Anyone that wants to get into race simming would know about this stuff already, LTT is not the place to learn about simming, none of their staff do any research or know anything about simming or sim hardware.
Cool stuff getting DD into a more affordable range and seeing them actually do a review from a user perspective. Otherwise we are currently still working on open source DIY options if you need something really customizable ;)
@@Bobbarker23455 Will might be making his name in sim racing specifically but it’s not like he’s ignorant of areas of tech beyond that, and shock horror he’s supportive of more mainstream coverage of this niche because that’s a good thing for himself and the community, wow 😅
I remember when they announced this on April 1 everyone thought they were joking about having a dd wheel at this price. I was so glad to hear they weren't kidding and I've been waiting patiently for this. Can't wait to upgrade form my g920!
The price they quoted was just the base, you'll also need a rim, pedals, desk mount, shifter/handbrake optional. The bare minimum viable setup is around 800$.
For the people not in the know: Fanatec played it amazingly, they kinda announced it April 1st, writing it in such a BS way that it really made you feel as if it just was a joke, calling it DD0.5, stating they used carbon fibre to reduce shipping weight... but all of the specs were true and confirmed not to be a joke a bit later. That was the biggest marketing mic drop I had seen in a long time. "This value/money may seem like a ridiculous joke, but we made it happen"
3:15 Yes, that is an extrusion that was likely done on a 9" die, probably extruded in 50ft sections, then anodized black and sent to fabricating to be cut into the correct length and machined
Great to see an average sim racer's first impression and reaction to this wheel base. You should probably clarify for people the actual cost is not $350, (that is just the wheel base). Pedals, wheel rim, quick release and desk clamp are all extra. So for this setup with 2 pedals it would be $760 USD + Tax and shipping. For us Canadians you can expect to pay $1270+Tax + shipping. To get this in Nova Scotia through the only official reseller it would be $1560 all in. Whether or not you feel that is worth it is entirely your personal choice, just trying manage peoples expectations here.
Yeah, i don't really understand how people are comparing this to either the g29 or t300. Never mind calling this a "budget" option. I got my t300 rs bundled with the t3pa pedals for 300€ while such a combination in fanatec world would cost me at least 800€.
I'm so happy LTT dips its toe into sim-racing every now and then. It really is a piece of tech that's advanced an extreme amount in the last 2-3 years, and ESPECIALLY gained popularity during covid for obvious reasons. Would love to see a video on modern sim-racing and how much its advanced over the years. Would probably make for an awesome video.
Late reply but can you explain a little how the tech has advanced? Do you mean how the price has come down and the higher end tech is more attainable for average sim enthusiasts?
As a sim racer who has this with the boost pack pre-ordered, I was interested and slightly worried what this review would be like. I must admit I think this a good quick review, with the key thing is unlike most reviews where the reviewer is a keen simracer who has a high torque DD wheel already, this is done by the casual person who has an entry/mid range wheel (Logitech/Thrustmaster which there is nothing wrong with either of those). Not only that but the review done on the table clamp and not a rig. So for people who are the more casual, where the price point is for this wheel base, it's fantastic to see something like this. One thing I will note, yes it is annoying with all the building of parts, however that is part of Fanatec's eco-system, so a lot of the items that required assembly they can be taken off and used for other parts or you can add more to it, like the clutch pedal that was mentioned, or a better responding brake pedal in the Load Cell kit
The setup process actually looks so much fun, I like that. Plus I love how customisable it is, this is the perfect budget entry into serious SIM racing
Budget remains relative, a full kit will still drain you in excess of 650 USD. 350 is the base only, you have to add 100 for the pedals and 200 for the wheel. Add up a few peripherals, upgrade the pedals, get a better rim with 6 speed manual shifter and you're soon to be 1400$ poorer.
