A obviously. Even not talking about how bad they were last year. They are 1st in pacific. Without a doubt an A rebuild. The fact that they were so bad last year just makes it better
@@matthewsmith2237The rebuild got us a Generational dman, franchise center, franchise goalie, and elite goal scorer in Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, and Boeser. It’s an automatic A+ as they got the most important pieces you need to win a stanley cup. Then coming out the rebuild made the best trade in franchise history getting JT Miller. Allvin has done a masterful job getting the pieces to surround this elite core to take the next step.
@@pegasus6116 Honesly, petterson isnt worth the 11 million in the playoffs rn. i mean hes almost getting paid as much as panarin. and he has more than pasta rn
The best teams are the ones who make their luck. As I once heard an analyst say "You gotta get lucky to get good, but you gotta get good to get lucky."
PDO is merely a ratio of shooting percentage and save percentage. It cannot tell you that the Canucks prefer to cycle over shooting mindlessly at the net, or that we have not one, but two of the best goalie coaches in our system -- Ian Clark in Vancouver, and Igor Shesterkin's goalie coach back in his KHL days in Marko Torenius. It cannot tell you why Hogs scored 24 goals at even strength despite being on four different lines this season, and it can't tell you how good Lindholm has been defensively as a centerman. I think PDO caters to human psychology because it tries to provide a simple answer to a tough question which is what most people truly want in life, no matter how skewed or flawed the end result may be. Boston's PDO was high as well last year, but nobody even knew what PDO was until the Canucks overachieved (allegedly).
I remember before the season Boston won the presidents some people and myself thought they would have a bad year with the roster not looking as good as the year before it but now it’s makes sense that they’re PDO was higher than normal and them losing in the first round would make so much more sense than it jus being “playoff” hockey
@@cross_ie7590 A lot of that also came down to the little things not being done optimally by Boston in the final 3 games of their playoffs last season, and speaks volumes about a statistical factor called standard deviation, which is SO important to consider when analyzing empirical statistics yet is getting overlooked by everyone in the hockey world because they only want to focus on one stupid number. 🙄
You've got some juice Rob when you can get a legend like Brendan Morrison on your show... good to see how much he is still into the hockey culture. With the talent that Vancouver has, I'm surprised it has taken them this long to get back into contention. I think the team management was the biggest hurdle as they made some bad deals that hurt their bottom 6, as well as the defense, for several years. The coaching change is huge... Tocchet is one of those guys who is great at motivating people. I watched Tocchet play, and also got to see him coach, and I can definitely say the guy knows how to get the most from his players.
loved hearing your guys opinions. I grew up on the West Coast Express line!! Brendan Morrison, Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund will always hold a special place in my hockey heart.
Theyve been able to sustain it for a full season so we cant call them just lucky. Sure theyve definitely been lucky at times but theyve earned their luck a lot of the time this season. My only question is how sustainable is the way they play going into next season because weve seen before teams have these crazy seasons out of no where but then the next season they arent able to repeat it because teams figure out an easy way to shut them down. I dont think thats the case with the Canucks but I dont think we see them 1st in the Pacific next season either
Gonna be hard to shut down a team with a generational norris winning dman(Hughes), two franchise 100 point centers(Pettersson and Miller), and franchise vezina calibre goalie(Demko), and elite 40 goal scorer(Boeser). Also with blue chip prospects in Lekkerimaki and Willander still on the way. They’ll be a powerhouse for a long time.
It seems PDO is a hugely overrated stat. Yes, the Canucks have the highest PDO, but looks at the top 5 season PDO: 1. Vancouver Canucks 102.9 2. Winnipeg Jets 102.7 3. Boston Bruins 102.6 4. New York Rangers 102.0 5. Dallas Stars 101.8 It's difficult to seriously argue that the Bruins, Rangers, and the Stars are in the playoffs because they're frauds. So let's accept for the sake of argument that Vancouver and Winnipeg are frauds (because I've heard that said about the Jets too). So 2 of 5 are frauds. In other words, PDO is about as useful a predictive tool for identifying teams who are playing above their class as a coin flip. I like the idea of PDO reflecting a culture, though, there seems to be a little more merit to that when you sort the league by PDO, though it's still not perfect.
