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Sure the idea of an entire geth armada traveling to all worlds panic stricken that the end is nigh because of a misuse of dark energy or that the very use of dark energy causes the all future species in every galaxy the universe over shall be destroyed because of dark energy only for most species to hand wave it as baloney or be met with battle upon battle while thier message falls on deaf ears is interesting.
Before I start I want to thank you for having never responded to one of my posts. ANYWAY: I started my fifth play through of the Legendary series with the thought in mind I would pay more attention to everything. Well in the first meeting with Liara in the med bay after saving her on Therum : She tells me she would love to travel back in time 50,000 years to study the Protheans. Why can't she time travel and get her wish? The Reapers still exist in dark space. They'll be back. They may have been destroyed in the Milky Way, but if you pay attention to Sovereign and Harbinger, you will know that the Reapers sent to the Milky Way was only a small contingency from dark space. A mission into dark space could lead to breakthroughs in time travel.
The dark energy was killing the galaxy, that's why the Reapers harvest life... at least that was it was supposed to be for the original plot of ME3, but that writer wasn't part of ME3 for some reason.
@@SuperboyLilly he left back during me2 development because "the studio had become too corporate". This was like in the late 2000s. He also never intended for Cerberus to be anything more than just a forgettable me1 side quest. I really think the trilogy would have been like 10 times better if he stayed.
Really do like this. Just one small change. If you want to continue to ME4, you gotta get perfect endings to the Conrad Verner loyalty missions throughout the trilogy 😁
A very interesting storyline, when I went through the mission of Tali for the first time, I was intrigued by the info about dark matter and its influence. It will also be nice to see Tali again in the story👽💘🎻🤘🤔🎆
I like the idea of a Dark Energy plot, especially since it was left hanging in the Trilogy, but I don't think the Geth should be bad guys again. Maybe if it were a splinter faction like the ones who worshiped the Reapers, since if you made peace with the Geth they now have Reaper code in them, but not the whole Geth race.
I loved the idea of the Dark Energy plot being the whole reason why the reapers did what they did. Trying to get a biotic species that could stop Dark Energy from destabilizing things. That would matter for an immortal race of machines that can't use biotics.
The main problem with involving the universe is it would add an infinite amount of variables concerning other galaxies, making what happens in the Milky Way seem minute. However it's very likely the dark energy cloud (aka the Scourge) from Andromeda could tie into this theory as it's size could kill off many of those variables.
Had a dream where Mass Effect 4 was about hunting down surviving Reapers, Tali stole Shepard's N7 hoodie, and Grunt and Wrex were somehow able to stuff themselves into turian fighters. I think I got the plot figured out bois.
The return of the Dark Energy plot has been in my mind ever since they announced that they're working on a new Mass Effect. Honestly I think it's pretty plausible that they retcon it in.
I kept straying away from vanguard, but after a playthrough with it, biotic pinball is just so *efficient*. "Oh yes, powerful monster that killed 50 troops without breaking a sweat, let me just *sproing* at you for a bit while juggling distance to avoid instant melee kills."
Wasn't the Scourge in MEA also some kind of Dark Energy? Could that be the tie-in somehow of MEA and the OG trilogy, since we do see both galaxies in the trailer?
The Dark Energy plot was supposed to be the original problem the Reapers were trying to solve rather than the "organics vs AI" conflict. When stars die, they can become supernovas or black holes, bad news for nearby habitable planets and those living on them. Haestrom's star alone was a major hazard and all it had was increased solar output. Of course, what got my attention was the possibility of best girl (Tali) returning to the story.
As super interesting as this plot is, I'm not sure how it could be resolved. How can the galaxy defeat overuse of dark energy? Stop using biotics? Stop using mass relays and related tech? A soldier can't bunker down and defeat science. I feel like they definitely dropped this idea because it is hard to resolve.
Exactly. And becoming antagonists to organics wouldn’t do anything, especially if it means the Geth mobilise space faring fleets (which use dark energy in huge quantities to travel) in order to take the fight to organics. The Reapers used dark energy to accelerate the aging of stars and make them go super nova before. This is most likely what was going on. Indoctrinated organics and heretical Geth buying the galaxies supply of dark energy and dumping it into stars in key systems to erase them from history. As you say, there’s no true solution to stopping the effects dark energy has on the universe. Dark energy is responsible for the expansion rate of the universe. Even if using dark energy had cataclysmic consequences on the universe it would be on a time scale of billions of years. It wouldn’t make for an interesting story.
