This might be the end of WordPress 

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Isn't git github?

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worlds leading employer in IT-sec

It's more of a CVE framework for developing your own vulnerabilities as extensions.

Best burn I’ve heard all week 😂

Welcome to the channel

Not surprised. That's what Theo does best

Theo is, basically, insulting someone for defending their copyright. If someone made "ThingUpload", you would have 10 videos about it.

@@espertalhao041 UploadThing is not an open source platform though

@@espertalhao041 Brother did you even see the sheer nonsense that was Matt's argument? I'll admit the title is insanely clickbaity but he's not wrong, Matt is actually acting insane. He's singling out a single host company for no reason like a maniac.

@@espertalhao041 aside from the obvious fact that the term 'WP' does not fall under any copyright law ever, it's kinda crazy how you commented this 20 minutes after the video was uploaded. Do you watch videos at 2x speed or do you just comment based on titles?

I don't know if it was different in the past but as far as I can remember and of 2024 UE boasts after $1M sales, they want 5%. If selling it on steam, you don't have to pay Epic a cent until you've gotten $700k (steam takes 30%). Additionally, Epic waves the 12% they take from their store if your game uses UE, finally taking 5% when you make the $1M sales.

@@Dovenchiko oh i see its 1m for ue and $200k for unity, thanks for pointing this out.

Then WordPress would not be GPL-based open-source, which Matt has lionized his entire career and has attacked other companies in a similar manner because they didn't follow the GPL in the manner he thought they should (rather than take them to court and let the court interpret the GPL, which should have been the appropriate approach since a license is in-fact a legal concept.)

He has a lot of distorted views living in his silicon valley bubble

Sadly, Theo is a bit hopped up on neolib juice lol

That's not at all what he said.

wp is not protected. Wtf are you saying? You know how many plugins and services use it?

​@@archmad WP is not protected and no one is arguing that. If you could actually go back in time and look at their communication on their website they did not just use the WP. Their packages were named "Wordpress Core" etc. making it much more opaque. I am not arguing for Matt or WP Engine - just clearing up your confusion.

@@archmad It's not about "WP", it's about strategic ways of using word "wordpress" on their website to intentionally create confusion and appear as being endorsed/official.

how so? wordpress code is open source, hosting it is not... Hosting costs money and resources, WPE provides that in exchange for your money. They also build and support ACF, WPGraphQL and more, they also offer a good headless solution. If anyone is "hacking up" WP, it's Automattic, they rebuilt the entire backend so they can limit what you can/cannot do.

If he can make a clickbait title out of it at some point, he’s gonna say he’s moving back to Wordpress

I had a stroke reading this

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To be fair, he clarified that investments will significantly increase the likelihood of a business success, not that one without won't succeed at all. But yeah, I'm on your side, it bugged me too. And in my opinion, the chef/stove analogy was off as well. Not having investments would be like starting with your house's stove, not no stove at all, instead of a fancy one like in restaurants. But you can still work your way up until buying one of them, without investments.

Yep, same. Especially since he made a point that bootstrapping a company would make you less of an "entrepreneur", which literally means "a person who sets up a business or businesses, taking on financial risks in the hope of profit". To me, being an entrepreneur means solving real issues, finding a value proposition in that and being able to attract customers with that. While I understand that scale is part of what makes you an entrepreneur or not, I've seen many examples of companies that I'd consider successful that didn't take any investments.

​@@theReal_WKD Everybody knows that a VC operates on the fact that 1 massively successful company pays for 9 OK companies and 90 duds. Saying investment increases likelyhood of success seems dishonest even in this context.

I immediately think about Tim Robbins in Team America. And the corporations, being all corporationy… and then they make money… hmm?

Well it is the GPL so theoretically they are supposed to publicise their modifications to the project.

At least Winamp tells you exactly what you get… a whole lot of code you didn’t ask for and potentially piggybacking on people’s new work. Time will tell… 🎉

@@Life4YourGames But isn't that what the WP Engine Support page does? If the argument is that it doesn't meet some "publicity threshold" type of thing, a splitting hairs-style issue that lawyers love, I can at least understand and pass it off as legalese nonsense that normal folks really don't care about. But to claim they aren't publishing the changes? Can't say I agree with that statement.