We had the most insane puck luck at the beginning and of the season. If we get that back in the post season we are unstoppable. May the gods smile upon us.
wouldnt mind a vancouver/boston rematch, saw some canucks fans on twitter saying they need to get rid of pettersson, like hey we need a center, ill jump to have Petey on the team
Canucks fans also wanted Boeser out. Years ago, they didn't think highly of the Sedins, early in their careers. Too much rain out there. Their brains get water-logged. Go Canucks!
Interestingly, the teams with the top PDO in the league are also the teams who were near the top of the league. Luck? No. Just better shooting and goal tending than the rest. Trying to call it luck factor is misinterpreting the basic metrics. The league as a whole will end up with a 1.000 PDO average across all teams. Good teams will be higher, bad teams will be lower.
The PDO is in part luck but it's also sign of teams with good goalies!? The top 3 teams in PDO...were Vancouver,Winnipeg,and Boston and I don't think it's a coincidence that each of those teams has great goaltending and their goalies r among the top goalies in the league!? Vancouver has Demko, Winnipeg has Hellebyuck,and Boston has Swayman & Ullmark!!!??
Have you seen that kid Guenther play? No chance we got anything out of it. Right now we'd have 8.5 mill in cup space and 20 year old stud. No buyout penalty for years. That was an awful trade.
You talk about stats alot and how that's important. But you keep talking about there goalie that won't be on for the rest of the tournament. Do you see how fast things change? Real fast. Now there's a guy on the ice that no ones heard of. Maybe he's better, maybe he's worse. Maybe cunucks will drag these rounds on to let the goalie feel the pressure. Get some more experience in. What I've noticed is that cunucks focus on goals, the other team are meat heads, they get mad, they get physical. Get distracted by the other players. Canucks are destroying right now. The game they lose was there most aggressive in trying to get goals. They are 3-1 right now so there's a high chance they will go through to the next round.
If Matthews is given 10 shots in the slot open against Campbell. He will obviously score more goals then Connor Brown taking 10 shots open in the slot against Hellebuyck. Matthews will have a higher PDO. But its not because hes "Lucky" Its because hes more talented and is facing worse competition. The Canucks played in the Pacific Division with plenty of mid and bad teams while having super talented players. To me at least. Its safe to say it wasnt a fluke this year. They are super talented.
@Jrsweezie Yeah that's also the division with 2 bottom 3 teams in Anahiem and San Jose and 2 other mediocre bottom 10 teams in Seattle and Calgary. When you compare to lets say Metro where a .500 team finish 7th it's pretty bad. Not just metro either. Ottawa was around a .500 team. Arizona was until they lost 18 in a row.
Since my beloved Red Wings failed to show up to the dance, I'm rooting for your boys to take it home. Who doesn't love a good underdog story? I've been following you for a long time and you're channel just keeps getting better. Congrats Rob!
So funny. I absolutely hate Bruins, despise Oilers, can't stand Leafs (with the rest of Canada in agreement), don't get me started with the garbage goal Flamers, Avs fans I cringe to see in the stands a whole bunch of soccer mom Karens but if any team deserves a watch, admiration and node is RWings and their fans. Hats off to you.
Sort of the same! Wings fan who has sort of been keeping a close eye on the Canucks as a backup 😅❤️ The comeback against Nashville almost moved me to tears, partly because I got flashbacks to Detroit’s amazing comebacks this season! 🤩😍❤️ As Patrick Kane said after Detroit had been eliminated: “it’s like nothing I’ve seen before, there’s no quit in this team.” Canucks proved that they also are, or at least can be, that kind of team. Gotta love it! 😍😍😍
@@lenaforsgren I don't think Kane is coming back (unfortunately) so I'm hoping Stevie swings for the fences and reels in Stamkos or maybe even Marchessault (damn VGK are a cutthroat organization). If the Canucks don't make it, part of me wants to see McDavid win one. I'm not a big Holland fan and, sure, the league pushes him hard, but he really does put in the extra effort. Just my two cents. It might be petty, but I was glad that the Caps got swept. I can't bring myself to root for the Rangers either. Maybe Carolina? Hopefully the Canucks keep it rolling and I don't need to go there!
