@@microlinux By that standard it already is. Since Pi4 is a 2x4K system. But, a higer res screen is probably not all that useful on this scale anyway. Just remembered my old netbook. 800x600 screen. Good times.. :)
I think technically it is. What if the os gets messed up? Then reflash the SD card. The raspberry pi burns out? No problem replace that, what if the crow pi is a mess and no more laptop? Just take the pi out to use it like a desktop until the next croq pi body comes in the mail
Should have used the GPIO to control some tiny relay switches to change between them. Then a reboot script to switch to the other card automatic. Could not be made simpler!
@@AltCutTV what if we where to make a relay panel that just switched out the HDMI, keyboard and USB connected to a switch! That way you essentially just switch between two computers!
Even having a few Pi4's on hand, I can't justify the price point. At $150, this would be very attractive but I'm sure there would be way too many cutbacks to do so. It's too bad because I honestly think this would be a really cool toy to have around, but why bother when I can buy a budget or used laptop with significantly better performance for the combined price of this and 4gb Pi4? $300 can buy a pretty decent machine these days. And that's factoring in retail price of a Pi4 which is not an easy thing to come by.
I guess this product is for people with money to burn. I could easily get a new/used netbook or chromebook that will run circles around this for $200 - $300.
Yes, used equipment is cheaper than new. And if it's a Windows laptop you want, this doesn't compete with a used one. But for a maker, this is a charming and useful tool.
why bother? cuz your linux app is targetting ubuntu and THIS wonderful little os. raspi is aimin to be the next windows i think. apple/google/windows are mainframes. ubuntu and raspberry pi os are the new pcs. kinda :)
The fact that this device competes with the used laptop market makes it pretty unviable for most people. Even for $150, you'd still be having to buy the actual pi4, which isn't exactly cheap. I've seen them running for over a hundred right now. The 8gb model is running for almost $200. That means you're dropping almost $400 for this single board computer. You could get a decent used laptop that gives you much better performance, especially a decent lenovo. The thing about Pis that made me like them was that they were cheap computers that you could tinker with. Now, they're too expensive for what they are, and too expensive for me to tinker around with. The Pi4 certainly is impressive. But even before the price hike, it was too expensive for me to consider. If you wanted a more powerful machine, you wouldn't go for a Pi anyways. And if you were going for a pi, nearly a hundred dollars isn't what you should be spending on one. I feel that the Pi4 priced itself out of its own market. Once you get above $50, you're creeping into the area where you could spend a little bit more for a used cheap regular computer. Even if it sucks, it's probably still more powerful than a Pi.
Thank you ETA. 👍 The bar for a future rPi5 feels like it's going to be high. Excited to see what they come up with. Hopefully its retail price stays reasonably affordable (adjusting appropriately for both ongoing chip-mmagedon as well as wider general price inflation).
Adjusting the ASP (Average Selling Price) of the Raspberry Pi up even further above what it is already at is just going to price it's original target market completely out of the picture and make it's entire purpose of existence arguably irrelevant. It was aimed at and designed for young people with very little money and for educational usage. Both situations require a ASP of roughly $15-$20 in order to be relevant to the most amount of people whilst retaining competituve hardware specifications. Right now the Raspberry Pi Foundation are not meeting that target price or market with their mainstream offering and so I feel it is fair to say that going forwards the Raspberry Pi Lineup of SBC's is now targetted clearly at more up-market consumers with money to burn, something the average household can no longer afford or justify.
With most people unable to get their hands on a pi 4 at their proper retail price, not just for a little while but will be for an eventual total of a year or more, I doubt many folks are even thinking of how a future Pi 5 might be
5:10 - You say you'd rather plug in a mouse and keyboard, I'm wondering how useful a portable is if neither the trackpad or the keyboard is good enough
Good clear review at a nice pace. What I think is lacking is an SSD. I know that will possibly make it less competitive but using SD cards is not practicable in the long run especially when used as a work-a-day machine. SD card fail, full stop!
