@@cenciqt6045 what a dumb comment, entire game is full of hackers, always a low IQ wow kid that will bring cringe rating up in a brain dead game lol, this aint starcraft. "x2932939 glad" please retail rating is so inflated.
bros...hands down....doing 2v2 or arenas in general with your buddies? freaking amazing and you are in the same room? bro we jumped from our chairs every time when we won! and that instant high five is priceless my dudes!!!
Poly/Clone should have a 20 sec CD. All CC should have a max duration of 3-4 secs. There are too many snares and roots. Half the game is spent in CC and reality is you should barely be in CC and only CCed at crucial moments. Right now with the abundance of CC it removes the PvP and skill.
Dump add-ons in pvp and remove gear requirement, baseline the gear. Guildwars 2 does it right, make it where skill matters, right now add-ons handicaps and so does gear, skill is a big part, but I don't feel the top players can stay top tier without those crutches. If this video was to deter anyone from joining WoW PvP, it did it's job.
14:05 everyone talks about how basic the vanilla UI was but I can guarantee you that if Weak auras and all these other addons existed back then, they'd have used them too.
Are you telling me 50 extra conquest is not good enough. I'm shock to hear this. I saw we get 50 extra conquest and it made que healer right away. No one said.
I can't really stress enough, I was really enjoying playing resto druid but I got hard stuck at 1300 in solo shuffle because even at 4-2 lobbies I wouldnt move any rating or would randomly go down. The MMR for healers is completely trash and needs to be fixed asap. I'm not the best healer in the world but glad twice and 2k on just about every other class minus demon hunter(boring). If they change the mmr or atleast fix it where I can move up ill keep healing otherwise back to the mage or war. Finding teammates is a secondary problem with 3s. I'm starting to wonder if its just better to add a recolor gladiator mount to the solo shuffle so atleast we get something other than just a title.
I agree, I was 16xx on pres evoker. I proceeded to go 5-1 and then back to back 6-0 and my mmr went from low 1600 to high 1600 the exact same as my rating. You would think if you are 1600 mmr and you go 17-1 you should be around 1950 mmr atleast
@@platinumfactory take a look at the world of warcraft youtube channel, it is an interview from a week ago with Ion and Tina, he talks about it about 20min in the video.
@@dayoftherope1690 not necessarily, BGs and RBGs are not pve based. Maybe they finally realized that it makes way more sense to invest time and resources on the mode most people likes to play.
@diegost2112 I'd argue more people like to play arena, all RBGers play Arena to an extent. While very few arena players play RBGs, although that could be due to the reward systems. RBGs are also more objective based so people can feel it's more just rotating a map rather than eliminating an enemy team.
Regardless of what you throw at people for rewards, you have to balance pvp first. Not only are people not coming to Pvp but a lot of Pvpers are just quitting because it's not fun. Healing is just cancer. I queue into a Dh in 2s and I already know I'm going to get Micro Cc'd by a bayblade doing 110k dps until I die.
I dunno man, As a life long healer who's done pvp alot over the years Arena has a very unique problem where in order for the other 4 players who are playing DPS to enjoy the game, healers have to endure the terrible mechanics. Dampening is the worst, nothing feels more horrible than your heals being less and less effective. I know why it's there, but it sucks. Also most of the time we're on edge about stepping away from pillars where we can just be CC'd. Alot of players ignore this and then yell at us when they got no heals ignoring the 11 sec cc train they just put on us cause a dps'er on our own team forced us into a horrible position. I think in order for PvP in arena to be better the healing needs to be changed. One example i think does a great job of this is Lost Ark pvp. Damage isn't high cause healing is not what support does primarily, you dont need a support on your team in pvp but having one helps tremendously as their job is to set up CC, absorb damage, provide damage themselves, and reduce damage done when a teammate gets caught without an escape and they also provide very minimal healing, not nearly enough to be impactful. This would solve healers feeling like trash while making a meaningful contribution to the match and being desired on a team. It would also mean that DPS could completely forgo the need of a support and play 3 dps which would solve que times completely. There's no way to fix healing in it's current state, giving healers more rewards doesn't fix how bad the class feels to play in arena for most people. If not the way i suggested then something else needs to happen as healing in my opinion is what's causing Arena to be like this. To add, I also agree, if you grind out pvp gear the fun of doing that is knowing you can dunk on people who haven't. I have fond memories of TBC back in the day, the new PVP gear absolutely abolished everyone on pvp servers who did not put time into getting the same gear. As much as people hate to admit it. Grinding out a set, and using it to dunk on people who haven't done the same is one of the big draws of mmo pvp. Having a place where competition is the goal is fine. But being able to exert your will on someone out in the world or in a BG cause you just did pvp content is big fun.