Craziest thing about this series is Demko has been out since Game 1, his back up was injured in Game 3, and now theyre playing with a friggin rookie goalie
I'd rather see the Canucks go on with some luck and win then another US team that is "helped" by the referees during the playoffs like we've seen since the past 10 years...
All you have to see is sissoons missing the open net. All luck. They have been outplayed for 3 games and the only reason why they are up is because Nashville is shooting them selfs in the foot. You can throw all these stats and other things you described in this Video but the fact of the matter is they like the devils last year were extremely lucky and healthy for most of them year. You have to be very lucky to win the amount of games they did this year. Great team but very very lucky
I'm not so sure about the PDO thing because some teams tend to pepper the net with low probability shots whereas other teams tend to hang on to the puck as they try for the perfect tick-tack-toe goal. Teams that strive for perfect goals will, in theory, end up with a higher PDO.
When it comes to matters of luck, the best statement I've heard is "good teams create their own luck." If you're a good team, you'll be creating situations where you're more likely to get the good bounces or capitalize on that strange bounce that put the puck on the back door with an open net. Because the good teams will have a guy on that back door for just such an eventuality. Bad teams will have that guy behind the net or in the corner, so the puck trickles through and nobody's there and the D or goalie eventually clears or smothers it. Or that puck tricked through the goalie at the other end and a d-man or backchecking forward was there, Jonny on the spot to clear it out of harm's way before the other team could do any real damage. Bad teams don't do that and that loose puck is left sitting that extra fraction of a second longer where an attacking player may just get to it ahead of the goalie and bang it in.
Nashville is a big physical team, I figured it would be the biggest hurdle for Vancouver. They came out swinging in game 1 and I thought “wow, they’re really gonna do it.”
The Canucks outplayed Nashville in Game 2 for most of the game but lost. I think the message going into Game 3 was to not lose sight of the prize and stick to the system because statistically Nashville couldn't keep winning if the Canucks kept playing the way they did in Game 2. Game three was won on hard work and sticking to the system, and Game three was won on resilience. They were able to shake off the "accidentally on purpose" tripping of Petey during their celi. They didn't challenge the kicked puck, but instead overcame those hurdles and came back to win. I fake team can't do that.
We've had to play not one, not two, but THREE goalies, and we're still finding ways to win. Sure it's not the cleanest wins, but we're up 3-1. This team is legit
Never heard of this channel until I seen this title, but I clicked it thinking you were going to burn the Canucks. But one of the top comments I see is Brendan Morrison responding saying "thanks for having me" made me instantly interested in what had to be said! To have a legend like #7 on your channel and video and the break downs both of you have put in, became an instant fan and sub. Preds were downed in a hard fought series, where I don't think the 3-1 series win doesn't justify thinking Canucks "owned" them in any means. I'm stoked for the Edmonton series!
We so fraud cause we never truly rebuild or tank, we sucked by accident under Benning for 8 years, never won a single lottery pick (drop a couple spots almost very time), drafted a couple busts in Virtanen and Juolevi with high pick, yet lucked our way into Hughes and Boeser 😂😂😂
Benning was terrible. So many wasted picks. His scouting team and Linden forced the Pettersson pick. Hughes, Demko, Boeser were all from the scouting team. Benning kept wanting to pick guys like Virtanen, Juolevi, Kole Lind, etc. Instead of real NHL future players.
First and foremost, it's sad when a title depicts a message that a hockey team is fraud when that team is doing everything possible to win a playoff game. We have to remember that any team in this playoff has a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Now if an underdog wins the Stanley Cup does that mean they are frauds too?
You're a fairly smart guy, so your intelligence informs the reasoning of the awful clickbaity title of this video. 🤷♂️ And it's truly awful. So awful it's downright fraudulent.
This core group always kind of played this way. In the series against Vegas few years ago for example they were outshot badly and still managed to take them to 7 games.
Analytics can give some good context and lay some foundation, but it doesn't measure cohesiveness and heart. The Leafs, for example, are stacked with a talented core, but the Leafs don't play as a cohesive team. The Canucks were doing similar things until Tocchet came along. Now, Vancouver can throw any five guys out there and they'll play well together. On paper, the Leafs should have wiped Boston in 4, but hockey isn't played on paper and the Bruins have a tight, cohesive team who buy into a system and a formula and that's why they're up 3-1 as of this writing.