@@EddieOtool compared to what fanatec used to charge for such kit and what a full set of top notch stuff is yeah it's still budget. It's not Logitech g29 cheap but it's bringing you into an ecosystem you can expand upon instead of a full set you have to throw away to upgrade
This video actually convinced me to upgrade from my g920 to this. The whole kit with the wheel, the DD base, pedals, and clutch pedal was only $500 USD including shipping and taxes which IMO is a great value for what you're getting. I am keeping my logitech shifter for now and upgrading to a nicer one later down the road so i saved about $250 there.
My brother has a Fanatec wheel and he had it calibrated wrong (edit: ok maybe not apparently). When I crashed in game, damn near felt like it was gonna dislocate my shoulder with how powerful it was.
Surely this is the next step in sim racing - realistic injuries! Next review will include Fanatec's flame-thrower to simulate those crashes where the fuel lines get torn.
Literally same :D The secret is to just neck a couple of beers and you won't care about, what your wallet thinks about it. Getting it past your significant other is a whole other story though.
No one at LTT is a simmer or knows (or cares to know) anything about simming. They just get paid by sponsors to read marketing material and video tape it with their casual ideas and experience. Do yourself a favor and go sub to a real sim racing channel.
@@wandrinsheep That's literally what they did though, this video is fine if it's your first experience with simracing, but the LMG guys are really inexperienced in this field. It's not gatekeeping, it's closer to harm reduction. To get the best information, obviously the people running dedicated simracing channels are going to be better than a channel focused mainly on computers and random tech.
@@watersnortmoment3734 I don’t agree with this. I frequent sim racing subreddits and am always looking on how to improve my stuff and I know the channels your talking about for games as well as product reviews and love them all but none of them have even close to half the reach of LMG and if this can bring more people into sim racing I welcome it. This is the ultimate gatekeeping and it’s quite bad in the sim racing community.
The reason this is a great video is: I'm not into cars, I don't have a license, I don't care about driving, I hate driving games, but Jakes genuine enthusiasm makes me wanna play with this wheel!!! I've played Forza and this looks really fun!!
Thank you for this great video! You went very in-depth, even if it isn't a standard PC part, you took your time, explained the materials and built it. I was very sad in the way you LTT made the last "racing setup" video, so I'm very glad to see this video not holding back and really appreciating the product and paying attention to the things racing game fans would care about. This was really well done!
My favorite thing about driving with flip flops is taking them off while I drive. I tried to drive with them on. That lasted about 15 seconds. Then I discovered, it's amazing driving barefoot. The amount of control uou feel is crazy you can feel the engine vibrating through the pedals. You can even grab the pedals with your toes. And you are hyper aware of your feet positioning because you can feel everything. Unlike when you are stomping around in shoes.
I know theres a lot of super detailed reviews on this wheel from the hardcore sim community, but I am very very happy to get an impression from someone who doesn't drive super high end gear on a daily basis. Naturally if you come from a DD2 you'll feel the CSL DD will be much weaker. But since they're directly comparing to something the average person is more likely to own, you get a less biased opinion.
I feel the same way, I was expecting a trainwreck but this video ended up being quite enjoyable in a different way than the hardcore sim racer channels. At the very least it looks like Jake fixed his FOV, which I was wondering if he was going to mention in the video. I kinda feel bad as one of the people giving him crap about it last time lol
@@Tarets biased as in being able to say "yea 5nm is as good or enough of an upgrade from a logitech" vs "you need a 8nm at minimum because I've used a DD1 and this is too weak"
@@zergslayer69 If you're upgrading from a csl elite you will notice that you're down on torque without the boost kit, but that's a little bit of a different market lmao
I have been doing extra work on saturdays to finally get into sim racing with this here base. If everything goes according to plan everything will arrive at the start of my stay-in two weeks holliday. I'm sure it will be a great time.
Got my CSL DD along with many peripherals from Fanatec about 1 month ago. Haven't had such a good time in driving games since back on gran Turismo on PS1 Would love more sim videos guys!
