials as it isn't modular, which was one of the requirements of the trials.
@nickl3872
@nickl3872 7 месяцев назад
Ummm 47
@Nuke-China
@Nuke-China 7 месяцев назад
Do you know the contract requirements? Glock met all of them.
@YellowjacketGTO
@YellowjacketGTO 7 месяцев назад
Its why they lost they did not meet the req. Easy peasy.
@octavian1783
@octavian1783 7 месяцев назад
@@Nuke-China "Handgun technology has advanced significantly thanks to lighter-weight materials, ergonomics and accessory rails since 1986, when the M9 entered the Army's inventory," Dawson said. "The Army is seeking a handgun system that outperforms the current M9 system. It also must be modular, meaning it allows adjustments to fit all hand sizes."
@ilm-def8920
@ilm-def8920 7 месяцев назад
@@octavian1783 The Glock more than met the requirements. The M17/18 only have interchangeable grip frames over the Glock not having them. Since then, the Military is staying with a standard frame size and not giving servicemembers an option for changing grip sizes so that is a moot point. The rest of the attachments criteria are the same.
@wrigman
@wrigman 7 месяцев назад
Back in the 70’s there were two fighter jet company’s trying for a new government contract for the next multi roll fighter. Two aircraft fought it out, F16 and F20. The F20 was faster, more maneuverable, went further on a full load or fuel, was cheaper to maintain and cost less. The F16 got picked up. Now the F16 has been a good aircraft, but, the F20 would have the better fighter to go with. Our government doesn’t always go with the best option……..
@petehaack5228
@petehaack5228 7 месяцев назад
The Army told the Air Force "hold my beer" and just wait until you see what the Army picked for future vertical lift, lol. I did shoot the new M17, though, after carrying the M9 for around 30 years and the M10 .38 revolver before that, and I surprised myself by actually really liking it.
@MichaelGarcia001
@MichaelGarcia001 7 месяцев назад
saying that the F20 "would have been better" is an unprovable statement and therefore a fallacy.
@MrPerry61
@MrPerry61 7 месяцев назад
The F20 was a big failure world wide, only a couple of poorer countries chose it. The F16 is still breaking records and outflying anything the enemy has. In a close in dogfight the F16 will out maneuver a F35 or F22.
@glennsammon4465
@glennsammon4465 7 месяцев назад
I have always liked the F20. even a trainer version of that would have been better than the new T-7
@wrigman
@wrigman 7 месяцев назад
@@MichaelGarcia001 I worked for Northrop in 1978 - 1984. I will admit to being bias. However nothing I stated was false. Three independent print articles made the statements I made. One of them Air&space magazine, others were trade magazines. If you flew F16’s or worked for General Dynamics, I can understand your comments…..
@lytening79
@lytening79 5 месяцев назад
Ghosting the trigger is a reference to the Movie. Since we can’t be there with you, we have to wrap our hands around yours and feel the trigger along with you. In other words, you are the Demi Moore and we are Patrick Swayze (RIP). Lol. Yes, it’s a GT original. Thanks for the video
@vmzrieracb7
@vmzrieracb7 6 месяцев назад
Enough of this nonsense, the military contract was for a MODULAR HANDGUN SYSTEM, which Glock is not. Sig delivered, meeting the very definition of what was asked for and it did it for way less than their competitor. Isn’t that how you are supposed to do it?
@Nick-zb4bp
@Nick-zb4bp 7 месяцев назад
That was a long way to say Sig sold them so cheap they lose money in hopes to make it up from others because they want the gun that the army has.
@gund2281
@gund2281 7 месяцев назад
Also a long way to hear Glock fanboi's whining that they didn't win. I have nothing against either gun, I've fired both and both are pretty great for different reasons.
@seand.3085
@seand.3085 7 месяцев назад
@@gund2281 This video didn’t seem to be from a Glock fan boy, rather a breakdown of just what happened with cited sources. 😂 What are you on about?
@gund2281
@gund2281 7 месяцев назад
@@seand.3085 Yes, cited that Glock was whining about the process that THEY thought was insufficient. That's not an objective data point, it's an opinion.