This would be an interesting kit to do fun stuff with. I do wish they offered a CM4 version, but I'm wondering how much more the CrowPi would be with needing all the extra bits for it to use the CM4.
The geek in me really wants one. The rational side can't understand why. You can get cheap laptops for the price of the laptop and pi combined, and with the specialized connectors this is unlikely to fit the Pi5, so you can't upgrade later. All you have here is a thick, slow laptop, with little battery life, and that can't really run Windows. Thus it has low resale value when you tire of it. I still want one though.
I dream of running Playstation 2 and GameCube games on a single board computer. Probably with pi 5. But the new sbc RK3588s on the market is doing some good job.
I recently bought an elitedesk 800 g3 i5 with m.2 and 16 gb for $230. Rpi are fun and all, I have one myself, but at this price point it simply isn't worth it to me.
For a bit better desktop experience on this I'd suggest You Ubuntu Desktop for the Raspberry Pi 4... It sadly needs a faster SD card than Raspberry Pi OS to run smooth but the whole Plug&Play/hot-plug experience is much better... You can connect external displays while the system is running and it will immediately work... For sound on the external display, You might need to restart bit it could've changed in the last 2 years when I installed Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on mine... Sadly one thing is pretty annoying on Ubuntu and that is that armhf-software won't work by default because the campatibility layer for armhf on the arm64-version isn't installed by default...
Lol initially I read the product name with a G instead of a C, and thought…”do they realize that the name of their product could be pernounced grope?!!!”
"why not just use a compute module 4" - availability is around the same as a pi4, but for this type of product its far cheaper and less effort to use a Pi4 - you need a carrier board that likely has Ethernet and USB3. Harder to design (although not that hard for a decent EE) and that isn't free to do, in monetary terms and time terms. The only real advantage of using a CM4 is more control over the form factor. But that's not really a massive issue on a niche product like this.
This is a major accomplishment! Let's ignore that fact that it is a little thicker than other laptops at this point; it is irrelevant and distractive to keep bringing it up. The sensor attachment, well, not seeing the value in that. This will definitiely be a successful product, once it comes down in price by about $75-$100.
@@obvious_giraffe8386 AMD's new cpus will support AVX2, AVX512, will have strong iGPU, low consumption, big compatibility in many applications cause of x86 + windows, up to 8 very powerful cores. We will see even Handhelds around 300$ with these specs. So where these Raspberry Pis can be competitive nowadays? Price? Even a smartphone has better specs (+4 cameras, touchscreen, gyroscope, portability) Raspberry Pi was good in the beginning as a small package. Now its just useless for most people other than programmers!
not bad notebooks are from 500 usd. no singificant reason to economy 150 to get limited ARM machine, except you want that architecture. cheap notebooks would have use
I see if you have batocera on one card (which is AWESOME) it just works, but can you just burn the 2nd card with say Twister OS and it will just recognize the keyboard/screen etc so everything will work with a "desktop type OS"??
I understand the price but unfortunatley I can buy much better little system with somthing else :( I thnk for coding projects for beginners migh be ok, again though better bang for buck elsewear
Yet another ridiculously madly designed, bizarly bulky Pi accessory. Do more than a few 100 gullible geeks buy these things? I'd be surprised.......Another one for the recycle bin.
What's even the point of these things? 100 bucks can get you an used laptop that outperforms a Raspberry Pi in every concievable way. Get a fucking ThinkPad. It'll run Windows.
A great accessorie for a product that you cannot buy. Easy pass on this one. It doesn't matter what variant of the Raspberry Pi you are after, none of them are in stock at the retailers in the UK. Right now SBC's are pretty dead in the water, they are either under-powered and over-priced, OR, they have AWFUL software support. And good luck trying to find one in stock at a reasonable price for the perfromance & features that they offer. Also, this is just a Chunky AF Netbook with similar perfromance to a Netbook to go with it, for roughly the same price as what a average Netbook used to retail for. It misses the mark completely.
