Sued for using fiber filled concrete with the same crack resistance and toughness specs as rebar reinforced one? Look at the video again, normal concrete isn't that stringy.
This Foreman is one dumb ass idiot. Glad you recorded this. Your boss will probably be able to charge you for the tear out and repour. Who checks the one who is suppose do to know,. What he's doing.
Yeah, putting rebar on the ground is fine. I mean, so what if the pour cracks the first time the ground shifts due to; frost heaves, water/drainage issues, earthquakes, etc. I mean they are only paying for the work. What do they want besides being overcharged?
@@bigben9492 but... You are supposed to have rebar lifted! Those people are right!! I've worked plenty of concrete jobs, not a single one have we left the rebar on the ground.
you dont need rebar or mesh for residential jobs of 4 inches. its only ever used for high stress jobs for large vehicles or very large slabs that cannot have control joints.
@@shanejones-lv4yl If you’re paying them, that is exactly what happens. You know what you want, but have no idea how to make it happen. You hire someone and tell them what you want, and it is up to them to figure out how to make it work. If what is being asked of them isn’t feasible or too costly, they should decline the job of quote higher price. It’s no reason to get pissed.
@@shanejones-lv4yl Do you understand this was a satire video? You NEVER EVER let rebar touch the earth. They were pouring a drive way in this video which does not require steel to be added. Only the approach would require steel. This is a troll video and you bit down hard....
@@GladiatorSlows if you agree to that in the contract or agreement beforehand. Otherwise no, you pay full price. What makes you believe you should be able to decide someones pay scale AFTER they complete a job?
Do you know why the rebar is supposed to be elevated? Because if it’s touching the ground it can rust out due to ground water contamination or inundation … there is a reason to do it correctly… you need rebar on the edges for strength and welded wire in the fields so it won’t crack and it doesn’t matter if you have mesh fiber added concrete, the rebar and wire should have been properly installed first… if you’re tired of hearing you’re doing it wrong, quit doing it wrong.
. Most common installation is installing is laying the rebar out. And adding the spacers later. Or lifting the rebar in the concrete as they pour. Both work just fine
@@chancetolbert4852 spacers? Or chairs as we call it here are deemed compulsory by most city councils here. I’ve never seen anyone laying it on the ground or lifting it up during pours.
It was always the b**** you always had to follow the cement going down with the back of the hook of the hammer and pick the rebar up just to make sure it was off
@@PRND21 2 old ladies are walking through a park when they were confronted by a flasher. One of the old ladies had a stroke, the other one wasn't quick enough..
Not installing rebar is "the stupidest thing a concrete installer" can do. Plus, the rebar must be lifted off the ground. If you hate that additional work, then get the heck out of the conrete business.
@@MichaelMantion I disagree with you on that! Fiber just doesn't have the strength or control you get with rebar. Fiber is alright for small slabs with light traffic, but not so much overall. Fiber can also suck when it comes to finishing the concrete.
@@phoebethesapphic7289 nothings wrong with it and there's no reason not to do it, and there's no reason not to do it properly or how the customer asked you to. This video is supposed to be a "joke" because he mixed fibers into a thin mix of concrete, so allegedly they don't need rebar, but after the concrete starts to break apart in a year or two that won't stand up in court.
@@phoebethesapphic7289 it reduces the chances of the cement cracking if the earth and/or foundation underneath shift or from weather, and if it still breaks it makes it less bad.
Just pour on top of the grass, the grass fibers really help tie it together. The strength is equivalent to #6 bar with 12" spacing, the grass just gives you better expansion, and gives it flexibility. You can pour for $1 a sq ft
@@PS41263 @PS41263 a bit, sure. Buy a crack in the foundation allowing moisture to duty on the rebar over one or a couple decades will cause expansion, increased failure in the concrete, and the eventual failure of the rebar itself. Now, the driveway will be replaced before then, and rebar is a bitch and a half to clean up, but for many infrastructure jobs, it is important to do a moisture barrier and raise to inbed the rebar. It will take something from a 25 year life use to over a century. It's even better if you coat the bars, which they do for parts of mega projects they expect to last far past the next century.
@@brixz800 If you mean mixing shredded CF into concrete would negate the need for rebar you would be wrong. Yes it would make it stronger, but not in the specific way that rebar does. CF is good for compression forces, but not for sheering forces, which is what rebar is good for.
The logical thing would be him doing it on a smaller size of the area to show the employee how it’s wrong, not mess up the entire damn area for a “i told you so” moment
I've worked civil in refineries and I was told rebar needs to be elevated it prevents rust and reinforces the concrete. I learned that from the old timers .
@@jacobl9387 Fiberglass mixed concrete is no substitute for rebar reinforced concrete. They have different pros/cons. Fiberglass helps with small cracks and adds localized supporting strength but it isn't going to help at all with larger cracks over a larger area caused by frost heave or poor drainage and large surface vertical differentials that develop over a large area and a long time. If you do concrete work on anything larger than a driveway for a single car garage or a pedestrian patio then it should have rebar or you could end up redoing it all in less than 20 years. In that situation of choosing between no rebar concrete vs. blacktop / ashpalt, you are better off with the latter every time because of the much cheaper price, unless as I said it's for a single car driveway, patio, sidewalk, or other walkway in which case you might be ok for concrete with no rebar to last more than 20 years.