Also, it would then make the Reapers strategy seem stupid. Remember, they left their tech around just so EVERYTHING in the galaxy evolved in the same direction. They actively prevented any deviations of technology (in ME3 they treated a super collider as a serious threat). So they made sure that even species who had NEVER encountered element zero naturally (like humans and quarians) would instead find their ezo-using dark energy based tech and then develop around it. Smart if you're wanting to find new ways to use the tech but no civilization really *did* (a fact matriarch Athyeta was quite bitter about when she said that the asari should start building their own relays and they "laughed the blue off my ass"). Shep encounters this while talking to different aliens aboard the Citadel, and how everything never CHANGES. So the Reapers made damn sure that every civilization that achieved space flight would follow the dark energy path, thus aiding in the destruction of the universe 🤷♀️. Now, if the Reapers WANTED the destruction to fuel some OTHER goal (maybe they wanted to achieve a rebirth or a way to skip dimensions, idk) then ok fine.
It doesn't need to be resolved, the story could be like this: dark energy decay is going to kill the universe within a few billions of years, and a god like and immortal alien race is willing to do everything to prevent it, even eradicating other species, but it turns out that dark energy decay is a totally natural process, and the death of our universe will lead to the birth of multiple other universes, and tryng to unnaturally extend the life of the universe can only lead to catastrophic consequences.
The problem with this plot coming back is the same as when they came up with it and that is HOW THE FRIK do you believably solve a universal scale problem.
Yeah, it would be really hard to come up with a satisfying resolution, even if you limit it to the Milky Way only. It seems more like a technology problem and not a “persuade/shoot it to death” kind of problem.
well you don't have to solve the problem since is a universe thing, but to aknowledge it. The plot is to tie the new game to MEA and give closure to what happened to the Quarian Ark.
I hope you're right, that was a concept from the game I wish they explored further. Dark energy/matter could definitely be something that plays a big role in the future of the franchise for sure 🤔
I don't think having synthesis would mean that organics and synthetics can't fight each other. Or that any conflict period can't exist. I think it just means that if they were to have conflicts, it would have nothing to do with lack of understanding between two different forms of life and the fights would be for different reasons. At any rate, the dark energy thing makes the most sense as it's one of the very few plotlines left in the trilogy. That would be good for the Milky Way plot. But on the other side would be Andromeda: 4 main points from what I see - Benefactor, Jardaan/Angara, Kett Empire Threat, and Second Ark Wave. Converging plot by successfully developing the technology to build an intergalactic mass relay - combining the technology of what the geth developed with what was found in Andromeda Wishful thinking. It is likely we will get just a Milky Way game for now.
I always thought the biggest plot point that they skipped right TF over as a throw away line was that the geth managed to REVERSE ENGINEER not one, not two but THREE MASS RELAYS like it was NOTHING. Those relays are locked down at a quantum level, something made VERY clear during ME2: Arrival. And not only did they reverse engineer them but they MOVED THEM and were able to turn them into the most awesome telescope in the history of the universe. All before the events of ME3.
Considering that Andromeda salvaged some Dark Energy plot by implementing the "Scourge", I believe it will have to make a comeback in the next Mass Effect at some point, since even the dark energy Scourge plot in Andromeda still had plotholes
The dark energy problem also comes from space travel, not just biotics. This is a similiar concept that Star Trek gets into. Eventually they discover their space travel has been warping the fabric of space. Also, the “Mass Effect” is specifically in reference to the effect the Mass Relays have on galactic society. Not the mass of things being reduced. Besides Mass Relays don’t reduce your mass. E = MC2 (the faster you move, the heavier you get, the energy of motion turns into “M” or mass). So the “Mass Effect theory” in ME4 would most likely be about how galactic society changes when the Mass Effect Relays are removed from the equation. Tbh I dug into the Dark Energy theory quite a bit and after all is said and done it appeared that the Reapers were using Dark Energy to destroy/erase key systems, such as Quarian worlds. The Reapers had destroyed systems this way before. And Quarians got the scorched Earth approach because their worlds contained the origins of this cycles AI. IRL dark energy is responsible for the constant expansion rate of the universe. It’ll take tens or hundreds of billions of years for the current rate of expansion to cause “heat death”. I very much doubt biotics would be the leading cause of the level of acceleration you’re talking about. Which means it’s very likely to be mostly caused by space travel, which the Geth would also partake in. Besides... the Geth are going to need to be rebuilt after the Destroy ending, they’re not going to be cruising around the galaxy with fleets exterminating organics on a mass scale. So while the theory has internal consistency I very much doubt this is leading to anything.
That reminds me of an episode of star trek, where a star system was totaly messed up, because of the excessive use of warp travels in it. There was no solution in that case, if i recall it correcly. 🤔
I think one major flaw of the dark energy plot is that this aging of a star is happening in a system that isn't inhabited by organics and hasn't been for centuries. If biotics were the cause, wouldn't asari worlds be most affected as they are most proficient in biotics?