Or anywhere else on earth, for that matter. The market will move onto something else. I liked the pi while it lasted (just a demo toy to sell chips, really).
@@jotighe2 It sure was a great piece of kit while it lasted! I will savour the fond memories I have of it and other similarly priced SBC's. Ultimately though I will move on to something else with better value as will many other people I suspect.
I cannot see why many would really consider this. It was excessively expensive and when you consider how powerful the Pi4 isn't compared to Intel and AMD processors that you will find in laptops at the same price, you would not even consider this. Right out of the review we hear 3 hours battery life, which would be laughable. The crow tail sensor kit is the one key differentiator that may have more niche use, possibly for business/industrial sectors but you just can't get away from that price for what you are actually getting.
Why would you even consider comparing this laptop to a normal one? Rasperry Pi is supposed to be used for tinkering, development, minor projects, learning etc. With a huge community behind it so many projects would be so much easier to do on this laptop as compared to a normal Windows laptop. The price we pay is a clunky form-factor and low performance. But for a lot of things, the performance is more than enough. I'm sure anyone buying this is more than aware of the potential shortcomings of the Pi and the alternatives if looking for a conventional laptop.
Now this looks really good. I don't mind it being for RPI4 instead of CM4 because you're not loosing anything by using one or the another... Well except that this one is thicker but on the other hand you get bit better angle on the keyboard due to the thickness. Even in pricing it's quite competitive with other small / cheap laptops because with RPI4 it costs only like 360USD so it's quite good. I don't see many bad things with this laptop. Maybe the trackpad placement is weird but I don't like using trackpads so it's not end of the world.
Yes pricey but I feel like making a comparison to just another laptop isn't accurate. This would be a nice plug n play setup for a greenhouse needing sensors. It takes a lot more time and similar investment to go another route anyway.
Ok, the concept is very nice and well executed too... but for 250 $ I don't see any reason other than collecting (or some super niche use cases), to have such a shell for the raspberry pi. Those money would be better invested on an used laptop if the price point is meaningful.
hard to get a cm4... man, i stopped trying to buy a pi4 all together. for months i been trying to get one said $#^& it and just intend to buy a cheap laptop
Yes, you can order it with or without a Pi 4. They have the 4GB and 8GB options. It adds $110 or $150 to the price. Since I already have a Pi 4, I could maybe justify ~$250 for the base kit. I can order sensors and other stuff as needed.
I wish more these cases would have better support for more chips like the ones from lattepandas (could you imagine a handheld lattepanda case where you can install steamos)
Is it compatible with the Raspberry pi 5? Or is CrowPi planned for the Raspberry pi 5? Is it possible to buy components (adapters, internal cards) to repair your computer yourself?
This might be useful IF it is possible to buy RP4 OR this kit in reasonable prices. I have just visited their website. Kit WO RP4-->251.1$, Kit W RP4(4GB)->401.1$ ... 150$ for RP4(4GB)... I can buy a reasonable x64 portable computer with decent batteries and accesories in that price range... It is a real shame. RP family has a low cost RP Pico, a reasonable dual microcontroller. Kits can be produced by a third party. I would like to see more libraries and sensors made usable with micropython etc. But what we get: not so useful but overly priced questionable products on a SBC that regular Joe cannot buy in reasonable prices...
450€....10inch laptop fully cost 2x less ok its cool one but in cost....ok not much they make not much do they have of chouce but still small laptop does much more...
Looks cool and nice and all, but its too expensive to compete with other notebooks. I can get a new notebook for 320€ from lenovo with 15" display and everything. Why buying this instead?
omg they are dumb. for years I was looking for raspberry laptops and they always makes them when a new raspbetty pi comes out and and takes them another 4 years to make them for the new pi that by that time will be replaced