@gund2281
@gund2281 7 месяцев назад
@@seand.3085 This video appears to have been made by an AI lol. But no, I don't think the originator is necessarily a Glock Fanboi. But the sourced material you speak of contains a LOT of Glock whining.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@gund2281 No it's literally an objective fact the P320 didn't beat the Glock. The testing trials were canceled as soon as Sig announced their sale price to be lower than a hi point. This is the entire reason the dropping AD issue was never caught because one of the trial testing factors is a drop test which Sig never went through.
@curtislong1987
@curtislong1987 7 месяцев назад
The gun that fires itself.
@WordSaladSpeachWriter
@WordSaladSpeachWriter 7 месяцев назад
🙄
@heinerlange443
@heinerlange443 7 месяцев назад
Funny how it's mostly female cops and deit hires who have this issue.......
@eldridgedavis
@eldridgedavis 7 месяцев назад
Taurus?
@curtislong1987
@curtislong1987 7 месяцев назад
@@eldridgedavis wrong, those don't fire at all. ...next,?
@commiesnzombies
@commiesnzombies 7 месяцев назад
many feet will end up with holes through them
@stephen2d338
@stephen2d338 6 месяцев назад
I just heard the narrator say “silencer”, and I switched the video off immediately 😂
@Gravedigger933
@Gravedigger933 7 месяцев назад
I could care less who wins the contract. But the entirety of manufacturing should take place within in boarders of the US. If it's not, then it is a clear threat to national security.
@miked7925
@miked7925 7 месяцев назад
Which sig is made entirely in the US.
@voodooreptiles3553
@voodooreptiles3553 7 месяцев назад
LOL wow what a load of CRAP!
@bulldaggerwatkins190
@bulldaggerwatkins190 7 месяцев назад
I mean Sig is in New Hampshire and Glock is in Georgia.
@voodooreptiles3553
@voodooreptiles3553 7 месяцев назад
@@miked7925 No its not at all.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
Both companies manufacture their products for the military in America. Sig and Glock made US daughter companies specifically for being able to fulfill berry amendment compliant products. The biggest threat IMO is the Nett warrior, which uses COTS (aka store bought) smartphones which are supposedly sterilized by the NSA, but that assumes the government isn't going to miss something. The EUD handles everything from communications, uav links, and GPS positioning. Compromising the EUD literally gives you complete access to the entire infantry level network.
@Gravedigger933
@Gravedigger933 7 месяцев назад
Got forbid the military saves the American tax payers some money for once.
@AverageGIJoeOutdoors
@AverageGIJoeOutdoors 7 месяцев назад
god forbid they actually give the troops the best weapon possible.......you serve?
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 7 месяцев назад
They did... the sig was the cheapest option that met the requirements... how are you this obtuse?
@Fudge_Fantasy
@Fudge_Fantasy 7 месяцев назад
We can save literally everywhere else but I don't mind not skimping the military.
@ObstacleZone
@ObstacleZone 7 месяцев назад
And use it towards what?
@manictiger
@manictiger 7 месяцев назад
@@AverageGIJoeOutdoors To be fair, no one uses pistols in combat.
@johnbrentford5513
@johnbrentford5513 6 месяцев назад
I have worked on these guns for the military back in 2019. I was not impressed.
@stephentaylor280
@stephentaylor280 5 месяцев назад
In my opinion going from Clock to a Sig is like going from a dump truck to a Cadillac !
@jasongaudreau2075
@jasongaudreau2075 7 месяцев назад
I’m just happy that Glocks entry, the 19x, was then brought before the LEO community, who said if Glock can make it in black….they would contract them. And hence came the g45 gen 5 Glock that accepts all gen magazines while holding the 19x frame and slide sizing. I got one, added the maritime spring cups from the 19x, and just love it. Johnny Glocks combat trigger system, some tritium sights, with oem Glock +2’s and what a performer she is. Zero failures zero regrets.
@traxxasrcfun
@traxxasrcfun 7 месяцев назад
Ever tried a canik?
@cpiper6338
@cpiper6338 7 месяцев назад
That's exactly the issue with "Glock Perfection." Once you buy it, then add a better trigger and sights, you've got a great gun. (Well, you'll still have a less than ergonomic grip angle.) Or you can get a Walther, Canik or CZ (and a few others) and have it all right out of the box.