Hi MrHulthen, I discovered your channel recently and have been watching non-stop. Thanks for the regular uploads to keep the community engaged! If you see this comment I have a small request for you. I saw in one of your videos that you said Bioware should keep the combat system from MEA. I mostly agree. However, for many of the fanbase, including myself, we don't want only 3 active skill per profile. I along with many players complained about this on various forums back when MEA was out. Given that you are the most influential youtuber on everything ME I wonder how you think about this change. Maybe you can make a video about your take on this or just mention the fact that many fans dislike the limitation despite enjoying the evolved combat system in MEA. Maybe Bioware will watch and listen to you! Keep it up man! I believe in you!
Problem is this discourages using biotics since it's bad for the universe. Also, you can't just not use mass effect technology. Plus, it was the reapers who made the mass relays in the first place. The solution is to revert to non-MS tech, with defeats the purpose of the whole franchise.
I feel like the Reapers created mass relays as a way to help organic life advance and of course bionics came into play but the use of bionics and them affecting the galaxy/universe on such a scale I'm sure had to have been an unforeseen issue until very late even for the Reapers, the question should be that if the Reapers finally found out that dark energy started becoming a problem and that the use of bionics could be the reason for this then why didn't they just destroy the mass relays? Cause in doing so I feel like the discovery of other solar systems and eventually bionics would end up not coming into play and the universe and all life would be safe, Reapers included or atleast those things wouldn't come into play for a very long time but otherwise like you said, it would defeat the whole purpose of the franchise as that would render space travel to no longer be a thing and with this all races would never meet and Shepard wouldn't be the badass he is and so on and so forth. So I guess the reason why the Reapers never destroyed the mass relays is because the writers simply don't want them to, like some thingsor logic to some extent just has to be if ored in order for a story to be a story and progress into something we all love, just like anime which breaks all logic, superhero movies and comics, twilight type stories and so on.
Cool video, I thinks it's fairly plausible they go this route. I do agree with what you ponted out though, having the Geth as the clear cut antagonists would be too much of a retread in my opinion. They would have to find a way to make the Geth more of a neutral force. Maybe set it up so the Geth could actually be leading the research into the Dark Energy problem, but something or someone sabotages them. I don't really know, but I feel like going straight back to organics vs synthetics would feel a little cheap.
If the Geth are made out to be bad guys that makes Legion's sacrifice pointless. It would also negate Tali reporting about how Geth were making it possible for her people to rapidly adjust to life on their home world. Basically knocking Quarians to be space nomads or worse being wiped out completely. I honestly hope that isn't the case. Also I would like to see what their world looks like with them working together.
I was never too keen on the Dark Energy plot. Like this is a universal threat if it is the plot. And if it was something the Reapers were trying to stop, it makes no sense that they would focus on 1 galaxy when there are trillions that all have the potential to have organics that can use biotics.
For all we know they DIDNT just focus on one galaxy. All we know for sure is that they were in the Milky Way, and that in our limited time in Andromeda we didn't find any direct evidence of Reaper tech.
it is really interesting how they designed the crater on the poster to look like a Geths head, will be interesting to see how they will continue the story
The Dark Energy nugget would be a cool kernel of a plot for the next game, but since it was never further developed, they could go anywhere with it. The original outline for its resolution was pretty goofy, anyway (a lot more than organics v synthetics). Regarding Synthesis, it doesn't remove conflict at all. It just got rid of the and inevitable conflict between organic creators and synthetic created. Still plenty left to have a row over!
I don't think people have actually think what is the end point of the dark energy plot and why they didn't continue it. The end is literally save all of reality from the heat death of the universe or don't. How is that a choice really? The dark energy plot is more suited for a more artsy story about continuation of reality than what Mass Effect has become. They didn't use that plot not because it wasn't good but it wasn't good for what Mass Effect was. Imagine instead of the ending we got we get the dark energy plot. People would not have liked that any better cause it still didn't take into account player choice. I think people really don't actually know what this plot means.
since in mass effect 3 you can have quarians-geth peace, I feel this should be canon and the two species have been working together to monitor the state of dark energy after rebuilding giving the time gap a reasonable length and after seeing they cant handle the problems alone they ask the council for aid for which they send Liara to find remains of Shepard to bring him back to save the galaxy again. they could add both destroy endings and have the player choose which one like Shepard's background giving it the paragon/renegade feel. the dark energy could create a massive fore creating a wormhole giving us a new enemy making the game feel unique and new with a different enemy to face cause I am personally done fighting against the Geth and want to fight alongside them for a change.
This is the first theory that I've actually been interested as a future plot...my first playthrough, I was really disappointed that the dark energy thing never got resolved as it felt really purposeful during Tali's mission.
