This Just Got Worse...Somehow. Chronicles of Elyria - The 8 Million Dollar Deception 

how it was written makes me think of the film 'eXistenZ' by David Cronenberg. And now im imagining Caspian surgically connecting me to a game pod...

Makes me think of that scene from Harold and kumar with the extreme bros 😄 all I can think of when I read that

What is 4x genre I've never heard of that?

@@AZodiacCancer it's a strategy game subgenre like civilization 6, Age of Wonders 3, Stellaris, Endless Space/Legend and Humankind for an upcoming one :)

That Agreement License is scummy but its exploitable on a massive level. You can't bring them to court as a class action, that's for sure, but what you can do is flooding them with arbitration requests if you want to ruin them financially, they literally won't have the financial power to handle all of them at once (and by judging their finances I can see they can handle 10 arbitrations at best) on top of that if they reside in Florida by the law its stated they must pay for the abitration expenses which could totally ruin them. Laws have always a loophole.

i doubt that haha

Don't forget his covid payout from the trump as well :)

Those are far gone.

hahaha what a comment! Same here man, I love this "series"! Even more than the Earth2 disaster

@@northgambit earth 2 is the king, they have an amazing project and people that call it a scam don't have no idea about what the projects is about

2025: Bedroom Of Elyria announced.

@@ian_b Closet of Elyria will be out way before then. :D

indeed. unlike other scam video game projects, Caspian knows how to cover himself with technicalities.

Do US laws allow that? In my country those types of one sided forced contract are easily nullified as one side had total control and uperhand of the means.

@Honudes Gai Practically this. Also of note is that if you are found of felony charges, literally all of your contract defense goes right out of the window. Say, for example you intentionally manipulated people into providing funding for a non-existent product with criminal intent... *cough cough* At that point, no contract is going to save your life. You will be dragged to court, and will be held accountable as per the findings and result of that court proceeding.

It’s looking like this is the case 😂

Yes, this seems to be their attempt to create a "get out of jail free" card. So if you download their thinly veiled Unity husk, they're absolved of owing you anything and you can't pursue legal action. Great stuff Caspian

Could well be

It's almost like a virus

Highly doubt it’s the first.

There is no way for us mere mortals to keep up with him, for this man is beyong this world

Well crap. 😄

Love the fact you post this on every single video, I always scroll to check out

​@@UncleSkiBum Who, me? I don't.

@@GrubbJunker oh maybe it wasn't you but every single video on KOE has a keeping up with the Caspians comment just as you wrote it 😁

What if this is the game? This whole story.

What if this is a Bob's Game situation where the real "Chronicles of Elyria" was an ARG about a this corrupt developer and incompetent studio?

@@BDUF was it confirmed that bobs game was an ARG? Pretty fucking bizarre shit nonetheless

@@KingLouis420th I just watched Atrocity Guide's video on it, would recommend. I'm not sure if he was serious about it being an ARG, that we were always playing Bob's Game, but he definitely did try to claim that at one point.

@@BDUF I too learned about it from atrocity guide (great channel) and was just wondering if anything else had happened. Trippy shit haha

I wont attest to knowing law or anything but surely your comments here should be enough for any court to realise this guy is a fake and is scamming everyone. Last i checked, when you purchase anything via a order on lets say Amazon, if you order shoes, a playstation, bedsheets etc, you expect to get the item you purchased and them refusing you your item worth much more is breaking their agreed terms as a merchant. Surely its the same here? He took 8million to develop a game no one agreed to or wants, that is bait and switching peoples cash.

@@DarkCobra88 Its not the same as ordering an item of Amazon or any other store like you said. It is the nature of Kickstarter/GoFundMe etc, to only have to deliver that which was explicitly promised. But even in the case when they dont (Caspian didnt), you cant actually take them to court just for that, unless there was a specific delivery date attached to what you were promised. The thing is, I dont know exactly what were the backer rewards and how it was phrased exactly, but even if I were to look it up right now, it wouldnt matter so much, because there are separate agreements and conditions for Kickstarter, and those need to be examined by a lawyer. So the short answer is: Only a lawyer who has experience in these things can tell us how likely it is that a class action lawsuit can be won against Caspian. The only thing I know for sure, is that Caspian is a slippery little rattlesnake, and he's just trying to get away after biting us.