@traxxasrcfun
@traxxasrcfun 7 месяцев назад
@@cpiper6338 exactly
@jasongaudreau2075
@jasongaudreau2075 7 месяцев назад
@@cpiper6338 I’m personally a fan of the shadow systems offerings, but honestly I made myself proficient with a 100% stock Glock 19 first and foremost, then added piece by piece for personal comfort….but I’ve always heard every change you make is a chance of ruining reliability. So, with that knowledge, I only aim to make it better than how it comes, using only Glock parts. For example I recently bought a g45. I added maritime spring cups from the 19x to save hydrolock. I added a np3 coated glock (-) connector, and that’s it! It broke in to about 3.7lb consistently smooth trigger breaks. And all parts are straight from glock so the reliability doesn’t take the hit. I also do my own dremel work on the bottom half cuz unless you go to thin in important area’s, it literally does nothing to the pistol but get more comfortable in hand. But ya…..the 920 from shadow is the bomb! Right outta the box. I’ve recently come across Johnny Glocks also….and I like the message he spits….”reliability and safety” is PARAMOUNT! First and foremost. And his combat trigger system along with the “vex” trigger shoe, is just insanely smooth and breaks like a glass rod predictably and repeatable.
@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu
@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu 6 месяцев назад
Glock perfection: almost 30 different variations of the same thing and every single one of them needs after market parts to make them worthwhile.
@CarolinaLowrider
@CarolinaLowrider 7 месяцев назад
The Department of Defense preferred the Glock, but Budget & Control Dept decided to contract with Sig solely for financial reasons! This information is available and can be found if anyone would like to investigate it themselves and read how it all played out at that time. Lawsuits were threatened and alot of backlash was coming from the Defense Department when all of a sudden everything about it was silenced and it just went away. Like many things the government does, it just got swept under the rug I guess!
@joesnuffy7310
@joesnuffy7310 7 месяцев назад
I also don’t see how Glock me the requirement for a modular handgun?
@deadmeat8754
@deadmeat8754 7 месяцев назад
That's a load of malarkey. Glock was the company that disputed the award. Glock failed to read the program requirements in full and didn't hit all the bullet points, as well as asking for over $100M USD more than SIG.
@schwiftydale6008
@schwiftydale6008 7 месяцев назад
Where can I find this information?
@johnhatchel9681
@johnhatchel9681 7 месяцев назад
Glock fanboy fantasy.
@FreemanWithrow
@FreemanWithrow 7 месяцев назад
In the video it said it came down to price
@dramspringfeald
@dramspringfeald 4 месяца назад
"Dad always taught me, get the same gear the military and police use, youll have extra ammo when it starts"
@gl9500
@gl9500 4 месяца назад
Your dad was an idiot. Military has rules they follow their intent is to take people out of the battle, not kill them.
@jena2664
@jena2664 7 месяцев назад
I used both in Law Enforcement. Both were good weapons. Quality built.
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956 7 месяцев назад
You missed the part where sig dropped their pants on price for the units, parts and service and how the army is looking to get out of this POS because it shoots its owners all the time.
@tgood5527
@tgood5527 7 месяцев назад
This. Don’t drop it lol.
@KC_Smooth
@KC_Smooth 7 месяцев назад
Do the M17 320s with the safety still actually have the drop problems??
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956 7 месяцев назад
@@KC_Smooth saw something recently that said the safety does not solve the issue. It’s something to do with the internal safety or disconnector being faulty
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956
@mattsterpiecenjmaflva9956 7 месяцев назад
@@tgood5527 seems simple enough 🤣
@YellowjacketGTO
@YellowjacketGTO 7 месяцев назад
Lies.
@cops312
@cops312 7 месяцев назад
I love Glocks, but what does Glock expect?? Army asked for a modular handgun and Glock couldn’t produce one.
@seand.3085
@seand.3085 7 месяцев назад
Y’all keep saying this like that was a factor. It wouldn’t have been a top 2 finalist if it missed what you goofy people keep claiming as the sole reason they lost the contract. It wouldn’t have even been in consideration if that was a core requirement “not met” by Glock. 😂
@GTRNights
@GTRNights 7 месяцев назад
@@seand.3085 Exactly, if Glock not meeting this modularity requirement was a thing, they would have disqualified them from the start. I swear some people have absolutely zero common sense and know nothing about how DoD works. As usual, the contract went to the lowest price. Besides, the modularity is absolute garbage anyway. Will never be utilized in Big Army. You get what you get. You're not allowed to mod your weapon. I was SOCOM and we got whatever we wanted and did whatever we wanted to them, so it's not even a requirement for SOF because you're not stuck with standard issue anyway. So it's a completely moot f'ing point.
