This Might Be The Best Advice I Have Ever Seen 

Nature's way? We invented writing

@@CrunchyBuncherAre we not part of nature? Welcome to epistemology 101.

@matisek, o e of my all time favorites, paraphrased by many famous writers, or many internet lies.

@@CrunchyBuncher human nature is nature, we are nature. stupid dualism

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That's just plain awesome!

Bro i wanna see that!!!

Cool

without pictures it did not happen

He has some pretty hot takes in my opinion. I don't agree with much of what he says.

LMAO!

White board war games for the win. 😂

That's such a power move! 😂 Only downside is that they'll expect it more often.

In videogames, this happens frequently. I've been in meetings discussing issues which were finished, but because not everyone is a software engineer in the project, some people just "cannot do tech" and had improperly imported stuff. Like, this huge meeting gets called up because three people "cannot access our so-called working project" and the answer is "Oh, yes, you have to click "build" in the assets package there before you run it. Can us grown-ups go back to work?"

@@DudeWatIsThis those kinds of instructions should be better documented, or ideally, not something they need to do themselves at all

@@thekwoka4707 In my opinion, all game designers should be software engineers. All producers/project managers should be software engineers as well. This way, we can have artists and musicians send us their stuff, and we'd implement it all ourselves on the technical side, with people who understand what they're doing.

​@@thekwoka4707 I work with a lot of artistic people in audiobook production. Anything I do, I have to be like, "Can a 5 year old do this?" If not, I need to try and make it more foolproof. Had a VA have an issue with some text, and I showed her how to open up a different file, and told her to copy the text out and paste it into a word processor. She didn't know how to open one on her Mac, and since I don't know what the Mac default word processor is even called, I asked her to open her email and dump the text in there LOL. So ya, a good amount of effort is spent making sure I don't have to have more such conversations lol.

For real. I don't care if a web page takes ages to load or if my xbox crashes, but there are if statements between the brake pedal and the actual brakes in every modern car, and I think we'd all rather they didn't have untested corner cases or UB hiding in them.

Tim is right on this, the total time working on the code will still be the same but it's better to get something working first and refactor or add to it then it is to just build something once and never look at it again.

​@@CivilizedWasteland Poor code is often unfixable... more and more effort and cost is sunk into papering over ever more ever smaller cracks. By the time the rewrite happens no-one can derive the requirements from the code. I'm all in favour of POCs and prototypes, but 90% working code never makes it beyond 95% working code. Don't aim to write poor quality code to fix later because that is all you will ever have.

Idk if this was deliberate but the UI radiotherapy example is an actual incident that ended up giving someone cancer . I think low level programming made a video about it titled something like "This but killed 6 people".

Love his videos. Great story teller. Great explainer of things.

I usually brainstorm in a separate draft project, opened in my IDE of choice. That draft will contain the most jank-code, known in the entire universe... I then refactor it and copy paste it into the real project, bit by bit...

Pencil guy pens make me feel dumb it's hard to explain.

Mechanical pencil is where it’s at for me

That's exactly why I have a e-reader that can take notes. It's small enough to be able to carry around like a tablet, and it feels like I'm writing on paper. A lot of my colleagues think I'm a bit nuts but it's really a good way to work through your workflow.

For brainstorming sure, but i try to also have a note app like Notion or Onenote handy at all times(on my phone for ex) so i can write down whenever i get a good idea(which is usually when i'm not coding at all)

Great explanation. I'd also add that in many cutthroat corp environments the manager pressuring you to just ship it, and telling you that "perfect is the enemy of good enough" will then send the blame your way when the not perfect parts of your cause issues down the road. I've had good managers that I trust to defend me in a "move fast and break things" environment, but when that trust isn't there you learn coping mechanisms like padding estimates to ensure you're not risking your professional credibility.

That is true most of the time but with Warframe you basically only have thinga to grind and almosg all the temporary events are just repeating alerts. And its the game the devs actualy make time to rework significnat parts of it all the time. Imo only the "one and done" type solo games really cannot afford redo it later because they just wont fet touched until rework decade+ later.

And when a dev house does try to set Caution aside, they quickly acquire the 'scam' label: Star Citizen

They won't even let you clean up the code? With this way of working, no wonder most AAA games end up being a buggy, unoptimized mess.

@@yuichikita6018 It isn't even about being "let". You just don't have actual time to go back and do it. And if it's anything major, you also need to do enough testing to ensure you didn't cause a regression and chances are your QA org is minuscule if it exists at all, and the iteration times for some of these test scenarios are long... it does suck.

Maybe its the people who are afraid to ask and raher waste time figuring everything themselves. The perpetual soloers

"Pre-mature optimization is the root of all evil." and all that.

