@@Babylion2311yeah I believe the same thing, but going around doing it like that isn’t helping anything, you just look crazy and forceful. Let people make their own decisions as God literally tells us to do in the Bible.
... from a hitters perspective, a record that will never be broken; Fernando Tatis Sr/ two grand slams in the same inning off the same pitcher 🎉 GO Cardinals 🍻
And have no hitters going after 7 innings and get pulled because 100 pitches. Listen I do understand wanting to protect your players and is 1 game worth a career? A no hitter blew Johan Santana's career but the guy had a great career prior to that. You could blow your arm out next start, I agree with some analytics, some are good, but I miss the "managers gut instinct", trusting pitcher. That's why I loved guys like Cliff Lee, Halladay, Max Scherizer, you had to fight them to pull them out. I grew up in 80s and 90s so yes Ryan, Carlton, Valenzuela, Seaver, Niekros, Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, Randy Johnson, CC, Schilling. So complete games were normal, so were 3 to 4 inning saves. Some changes I like, some wish was bit more old school
@johnhickman106 I agree the contracts are getting ridiculous but hey if someone is offering you a 10 yr-100 million dollar contract and 75 of it is guaranteed, you can't blame them. Because you know teams will drop them should they get hurt. Pity the players from 50's thru late 80's don't get a bigger piece of the benefits, they played on concrete surfaces, concussions were not considered bad, in fact if you stayed in, you were tough. Those guys helped make the NFL what it is today
*NOTE - When CY YOUNG pitched relief pitchers did not exist. There were no SISSY Pitch Counts and ALL STARTING PITCHERS went past 5 & 2/3 Innings, Games started at 10 AM and Cy Young was allowed to "doctor the ball." Thugs threatened to and were known to beat-up managers after a game if they unnecessarily took out the Starting Pitcher. 😆 🤣 😂
He also pitched when the game just started.. baseball wasn’t the same.. that dude pitched like 80games a year.. sometimes would pitch 2 days in a row for months.. a different time.. but a record is a record lol
Ichiro has more hits. And don't tell me the Japanese hits don't count. Because he still got those hits during his career. That clearly demonstrates it was already schieved.
@@davidthegoat6948 you obviously can't read or form ideas in your brain. I will try again. THE RECORD CAN BE BROKEN. Why? Well. For example Ichiro got more hits. Whether you recognize it as a record is irrelevant. HE GOT THOSE HITS DURING HIS CAREER DEMONSTRATING THAT THE RECORD IS CLEARLY BREAKABLE
It's not even the same game in a lot of ways. Rule changes, medical knowledge, and improved technique make old ways of approaching the game incompatible. I don't think Cy Young would have pitched that many complete games if he was throwing in the 90s to hitters that could handle it.
I agree - a much different era in baseball...was he throwing 96mph+ for complete games..? Was he facing the same level of competition..? The inquiries could go on almost endlessly, but you can't knock the records: he was still certainly the very best of his generation
@@kevinanderson1642what’s your point? Knuckleball is like 50mph pitch. Rep bud is even slower. People still throw those pitches today, albeit rare, but speed isn’t everything. Matter of fact, it doesn’t mean a whole lot. Look at Aroldis Chapman. Dude throws 102 STILL and people been hitting off him like it’s T Ball. Tim Anderson said it best, everyone does it now, it’s not impressive anymore. 100mph+ literally isn’t the challenge it used to be. Baseball needs to go back to contact hitting and control pitching.
@cptsparklfingerz9210 my point is that's the reason it'll never be broken. The days of pitch counts and velocity are here, and that's what makes this record unbreakable.
Johnny Vander Meer. Two straight no hitters. THAT will never be broken. A pitcher has to throw three straight no hitters for that record to be broken. That won’t even be *tied* in this lifetime.
Ewell Blackwell nearly had it until a hit in the 9th inning of the 2nd game. Ehmke had an infielder bobble the ball and the Yankees score keeper refused to call it an error despite Yankees fans pleading for him to. Ehmke would have had the 1st double no-hitter if it was properly ruled, but in today's game it is begining to look like it may be unbreakable.