@seand.3085
@seand.3085 7 месяцев назад
@@GTRNights Literally. People just want to hate and all these clowns classify modularity as something only applying to the grip of the FCU for sig. 😂😂😂
@Rusonekox9
@Rusonekox9 5 месяцев назад
The title shoul had been this is why the military rejected the 1911 😂
@skm6777
@skm6777 Месяц назад
Didn't know this was the Glock Whine channel. Please title it appropriately. First & last time watching this.
@mattmurphy7030
@mattmurphy7030 7 месяцев назад
Sig bids $102 million less but I go to the store and the M17 is more than a 19x… makes sense
@jmanswat2457
@jmanswat2457 7 месяцев назад
They're making their real money off the civilian market. But when you buy a sig 320 you're buying the control unit mostly. You can then buy different slides, gross, and barrels to configure different "pistols" for ultimately less than having to buy a whole other pistol.
@seand.3085
@seand.3085 7 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠​⁠@@jmanswat2457 I mean it’s exactly the same for Glock, plenty of different slides or barrels you can buy for changing calibers, etc. without having to buy a whole other pistol. But yeah, sig is definitely ripping off the civilian market.
@mattmurphy7030
@mattmurphy7030 7 месяцев назад
@@jmanswat2457 I converted my m17 to an m18 and it was only like $200 less than a new pistol. In hindsight I honestly should have just spent the money and had two pistols instead of one pistol and a bunch of expensive useless parts. It’s a nice idea in theory but in practice it ends up being kind of silly.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@jmanswat2457 On point. People always think military contracts are big money but the reality is that companies only want military contracts for clout. The civilian markets for weapons (particularly American market) is like 10x the value of the entire international military market. For example Honeywell makes most of the explosives used by the DoD, yet they make 4x more money selling air conditioners at walmart.
@W9HJBill
@W9HJBill 7 месяцев назад
I bet if you went to the store and bought 5 million M17's you'd get a very good price ... most likely a better price than the 19X. "I'll take What are Economies of Scale of $1000 Alex."
@chriscarnes87
@chriscarnes87 7 месяцев назад
The government also wanted the Sig contract so they could get their rifle, optics and ammo. That’s not a coincidence either.
@rickhale4348
@rickhale4348 7 месяцев назад
Also Sig's light machine guns. There's vids on RU-vid.
@great_deception
@great_deception 6 месяцев назад
Then why can’t Glock product ammo, red dots, and rifles lol
@thomaswolf6507
@thomaswolf6507 2 месяца назад
there are MANY guns in my collection and many more on my wishlist not a single one is a sig
@l.ls.8890
@l.ls.8890 6 месяцев назад
Good pistol and 100 Million lower price is a no brainer. As long as it functions as expected under all adverse conditions and scenarios is a good thing.
@mattmargerum9618
@mattmargerum9618 2 месяца назад
They never through the full testing in those adverse conditions....
@pauldornbusch6408
@pauldornbusch6408 Месяц назад
Always remember, they wanted a "modular" pistol, Glock I'd not modular.
@rms5654
@rms5654 7 месяцев назад
Hell, the S&W M&P has met all of these military criteria for the past 10 years
@ryanusa860
@ryanusa860 7 месяцев назад
And it's an iconic American company. That 5inch 2.0 should have been the winner.
@johndoee3850
@johndoee3850 7 месяцев назад
Wrong!!it lost to Glock in the Tortue test!!GLOCK SUCCESSFULLY SUE SMITH WESSON.
@davidwalker7383
@davidwalker7383 7 месяцев назад
S&W can't make a good firearm..
@keithv3767
@keithv3767 7 месяцев назад
I think it lost because it was no modular enough.
@freegeorgia4808
@freegeorgia4808 Месяц назад
Please
@benpeters-brown5317
@benpeters-brown5317 7 месяцев назад
The ability too break it into 2 sharp combat knifes is the innovation the handgun markets been desperately needing
@thomaswolf6507
@thomaswolf6507 2 месяца назад
watching too much pointdexter on daredevil or what?
