This might be the worst MacBook I've ever bought... 

Definitely took an L on this one

Maybe you should send it to Louis Rossmann as a sort of collaboration. I’m quite certain the board is saveable and it won’t be too expensive

As bad as the performance on 2016 era MacBooks might’ve been, you can’t deny they look great

Great video Luke, you are right about Apple Silicon Macs dropping in Value slowly. But you can pick up a M1 MacBook Air for around $600 now. I found one for $660 with 8GB of Ram and 256GB of storage two months ago on eBay. It still had 5 months Warranty on it as well with box, charger etc... Definitely worth every cent/penny!

The slow speed might be a failed sensor reporting -126 degrees and the CPU being locked to 700mhz. This can also happen if communication with the battery doesn't fully work.

I had always wanted a MacBook since its design always appealed to me, but man I am so glad I waited until M1 to buy into the mac ecosystem. I don't have a single complaint about my M1 Air and the horror stories I hear of my friends Intel MacBooks all the time REALLY makes me glad I waited.

I had a similar problem with my 2017 13" non touchbar MacBook Pro. The problem started a week after Apple replaced the swollen battery. I ended up replacing the ssd which solved the problem.

The design is unbeatable though. I prefer it to the new 14 and 16 inch models.

Had this exact same machine with the exact same issues. After one year struggling with apple they gave me a new one. Apparently the issue was with the SSD.

I remember having undiagnosable issues with both 2016 and 2017 Macbook Pros. Had to meticulously explain every detail to Authorized Repair who looked at me like I was crazy. Inconsistent wifi, inconsistent thunderbolt, system hangs under specific GPU loads, corrupted file exports. Replaced the motherboards and sold them off

Luke, I would be interested to know if this cursed laptop stabilizes when running from an external drive. Use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the OS + everything to a Samsung T5 or similar and boot from that. If it runs stable then it's likely an SSD issue. Otherwise it sounds like maybe electrical short or overheating, have you tried MacsFanControl?

Please call Louis Rossmann and collab on this MacBook. 😂

I got a 2017 macbook pro for $1300 and it was the worst laptop I've ever purchased by a country mile. Somehow managed to sell it for $500. Now I have a 2020 m1 air that has been an absolute workhorse for over 2 years.

I don’t want to be rude but I see people upgrading their iPhones and macs every time a new model drops out while an old iPhone 6s can get iOS 15 and 2015 MacBook Air can get macOS Monterey. I still don’t understand why people upgrade their Apple products every 1 or 2 years?

I had a 2017 non-touch bar MacBook Pro, which I bought in September 2018 for uni. In March 2021 I upgraded to the M1 MBP because my 2017 laptop was unusable. The battery lasted 2 hours at best, it would freeze with just microsoft word open, zoom and other similar applications would constantly crash (which wasn't great for online school), and it would become so hot it could double up as a hot water bottle! My M1 MBP is still, a year later, miles better than my 2017 MBP ever was. I don't think I've heard the fans once on this laptop, yet that was an hourly occurrence before - I can't believe they were the same price when I bought them.

I paid $220 for a cursed laptop. This is how horror movies start…

Dual Core anything from 2009 to 2020 is a bad time.

Trade it in to Apple!! I got $190 for a 2012 13” and $200 for an original 12” MacBook. I know I could have gotten more on eBay but anyway, the main point is, with it appearing working at first glance, and being in good cosmetic shape, it has a good chance of passing the cursory inspection they do before (probably) shredding it, as Apple loves to do with any device they get back 😂

that MacBook has to have an issue with some type of power circuit that isn't tested on the diagnostic. could also be the reason for the battery drain

I still have and love my 2015 13" MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM/256GB SSD/512GB MicroSD Card. It's an i5 and it's not a custom build. I bought it from Apple directly 1 day before they ceased sale of them upon releasing the Touch Bar MacBook Pro. I read some horror stories then and certainly couldn't forego my USB-A ports for 4x USB-C. The Mac to this day works flawlessly, never have any system issues, battery is still awesome. The Mac is running on Catalina. I'm not going any higher. This software version may not be 100% perfect but I don't like the look of Big Sur or Monterey. The best MacOS IMO would be Snow Leopard. As for iPhones. I have pretty much every model from the 3GS and above. I have stopped at iPhone SE 2nd Gen. I am satisfied with it and it's Dual Line capabilities, battery life is good, camera does the job. Not interested in getting a phone that costs the same price as a computer!

„You don’t nesseceraly need to say that it’s working” -Laughs in 2011 17” MBP.

You should try sending it to Louis Rossmann, if it is a logic board issue, he has the schematics to diagnose and fix the issue. He could make a video as well, so more publicity for you.

Luke, send the logicboard to Paul Daniels / Louis Rossmann, it would be interesting to see what’s wrong with it!