Between this and the Scourge in Mass Effect Andromeda it makes sense. The Scourge was essentially a dark energy weapon used against the Jardaan in some unknown conflict with its use having devastating long term effects in the Heleus cluster. Destroying planets, moving planets out of orbit from their star and just continually spreading like a cancer to the point that the only thing keeping it in check was the black hole at the center of Heleus. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a connection to the Dark Energy problem in the Milky Way, like what’s happening is a raw natural phenomenon that is somewhat mild while the scourge is a artificial created, more lethal version of the phenomenon.
hmm, one way i could see it all tie together is 1, since shepard went into the geth concensus, they have a copy of him & his memories up until that exact point, so, they could make a clone, and then implant the memories of that shepard into it, effectively making all 3 endings possible, even if we are talking about a several hundred years timejump, 2. if a timejump has occured, then the geth could've used the ftl telescope and seen the scourge, which iirc was sentient dark energy, and realizing the threat it poses, that would make it so andromeda is loosely tied to the game too, and 3. that would explain why liara is out looking for pices of things tied to shepard, so maybe she can get the dna needed to make the clone, so the first mission or 2, could see us play as liara, then we get a cutscene where we see shepard being made, during which we would be able to make our shepard how we like, just like ME2, yeah, that could work
Id love something along the lines of Leviathan using dark energy to manipulate systems suns and also mind control. Who knows what the leviathan could have done before it hid from the reapers.
"Charge" (I see you, I caught that little clip real quick) The only logical response to the Volus tripping on the droogs that I find acceptable. His cute little biotic paper airplane is the epitome of biotic greatness. ☣️👾
That ship looks like a shuttle that could also carry a vehicle but is too small to travel solo long-range due to the space needed for life-support, supplies, quarters, lavatories, medical bay, weapons, and ship-running systems. I feel like they took the idea of the Tempest (ships deploys vehicle upon landing) and applied it to a shuttle which can deploy from a larger vessel while in atmosphere or orbit. Honestly, I love the idea, as the shuttle can act as base camp for vehicle exploration, fly-over to relay surveillance from above or patch-in comms between the ground and the larger ship. If I'm correct, this opens the door to far more diverse planetary exploration and mission direction.
please make that video about why synthesis could be included as an ending. I would love to hear whats your theory about it. Great video as usual. Cheers
Yeah I've been replaying ME2 lately and the mentions of Dark Energy sounds like Bioware had big plans for it in the plot. Haven't thought about the possibility of the phenomena being revisited in ME4 until this video lol.
i like to think that 'the cycle' still contunues (even with reapers out of the equation) and artificial intelligence always has and always will inevitably advance and evolve into a reaper-like beings. it would work nicely with the dark energy plotline and geth wanting to control biotic potential in the galaxy :)
Also with the synthesis ending and universal understanding, this would mean that the Reapers would share their knowledge with their entire galaxy that the use of biotics/dark energy/element zero is actually slowly dooming the galaxy/universe and what would follow this is that everyone would likely agree to stop using these sources of energy and if that happens it would cause serious problems for every single being in the Galaxy
I would prefer the Reapers being a sort of brick wall that harvests civilization and thats allows the galaxy to heal from the Mass Effect cause by space travel. Now that they are gone unrestricted use allows for tears to happen in the fabric of space. The new trilogy should start with wars caused by the lack of resources caused by the war. All species turn on the Salrians for not helping. Next games is the arrival of the Unbidden through tears in the fabric of space, what the reapers sought to prevent.
my theory: synthesis occured but because shepard knew how ass the catalyst was, it was botched resulting in a majority of reapers just fleeing into dark space. a major contengent fled to geth space because of long held predjudice but a minor number actually helped the races recover, though mostly be helping stop husks and releasing people from indoctrination. the reapers are mostly unsatisfied and choose to wait it out, which is their fallback plan because they are not optimistic about synthesis. this leaves the vast expanse of the milky-way in a devastated state. Earth, palavin, thessia, and Sur'Kesh are badly damaged but manage to hold onto and reestablish the counsel, though it functions more as a diplomatic platform than anything else. the quarians are busy trying to repopulate on their home world. they have been given tentative aid by the geth either as apart of an agreement by Shepard or something formed post war. oddly though the quarian ark actually plays an important role in quarian-geth politics because they received a message from them describing their journey to the andromeda, whatever they were told, it wasn't good. some quarains want to return to the forever fleet and recover their lost but some are happy they have returned. the batarians are strait up war lords with a husk army. it has become rare to see a ture batarian rather than a slave-hust batarian. they are struggling with the concept of living and dead and what the systhesis process means for them. as the eyes haven't been removed or partially so, it is possible they view the husks as unholy insults, but are forced to treat with some dignity as they are still theologically and legally a batarian. the hanar, krell, volus, elcor, and other minor citidel races are in various states. the krogan are doing pretty well and have established a "krogan militarized zone" they export mercenaries but also import a lot of mercinaries as they are in a state of flux politically, they perfer to hire humans and turians when they can as they use them to train young krogan, who are then sent out as mercenaries and in "patrol fleets" to scar off minor warlords in the KMZ. these krogan are still violent but much more politically savvy, krogan is no longer associated with total devastation but just hard and hearty. many non-citadel races had great oppurtunity to take advantage of the devastation to rise to prominence often forming warring kingdoms and DMZs. while none can directly challange the citadel galactic alliance, the CGA is having difficulty recovering lost colonies and territory. humanity is the most powerful player because most of their surround space was empty to begin with and so while there were some civil revolts from now human dominated but mixed race planets, the New Earth alliance is firmly in control of territories held before the reaper invasion, however the primary issue has become integration and peace-keeping as the primary demographics have changed due to accepting refugees and non-human colonist. even earth now has a significant, but still small, population of asari, turians, and salarians living on it and are citizens of the earth nations rather than their traditional species nations.