@635574 could be but very often, no one knows.

​@@635574it is also because today's stacks and platform have this complex abstraction code that you are never quite sure of feasibility as if you were coding things from scratch. E.g. currently no one codes a game from scratch, u must use unity or sth, hence to implement any feature you must know if unity api fully supports it, how and why.

Yep, all of these ran through my head as good reasons for actually following the process as opposed to just cowboy-coding it and submitting. Even though "it takes 45 minutes to code," that completely ignores all the other considerations, including things as simple as "now it has to be tested" and performance profiled, and all the rest.

4 weeks is then saying they don't want to spend 30 minutes on it now because they need to be agile in their sprints. Instead of going to the team and asking "hey, anyone wanna do this simple thing?"

I’m curious what would’ve happened if he just let them take 4 weeks to do it. Would it have actually been completed “on time”?

probably had a different task and with existing glitches took him a month, so he decided to be safe this time

@@ferinzz Yanno, I thought about this more, and I think 4 weeks kind of makes sense depending on the org if they mean it will take 4 weeks to get that change merged into your main branch, and not it will take 4 weeks to work on. For example, I work at a corporation that has major issues with being obsessed with process that massively slow us down, hence my own example of 30 minute tasks expanding to 6-8 hours for me commonly. Plus a lot of tech debt, legacy kludge, etc. The classics. Hypothetical worst case scenario, I get someone important from marketing coming to me and directly asking me to do X request. It's 45 minutes to code it. Well they aren't allowed to do that, I need a ticket to be converted to a user story or **I** will be getting in trouble even if nothing goes wrong, let alone if something does. That user story has to be reviewed and prioritized by our scrum master/supervisor and it won't go directly to them, the BA's go through those tickets first. So that'll make it to me in somewhere under 48 hours **if** they directly hassle my boss's boss about it. Okay now it's to me, but tomorrow is the code freeze, and QA has no capacity. If I shove this out without testing, I will personally get in trouble if anything goes wrong or even if someone notices to bring it up later in any way, because I'd be breaking process to get shit done. Code freeze lasts two days, the next sprint starts after, and this story still hasn't been groomed yet. Now at this point finally if I'm feeling nice and want to go out of my way, I can slam those code changes back, force a task into the sprint for it, and then sit on it until next sprint. Next Sprint rolls around, I pass the task over to QA for testing, it's been 5 work days at this point, maybe 6. QA takes a full day to test it, don't ask me why I ain't opening that can of worms. It's been at least 6 full work days, I set this up for a code review and with some nudging in the DMs, I get this done in 7 work days. 9 if I and the BSAs don't prioritize it above and beyond what we're actually required to do. Okay, 9 days isn't bad right? But the next deploy/push to prod is 2 weeks from day 6 in this process, so it's going to have taken roughly 3 weeks to complete. Suppose I actually had higher priority work demanded by *other* important people in the company too eh? Easily could have been 5 weeks if we missed that second deploy window. I also am required to test my work not just shit it out, so 45 minutes of dev work with our build times and requirements is realistically 1-2 hours minimum real work, then probably 4 hours of bullshit that still constitutes "real work" in the corporate agile scrum world, plus QA, so it's probably 10 labor hours from the dev and QA, 1-2 from our BSAs and the scrum master. So suffice it to say I **am** pretty black pilled on agile scrum at this point but I actually sympathize with this random dev assuming they were referring to the time until this feature could be in whatever internal live/prod equivalent build in their process and not the time to actually work on it. I'm still halfway through the video watching bit by bit over my work day, but I hope this isn't going in the direction of, "actually devs are just too timid these days, back in my day. . . . " because I'd bet dollars to donuts any such change is the result of how organizations choose at a systemic level to do development, and how to punish failure and reward success. Personally, I would *love* to do a lot more "get shit done" type activity, but if I decided to be the change I want to see in the world and acted that way, I would rapidly get fired and become someone's "10x longer to accomplish anything" developer story on medium.

@@aza1209 He literally wrote them the code

I've been told this my whole life, but it's never done anything for me. Just takes me 6 minutes to get my thoughts out instead of 1.

@@Hwyadylaw Well, there are no universal solutions, just things that seem to work for "most people" and "it general". There are always exceptions! I'd know, I'm pretty used to being the exception when it comes to a lot of things =)

I found this when I was younger and typing couldn't hold a torch to handwriting in terms of absorption and I went along time not enjoying handwriting(hand pains/limititation of paper) and only last year when I went back to school and decided to impulsively buy a tablet did I find how it was the best of both worlds . And digital handwriting is something I think isn't considered or mentioned atleast as much as it should. I think I really would've found my stride if I had this piece of tech in my grade school years, and I'm just slightly surprised the conversation seems to be purely typing vs paper n pen

​@@Hwyadylaw Same. I find most of the value from writing comes from the review/editing process rather than the initial draft process. My memory is already good, and writing doesn't help it any. The problem is when my thinking is super screwed up and needs the de-fragging that happens in the editing process. Editing is sooo painful on paper, and soo easy on a computer.