This with VR would be so amazing, I’m sure somehow has already mentioned that in the comments. But the thought of that just excites me, like an at home arcade machine
Considering most wheels for video games people have felt are between like 3 and 6 pounds and physically larger, it makes sense. And this is still the small one! The one I snagged earlier this year is about 35.
Not really. The normal base costs $350. You can get their pedals for $70 and their cheapesty wheels start at $150 (although I think some are currently out of stock as they transitioning to the new line up. Hell, you could probably find one of their cheaper wheels used for ~$100. My buddy just bought a used CSL Elite w/ pedals and a P1 wheel for $400). So you can get a whole new Fanatec set for the mid $500's (or less if you don't mind used). I bought a new CSL Elite Starter set (w/ pedals and wheel) for $550 from Fantatec a couple of years ago. So while these guys cleary don't know much about the simracing world you very much can get a whole Fanatec set starting in the mid $500's if you have some patience/get lucky. And believe me it is more than worth it. You get A LOT more bang for you buck with something like the CSL DD than anything Logitech or Thrustmaster currently offers.
@@TheBrennanSchafer going of current Fanatec website prices(Europe), the setup 'as tested' costs €700, or $828usd. Before shipping, so probably nudging $850. Price in the review should as closely reflect the current price as possible, no used market, or getting lucky in a sale, etc. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ I used to love Fanatec wheels I've had three or four over the years. But the way they've moved I to pro-sumer has priced me out, for what is only a part time hobby. So I'd hate for someone to get their hopes up thinking what they're seeing is what they'd get for the quoted price. And that's without the quick release because I couldn't find the right one.
@@SiggsGBR well, yeah I guess that’s over in Europe. I was referring to the North American pricing (where this was filmed). As tested, it’s only $600 US dollars. So not much over what they were saying. Fanatec’s website automatically adds taxes for the region and you guys over in Europe have VAT and other higher taxes than we do which is why your prices are higher. I disagree with the whole pro-sumer notion. I think Fanatec is just trying to make a quality product. Unfortunately mimicking real world steering forces it takes a strong (>5 Nm) and agile motor which isn’t cheaper to do properly. Sure if you compare it to toy wheels like G29 or T150 it looks expensive but they are for different markets one is made for a younger crowd mostly playing on consoles and Fanatec is aimed more at enthusiasts who are older and sim race as a hobby. Even then $600 isn’t all that much to spend on a hobby as an adult. Hell, it’s not unusually for cyclists to spend $2000- $8000 on a decent mountain or road bike. Let alone the cost of a hobby like real world racing. To put it in prospective someone making min wage where live would only have to work one 5-day work week to afford and entry level Fanatec set-up and for those with a normal job they would only have to work a couple days for that kind of money. When you break down the 1000’s of hours of entertainment it can bring you it’s actually and extremely cheap form of entertainment. I know wages are less for you guys in Europe and prices/taxes are higher (which provides you guys with other benefits) but that’s not really Fanatec’s fault. That how you guys have chosen to run your economy. Which again had its pros and cons but this is unfortunately a con for you guys.
I mean, the T300RS (2 pedals, wheel and base) is typically around $350. Getting Fanatec's cheapest full config for the CSL DD comes out to over $630 ($200 for a wheel with buttons, $350 for the base, $80 for the pedals, $30 for the table top mount). They really can't be compared to one another.
That's a total of 680, not 630. And you haven't counted the delivery price yet, which even within europe is 30-40€. Not to mention, for 350 you can get the top T300 edition with gorgeous Alcantara rim, while the Fanatec WRC is literally the cheapest flimsy rim you can choose. The motor is most important, obviously, but it's not the only factor that adds up to the enjoyment, so I agree this comparison makes zero sense.
@@Tarets it does make sense to get this over any of the more expensive thrustmaster wheels though. Like the TS-PC or TS-XW. Those are kind of obsolete now. And unless you absolutely need more than 8 Nm I think this might even be a better option than all other DD wheels out there...