Nobody will pitch TWO World Series perfect games, let alone one. Another record that will never be broken is the nearly 50 years (7920 games) the Chicago Cubs went without being no hit. Out of all the teams in either league since the formation of the American League in 1901, the Cubs hold the record for fewest no hitters given up (7).
@@michaelmiller4105I was gonna say. If Johnson wasn’t a late bloomer he might have reached or broken it. I remember thinking he only played as late as he did in order to get 300 wins (something that might never happen again) because aside from the all time strikeout record which was out of reach, it was the only major pitching accomplishment he had left to earn. (Although he did pass up Clemens for 2nd place by hanging on so long too.)
Cy young 511 wins Nolan Ryan 5,000 + strike outs Nolan Ryan 7 no hit games vademerr back to back no hit games oreal hershires 58 1/3 scoreless innings these pitching records that i fill is safe forever and it's not a record but i don't think nobody will ever win 30+ wins again basically because of the way the game is played denny McLain 31 wins 1968🧐
Joe D’S 56 game hitting streak will never be broken, ripkins consecutive games will never be broken, Henderson stolen bases will never be broken, and probably MO’s saves will never be broken
I'm not arguing, but you don't think some of these young cats have a shot at Rickie? I really haven't done the math yet, but it seems like with the role changes and everything, that could be up for grabs sooner than you know it.
No. Not at all. They will always make the business decision to steal less as they age, getting hurt on a steal is unnecessary risk for big contract. Plus, you must be a great batter to reach base enough for 20 years, and keep speed, and keep stealing as part of your game. Unlikely
I think Elly could get 100 steals a season as long as his bat stays consistent. Rickey wasn’t only fast, he was an also a good bunted, hitter and he drew a lot of walks.
You look at Don Sutton and he wasnt dominating but man the guy was so freaking consistant 30-40 starts a year for like 20 years, 10 complete games a year, over 230 innings per year 150-200 strikeouts per year. This guy was a horse, 324 wins with only 1 "20 win season", shows consistancy, deserved HOF
Old hoss single season win record of 68 wins will never be broken. A pitcher would have to start in at least 68 games in a season, which these days is impossible. He also threw 678 innings that year. A record that still stands for over 100 years
Back in the day, pitchers also didn't throw as hard, making them less prone to injury. It also meant that they needed less recovery time, and would also be able to pitch more balls in a day than current pitchers are able to. Also, safety was also less of a thing back then. Teams now days aren't going to let a pitcher pitch a couple hundred balls in a game as it would hurt their longevity and effectiveness. Back in the day, the pitchers were probably told that they needed to man up if they didn't want to pitch a couple hundred balls.
Walter Johnson pitching 110 career complete game shutouts Christy Mathewson throwing 3 complete game shutouts in a single World Series. Breaking it would require what could only be described as an act of God. Ed Reulbach throwing 2 shutouts in a single day. The only way this could be broken is if 2 teams played a triple header, which hasn’t been done in over a century. Jack Chesbro winning 41 games in a season. Now we make a big deal if a pitcher wins 20, which isn’t half that. Rogers Hornsby batting .424 in a single season. Not a record of achievement, but Joe Nuxhall being the youngest player at 15. To break this the plot of Rookie of the Year would have to happen in real life.
It could happen if teams didn’t have releif pitchers - could be an interesting way to get the game interesting again. MLB continues to lose viewers, listeners and attendance.
Yeah he did it back during a time when he was pitching against construction workers and coal miners 😂 they’d drink whiskey, smoke cigars and eat hotdogs in the dugout.
Dead ball era. False comparisons. It’s like comparing kindergarten to 4th grade. These types only serve to make it look like the guy who posted it knows baseball. Far from the truth. Cy is rolling in his grave. 😪
Meh. Too much of a different era. He was throwing 70mph against players who just finished a 10 hour shift in the coal mines. It shouldnt be considered pro sports if everyone was working another full time job at the same time.
The game was completely different back then. They didn't try to throw no where near as hard and had minimal pitch variety as pitchers do now. That's why good hitters back then had insane stats.
Hopefully MLB won't do something stupid in the future to screw over Cy Young, or anyone else, in much the same way they did Ty Cobb, and recognize stats from non-MLB players that make MLB stats/records irrelevant .