I was once a bicycle courier, and back I the day we had a pad of paper to write our deliveries out on. You never needed to look at it, because once you wrote it down you would remember it. If you didn't, you would ALWAYS miss one. You could have given us a pen with no ink and we would have probably been fine

he's so growing

they are weakening. I had to scroll down to get to the butt and crotch avatars. Step up your game, bots!

Most concerning part is.... that they are sometimes literally full nude.. and youtube isn't able to see that

@@Sakrosankt-Bierstube but it removes totally normal comments no problem

@@formbi Brooo.. don't get me satrted on that. Everytime i actually take time and write a response to a ridicilous statement with a huge amount of facts and sources... youtube decides to randomly hide it. No insults, no direspect, just (atm) proven facts and answering all the questions...

Finishing returns or diminishing returns?

@@stevenrosscarpenter😆 I meant diminishing returns. I didn't even notice that typo. Thank you!

@@lawrencefitzgerald4744 no worries. And i definitely agree with your points

When it comes to writing I'm the opposite. I've always disliked writing by hand. I find it extremely tedious, ugly, slow, and hard to read. If I must take notes by hand they will always be terse to the point of being useless in about 1 week since I won't understand what the note was about and if I must write more than a few short phrases or words it will be scrawled so poorly even I will struggle to read my own handwriting. Typing is a godsend for me. *shrug* Also yes I have even more trouble reading other people's writing. If you hand me your hand written notes unless you printed them nice and clean it will be difficult to the extreme for me to decipher your handwriting.

That is what i was thinking. No matter how bad he is there is no way he needs 4 weeks to do an hour of job. 4 weeks is enough for someone that does not know how to do it to learn it and do it. It seems he needs 4 weeks because he was doing other things that needed weeks to do and he just put it on the back of the list. If he needed 4 weeks to do just that then what is he even doing there? why are you paying him or employe him?

But mostly, the crap you wrote is going to prod, immediately, forever.

@@JeremyAndersonBoise That's more of a problem with how easy it is to replace. If it's hard to replace then it'll stay. If it's easy to replace then it'll be gone.

@@CottidaeSEA Nah, corporations are averse to paying back any sort of debt - technical debt included. Even things that can be updated easily have to be justified by how much they "move the needle." The response from managers is always "if you can spend another 15 minutes updating something that doesn't matter then you can spend it updating something that does."

@@dissident1337 exactly. If it's hard to replace, it might be worth replacing eventually. If it's easy to replace, it might never be worth replacing at all.

@@dissident1337 Yeah, but it all depends on if the code needs to be changed. The manager shouldn't care about the code, that's not their job.

imo it's about managing productivity in jira metrics or lines of code rather than just looking at someone's abilities and/or drive holistically

it’s so common everywhere in our modern society that the measures of success becomes something that is quantifiably measurable just because it’s measurable, so all the things that aren’t easily measured gets completely ignored

this, I got shit a few times for this because I thought "it's gonna be a few hours of work!" and 3 days later after vastly underestimated the task, I have my manager on my ass, demanding why is it not done yet.

MVP

Quotes are worthless. Quoting is everything.

@@balijosu “The wisdom of the wise, and the experience of ages, may be preserved by quotation.” - Issac D’Israeli

@@jeffreyhymas6803 "I never said that." - Albert Einstein

Fyi: there are plugins that let you convert markdown into whatever confluence is using. If only confluence used actual markdown, so you wouldn't need to convert.

@@NostraDavid2 Speaking from experience as a former Confluence admin, round trip conversion between Confluence and other markup languages doesn’t work well at all. Heck, you can paste markup from Confluence directly back into where you copied it from and it will render differently after you save it.

I don't know why he hates on Confluence. What's there to hate?

Whiteboards and gay little systems for PMs aren’t even interchangeable. One is a charade and the other has solved real, important problems.

Thank you!

Ewwww confluence. Just use markdown files and feel nirvana

@@tropicaljupiter gay is not even a ad-hominem anymore, its not even offensive. I read gay and my mind equates it to "mediocre"

​@@monad_tcphonestly I saw it and translated it into the old (pre 1930s) definition of "happy". I read a lot of really old books as a child.