They should make racials like the Birth sign on Morrowind. You should be able to choose a "racial" from a list, so that noone feels unbalanced because of the race and you can play a race you enjoy more, than selecting the more powerful.
DO YOU ALL NOT REALIZE WHY RETAIL DOESNT WORK!? Because its bad the Rotations feel bad pressing your Buttons and the Satisfaction you get from Pressing Buttons feels and is bad Class Designe is bad has nothing to do with freaking Solo Ques and all that Stuff Nobody can give a fck about it fix the Gameplay and Rotations,CC,DPS;Healing etc build and work on a new Game based on Wotlk-Mop Class and Game Designe and everything will be Gucci thats it ..
You just gotta make healers fun to play, and the way you do that is giving them play-styles that people already enjoy. Imagine a healer that played like a warrior, go in start fighting to build rage by hitting enemies, but then instead of using the rage to deal damage they use it on shouts that heal, shield, increases healing done, etc, maybe even putting flags down that give avoidance, leech, and/or movement speed to those within it’s radius. I know some healers wont like that play-style, but it’s not meant for you, you’re already playing healer, it’s so new people can come in and have fun. It’s supposed to suck in that warrior that is like “Hey it plays like a warrior and I get instant queues? Count me in.”
They should just make it to where if you can manage to hit 2k-2400 as a healer you get a wow token. More people will definitely try PvP and try to grow if they can get a free month or hold hands down
lol I’m telling y’all the only way to fix solo shuffle is to make AI healers, YES IT WOULD worsen the game experience not playing against someone but WE WOULD AT LEAST GET TO PLAY lol
This video is why I've opted towards a simpler, less complicated, build for every class I play. I always select talents and builds that make it so I don't have to press as many buttons. I don't care if it's not optimal, there's just so much shit going on in the game I can't be bothered. I just want to sling spells, swing weapons, and do cool stuff and I WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH MENTAL CAPACITY LEFT OVER AFTER TRACKING 1200 THINGS TO ADMIRE THE COOL SHIT.
I don't understand why you praise this game so much. 1. There are almost no stories of each class. All classes one story. - Stupid. 2. If there are no add-ons you cannot play. If Blizzard removes the add-ons from the thousands of players, probably 100 will play. 3. The game is designed to interfere. - Thousands of CCs. 4. Too many spells. One class has 10+ button rotations. 5. Que for solo arena is sometimes waiting for hours. 6. It's full of hackers. Every day I see at least 10-20 hackers playing. What do you call this? Bots play for them, and they are now a WoW pvp guru. And now the new expansion will become even more difficult. Instead of reducing spell box, Blizzard increased it. Do you know how this affects a new player? I will tell you. New play just stops playing after a week. Try SWTOR- Probably you will became a great Sith Lord (if you have the brains to play the game actually, because there is no add-ons. Pro WoW player will be death in seconds in SWTOR PvP. The game also has everything that WoW doesn't have. Everything that i mentoned already.
I'm not just complaining, but hunters are a SERIOUS problem. I just logged in at the start of season 4 after not playing my hunter since season 1 i still had item level 411 gear from season 1. I was hitting for 250-400k..... my fully honor geared warrior (515 ilvl) over 100 item levels more, and i barely hit over 100k if I'm lucky. With an item level difference that large something is not adding up.
I still think they should make a 2v2 Shuffle DPS only No Tanks, No Heals you obviously wouldn't have 6 Rounds, only 3 but the QUEUE would be INSTANT! Idk think it would be fun to just hop in and still get Conquest and progress for rated rewards for the absolute normie.
most of the pvp players are different breed, i mean..most of pvp games nowadays are like..log, que, play. And WoW is log,leveling,gearing,doing stuff around, findin your class is dogshit, doing same stuff with another class...pvp design is messy..thats the problem..pvp should be easy to play and no shit around. Just que and play, no gearing and stuff around
The BMAH box to chase should be implemented (well, maybe not a BMAH but rather, better rewards than a seasonal mount) and the battlepass idea should be for healers & dps with healers getting a lot more and/or different rewards like transmogs, consumables (that can be sold) and etc. PvP is really really bad when it comes to gold making, so giving some maxed out potions, flasks, runes, etc every so often will incentivize people playing more.
39:00 I do enjoy playing with buddies more but my issue with arena has always been people quit to easily and its time to find new partners. At least with Solo Shuffle, I don't need to rely on others to show up consistently. I just have to wait in the queue.
2.4k exp rdruid i dont play SS cause of the high damp dont care about the mmr dont care about the lack of rewards would much rather sit 45 mins in lfg check pvp every single applicant then play a single round of lfg 100% should have just been a regular solo queue into the 3v3 ladder
I'm actually coming out with a video on this very soon. You are wrong about the lobby size, there are only two options given to improve solo. Either que and you play one round and you're out, or you play best 2 of 3 tournament style. This gets healers in and out of games faster, which means more games for everyone.