@@Darklord_tK I daily a 2013 Ford Taurus limited. The biggest gotcha for those is the water pump. Which is run by the timing chain. New water pump, chain, guides, and tensioner and ~12hrs labor $2200
When is comes to Sim Racing, especially to those that take is a full hobby to career, FANATEC is the best in the business!! I've owned FANATEC products since 2018 when the DD1 and DD2 debuted. The DD1 is still going strong and I've been convinced by this to get the CSL DD as my "on the road" rig!
@@vsd1988 id actually kinda dig it if they did a video on Assettos wonky performance habits, like, it only really utilizes 2 threads so what do I upgrade to get good VR performance. Running the absolute most average pc they built not too long ago
@@vsd1988 it do be wonky, like yeah it’s fine-ish in 2d even my most average gaming pc gets 80fps with most csp stuff turned on SOL installed and high graphics but try hitting full refresh rate in VR, on a server with many different car mods and see what’s up! I can’t get on SRP and Touge Life 2 without getting nauseous from the spikes in frame time
@@raptorjeezus2607 ofcours you will have to turn down things for VR...don,t expect to run it with all the eyecandy in VR. I had an oculus rift 1st gen and it was fine for what it was. i was at a nice 90 fps all the time but you have to do the tinkering for your setup.
Short Circuit! So glad you actually weighed the beast.. I have a motion rig and weight is important to me. 11.2 pounds.. yep.. Thank you so much! DMAX motion sim ch
Well, the normal base costs $350. You can get pedals for $70 and their wheels start at $150 (although I think some of their cheaper wheels are currently out of stock as they transition to the new line up. You could probably find one of their cheaper wheels used for ~$100). So you can get a whole Fanatec set for a little over $500. I bought a CSL Elite Starter set (w/ pedals and wheel) for $550 a couple of years ago. So while they cleary don't know much about the simracing world you can get a Fanatec Set starting in the mid $500's if you have some patience/get lucky.
@@TheBrennanSchafer Thats true but this base cost 400 for the normal version and 500 for the pro version. so you still need to buy everything else on top of that.
I really love the fanatec guys who produced and design the wheel I'm so glad I can buy this for about 500 bucks. Im going to upgrade to DD wheel and cannot find something at the same price lmao
Something like this would be even more immersive in VR. I have an El cheapo Logitech driving Force GT that I got on eBay for like 50 bucks, and even that old thing is great in VR.
Yeah, I never drive with flip flops anymore after I almost did something similar. I just end up taking them off and driving barefoot, which has gotten me some strange looks before
@@tooplanx I feel safer driving barefoot than I do in my flip flops, having no heel means that the shoe doesn’t always pivot with my foot correctly and it ends up wedging itself on the side of either the gas or the brake
@@_Gecko Yeah, flip flops are dangerous for driving. Barefoot is bad because if you're in an accident it might make it difficult for you to get out of your vehicle of you're surrounded by broken glass.
3 года назад
that Fanatec... what a dream... maybe one day I would be able to get one... for now, only crying because "every day I wake up Brazilian"
Same exact thing happened to me way back when with flip flops... except I plowed into the back of another car.... Which hit another car.... Then another. It was a bad day. I feel your pain, and I never again have worn flip flops while driving. Anyway. I just bought one of these. Pretty pumped.
Takes me back to the 4-banks of Sega Rally Championship they used to have about 18 years ago. Had a huge amount of fun on those - drinking and driving was encouraged!
"it's so much better" well yes, it also costs almost double for just the motor vs your entire thrustmaster t300 rs (motor, wheel, pedals). So almost double and you only get the motor, then you have to buy the wheel and pedals. So let's say you spend 3 times what you spent on the thrustmaster... It's not really a fair comparison is it?
What are you even going on about? Its just better and the only thing he has to compare it to and has never driven anything other than a T300. Also without the boost kit the wheel base costs as much as a T300.