@MikeLowrey8990
@MikeLowrey8990 7 месяцев назад
The military model with the external safety eliminates the going off in the holster
@armeddiver
@armeddiver 4 месяца назад
Several people have already mentioned it, but Glock didn't even try to address the "modularity" requirement. There were two other requirements that the Army wanted. The first was a manual safety. The 2nd was a brown gun. If the Army had just wanted a replacement for the M9 and didn't have special requirements, Glock would have won - hands down. But Glock didn't make a gun with a manual safety nor did they make a gun that wasn't black, so when they made their bid they jacked up the price per unit to cover their alleged cost for "retooling" to make a manual safety brown gun. Again, they didn't come close to addressing the issue of "modularity". Glock has several major contracts with DoD, DoJ, etc. Glock got cocky and thought because of their other contracts the Army would just accept their submission. Guess what? They didn't. Everyone who said that price was the cause for the final decision is absolutely correct , but it wasn't the only reason. There was one specific aspect in the modularity requirement that the Army would not compromise on, which was, the ability to attach a Red Dot optic. Take a look at the Glock 19X, which is the Glock submission. Glock can cry in their Wheatys all day, but they don't have a leg to stand on. The Sig 320 won the contract for several reasons; a. price, b. it was actually modular, c. it was brown, d. it had a manual safety and lastly the gun was designed to use the Leupold Delta Point Pro red dot.
@ThePoorBoy
@ThePoorBoy 7 месяцев назад
I've become a huge fan of the M&P 2.0, but if I had to go into combat and had a choice between a Glock 19x and a Sig P320 M17/M18, I would absolutely, unquestionably choose the 19x every single time. The entire P320 platform has had reliability issues, and it may actually be dangerous to the user. There's a reason why a growing number of police departments are dropping the P320 and going back to Glock. Sig used to be an outstanding company, but their willingness to rush firearms out to the market and then use the buyer as part of the R&D process is unethical.
@SetsunaKai5
@SetsunaKai5 7 месяцев назад
Gotta love that Sig Shake Awake feature on their handguns!
@gund2281
@gund2281 7 месяцев назад
Forgive my ignorance but...huh?
@lemniscatelogos7917
@lemniscatelogos7917 7 месяцев назад
😂
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 7 месяцев назад
@@gund2281 the p320 when it first came out had a problem with the striker and when you dropped it the gun could go off. It was fixed long ago but glock fanbois are salty and bring up the past like it has any bearing...
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 7 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@rjeffery1495
@rjeffery1495 7 месяцев назад
@@thomgizziz There's a new video every month of it happening, Ron Cohen and Sig suck ass
@joelhunter984
@joelhunter984 3 месяца назад
Watching some of these military folks shoot, gives me heartburn. We are in big trouble.
@davehutchins2820
@davehutchins2820 4 месяца назад
Sig Sauer is not in a desperate attempt to catch up with Glock. They surpassed Glock years ago.
@gc7057
@gc7057 7 месяцев назад
Could it possibly be that Glock did not win the Modular Handgun System competition because Glock did not submit a modular handgun? Somebody at Glock should have read the military's requirements and realized that a traditional full sized gun and a traditional compact gun did not make a modular system.
@davidcald6843
@davidcald6843 7 месяцев назад
"modular" per the definition in the contract meant it could change grip sizes to accommodate different hand sizes. A removable fire control unit was NOT a requirement. 100% of all the pistols submitted met all the requirements in the contract. I should also add that glock holds a lot of contracts across the world, so they know what they are doing regardless of their inability to innovate. I should also add that glock tried to fight the decision in court because the military broke their portion of the awarding process by not performing phase two or three of testing which is what involved the torture tests, and longevity tests, thereby wasting a ton of money spent by all who developed pistols for the trials only to find out they weren't looking for the best pistol, but the cheapest.