@@morpheas768 Even if a lawyer has a case, making any speculations on the result is usually not something they like to do. People are pissed off at this though, if Caspian had any significant support, they wouldn't have been bankrupt in the first place. This has gone farther than that, as many of the pissed off people have legitimately filed against SBS. This ToS scheme won't work, because aside from the real stupid, most of these backers don't want KoE, and won't accept it as a consolation prize. If he had any significant backing left, comments and likes wouldn't be disabled on all of his update videos. This is beyond Kickstarter, because the majority of the funds raised were done outside of it through Xsolla, who is on the hook for this as well. Is it possible nothing comes of it? Of course. But I will speculate that if there was no threat to Caspian, he wouldn't be clowning around with KoE. He wouldn't be putting clauses in the ToS that try to waive peoples right to sue.

@@morpheas768 Interesting read and thanks for clarifying. It's only a shame to hear that this guy could potentially slither out of this one using his crummy put together banished duplicate. I honestly think this guy from the start did his research and knew he didn't have to deliver $8 million of golden gameplay and bank the rest. Heck, i wouldn't be shocked to see his balance sheets are mostly lies, As you say though, the only thing for sure is how Caspian is a dirty little snake who feeds of peoples money and likely has no intention on making anything good. It would be interesting see his backers meet him face to face one day...

There are some rights you cannot effectively waive in a contract, and quite often a judge will disregard clauses that attempt to restrict you from taking legal action.

Realistically? You won't get anywhere with it. No one's getting their money back. They know what they're doing.

@@sujimayne hmm I dont know how it works for european kickstarters though. Not even the biggest companies can avoid the EU regulations for consumers. So I wonder whats the plan with them. Unless there's not a class suit against him there, since it would involved people from different countries, which would make it difficult.

@@vinhix European Commision is working in cases like that. They can handle group claims from EU countries without problem. Even online if needed.

I have zero financial investment in this game and never intended to. I am fully emotionally invested in the story of how “The chronicles of Elyria was NOT made”

Same. I'm amused by both this and Earth 2. I wouldn't touch these 'games' with an 11 foot pole though. I could have more fun with one of my old GBA games lol.

You call it a rollercoaster but it has only gone straight down XD

@@OvAeons True, but it still manages to find ways to produce gut-wrenching twists and turns

Most likely not. A scam is a scam regardless. And courts usually recognize that and nullify BS contractual agreements

@@KingLouis420th Yip, felony supercedes contractual obligation courtwise. Also they basically made their own contract unenforcable by making it about a video game, yet included the phrase that they may or may not ever release the game. The game is the literal contract objectual. If the game doesn't exist, or doesn't get released, they literally cant enforce the NDA. That part alone is an absolute oxymoron in such an NDA. Heck, the sheer vagueness of some of the contract clauses on their own would make it unenforcable, as they are effectively open-handed goalpost moves, which wont work in contract law. A contract has to be de facto deterministic. You can't have a contract about, say, getting violin lessons in a music school - but they also force you to buy a certain insurance, and also enforce you to walk the red light/aggressively jaywalk. That doesn't work. It has to have a strict objectual framework to even be enforcable Imagine it would actually uphold. You break the NDA. They drag you to court due to that for Kingdom of Elyria. The way it is worded, they would be able to drag you to court for the next project they create for breaking the KoE NDA. And the next one after that, retroactively, too. Primarily due to the vague, non-deterministic statements and clauses made. That thing is as much worth as a paperweight. Note: Not an actual lawyer, but seen my fair chair of NDAs being in the business myself.

It is.

@@pudding2675 You will not prove that it's a scam, sorry. Remember this comment in the next 5-10 years.