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt You get a new T300 RS for 300 euro delivered to my door and there's big sales all the time. The Fanatec CSL DD base is 350 plus shipping and good luck finding much of a sale from fanatec. Then it's 150 - 200 for a wheel and 80 - 100 for the most basic pedals, that's 600 bucks minimum before shipping. So you're right, it's only double. It shouldn't be much better than the t300, you're only paying double... Are you seriously trying to have this discussion?
I started out with a Fanatec club sport wheelbase and pedals a couple of years ago, now I have an $11,000 sim racing setup. It's a rabbit hole to disappear down for sure once you get into this stuff, but so much fun!
Do you reckon one could replace the wheel with a third party one, like with say, an original steering wheel from a bus? Do you have to attach the wheel it comes with? People like to model bus or lorry cabs to play with simulators, so that's why I'm wondering.
Possible. Fanatec did a wheel hub for the older range with all the electronics and buttons in it. You then attached the proper racing wheel of your choice via the standard 6 bolt pattern. No reason you couldn't find someone to design and knock up an adapter for an old Leyland Atlantean wheel if that's your poison. 🤣
If it can be done with the Logitech G920/290, I don't see why it couldn't be done here. Loads of people custom make adapters for the Logitech wheels and sell them.
@@BarryMahcockiner ah yes, what studies?, the one that treats obesity as one of the worst illnesses of the world?, the humongous problems that carry on? c´mon i know you are american but try to use your brain once
Yes, the motor body is certainly an extrusion with minimal machining. It would come as a 20' stick, get cut to rough length, get faced on both sides to exact length, lathe turned or bored to get the inside to the proper diameter to hold the motor stator, and have the threads tapped in both ends. Could be done in 2 setups on the proper machine. The entire outside is likely unfinished as extruded, color anodized.
I would be interested in feeling the difference between 5nm wheelbase and the T300 but I'm not going to buy a new setup to find out. I'm really happy with the T300RS GT and I think it offers enough power to cause injury to a child or someone who leaves their fingers between the wheel when it spins, lol. It is a huge step up from the clanky Logitechs.
I have a DD2 with a couple of clubsport and CSL wheels, the V3 pedals and the clubsport SQ all sitting on my SimLab rig (with buttkicker)(planning on getting the DOF H6 soon). I do a lot of iracing and asseto corsa, all in a valve index. It really is a super immersive experience and I have pretty much replaced my irl racing habit with simming, it's saved me a ton of money these past few years and my cars all get to be garaged and not beaten up every summer except for the occasional track day and spirited driving weekend. I highly recommend getting into modern race simming if you enjoy racing, flight simming is almost even better with modern hardware out there now (I've only got a warthog thustmaster setup and MFG crosswind for now, maybe VKB in the future). Can't wait to go to DOF, now if they only made a full-axis tilt seat so I can get some irl g-forces, lol.
so you have a grin, because you played it, you have a grin because you watched someone else play this and I have a grin, because I watched you guys playing and recognizing, that my CSL DD will come in about a month :)
*Forex/Crypto is bringing a different revolution to the World's Economy, people are so optimistic, Investors earn constantly while some just sit and watch rather than to Invest and make Profits...*
From the bottom of my heart, thank you, no really! - I have been watching so many reviews of this product, but you are the only one who truly showed emotions, and that tells me that i gotta get that old G27 to the fleemarket. Thank You.
So weird, I just got into sim raing this week and suddenly you upload something sim racing related lol Have the T300 too btw^^ Looking forward to upgrade to a fanatec in the future
8:00 if you have to put it on a jank desk, try to see if you can fit a piece of wood on both sides to disperse the clamp force and to reinforce the desk a little. I had to do that to clamp a dual monitor stand on those crap Ikea desks that are not real wood and it did very well.
I had a big smile on my face. It quickly faded with the EMI / Static issues the Fanatec products suffer, and then became a frown when I experienced their slow and unresponsive customer support.