@richardkluesek4301
@richardkluesek4301 7 месяцев назад
Glock captured the LE market decades ago through a combination of low bid, generous trade ins of decommissioned and confiscated sidearms, and er ahem, entertaining promotional venues for VIP purchasing agnts and decision makers. Now that, may he R.I.P., Herr Gaston Glock has passed, it remains to be seen if his successors will implement some updates towards modularity and engineering evolutions as indicated by the 45 through 49 models. Nevertheless, SiG is still an awesome company, and has contracts for incoming updated machine guns and rifle platforms. I'm a fan of both. And favor CZ and S&W in the wings too.
@edmundcharles5278
@edmundcharles5278 7 месяцев назад
Hated the M9 Beretta, the FN was a better pistol, as was the Glock.
@DeadRingerMachine
@DeadRingerMachine 7 месяцев назад
@@edmundcharles5278 I don't understand how anyone can HATE the Beretta - that's just a crazy over-the-top reaction to a great handgun.
@DeadRingerMachine
@DeadRingerMachine 7 месяцев назад
Sig is my preferred, I don't like Glocks because the ergos don't work for me - I'd own several of them if it wasn't for that because everything else about them is great. I've never shot a CZ but I've heard nothing but greatness about them. Same with H&K, so I think both those companies are on my "to do" list.
@micway71
@micway71 7 месяцев назад
$75 the cost to make a Glock. Read the book. Glock the rise of America’s Gun. Good read too. I like both Sig and Glock. No preference other than how I feel at the time.
@richardkluesek4301
@richardkluesek4301 7 месяцев назад
@@micway71 Got Glock and hammer fired SIGs, dont trust their striker fired ones.
@Dosbomber
@Dosbomber 6 месяцев назад
Bottom line, whatever politician was in charge of making that final decision got more of a kickback from Sig than they got from Glock.
@bobbyshumate5769
@bobbyshumate5769 3 месяца назад
I find this quite humorous. Guess who will be making the lowers for this Sig. That’s right SCCY Florida.
@resolute123
@resolute123 7 месяцев назад
Would be nice if the Army actually completed their test, but no Sig under bid and the Army said "Yup, that's good enough".
@ArmyVet1776
@ArmyVet1776 7 месяцев назад
That's the Army for ya...
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
Well tbh it was a smart move. I would also be afraid of the cheap gun failing. It's not like the handgun is the bread and butter weapon system for infantry, so being able to seal a deal on a large number of cheap guns well under budget is a good thing. I say this as a Glock Perfection diehard as well. Like even though the sig had that dropping AD issue, once the contract has been signed Sig is liable for correcting issues anyways, so no harm no foul. I totally get Glock feeling like they were screwed over by the GAO over this though. However, saving money was literally the sole explicit reason the MHS contract was started to begin with.
@GenXMafia
@GenXMafia 7 месяцев назад
@@DaveSmith-cp5kjSIG isn’t a cheep gun. Affordable would be the proper word. Remember kids, Glock is, in FACT the single most returned firearm in the market today.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 7 месяцев назад
@@GenXMafia The P320 was sold for the same price as a hi point, that's why it was chosen despite not going through any of the testing trials. Glock is the most returned firearm because it is the most used handgun in the world currently. There are over 10x more glocks sold than Sig handguns, and that's not including the 3D printed glocks.
@Perkeletricksterservantofrher
@Perkeletricksterservantofrher 7 месяцев назад
imagine simping for auto fire feature sig Lmao.@@GenXMafia
@BishopBlast
@BishopBlast 7 месяцев назад
very informative. being retired Navy i enjoyed. loved the old M9. Great content.
@BrooklynNYinsideConstruction
@BrooklynNYinsideConstruction 7 месяцев назад
did you shoot any people?
@cowboy7x
@cowboy7x 4 месяца назад
Sure! Because the US military NEVER makes any mistakes.
@remoaustin2056
@remoaustin2056 6 месяцев назад
BUT...Glock's entry was not MODULAR. The contract was for a MODULAR pistol. That seems to always be missed in this conversation.
@echogod
@echogod 7 месяцев назад
Unfortunatly on my first deployment with the Marines as a FMF Corpsman in 1988 I was issued an old rickety 1911 that was nothing more than a rattle trap. During DS/DS I was given an M9 which wasn't to bad, but the mags didn't handle sand very well at the time. I think later on they changed magazine manufacturers and solved that issue. Near the end of my career most of us that were part of SOCOM were given P226's, although I know some of the Force Recon guys and other specialized Marine units were carrying highly modified 1911's still. I have to say I really liked the 226 even though it is a very large gun. I have not ever been much of a Glock guy, I think they are really good reliable guns. I personally just don't like the grip angle it's not what I learned to shoot with and takes me a little getting used to each time I fire one.