Dark energy plot is certainly an interesting theory, and I do not know how Drew Karpyshyn would justify it... But it has large white spots in logic. And the first is "The end of the universe?". It seems that someone does not imagine the scale of the universe. In the Milky Way galaxy, there are several races using "biotics", several relay, and several thousand (well, say even tens of thousands) ships on element zero. At the same time, the game itself says that research is only 1% of the entire galaxy. Consequently, there are still 99 percent of the galaxy, and we cannot say that they use biotics or the zero element (we don't even know if there is intelligent life there). According to scientists, there are special conditions under which intelligent life can form, and even more conditions for it to be able to go into space. But let's not go too deep into the topic of the existence of life in the galaxy. In addition, the Milky Way galaxy occupies SUCH a small volume of the universe that it is not one percent, but let's say 1 atom compared to the size of the Earth. And we need to believe that 1% of this 1 atom will destroy the whole Earth (well, in our analogy)? Even in the size of the galaxy, this is unconvincing, but it can still be understood that intelligent races will destroy systems suitable for the formation of intelligent life, and the reapers want to save intelligent life, etc. The plot of "The Day the Earth Stood Still", only on a larger scale. But when applied to the universe, it's even ridiculous. The reapers then need to harvest in each of the billions of galaxies . P.S. If anything, I apologize for the mistakes in the text, English is not my native language.
Maybe AI always realizes organics will destroy the universe and choosing hostility. Kinda plugs into the reaper plot. Same conflict new context, it would still require a massive retcon though.
The Geth were great foes to go up against. I also liked having Legion as a trusted teammate and that the synthetics could be at peace with organics. Now, what if there's a reason for the Geth and their fellow synthetics to fear the unchecked expansion of biotics throughout the galaxy? What if this game goes from a fear of unchecked synthetic progress to a fear of unchecked biotic progress? We could see how much more powerful and dangerous biotic types could become, which would certainly involve other trusted teammies like Liara.
I think they discarded this storyline for a good reason. It would be really hard to come up with a satisfying resolution to it, even if you limit the Dark Energy issue to the Milky Way only. The universe is huge, you would have to go through some serious mental hoopes to believably explain why only the actions of one guy in the Milky Way can solve it and how can they solve it for the whole universe… Besides, the resolution seems more like a technology problem and not a “persuade/shoot it to death” kind of problem. It also doesn’t jive with the “the ending is all the consequences of your actions” approach. People complain about ME3’s ending because they do not see the consequences of their actions realized. Hinging the solution to the dark energy problem on Shepard accidentally making all the right decisions is also unbelievable. Whatever the story ends up being, I don’t think it should be of cosmic importance. You cannot top the Reapers and nor you should try. A good story is driven by the characters not by how much you inflate the stakes. A small, well written personal drama can have higher stales in a sense than the universe ending.
I just did a complete play through of the Legendary Edition of the games. With the story line fresh in my mind I think everyone is missing the gorilla in the room. The Leviathan race. They are still out there. Yes the inventors of the Catalyst that started this whole mess eons ago. In fact what you have is organic reapers with mind control powers and who knows what knowledge and control over dark energy.
Bro let’s be honest. The real plot twist of Mass Effect 4 is going to reveal how Conrad Verner is the grand master of all reapers and how he will destroy all organic life forms once & for all.