100 times this. You know what's more painful than confluence? Being the on call engineer for a customer facing error, opening docs to find out the failing service isn't even mentioned in the team's docs - because confluence takes too much time. I'm given 30 minutes to recover a system - devs get to ignore tech debt because "move fast and break things" (aka throw caution to the wind) because they aren't holding the bag.

​@@krityaan I think the solution to this is that every team must have a member on call, ready to help out when things blow up in prod. You should only be allowed to move fast and break things if you can fix things just as fast as you break them.

@@brettmurphy7588 this happened in Amazon - where oncalls rotate within team members 😂 It doesn't really work if everyone is afraid of PIP and on-time features are the only metric mgmt cares abt.

@@krityaan Devs don't "get to" ignore tech debt, they're often told that addressing it is forbidden. "Move fast and break things" is a management decision.

Proabaly senior devs arent at a risk of being fired or at all under scrutiny.

I hate abstraction, specially when it's used only at a single place.

@@DavidMorales-s8d Abstraction is an extremely powerful tool. But, as we learned from Uncle Ben: with great power, comes great responsibility. My approach to this is basically write the code inline and the right abstractions will reveal themselves. The wrong abstraction can hurt more than no abstraction.

Well yelling can lose you your job if HR gets wind of it. Why show your passion at work where you'll be punished for it vs doing your own personal project with the boys where HR won't stop the fun

At my internship with a (then) up-and-coming company, one of the grey hairs who was there from the start said that he loved working at the company up until it got big enough that the HR department was formed. After that, it became just another job.

The corporate culture of buzzwords and HR-compliant passive aggression seems absolutely soul draining, idk how anyone could define that as a good work environment

@@NihongoWakannai how did the corporates become like this?

this was 2005-2007 dude

@@ethanwasme4307 Yeah, it just sounded like Prime was saying that he still doesn't see the point of Jira even now, like whiteboarding is more favorable to track a team's work than Jira.

Yeah, I don't get the hate for Jira and Confluence.

@@HyperionStudiosDE I think Ayn Rand's novel "Atlassian Shrugged" really changed peoples perception of Jira.

Jira is shit.. because it is away from the code. Github issues are better, because they're closer to the code.

sounds interesting, is the thesis available anywhere?

@@user-sl6gn1ss8p I'll have to ask my mom. I know her thesis supervisor was trying to get her to publish, but I don't know if she ever did

That went deep, I see you, 🎉

Boss sounds crazy.

@@snark567 Honestly, the first time I worked under that boss, I would have agreed. The second time I worked for him (when this incident occurred), I had grown to realize that he wasn't just harsh for the sake of being harsh. It was that by allowing this type of behavior to continue would mean that the next people down the line would be sending "back charges" to fix the work of those before them, and those charges are already for work completed, which means that it's actually an out of pocket cost to the boss. So, the guy that showed he would be a loose cannon becomes too much of a risk to keep employed.

😂 fair

I would love to meet Mr. Cain if I was Abel.

this is very anime-esque

A well defined and respected leader is most definitely a requirement of any project.

You took a paragraph to write "a camel is a horse designed by committee"

Im not nearly 25yrs in but i 100% feel you

Worker owned companies with the management replaced by LLMs

yes

@@ThePrimeTimeagen dropping spontaneity like a hot potato :D

Never been on rota eh? Volunteering for the on call rota and fixing shit at 3am will put you on the fast track bruv. No need to do it if you don't want to, but most places will require it at some level of seniority. git gud and be a team player and own your shit, it's got your name on it.

@@seannewell397 I specifically mentioned "when you are on the clock fixing it". I'm talking about getting phonecalls on *my time*. Being a team player != being a slave.

gross

@@alexgabriel5877 some people think licking boots is gross, but I guess opinions are diverse.

@plumbingphase yeah. the new halo was such a hit.

​@plumbingphase"there's no way for everyone to be well off, so you must go at it alone". If you really believed that, would it not make sense for you to NOT tell people that? So that they fail and you win? Be the one that doesn't join the group, and receive head pats from your supposed betters, but in silence please.

@plumbingphase Right, lets be a cuck for corporations because the worker wants more respect and power in the workplace lol. Maybe the country should punish businesses that "offshore". And if it is feasible to automate it should be done regardless depending on the job. Keep simping for those billionaires. One day you will get yours...surely!

Well, seeing the flaws of capitalism doesn't take much. Coming up with something better is the hard part.

@@sealsharp Just a rewind to a version of capitalism which isn't as horrifically corrupt and putrid would be amazing in the short term.

@@dragonx3085 Also actually following the concept of capitalism would help too. Companies need to stop getting handouts and actually have the free market decide their value, the only non capitalist thing I think that should be forced is that employees are actually paid a fair wage to how much a company makes.

as well as worked on the outer worlds. His advice works for other industries too.