Yeah, I'll stick to my 2012 MBP. Very good machine, especially since upgrading to 16 gb ram, SSD and the improvement that made the most difference was going from Catalina to MX Linux. It is now lightning fast.

I can’t believe I really considered buying one. Thanks Luke 😅, you just saved my wallet. I’ll just be going for the M1.

I wanna see Louis Rossman fix this if possible 😂

I would like to see Mr. Rossman trying to diagnose and fix it. Also it would be great collaboration.

so I have a 2017 15inch MacBook Pro. I have had repaired it like 4-5 times. and 4 times out of it it was in the first year of use. The repair included full replacement of top case part of the body - including keyboard, speakers, unibody and all other things. The first thing was died left speaker. Then right speaker, then keyboard and then keyboard again. This is just 1st year. And this is just a Touch Bar model. As far as I knew at this point the models without touch bar were much more stable in that areas and many my friends didnt have any problems.

Your problems are why I will never buy another MacBook. Ever! Apple doesn’t care about you… They just want your money. They will never admit to their mistakes and will expect you to pay for them. When my 17” MacBook Pro died from a faulty graphics chip I was told to shut up and go away.

8:08 I would ship it to Tim Cook with a nice side note : « please fix your sh*t, thank you ». 🤣🤣🤣

“Haunted MacBook” Sounds like the next season of “American Horror Story” to me. Or a band.

The 1:12 slick styrofoam thumb garbage off table hide. NICE. NIIIIICE 🤣

Great video Luke. You are very honest and straightforward. I did take your advice and bought a early 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inch with the core i7 and 16 GB RAM. Needed a new battery but with help from iFixit I was able to replace the battery myself! I did note that when I replaced the battery that the SSD is replaceable on this model. Amazing! Keep up the good advice. (pst baking soda and water cleaned off the Apple scummy anti-reflective goop)

Sounds like you've got one of those MacBooks designed by 1980s Chevrolet

There should be a Facebook group called "2016-2019 Macbooks (butterfly keyboard generation) should never have existed"

Have you tried doing a thorough check of the RAM chips? I've owned a computer in the past that was working but it showed similar problems like the ones you described. It turned out that one of the RAM upgrades had one corrupt chip and after I replaced it, all my problems were solved.

I was having the same problem with my previous 2017 non Touch Bar MacBook Pro 512GB. I bought it used for $950 and the guy said it is perfectly fine. The random shut down occurred a week after I bought the machine, and it continued randomly for around twice a week. I visited the Apple store for 4 times and the diagnosis turns out to be ok and of course they only offer me the option to replace the logic board. I was so frustrated and turns out sell it for less than half the price. I’ve heard of ppl saying it is a SSD issue tho I can never verify. What I am certain is I will NEVER buy a used MacBook.

If you bought a Macbook 2017 for 200$ than you definitely bought one with issues. These usually are in the $300+ range in good condition.

my 2017 15-inch has no problems at all, yes it has had a replacement battery through Apple Care everything works perfectly without any issue, the screen is perfect. I now have a 2021 15 inch M1 Pro, but I use the 2017 as a secondary machine when I need it. I think my 2017 was one of the good batch.

This is not a 1M channel yet but as a tech-Apple fan this is one of my favorite channels even compared to those with 1M+ subscribers! Keep the good work

Today I intentionally went looking for hate on the 2017 Macbook Pro as my 15' Macbook Pro has destroyed a third external hard drive via the ports on the right side this time, I absolutely hate this laptop.

I recently purchased a base model MacBook Air M1 with AppleCare+ (good until Dec of 2023) for $650. It's only really crime is being gold. I put a Fishskyn on it and love it so much!!

I have a 2017 non-touchbar MacBook Pro. It will get very got and the fan will randomly spin up to full speed when doing just simple tasks like internet browsing. Also the screen is starting to discolor a little around the edges and corners. Still use it almost every day tho.

Luke, I would suggest trying your luck with Louis with this laptop as well. Would be interesting to hear from Louis Rossmann about what the issue is as well in a second video

My guess is that this is a result of failed capacitors and possible PMU failure.

i can relate! this sht happened to me when i was in online school! happy that apple gave a new 2020 m1 max for 1.2k USD thisyear after they probably spent close to 8,000 USD on the numerous rapairs (18 times over 3 years) for the keyboard, t2 chip, and display cable, touch id and the screws loosening form the case, the touch bar loosening from the frame and many other repairs ;\ i am happy with my m1max 24 core which is 8x times faster, whilst being barely warm to the touch... and no more beach balls of death even when stablising 4 streams of 4k. 20minutes tasks are now 2 minutes! my coffee machine is slower than my computer!

