This Price is Unbeatable! Moza R12 + KS Steering Wheel Review 

Carbon fiber is always in a composite matrix

@@joelriva5424 well looking at their website it’s clearly advertised differently, the word “composite” is not mentioned on the GS GT or FSR wheels for example. KS= Carbon Fiber Reinforced Composites GS GT= Forged Carbon Fiber Frame FSR= Toray Carbon Fiber I just wanted to highlight the difference in its construction.

Do you really expect a well-researched video from a paid actor?

This is how Moza advertises. So whatever it says, always take it with a liberal dose of salt.

It's enough carbon to make it rather sexy I'm probably gonna buy one of these very soon

The letters are actually stickers so you can customize which button does what.

@@eXo173 Thanks. That wasn’t mentioned in the reviews I’ve watched, though I have skipped through a few of them to the actual driving impressions.

I was about to purchase r9 v2... But this fact i see mentioned might be a decider to go for r12. I just dont know what this means... I see there is connections on r9 too. I plan to use r9 with Thrustmaster TLCM pedals so I assume they can't go into moza base anyway

Dont ever buy anything with console in mind your gonna be on a P.C sooner than you think and its night and day. Sim racing is not even inthe same universe feel wise etc on console VS P.C . Dont buy for console buy with P.C in mind always.

@@lowproscrumbum What should I do until then? A PC is out of my budget for the foreseeable future. Console sim racing is what I have and what I can afford. I can’t just stop racing because it’s on a console and not a PC. I’m enjoying my time having fun and learning a lot by racing on my PlayStation. But would like to upgrade my wheelbase to a very good DD that I won’t need to change once I do make the big jump to PC sim racing.

@@JuniorSwingman Yes you have the right idea make sure when you get a base it is also compatible with P.C and you will be stoked. Fanatec is your best bet if you have to buy for console as well. just don't get the GT bundle get the normal not GTsport branded DD with the universal hub and then you can use all kinds of rims with it. Also, I would focus on the P.C. first. The console can't even use a quarter of what the DD can do anyway it's a waste like putting Pzeros on a Civic. Any way you do decide to do it good luck and have fun.

@@lowproscrumbum Which one is the normal Fanatec wheelbase that supports both PC and console?

@@JuniorSwingman Fanatec console support usually depends on the wheel-bases. They are usually Xbox and PC compatible (Xbox comp chip is in the wheels itself) or you can buy a specifically licenced PS variant (PS comp chip is in the wheelbase), which will let you play on all systems depending on the wheel you use it with. Compatibility is always listed on their website. I do not think you can buy a non-DD wheelbase directly from Fanatec anymore; if you want a non-DD, I think second-hand is your only option. CSL Elite and CSW 2.5 are probably your best bets if you want a belt-driven wheel from Fanatec; just check the console compatibility before purchasing because it may vary (e.g. the CSL Elite had a variant which was compatible with Xbox and PC only and also a variant which was compatible with PS, PC). If you want a cheap DD for console you have to go Fanatec. I do not think there are any other DD wheels from other manufacturers with native console support. Here you have 2 options again, depending on the console of your choice: for Xbox, buy the CSL DD with an Xbox-compatible wheel (eg. the McLaren V2). For PS, buy the GT DD, here the wheel itself does not matter (also if you want to spend a lot, you can go for a Podium DD1 PlayStation edition, but I personally would not do that unless you are certain that you will buy a PC too in the foreseeable future). Side-notes: all Fanatec wheels are PS compatible with the right wheel-base, so in the future, you can purchase any in the Fanatec eco-system, and it will work. Also, all wheelbases are PC compatible too, so if you decide to switch to PC in the future, you will be set. Hope this helps.

Total overkill for deskmount, maybe the R5? In order to get the full benefit of direct drive's fine detail the motor unit must be rigidly mounted.

I saw it a week before the release that they would release something new. But I thought it would only be a wheel.