Exactly! (And extra bonus points for "Stallman's toe-jam soaked little socks," ewww 😂)

Except that Matt champions the GPL, when it benefits him. 😏

He was actually pretty reasonable in Primes stream

I watched the video and Theo’s attitude to Matt is not only wrong, but specifically more overwrote and nasty than anything coming from Matt or Automattic. He is defending a company that is leeching off the work of the open source community against someone who is trying to keep open source viable, however inelegantly. WTF. This will not be a good look for Theo, I don’t get it. Is he invested in WP Engine?😢

Yep, it's a tithe for the Church of WordPress, where the lion's share of the benefits accrue to Pastor Matt. 🤷‍♂️

With a cumulated coding experience in wp floating around 0h, am I right?😂😂😂

I think React devs hate PHP specially wordpress and laravel

@@zearthus7089 the funny thing is that a huge portion of Laravel devs are react devs too, same goes for many WordPress plugin developers, especially since the switch to the Gutenberg block editor

@@zearthus7089- Not that I am a fan of React - which I am not - but it is not like they don't have a good reason to hate PHP. And I should know. I developed professionally with a focus on WordPress+PHP for over a decade...

43% of websites worldwide use WordPress. It's a huge deal.

sir what does BDFL mean

@@pharmokan Benevolent Dictator For Life

It's not really dying if you watch the video

Don’t worry WordPress still powers a significant portion of the internet, great for blogs and seo

Dude relax, wp is getting bigger and better every year, the title is just FUD, a hatchet job

please don't let this irresponsible use of clickbait cause you stress. wordpress will be fine and so will your sites you built with it

Yeah, not going to happen. At least not voluntarily. There is more chance Donald Trump will step down from being a candidate for POTUS. 🤷‍♂️

Why 5% and not 3% or 30%? Who says what number is right and why?

Reciprocity? I see no reciprocity coming FROM Automattic, I only see reciprocity going TO Automattic. Which, ironically, makes it not reciprocity at all.

@@PiniiXevertrue, I used 5% only because Theo used it when talking about Linux. As for how much you should pay - we already have systems in place for that. How many % do you pay for any piece of your business that you can’t do without? Every company has its own breakdown of it, For example Developers 30%, card payments systems 5%, cloud infra 10%, finance 15% etc. So we should strive for a future where it is as normal to pay for Linux.

@@gearboxworkssure, but my comment had nothing to do with WP, and only focuses on Theo’s sad idea that paying for Linux is somehow not a good idea.

@@MrManafon - Thanks for the clarification. In general, I am in agreement with you then. That said, I assume you are familiar with the "tragedy of the commons?" If not, google it as it a very old concept that describes the funding challenges of open-source. If something is freely shared by everyone and nobody is required to pay, then (almost?) nobody does as they either assume someone else will and/or don't want to contribute when others are not. That's why trademark holders of open-source always contribute so much more than others as they are the only one with a defensible market position related to the software. And if the trademark holders cannot make money off the trademark then contributions to the software are even so much less. It is all sadly just human nature. 🤷‍♂️

yep

Y porque no confiaría en la IA, es más inteligente que ambos nosotros

​@@QuadDrumsyou don't do fact checking with AI, but the other way around

@@QuadDrums IA does not mean "intelligence"

if anything at all AI is pretty good at answering that type of question, since there's been enough people asking for it then there's bound to be enough data for it to make a sensible answer - LLMs are not reliable at all when it comes to some specific areas but for questions like that, it is no more than a summarizer of its dataset

The way I see it, AutoMattic is one of the massive companies that has has been one of biggest recipients of largess from FOSS, only contributing to FOSS when it overwhelmingly benefits AutoMattic instead of when it might only benefit others. That said, WPEngine is far from being an angel. #fwiw

On the broader point I agree. But mentioning Matt and morality in the same sentence has me doing a 🤦‍♂️ (Matt's morality is "What's good for Matt." IMO, of course.)

Not sure if he did, but sure seems like that Matt guy thinks so!