We def need to bribe healers to play 100%, also they need to make it something like if you go 3 and 3 you gain a couple rating like literally 3-5 rating or something, so you don't have situation where you gain 0 rating etc. makes it feel pointless, people winning 3/4 rounds and getting 0 rating turned off Alot of casual players ( i know everyone hates casuals but you need them for reasonable que times)
Hey man, love your videos. im a returning player and i only PVP. I am stuck on what class to main for PVP and going into TWW. What would you choose out of Demon hunter, Warrior or Death knight to main for a pvp toon? Thank you!
Tbh The pvp is fun in retail The pve is something I can't bring myself to grind through It's just too boring Dungeon spamming is not the answer to this because that's what I started doing after they gutted pve content (no that's not an exaggeration it was gutted so hard you couldn't even finish a zone before out leveling it and granted they fixed it nicely so the zone levels with you (bad for world pvp because it should be the other way around) but it's not the complete fix because mobs still die about as fast as a Korean mmo mob does *which is fucking boring* and this translates to present content pve and its fuckin stupid) TLDR world pve sucks and feels boring so it kills my vibe to bother with retail because it all feels meaningless
one of the biggest problems for me in wow pvp outside of the cheating, scripting, queue times, way too much allowance for people using addons or macros to provide information or preform actions, and all this other crap that has put a competitve game on auto pilot and would be considered cheating in any other competitive game. The lack of multiplayer feeling, 99% of wow content is done without really interacting with other people, even in low level ranked fps games people get on voice chat and work together, this is the same reason why Mobas are boring to play as well for me its a single player experience essentially. FPS games just have more community in the comp space, have more connection between players, and is generally more like going out with your mates to play club sport or what ever irl comp thing you may do. Wow arena, particularly SS feels like playing with bots . the game needs to be more in line with what is acceptable in other genre of comp games otherwise its just hard to feel good putting time in to something that is glorified casual play
Arena will always suffer by gear. you can't play it if you don't start right away and if you fall behind on gear you just die. With M+ you can do lower level mythics and succeed while you gear up. They need to go back to legion style pvp where gear doesn't matter
I think there should be more participation rewards. Like the vicious mount, change the win arena above 1k condition to play above 1k condition. Incentivise less pvp oriented people to at least give it a try. Make healers gain rating on draw, damn make them gain some rating even if it's 4-2.
the gearing system kinda gets to me, each season farm the same items you already have but at a higher ilvl but wait dont forget you have to upgrade those same items yet again ... also the game could honestly do with removing addons all together and bring back player skill and knowledge instead of download skill, alot of players wouldnt even get rating without addons telling them what to press and when. also ive always thought that removing addons and macros even would stop bots from being able to function in wow also. at one point i stopped playing retail because all i did was pvp but the pvp i did was mostly pve due to the botted thing people had going where all they had to do was move their character and all their spells/rotations would be done automatically, or subtle things like a macro making it so you can never miss an interrupt when precog was added into wow, little things like that i think should just be automatically implemented into the game if it was intended to play out where blizzard wanted you to spam you kick button not using its cd because your target isnt casting yet.. I love wow and will most likely play the new expansion but fear that its gonna be ruined by addons, guides or rotation botting.. also some games use a rating system that once you reach one rank you cant lose that rank, you can still lose rating but once you get a rank its locked in making it a much friendlier environment to grind your ranks i think something like this for wow pvp would be a big fix to mmr issues, ive seen many people get to 2390 and then get knocked down to 1900 and need to grind back up again and then never trying for 2400 again maybe only going for 2100 if they still play pvp that is.
yea the fear not breaking for 3 seconds, means it was a 3 second stun, not on stun DR, into a stun. THAT is the problem. It was a good fear, but it should have broken on Sterge if he's getting blasted.
i feel like they should re-balance it in such a way where healers arnt just heal bots. They should do a fair amount of damage too. I know some healers do damage rn but i mean a lot more than they currently do and every healer should do damage not just a few. Obviously they shouldnt do as much as a DPS but they should feel strong. Just make healers better then the other classes. I have no clue how to accomplish this but i think if healers were just stronger than everyone else a lot more people would play them. Now that would change the way 3s is played considerably but its just a thought. Everyone wants people to play healers; just make them way better then everything else and more people would.
I haven't played WoW since the start of DF so maybe im a bit ignorant, but people have been saying wow arena is dying/dead since mop. We're just at another low point boys we got this. Legion came right after WoD dont forget
I think that they need to add a feature at the end of Battleground Blitz. Your team can vote to decide to que in to a regular RBG. If your group succesfully ques, you will get extra conq and honor from the RBG
They could definitely adjust MMR for healers only. Maybe you don't lose rating as easily but not a never ending grind. Healers still like to have an idea of how they compare to other healers and not be just based on how many games one played.
no they do not care about pvp, its just Ai now to adjust % on spells changes from pve, and when the cry babys go on forum to whine for something they cant go arround....