I owned this same exact model and can confirm the performance was atrocious and the battery drain issue was so aggravating. Using a 16” M1 Max MacBook and it’s night and day.

I have MacBook Air 2017 I preferred this model as at that time newer models keyboards were causing issues, mba 2017 is perfect I use it for school work, minecraft,some video editing, for listening songs,for movies

I feel like a component on the pcb failed causing it to short at random. Which would both explain freeze battery drain and the refusal to boot. Maybe it's even ppbus itself

When your Mac stops working or behave weirdly, you don't take it to the Apple store, you take it to Louis Rossman. Even I know that and I have never owned an Apple products.

Leaving a battery fully charged wears it out even if the cycles are few. In fact, not having it drained down to 40 percent or so shortens lifespan.

I was gifted one by a friend, he couldn´t use it because of the flex gate. It had 30 cycles. It behaves great as a desktop computer with an external monitor. It is probably the least pro macbook pro ever made. But for free it is great. No other issues.

2:59 I GOT AN AD IMMIDIATELY AFTER YOU FINISHED THAT STATEMENT LOLLL

Don't sell it for parts, those parts will likely be haunted as well, like the James Deans car that killed everyone who used the salvage parts in their own race cars.

I have a 2012 13” MBP, pre-Retina with an optical drive. Still getting 5+ hours of battery life, the keyboard is rock solid, I upgraded the RAM myself and swapped the HD for an SSD. Remember the good old days.

Two words - Louis Rossmann

Have you tried Latin incantations or the application of blessed 99% isopropyl alcohol?

I am still using a Mid 2014 Macbook Pro 15” Retina 2.5ghz model and I still love it. Works flawlessly just took it to Apple to get the battery replaced

Great videos! Just like with crisps, I keep saying "okay, this will be the last one" ...and by the end "well, one more can't hurt, right?" Keep them coming, Luke!

My 2018 macbook pro was cursed like this, after 3 months of battling with it, I returned it, and used the Australian Consumer Law to get a refund - basically it was not fit for purpose. A laptop should be able to launch zoom and word without bombing out. I kept my store credit (I was happ with that) and got the macbook air m1, what a difference! :)

Problem is: Intel simply stopped working for Apple in that era, because they already KNEW what was around the corner... I bought a Second hand 2017 MacBook Pro, 15', 2TB SSD, 16Gb Ram, i7 upgraded, and I can state after 3 months it isn't just quite right... I mean, I checked every single part and apparently there are no problems whatsoever. Battery showed service and i managed to resurrected it form the death row... As a matter of fact it was just Half of his Life.. But...but I faced so many problems with the OS (Ventura, one of the worse MacOs I ever encountered, it's worse than Sierra, High sierra, El Capitan all together) than I can't even tell.... Connection Laggy, Audio Lags with a bunch of Plugins on a DAW, and List is so long I forgot everything. The only advantage is its speed and power....

I’d pay $70 for it to sit on my shelf for display

Besides the screen…. Switch the battery That behaviors sounds very much like a dead battery controller The issues with power, low battery life, random hard crashes with slight chances for recovery, the charging behavior….

Went through film school with this exact configuration lol, first computer I bought myself.

My conclusion: that macbook is going through a major depression. send it to mountains for having fresh air and getting its act together

Put the logic Board in the oven for some time - maybe there are some broken solder joints which only disturbing the device when the device is running or so. I don't know. ;) Or maybe the cooling is damaged so that it is running to hot and throtteling.

Random question: where did you get the light in the background on the right?

Sound like the kernel is corrupted or one of capacitors on the board is about to go out for good. I would format the computer completely and do a fresh internet recovery. If that doesn’t fix most of the issue it is a capacitor that is about to go out. Some of the issues you are explaining is because I did an Internet Recovery on a slow internet connection. Which in turn corrupted the kernel. I was about to sell my computer, before I figured it out. I had these issue on a 2020 MacBook Pro

"The question should be What IS IT a problem" What does that even mean 😂😂😂😂

I have the same and it sounds like a jet engine when I’m playing a game in class. It always exposes me.

Sounds like a crack in the motherboard - bad ram trace. If you flex the chassis of the laptop when it’s working and it freezes, you’ll know you have a ram related problem. RAM is soldered - DOH!

2017 Macbook Pro....I've met people who've spent $$$ bought new, repaired under warranty. Only to say, 'what a P.O.S. that I paid over 2k CAN.'!!

Apologies if someone else already noticed this but Luke mentioned the m1 series dropping (at the time if the making of this video) down to the $500 range and BOOM he was right! They're dropping even more lately but personally I loved the a1708 model despite it not being far off from the a1706 he is has there. I'm not a fan of any touch bar macs honestly I've fixed them.