@@sujimayne he won’t, but lawyers definitely will. Sorry that you believe in this game.

Maybe. I assume finishing nightmare world will take us years first, though. haha XD

That's... Literally how it works. You could do that.

Let's assume 4 years in development. Each employee 70,000 P/A. 8x70,000= 560,000 a year. Set aside an additional 30% of that amount as a buffer for overtime or workplace BBQs/ morale boosting celebrations so like. 650k a year. 4x650k is only like 2.8Mill. Pay yourself as employee at the same rate or slightly more, you have absolutely no necessity to "Work" You've just given yourself the ability to not "work" forever. With the ability to employ others for X amount of years. As an employee of your own company you're covered by a bunch of different legislation etc that benefits you. The idea that people fuck this part up baffles me.

@@LegendaryDesu Damn, I didn't expect actual ENCOURAGEMENT, LOL!!!

@@todd.cannon make a kickstarter and watch

😂

Enjoy your evening brother

If anyone looks at kingdoms of elyria and sees a 4x they must be on that good shit

@@KiraTV1 kinda shit I need, who supplying?

@@blvck5943 Caspian has a pretty good supply

4X is one of my favorite genres, people like these games for the complexity and the epic scale. So far he’s giving us some randomly generated beards and an apple tree

Yes, it's a fairly niche genre but really addictive for its fans. Civilization is pretty much only mainstream one. Master of Orion is another relatively well known classic.

i think kira is so angry cause he back the game himself and that is the reason to hate em so much :D

There are no twists and only one turn though. A twist would be if it turns out it wasn't a straight up scam.

I would like to see one player from EU dragging them into the court.

May as well just write your moneys gone we spent 20 mins on a game and now you can't sue us sign here dickhead

yeah, I'd think it's not legally binding, because it came out afterwards, and a backer would have the rights that exist at the time of giving money at the beginning

@@pauls5745 Also the legal system works totally differently in the EU. Where as in the US you can enter into an agreement and waive your legal protections as a consumer in the EU you cannot. The law sets the minimum level of customer rights and those laws always take precedent over any EULA's. So waving your legal customer protection is not even possible.

@@Aquelll ​ @Ackwell I think you're probably correct, but still, wouldnt it look better in court if the backers never downloaded KoE Alpha and never accepted that agreement?

I truly doubt they created anything. They have shown no assets in game, he seems like a megalomaniac/ narcissistic type of person. Did they ever employ anyone? WTF did he do with 8 mill other than live the high life and is now hiring the dodgiest lawyers to try to escape

100%. Please give a coin to your Watcher, if able, to continue this sort of activity on RU-vid. The scammers are only going to up the ante, we need to be able to call this shit out when it happens. At the very least, share with friends or family that are interested in this struggle and want to keep gaming fair and true.

Eh, compared to a somewhat known man, Chris Roberts, who is just mad and for years proven to not be a fraud, Caspian is 100% a fraud. Even if he lies to himself about being a fraud, he still is one. The egghead has no skills, he is incompetent, all he can do is lie. The only question is "does he also lie to himself, or just the public?". Either he is a delusional fraud, or a clear minded fraud. Compare that to CR who seemed like a questionable fraud/madman for a year or two. After he started making progress and pushing it to players, it has been clear he is no fraud, just a wee bit mad in the head. But then again, the line between madness and genius has always been blurry. Time will show if he was a mad genius, or just mad.

Both. Given the things he's been writing/saying for years and how passionate he was about his stories and stuff, I think he truly is delusional. But, he's obviously a fraudster, too. If he wasn't in the beginning, he certainly is now.

if it quacks like a duck...

He is like on of them delusional restaurant owners of that show where that Gordon Ramsey is trying to help them but they all still suck and in the end the restaurants are doomed to fail. If Caspian were a cook who can't cook he'd think his food is the shiat.

i support profiting of of a scammer >.> and doing it legit too haha

The grift that keeps on gritting!