If Im not mistakened for fanatec they had to add some chip to get it to work with the xbox so it might not be that straightforward

​@@someoneonly I do remember Fanatec talking about the chips and I know Xbox requires a proprietary chip but not sure about PS5. I saw in another review that the back of the R12 now has a slot for pedals where the R9 and R5 did not have that slot. This gives me a sliver of hope that it can be done via software update but hopefully we find out sooner rather than later lol

You can play just fine with Brook Ras1ution 2 adapter. Not as good as native DD but at least it works, for someone who mainly plays on PC.

@@caseyrybak Thanks for sharing this as I was curious how well these adapters actually work. I mostly play on PC as well and have a Fanatec CSL DD so it works native on PS5 and allows me to switch to play GT7 which has been the only thing holding me back from getting Moza. If the adapter gets the job done then I will def be making the switch. Thanks again!

@@m4tty- Unfortunately, PS requires a chip too, due to licencing. The difference is that the Xbox chip is in the wheel, and the PS chip is in the wheelbase itself.

yes..lot better

We're curious what the Community thinks 👀

I got my gs wheel used for 350$. Its a great wheel but very expensive new

My wild guess is yes as the r12 engine look the same. R5 and r9 use same clamp for etc

Yes it does…. Says so on their home page.

if you have multiple Fanatec Products, i don't think it's worth it.. not to mention that Fanatec it's most likely working in a new wheelbase for the 12 Nm to 15 Nm range, since they discontinued the DD1 Podium for the PS4 I would bet that until the end of this year we'll hear something about that, for sure..

Exactly this

i think u should right go for the alpha, not the mini.

true fanatec app looks outdated af and does not have as much control as moza but i think abs/kerb etc are all candy that a lot of people dont use anyway or games often offer. Some people say moza is inconsistent and ffb is not on part with fanatec. dont know. i have csl dd and it's pretty good. i tried logitech g pro but 11 n was okay, it was way too much force for me to enjoy for prolonged time.

Yea, so beating software... especially locking some sliders when u don't using Moza wheel and wrong names, descriptions for that sliders...

Fanatec just lowered their prices for the DD entry wheel bundles down to 399€. I don't think that they are ignoring the competition. You get now a CLS DD with CLS Pedals and a CLS Load-Cell Break for 540€, do some wiring magic and it's doing 8NM for 540€ + shipping, 20% Vat included. Doesn't make the Moza R12, R9 or R5 bad, etc But certainly both companies seem to have notice that they are in pretty fierce competition to each other. Meanwhile Thrustmaster charges 400€ for a T300 GT and don't get me even started on the price tag on Logitechs DD-Wheels. ;-)

Yeah but T300 GT can be used with PS5, the licence is quite expensive, just look to Fanatec GT DD pro, same wheel like CSL DD, but 300 dollars more expensive.

@Traumglanz of course they know but it's the fact that we still have no qr2 and moza has a better and more reliable quick release. The price drops makes it look like a way to get rid of extra units and not as a way to answer to the competition. If I remember they dropped their price before moza.

@@NamePend IIRC, Moza dropped them first, but Fanatec responded with giant price drops in comparison. So yeah, clearing stock might be the reason for the low price, which would suggest that they either fear some new 5NM wheels coming out that destroy the DD 5NM and Moza R5 or have something in the pipeline themselves for the old price bracket. Either way, it's a win for us. Getting a good DD wheel never had been as cheap and the competition is great. Besides that, the quick release on the Moza really is something else, love that, one of the big reasons why I really would like to upgrade to the R12. Alas there are a lot of other things that come first for me. ;-)

@@vvs6433 Most of those 300 dollar should be from the wheels quality and Grand Turismo license imho. You can see that their Club Sport Universal hub for Xbox is just 20€ extra over the one for just PC. T300 and the TX are pretty close in price. So it doesn't seem like Sony is charging outrageous amounts of money.

I would love to try the new Logitech dd. Truforce is a great innovation from Logitech that really separates it from the dd crowd as I understand it. The bulky size is a dealbreaker for me personally tho so I went with the r9

@@artursjoblom5142 I hope you like it. Sounds like a great piece of hardware.

good point.. this ks look a bit cheap