Dark Energy is also a big part of ... dark energy that stops our ships, etc. It is possible that travelling to Andromeda was an option used before to Escape the reapers, and the Remnant and their dark energy based terraforming technology is present for various reasons. Why? Mass Effect said there are FTL drives, FTL com, but no FTL sensors, and there are reasons behind that. So the Geth observatory mentioned in Andromeda might have been a communication system that was able to connect to sensors in Andromeda galaxy. Maybe Geth also learned about remnant technology, and knew how it can be used to fortify their areas (but also inhospitable for organics)... This is why we had some of the events about dark energy problems in geth space. The problems weren't visible in area where we have seen biotics. Also, biotic amps are technology, and other tech use the same kind of mass effect fields. So so far biotic wasn't than unique either. Dark energy, destabilized environment is also tied to Remnant, and Remnant isn't organic.
This storyline was very promising and added a lot more to the Reapers than the simple organic vs synthetic feud the story turned out to be, but I suppose they abandoned the dark energy plot because they couldn't solve the paradox it created. SInce the Reaper created the relays et made sure that every species would evolve in a very specific way, using Eezo and mass effect technology, why do that at all if their plan was to prevent the usage of dark energy in the end ?🤔 Hopefully, they find a convincing answer to that if they want to go that way in the future. 😅
This might be a bit of a stretch but here I go. Since dark energy causes stars get older quicker, we can assume that other object would be affected. Or perhaps even organics exposed to dark energy long enough. And which organics would fit that condition? The Asari. This might be the reason why Liara seems older than before. Perhaps the genetic bond between the Asari and dark energy took its toll. The only issue is, why would that be happening just now, and never before. Maybe the Reapers somehow insured the organics would not be affected for their 'protection of life'. Just a fun idea
That's why I have a feeling that they might be going with the control ending instead of the destroy ending. Yes in the trailer it shows them going to a broken reaper or whatever but that could just be a remnant left over from the war. It seems weird to build up the reapers and Geth , AI etc just to kill it all off at the end. Even w/o Shepard they would have know that they would dip back into the IP again at some point and control would possibly give them an option to bring back Mark or Jennifer as a cameo Reaper voice or something. Also even starchild says that control is a viable solution but wouldnt work because ol blue eyes was already being controlled, But the way it was framed when starchild said it made it seem like it was the right choice for my character.
I tend to always pick Control ending myself. So I would personally love Control to be canon. And it would explain how the Geth survived. However, from what I hear, most others prefer Destroy or even Synthesis. So picking Control would alienated most of the fans!
Maybe the Andromeda angle ties in with the circumstances by which the Jardaan disappear and the Scourge appears. Characters in ME:A talk about the Scourge being a weapon, purposefully deployed against the Jardaan. The tie-in between the OT and ME:A could be that the same entity is at work with dark energy in both the Milky Way AND Andromeda. And if we make Liara 600 years older, it could tie-in with the current state of the Andromeda Initiative. Although, not sure how that affects Garrus.
Favouring Synthesis as I did in 3/6 of my playthrus, I'd find it utterly obnoxious if they started ME4 accommodating only Control or Destroy. Especially since Synthesis + Andromeda, on a long enough timeline, could handily reconcile those other two endings. Ryder and SAM are basically pursuing Synthesis by another means, presenting an opportunity to prove the concept of integrating organics and synthetics; if the Andromedan colonists widely adopted the idea and eventually returned to the Milky Way that could propagate so that regardless of Control or Destroy choices, MW civilization could have bounced back to incorporate a whole created race of SAMs. Canonizing just the ending that exterminated the geth is the *most* constrained option, when the least constrained one is completely doable. And a 'synthesized' galaxy would grant the widest range of character mechanics, make the geth still being around work, and everyone could be working together to solve the dark energy dilemma if they made that the central conflict.
My personal wish would be some form of indoctrination ending to trilogy which would mean they could write off the ending of mass effect 3 as a indoctrination hallucination or reaper test. And would leave everything as an option really. It would open up many story options. The only reason they did ME3 ending the way they did was because they were ending mass effect trilogy and didn't want it to continue anymore.
That and the ending was rushed because EA wanted Multiplayer in Mass Effect 3. Among other things they wanted Bioware to do (including poaching developers to put on their Ultimate Team modes. How in the hell is a story lead gonna improve a digital loot box card-based Multiplayer only game? Got me on that).
Honestly I always preferred this plot over the one they picked. So I wouldn't mind if they retconed a bit the ending of ME3 by saying that reapers had also another purpose, that they were preventing sentient beings from evolving too much to slow down the use of mass effect fields. Cause that will eventually destroy the whole universe. They could say that reapers placed "environment friendly" relays to monitor us and exterminate us like pests when they detected that we started using ezo technology. Maybe now that we rebuild those relays after the ending of ME3 (using our own technology), they are now way less "environment friendly" ? Could be a huge metaphor for how we are polluting our own planet. In other words - it would be like if a bunch of aliens dropped on us solar powered cars to prevent use from inventing something way more harmful, to stop us from using fossil fuels.