@traxxasrcfun
@traxxasrcfun 7 месяцев назад
Damn no love for the ole 1911? I think it woulda been sweet if they issued the modernized 2011’s in true American fashion, but they are obviously way too expensive
@chagosoutdoors3122
@chagosoutdoors3122 7 месяцев назад
Fair Points. My dad was an old Army guy and loved the 1911 and I bought a Glock 17 when I got into the Semi Auto. Dad had big hands and never liked the Glock. He preferred his 1911 or a .357. I have one of the Glock 19X, which was Glock's bid for the contact. I've been shooting Glock for well over 20 years so I'm familiar with the Glock. I really like that 19X. Full size 17 frame and 19 slide. I've yet to get a Sig. But I live in NH and you can never have too many guns. Maybe I'll get one.
@DeadRingerMachine
@DeadRingerMachine 7 месяцев назад
You're not alone in your assessment of Glocks, man. And the simple fact is that there's no reason to "get used to" Glock ergos - and basically change the way you shoot - with SO MANY great alternatives on the market. So I just don't. I bought a Glock about 20 years ago. Owned it for 6 or 7 years, Shot it a LOT. Finally realized how much I really just hated shooting the thing and sold it off. M
@VitalyMack
@VitalyMack 7 месяцев назад
@@DeadRingerMachine I think hammer firing guns are inherently better than striker fire handguns. Main issue is most people don't know how to operate one properly, so the gun manufacturers just supplicate to the market.
@johnwayne2103
@johnwayne2103 6 месяцев назад
The question is did you quality expert with it? 1911's were never initially designed with tight fitting parts to begin with. Most people who are issued out Pistols as their TO weapon can't qualify expert with them anyway. The reason why the 1911's get so much love is due to the size and shape of the grip (those with man sized hands) and usually the single action crisp trigger. Yeah that heavy 45 cal round has some lore to it. I must admit the most accurate pistol I ever shot was a Sig P229 in .357 Sig straight from the dealers shelf to his range. Spot on accurate. If you have been taught proper marksmanship any pistol will work. I own all three and if I had my druthers I would take Glock 17. or if we are splitting hairs a Glock 21. My Sig P229 and Sport are nicely machined and have such tight tolerances that I would never consider taking it into the field let alone the new Sig XM.
@nickb1690
@nickb1690 7 месяцев назад
Waaa Waaa Waaa ! I love reading the below comments from the Glock fanboys. Waaaaaaaaa ! 😂😂😂
@zamiyaFlow
@zamiyaFlow 4 месяца назад
with the $102 million the army is saving with sig, the pentagon will finally be able to afford a new doormat for their cafeteria
@stephenbest4924
@stephenbest4924 6 месяцев назад
Most people thought that it was because Sig Sauer bribed the right people with bigger sweeteners.
@one-metallica4156
@one-metallica4156 7 месяцев назад
I’d carry the CZ75 over both. But it’s crazy because SIG was in competition with Beretta and lost, but military intelligence are words combined that can’t make sense.
@oldiowan
@oldiowan 7 месяцев назад
Kinda like JUMBO Shrimp☺
@Rashed1255
@Rashed1255 7 месяцев назад
Kinda lost for the same reason, cost. SIG P226 was found to be overall better than the Beretta M9, but M9 was cheaper and met the requirements not too far from the P226.
@ronaldparvanian6949
@ronaldparvanian6949 7 месяцев назад
​​@@Rashed1255In the original competition Sig and Beretta tied on points but Beretta agreed to manufacture in the US- "Beretta USA." Have owned both. Fine handguns.
@MerihemXx
@MerihemXx 7 месяцев назад
I kinda thought your phrasing of "Military Intelligence" might've been a coincidence, but your name suggests otherwise. Was that meant to be a subtle reference to Hanger 18 by MegaDeth? Also, unabashed Beretta 92 fanboy myself. I think the whole program was a massive waste of money.