Leafs also don’t have a Generational Norris winning dman in Hughes or Vezina calibre Franchise goalie in Demko. Leafs are just a horribly built team with 3 good forwards, trash defence and goaltending.
It's a bit of a stretch to think that defending hockey players spend a lot of time going over individual shooting stats of the opposing team. Mostly they just don't want to be embarrassed, and end up on some highlight reel somewhere for years. If a player is slippery you might give him a little more room so you have enough time to react before he beats you clean. That extra room can be used to get off a shot. And defensemen will always have a lower scoring percentage because they are shooting from a greater distance. Most of the time they are looking for the tip, which if successful doesn't even count as a goal, it's an assist.
For sure, but teams watch film on top players to create game plans. For example, Pettersson used to be left wide open on the ride side every powerplay. He is rarely left open, because of teams studying his play style and the teams PP
Oilers fan here… try not to compare Hughes and MCDAVID! Ever again… also the nucks just got lucky last year, catching the entire NHL off guard, I even doubt the nucks will make the playoffs 2025… damn those nuck fans were talking a lot of smack about the oilers … “We want Oilers”?! Well oilers won baby!… I just love watching the reaction of nuck fans after game 7 :3
Forsberg kick in goal = FRAUD Hronek needs to go Suter needs to finish We've had the second Lowest shots in a series ever for a first Round Canucks in 7!!
Well, the Canucks have delivered this year (fan since they joined the NHL--old school). Great interviews, btw. But not Frauds, just kinda unexpected interlopers. Not too terrified Team is about the goaltending situation--although activating Silovs this early is a bit...alarming. Team is strong. Love to see it. Work to be done...
16:52 "Only one of them would become a Star." This is true in both ways...Kevin Connauton is the only player he drafted who played for the Dallas Stars (from a 2 minute scan). It's possible some more of them played for the Texas Stars and never reached the NHL though, didn't bother verifying all of the players who never played in the NHL.
I dunno why you think demko is not involved in PDO cause hes had some incredibly lucky plays and games this year... All the scorpion saves are pure luck, him diving across the net and getting a hand on the puck is pure luck, 9/10 times the forward is gonna bury those goals on demko but it just so happens that he strung goals together, and Vancouver is also lucky with injuries this year in that no terrible ones but quinn hughes looks pretty slow against nashville and petterson looks a little weak and demko is out, I'm betting there are some hidden injuries, they also got lucky playing teams when they were slumping, for example they beat the oilers 3 times early in the season but that was when the oilers were the 31/32 placed team in the league but imagine people surprise when the oilers were only i think 4 points back at the end of the season.... oilers are way hotter that the canucks
The way I see luck in hockey is that there is no such thing. The puck has crazy bounces, but the best in the league can read those bounces and make plays off of them. Sure some people are just in the right place at the right time, but being in the right place is a skill on its own. You also need the reaction time to even capitalize on those opportunities, and people seem to think it's either good or bad luck that makes those things happen when in reality it's skill. The Canucks move the puck well and they have a good core, it was a matter of time before they got the puck sliding their way.
They earned the goals they got and got lucky with a missed shot by the Preds. Luck is why hockey players don't shave, so don't be a putz. Shots happen!
Analytics get so specific these days they end up missing or leaving out important context. When a team "defies statistical models" for a whole season the models likely need to be recalibrated.
Put a body on Hughes and you stop him, put a body on Makar and you stop him. Having a guy like Wilson or reaves will allow for that to happen and may add to the scoring as well.
Brendan Morrison should be on a national network! He clearly has an immense amount of knowledge and a unique perspective to offer i hope he gets everything he want out of his online showing! This man has been a star in the show and was one of my favourite players growing up!
you might want to reconsider your click bait title. Lets see how they do with the oilers. I think you might be surprised. What makes u an expert. Did you ever play the game at a professional level, coach gm scout agent anything? Highly doubtful ?
What this shows me is that Vancouver has all the pieces for a deep, playoff worthy team, but they need more experience. Their mental just isn’t there yet, and I don’t know if they could beat a Colorado or a Vegas, Carolina, Florida, the Rangers, ect.