What if the very source of conflict was the organics use of dark matter? They sort of implied organic vs synthetic was "natural" but never actually said why it happens. So if this is the case, I can see us fighting a LOT of Geth in the new game
Mass Effect was MY true first video game that I got into byself when I 17. Not by older brothers (not that I'm complaining, I got to play a the good games thanks to him growing up.) But this time he was in college and I had my one Xbox 360, I had just boughten Mass effect and gotten the sick with something, and I was out of school for like a week and a half and heavily medicated. This was 07' so I didn't really much about the game it just looked cool. I just fell in love with the music (like we all did) and the whole atmosphere of the game (like we all did) . Like I WAS Commander Shepard lol. I played that game properly 5 times every or more every year, then same with the sequel (obviously playing 1 and 2 yearly) then the trilogy. Then every 2 or three years I would play the trilogy until I would were it out then put it away until it was time to dust it off again. I, about a month ago bought the Legendary Edition, and serious every time I Start these games over its like going back in time and hearing the music and seeing and old friend again. But it is bitter sweet now, and I wonder if anyone can relate. I am on my 5th play through on the last run of the 3rd game and I know after I beat it this time, I'm going to most likely not play it for a few years. And for the life of me, that makes me as sad as any real life event. Idk if it's time passing, or a time we can't go back to, but in some Little ways we can. But bittersweet it's all I can say. I know it's just a video game ,but I think, as fans, we can all agree that it's not. Which is why we all get excited to see new things coming to light, hold on out for hope that the magic will be there again.
It's a great premise, completing or exploring the idea in game could be a particularly good interweaving of stories. On another note, how can I find out there Sheppard and the crew went when playing Joker? That's been bugging me for yrs and I'm yet to see an explanation. Thanks
Shepard wakes up once more, as a bowl of petunia. "Not again!" So, the "good solution" (aka synthesis) is the least likely choice toward ME4 because it's the only one that actually solves the problem. All the rest just delay the issue and throw it over the fence to the grandchildren. One suggestion: A ME4 import should depend heavily on your Khalisa al-Jilani, The Biotic God choices, and whether you know what happened to Joker's sister.
Liara was a young Asari, therfore, ME4 could take place hundreds of years after ME3. Also, if the reapers and the geth play a part in ME4, this would mean that the destroy option may not be Canon. Rather the control or synthesis options are on the table. Liara finding the N7 fragment really indicates to me we could be looking at a control option future.
You forget about the destroyed Relay in the teaser trailer. (Or as MrHulthen thinks it is the ruined Citadel). 1. In Control, Reapers repair all Relays. The teaser trailer shows a destroyed and unrepaired Relay; 2. If we accept as truth MrHulthen's theory that this is a destroyed Citadel, then it's even easier. In Control, the Citadel is not destroyed.
Mr Hulthen, Looking at the poster, Does the "Eye" of the Geth look like either a Mass Effect field, a Biotic charge, or another Galaxy to you? Just curious on your thoughts.
The reapers would still just be delaying the inevitable when it comes to dark energy, it’s an essential part of the universe and it can’t just be taken away. Stopping the races of the universe from using element zero will help a little I’m sure but in the grand scheme of things. Even in real life dark energy is going to cause the heat death of the universe. If anything I’d rather get it over with sooner than later.
I LOVE the idea of the dark energy plot making a return. Personally I would prefer not to have the Geth as an enemy since we have already spent the first trilogy with that. What about the second of Cerberus’ three heads developing a dark energy bomb? Or a new race that has harnessed dark energy and Haestrom was just a test fire? I liked legion as a squad mate so much I would hate to have the Geth as an enemy.
Interesting theory and could make a game only problem is that it has very serious potholes/problems that the writers/devs could struggle fixing or solving
Honestly, I feel like Mass Effect 2 story was gonna be initially gonna be about dark energy, but decided that Collector was a bigger deal OR both could've been a big plot if they could incorporate dark energy
I was mad that we never got a conclusion to that storyline in mass effect 3 but if it is the main storyline in mass effect 4/5 than I am more excited and worried
Dude it would be heartbreaking for Shepard to come back and there be no Garrus, no Tali, no Wrex, no Miranda, no Grunt. I do want him to come back, but if they bring Shepard back I’d hope they’d bring everyone else back too or itd just be really depressing
Honestly I just want to see a Godzilla vs King Kong but with Harbinger and Leviathan. Maybe they will even team up like the movie and fight the most powerful Reaper: Squidward.