I also had this happen with a mac I had - 100% HAUNTED - SAME EXACT THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even My CAMERA would randomly turn on while I was gone, and I'd come back to My Studio with a CAMERA ON?????

Hi Luke, I had a similar issue with a late 2013 retina MBP which would randomly freeze and then shut down. Sometimes it would turn back on, but mostly not. Turned out to be the AirPort card. I left it out by accident and the laptop worked perfectly (albeit without wi-fi or bluetooth). Bought another on eBay and it was fine.

It could be heat sink, thermal paste, a contact with still consume battery or the battery going out and in. I suppose you tested ram with “rember”?

Luke : *Brings this to Apple* Apple : Have you tried rebooting your macbook sir?

Trying to fix Mac in official store is like going to vet with your broken arm.

Interesting. There are many MacBook Pros for sale in Apple Store refurbished dept but NO MacBook Airs. Interesting. I’m glad I purchased my refurbished MacBook Air late last year.

Man, Thank you for figuring this out. I thought i am only one who faced this issue and did the same thing that you suggested to get 2015 Model years ago.

Apple will probably give you trade-in credit for the demon MacBook. They gave me $480 for a 2018 MBP with a sticky spacebar. I was completely honest with the guy at the Apple Store. I guess they just felt bad about the terrible butterfly keyboard.

I have a 2015 15” MacBook Pro that is also haunted, at least its USB ports.

The MBP m1 Pro being $600 by end of 2022?!? Nah, that thing will be over a grand till into 2023

Still rocking a late 2011 MacBook Pro Made some mods to it, 1 tb ssd and 16 gb ram with a new battery Thing runs like a champ!!

I've seen enough Louis Rossmann and Northridge Fix videos to know that not all third party repair shops know what they are doing. I would be surprised if Alex would do a collaboration; he seems to be happy to do his own thing, but I know Louis has done several collabs.

I got a cursed 2016 macbook pro. It started with, the screen becoming murky even if you keep cleaning it the stains were permanent, the battery became bloated, and the screen went dead on it's 8th month. After that I got a Zephyrus, then a g14. When the M1 came, which is laptop performance and it's FANLESS! I switched automatically, the Zephyrus issue is the fans ALWAYS since having dogs I end sucking all their hair into the fans I have no choice but search for a fanless laptop.

There’s only two solutions to solve that macbooks issues: 1- Teresa Caputo -the odd looking medium from TLC. 2- Throw it out of the window.

me watching on my Mac which kernel panics if you watch a video with another tab open.

Luke!!! Break up the demon MacBookPro and sell the pieces or donate it to iFixit, exorcise the Mac demon!!! Fun video.

With those model, the 2017 touchbar and non touch bar Mac, most of the time that "kind" of isues when it freezes and reboots, not turning on, recognizes then not charging battery, trackpad not cliking and I am sure at 90% it is the ISL9239 on the motherboard. I fixed one Mac with similar issue by changing the ISL9239, it is a BGA chip. It controls pretty much the main power line for the Mac. It could also be a sensor issue, around the ISL9239.

I hate where Apple is going with all that "un-repairable and un-upgradeable" shtick of theirs.

I took my 2017 MacBook Pro to the Apple Store and got $430 toward an M1 Mac Mini. Basically ended up getting a brand new M1 Mini for $300, plus free Airpods. Lol.

Nice Luke! interesting &entertaining

@lukemiami You can't generalize, it could be that the MacBook Pro you bought was defective for some reason, I can't believe that what happened to you happens to all 2017 models, it's just bad luck, now, about the screen they lost the polarization If that's true, it's a pure shame.

Sounds like a bad connection somewhere? Maybe a bad solder joint on the board?

Same, I bought a 2017 macbook Pro when it was new for work and school, and within the first 3 years of ownership, I've been forced to send it back to Apple for repairs 4 times. the keys in the keyboard were sticking, they replaced the top case, leaving the Apple store I made the mistake of not checking to make sure it was working properly and got home only to realize the whole keyboard stopped working took it back few months later brought it back because the corners of my screen was turning brown they replaced it after some back and fourth fast forward this year my keyboard and touch pad just stopped working mind you I don't travel with this laptop I just use it at home I even went overkill and got a military grade case on it and even though I've never dropped it, it still gives me the most problems the battery won't last over night unless charged start up glitches like mad slow and overheating problems it can't even handle my digital audio workstation with out it reaching system overload I hate Apple.

Nothing like buying the new iPod Classic after WWDC. That will be exceptional.

Thanks for the insight.

i had a haunted macbook that was freezing only every friday at 2:00 AM for no reason, the barman who was working with me he admit that it was haunted!

Look at it this way, Luke: it gave you nearly fifteen minutes of great comedy material. You had me cracking up. If you ever become tired of being a Mac guru, you could do very well as a stand-up comedian.