The reason you feel the way you do about gearing is because all you play is warrior.. this is made to make things Alt friendly and it's never been better!
I have never used weak auras and plater profiles and all those thing because I just don't want to go get a PhD in computer science just to set up my game 😅
This is highly illogical. Any game company would poor their resources where the playerbase is playing. It’s no secret that PvE is wildly more popular than PvP.
@@arturk9181 the products that getting sold the most are higher priority on the order list … it makes perfect sense …… You proved his statement with your own argument Idek what to say to that
I think pvp is still fun and they have many reasons to pvp. I think though there is also a few reasons to not even try pvp regardless. And just even 1 reasons to not pvp is not good.
So here is my problem with the "sub numbers". Yeah, sure, they may be better than Legion, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those numbers translate into retail. Retail feels so dead to me. Even in PvE. The problem is that we have 3 other "game modes" in DF than we did in Legion. We have plunderstorm, we have SoD, & we have classic. So, while the numbers may be 7mil subs, this is realistically only Monthly Active Users (MAU's). So this number is fractured between, retail, sod, classic, and plunderstorm because you need an active wow sub to be able to access ALL of these forms of WoW content. This didn't exist in Legion. So while the numbers show that there are a lot of people playing, that doesn't mean 7 million players are playing retail. I want to see individual numbers for each version of wow. But I know we will never see that again.
I just want simple Class roles again. Way less CC/Bloat and for Tanks to be in a great spot in PvP. Especially for BG/RBGs and WPvP which for a lot of players is the PvP that matters. There is nothing better then some Prot PvP.
Give us the ability to block a class/spec from joining our solo shuffle like League. I would que a whole lot more if I could block broken specs like DH that just make it not enjoyable most games.
Solo Shuffle, first healer that wins 2 or 3 rounds ends the game. Healers get's stacks of SOLO VIP buff for every full game completed, it's account wide. The Buff let's you queue another alt / dps at reduced queue time, basicly jump in front of the line, depending on the stacks, you lose a stack when you enter a solo shuffle game as a dps. You get rewarded to play healer and effects your dps alt queue time. The Vaut PVP reward should be split from the PVE vault. The 3x PVP reward from the new pvp vault should be 5 pve item level higher then your current level, so it actually works for pvp and it also rewards PVE players. Would kinda force PVE player to do rated pvp to get an extra PVE/PVP reward.
Why would i want to push above 2400cr on my healers if i KNOW for a fact that AWC healers are struggling at 2400? There's NO incentive for me to keep playing my healer above 2100... its just not fun, and not rewarding. Btw, just got 2400 on my ret, never played dps before XD Nice video Baj! Love those reacts.
I only did arena from tbc to dragonflies season 1 now I just raid in cata needed to many add-ons to play and got punished for playing healer so left pvp.
My idea was substitute CC with skill shot big damage abilities with CC attached. So it feels great to hit the skill shots. Make healing feel really rewarding to play feom a combat perspective.
I never played a healer, in any game, it's not a playstyle of my preference, but I do have big respect for all healer players behind my butt. That being said, do you think it would help to get more healers to q and play shuffle if, you would not lose rating at all, so you could only climb up (only if queueing as heal). The worst case scenario is you won't move up. M+ rating is basically that. You deplete key, you lose time with some terrible group of screaming randos, but you don't fall in rating. The current rating of M+ does not recognize specs, but the rio score that was even before official ingame rating for M+ does that, it says that this and this player got that rating as tank, and that as heal. Edit: Okay Pika mentions something similar later in vid lol, nvm.
For me, I really find it difficult to stay attached to other MMOs that have a lot of horizontal progression. WoW does a nice job of giving you that dopamine, then you plateau for a while but always have the ability to squeeze an extra few percent of added power by doing some hardcore grinding. It's great.
I know I'm an oldhead who loved OG world PVP, but I still think the move to instanced PvP instead of having open world PVP incentives and events is a massive failure on the wow pvp team's side. Arenas are tired, I'd like to see some more innovation on the PVP outside of Arenas.
I can say with confidence that most of us don’t really watch but listen to content creators and that because we’re playing games ourselves. Might not be WoW but we’re gaming. A prime example is how I’m doing bgs in SoD while listening to this reaction video. Keep doing these reactions we love it! ❤
1) I’m now subbed to Pika. 2) Thank you for more entertaining reaction videos! 3) Pika moving himself around the screen, to where you were was peak. 😂 “mind if I rest on your strong shoulders”
4:24 Baj I think that this system is good but for pve where it makes sense to close the gap between the next tear. For PvP I do think that ppl should just get their gear relatively easy which will open the doors for more ppl to join in :)