@David Blackman to be honest basic Financial statements (Balance sheet, Cashflow and Income statement) on a monthly basis will easily show us what went wrong!

@David Blackman lol you have no clue on data protection.. this kind of information would never be shared. Only in a criminal investigation or civil law suit and as part of discovery for a select group of people. If they share anything it will be in their best interest to tell the truth rather then lie which may put them in more trouble.

@David Blackman yup!

+1

Pretty sure games like Black Desert and New World have the “political manipulation” description as well

I enjoyed The Guild 2.

I would be able to confirm that those terms of service would be completely irrelevant in the EU, where I come from. But I don't know about the US. There are quite some ridiculous legal rabbit holes there.

Not to mention in this case the ToS is basically for people that have already given money to them, so even if the ToS was less insane I would imagine at least some courts would prioritise the earlier promises to backers over the ToS.

At least in the US, EULAs aren't worth the paper/doc they're written on. Companies for decades have tried to put all sorts of crazy crap in EULAs and the courts just laugh at them.

Large class action suits dismiss tos in the first minute.

On top of all this keep in mind that this contract CAN not be used towards Chronicles of Elyria because its not that game and that product is already cancled so YOU can still sue them for CoE however it will be harder to sue them for KoE if you signed it. But then again even court can see this as a massive scam from miles away. Even if Terms of Service say things they still cannot overpower the Law. Especially here in the EU all 4 of those lines wont hold. Especially the You cant sue us but we can sue you is a no go in the EU since we have the equality rule that you cannot simply forbid a user from somthing while a corporation CAN do something. Terms and conditions are mostly meant to prevent author theft and protect the company against bullshit lawsuits e.g. promised purple gun but you got a green one for compensation. However court can and will see trought the sharade of the bait and switch. (Most court judges have specific people that can rule out stuff like ex-game developers who can testify for things). All in all atleast from Europe its almost a save bet you can sue them even after signing as those terms cant be uphold in Europe court.

I hope things improve for you bro, truly.

@@KiraTV1 Thanks for the reply! You're awesome!

Get well soon mate!

Weren’t you burn and killed by your half brother , Aegon Second of its name ?

This game development and his scam had been a nightmare thus far.

That was a very different thing though. With financial irregularities, there's always a paper trail that can be followed but sexual harassment is very subjective & difficult to prove without hard evidence.

At least someone gets something out of this situation then :D

I play 4x games and I've never seen that but then again I don't sit reading product descriptions , 4x is 4x to me

He cant. And it is absolutely asinine of him to even think that this worthless piece of digital paper is worth its figurative weight.

He should, he has 8 million to spend on lawyers.

not sure, Dreamworld is a great contender for that title too

He is not legit game developer in my opinion, it’s some moron who larped as one as result show.

ToS is always secondary to your legal rights as a consumer and citizen of where you live, yeah. But it adds an extra layer you have to combat before getting to the original root issue , you're making it much more difficult for yourself if you're signing or agreeing to any terms like this which may or may not be enforceable within your area.

ToS is always secondary to your legal rights as a consumer and citizen of where you live, yeah. But it adds an extra layer you have to combat before getting to the original root issue , you're making it much more difficult for yourself if you're signing or agreeing to any terms like this which may or may not be enforceable within your area.

Man, they've now worked on like 6 different games to "help make CoE". There's been low-poly, voxels, etc. They've even changed game engines like 4 times. I don't see how anything they say or do can be defended in court if the prosecutors do even the slightest bit of research.

I'd nut

I think alot of the backers are very wealthy people who think of it as a possible net gain investment. And any losses to them are so miniscule that it's not even something to think about. A thousand dollars to them is what 10 dollars is to us. And then there are some obviously dense people that don't know the value of their money, and are easily manipulated.

Unfortunately, pursuing office requires a lot of money. But don't worry, Caspian will launch a new King-starter project so that his deluded cult followers can help crown him.

Ask Maulvorn "the Horse Lord"