Yeah I totally think there is where they should go with it. My approach to this is I think the canon decision for the end of ME3 should be Control. So it's the Shepard AI that is the main string puller and enabler of the plotline, and maybe it's the activation of the Crucible is what sped up the Dark Energy decay, which if left unchecked would cause a localized False Vacuum collapse to the Milky Way. The Shepard AI is the only thing that's powerful enough and smart to crunch the numbers and make sense of the threat and do something about it especially with all those Reapers under his or her control. I also want to have my cake and eat it too is have the other endings exist as well, as part of the solution via simulations and then bought into existence via Dark Energy and Mass Effect, so it's a combination of Laplace's demon simulation via a grand version of the Lazarus Project, done from different initial condition being the other decisions that Shepard could've made at the end of ME3 but we don't learn this until the end of the game, because the story is told as if each "timeline" is real due to the decision of the player, with the one constant is that Liara T'soni exists in all three scenarios, so she and her counterpart would be the key to all this and you have to protect at all costs. So we get to get to play with different species from the different "timelines",of your choosing from maybe a history test or something and then the big event as impetus to kick off the story would be seeing trillions of people, ships and structures appear from thin air and the chaos that would cause but it's really the first part of Shepard AI's plan underway. I don't want any big villains for this one, just the galaxy(s) working together to effectively solve what is basically a massive environmental problem. A new big bad should come later and I have a couple great ideas for that would be the fall out from this game.
Plot hole: Mass Relays rely on Dark Energy. So inorganics actually do use Dark Energy. Also plot hole: Reapers built and maintain the Mass Relays. So they actually were the source of any Dark Energy problem that would be worrying them. That all aside, I never liked the Dark Energy plot because it's just sounded like a blatant Climate Change message, and, honestly, super boring.
While the Dark Energy plot did seem more interesting for me on the surface, I remember reading that even the original writer himself said that he didn't think the Dark Energy plot would have fared better than what we got as it also had its share of problems.
@@lxginventorymanagement1859 Entropy is about known matter. Dark energy is a made up energy that patches broken cosmological theories. And if dark energy did actually exist, couldn't it also be a counter to entropy, explaining where all useful energy came from and why we exist in the face of entropy? Like if entropy has always been a thing, how did everything come to be and life emerge?
@@KittyBoom360 you gotta read more into entropy because it answers your questions pretty easily tbh. its very hard to explain particularly over youtube comments but dark matter and entropy are definitely related (if either are real, which is debatable). If you do some digging and don't find understandable answers I'll do my best to elaborate
Would be good if the Dark Energy plot was brough back in for the next ME game and any hints/plots between and the scruge in andromeda filled in a bit and if the 2 were somewhat linked to one another.
This would be an awesome plot. I believed there would be more in 3 because it seemed important on Haelstrom in Tali’s mission. They really talked it up. But nope. It makes sense to talk it up to carry it on in a later game. This would be a fantastic plot!
As excited as I am for the next Mass Effect (and I am!), your videos always just add fuel to that fire. I've played through the entire trilogy dozens of times and still love talking about it and seeing videos such as yours. Thanks for the content and theories.
This does make total sense for the next storyline, but it have shepherd in it just because he brokered peace with the Geth seems like a weak reason to bring he/she back as a playable character. Plus is it possible that when shepherd linked with the Geth they mapped his brain and have an artificial construct of him in their database. As much as we all want Shepherd to return, I don’t think it’s going to be as squad leader. Also don’t forget everyone’s favorite fan boy Conrad Verner was at one point researching dark energy which could coincide with dark matter.
I wouldn’t mind a origins type story based during the prothean era 50,000 years before the the trilogy there are many story’s they could tell during that time.
I would love to see BioWare explore the dark energy stuff more in future games. I always kind of saw it as a missed opportunity. So much you can do in the Mass Effect Universe. So much potential.
I would also like to see more using the backstory and some new events for the planet Rothla that was destroyed during the Krogan rebellions. What was created, how the planet was ultimately destroyed and perhaps experiments that were started again at a later date - now threatening the galaxy. With the mystery, the destruction of an entire planet, the extreme gravitational lensing see; I feel would tie in to almost any new storyline.
What if the Dark Energy plot ends up leading to something the ancient civilisation from Mass Effect Andromeda created in some sort of technological invention used for terraforming, and that went wrong/degraded over time, which has also then led to the dark energy emerging within the Milky Way. A plot twist, and why the VI in andromeda being able to connect seemingly easily with that technology, is that in fact the "ancient civilisation" that built all those structures was in fact races of the Milky Way, which all came from 400 or so years of technological advancement after the Reapers, and this "dark energy" enabled almost instantaneous travel to other Galaxies, but given the Andromeda Arks were already underway to Andromeda, they couldn't be contacted/pulled back during all this advancement, and so they discovered the remnants of Humanity (or whomever it was from the Milky Way) built all of those terraforming structures and whatnot. Just a sort of way to connect both games, sorry if that is a little disjointed. Just sort of typed as it came into my head haha