@one-metallica4156
@one-metallica4156 7 месяцев назад
@@MerihemXx yes it is Hanger 18 by Magadeth. One of the few songs I like by them. The Beretta is a great gun, a little too bulky for my taste, still in my opinion hammer fire is safer and more reliable than striker fire.
@EricDaMAJ
@EricDaMAJ 7 месяцев назад
Just gonna put it out there that no battle or war has ever been won by a pistol.
@The_Judge300
@The_Judge300 7 месяцев назад
But it has saved lives many times. And that is all what matters in my opinion. And that is why I want the most reliable pistol possible for the troops and that is a Glock in my humble opinion. If they truly gave this contract to Sig Sauer to save a bit of money that they for sure will waste on something else and risking the lives of the troops doing it, then it is totally disgusting. And if the Glocks can be shot much more before getting worn out as I suspect from having shot both brands for decades, then they are in reality not saving any money at all.
@jeffschroeder4805
@jeffschroeder4805 7 месяцев назад
There may have been some lives lost because their pistol failed - our fighting forces should have the best arms that taxpayers will buy.
@jamesbuchanan3145
@jamesbuchanan3145 7 месяцев назад
Sgt. York sure as heck gave it a shot though....
@colebiggs7296
@colebiggs7296 6 месяцев назад
Well Glock, there is no use in complaining if your product is more expensive.
@Biru_to
@Biru_to 2 месяца назад
Cheaper less reliable pistols for the army it is!
@freegeorgia4808
@freegeorgia4808 Месяц назад
It's definitely not off the shelf.
@dmoore396
@dmoore396 Месяц назад
​@@Biru_toyou are describing neither glock or sig
@jr8184
@jr8184 Месяц назад
You know most of them military guys were mad when they went for sig over Glock
@GuacIsExtra99
@GuacIsExtra99 7 месяцев назад
My late friend who passed away due to negligent discharge swears by the sig p320
@johnslugger
@johnslugger 7 месяцев назад
*The Sig won because you can't beat German engineering. In Iraq I put over 1000 rounds through my Sig and it never jammed once. I still have not cleaned it and the barrel looks new. Sig makes an amazing pistol!*
@Grouse2275
@Grouse2275 7 месяцев назад
You never cleaned it?
@GTRNights
@GTRNights 7 месяцев назад
@@Grouse2275 You don't have to clean a pistol when it's in Call of Duty.
@KralTube2
@KralTube2 7 месяцев назад
Sig cloned an amazing pistol.
@endziel9065
@endziel9065 6 месяцев назад
​@@GTRNightsyou made me laugh so hard I about pissed myself
@johnslugger
@johnslugger 6 месяцев назад
@@Grouse2275 *Even today never cleaned. All I do is 'hose it down" with WD40 once ever few years. Works FINE!*
@vandidandi
@vandidandi 4 месяца назад
Just because the army chose Sig, it does not mean that it is better than the Glock. It is all comes down to money and corruption sometimes.
@6.4hemidriver44
@6.4hemidriver44 7 месяцев назад
It is nice to be able to shoot multiple cartridges through the same pistol. I shoot 9mm, 357 Sig. and 40 S&W in my 3rd gen. G22.
@sfdclay
@sfdclay 7 месяцев назад
Only the fcu and grip module are compatible with multiple calibers. If you want to shoot a different caliber you need to swap the complete upper (barrel and slide assembly) as well as the magazines.
@6.4hemidriver44
@6.4hemidriver44 7 месяцев назад
@@sfdclay, with a 3rd. gen. Glock G22 (40 S&W), all you need to shoot 357 Sig. is swap the G22 barrel for a G31 barrel, magazines work fine with either. Same goes for the G23/G32 and G27/G33 size pistols. To shoot 9mm in a G22 or G31, you need to get a 9mm conversion barrel. The outside diameter is larger on the 40 S&W and 357 Sig. barrels. You need a 9mm barrel with the same outside diameter. I have a Lone Wolf Distributor 9mm conversion barrel. You also have to use 9mm G17/17L/34 magazines. Same goes for the G19 and G26 size pistols. I don't know too much about the Sig. M17/18/320 pistols. I'm not a fan of them.
@sumokid
@sumokid 7 месяцев назад
I will stick with my Glock 19. The only modification made to it is trijicon sights. 20k rounds later, all the same parts that came with the pistol. Never a single malfunction.
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