@@hoosier_turtles_and_tortoises 5000 psi concrete is on an 8-12 month waiting list right now in a lot of places of the USA due to new housing construction and the housing market and such. Its just not an option. A lot of smaller towns in the rural areas of the USA have never even have it as an option to begin with and its never ordered or used for residential projects.
It has fiber mesh reinforcement in the concrete. If you live in an area that doesn't have a freeze thaw cycle fiber mesh alone will be fine. All concrete cracks no matter what reinforcement you use
@@indianaboy3166 take a look in Rome 2500 year old concrete and no cracks yre lazy cheap simpleton start counting the rework happy go lucky so not half wrong butalltheway don't piss on your not so concrete tired chappy
Fibers do not increase the flexural strength of concrete, so it can not replace the structural steel reinforcement. Fibers resist and reduce cracking while drying and shrinking. Some fibers can reduce permeability of concrete to resist water damage as well.
@@russellcookson2962 about how he is getting people correcting him on how to do his job properly and he doesn’t like it. So this job he did not lay any re bar down which gives the Concrete strength he is a dumb ass and just poured it right onto the dirt and is being a whiny bitch. This guy knows nothing about pouring concrete.
This is what happens when the owner does not know to specify rebar and chairs for that rebar. Some contractors think they are smarter than engineers. There is a reason for rebar and concrete codes. If the contract mentions reinforced concrete anywhere then you as the contractor are responsible for the installation of the rebar. You filmed the unreinforced concrete installation. I would say it's not a smart move.
Yeah I’ve never seen a pour that big without rebar especially on quality job like this…not to mention in an area close to a fault line lulz seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen
Off the ground, means suspended... It's like placing an ice cream stick in the middle or against the edge of container before freezing. Middle is preference, edge is ok. No stick is not ok
I worked on a project that the inspector was talked into leaving the rebar on the ground. When the engineers looked at the inspection report and photos the project was put on hold and the entire slab was removed and replaced. Don't be stupid.
“I’ll comment on a video I know nothing about but it’s fine because OP made the video so bitches like you can leave a stupid comment and help the algorithm anyways :)”
The rebar stabilizes the concrete so that's why it has to be in the middle. If you add it to the ground it's not stabilizing as well. Funny you don't know what your doing or lazy though lol.
@@cadillacjack908 are you still using the same stuff your great grandpappy uses, or you seen a video of someone using rebar once so you know everything?
For all the people that don't know.... it's called fibrecrete basically high strength concrete with millions of strands of Fibre mixed in... doesn't Crack and it's near impossible to use a jack hammer on
Either use rebar properly or don't. It's perfectly fine to add a little thickness of concrete and remove rebar entirely but when the rebar touches the ground it will rust out in the first year, maybe longer in drier climates. That said reinforced joints (like with rebar or dowels) will remain flatter longer regardless what anyone says.
You lift the mesh just so it's embedded in the concrete. Exposed metal, even underneath will still rust and rot causing the concrete to to deteriorate faster. On the other hand, you use the mesh to make the concrete stronger so that it doesn't crumble apart. Just a carpenters opinion.
So you punished another customer because somebody else complained it's very unprofessional and not putting rebar it's going to make that concrete very unstable and crack everywhere you should know this wtf is wrong with you
i know a batch man that mixed concrete which would be loaded to a cement truck and delivered. he said when he mixed it and loaded the truck, generally the truck has 45 minutes to get to the job site and pour. any longer and it will start to set up in the truck which the drivers add water to stop that from happening which makes the concrete weaker which it will crack. i've seen it at construction sites where the cement truck shows up and the slab guys are still nailing up the forms, driver has to spray some water in the cement truck. you go by that house a year later there are cracks all over the driveway.
I drove concrete for 2 years and never once was rebar on the ground. Those people telling you to lift the rebar are trying to HELP YOU.. I hope you get sued and have to PAY Someone Else to do the Job right bc you won't and that is clear by your unwillingness to learn
I'm glad you decided to put that in against the codes and that way if you have to break it up later and take it back out and replace it with the rebar you'll be the person who suffers
this! was on big sites tying bar and that's what we used to keep it on the ground when we were tying mats... few chairs here n there and keeps the bar off the ground for concrete to get under
@Indy Rock When my father did it, I remember him sitting it on what I called feet, and all was tied in properly. Sounds like the same thing you mention.
Poured my pool apron in 1992, no rebar, plus a 14' x 24' patio. As of June 2023 , in New Hampshire USA, NO CRACKS, Thanks to Dana Kimball Masonry in Danville NH and Fiberglass he recommended. Amen. TY brother Dana. Jim Gibbs
Know what pisses me off? People getting pissed that customers are asking questions about a 5 million dollar job. Be a man. Educate your customers. You know, the ones that pay you. If you dont have the personality to be patient with customers, maybe you are in the wrong role in your industry.
Yep rebar doesn't go on the ground, makes it draw moisture and rust faster, it's also supposed to be in the middle of the concrete not bending in the bottom of the slab, chairs are required for inspection for a reason, this video is fiber enforced concrete I believe
The reason you can’t have rebar on the ground while pouring concrete is because it is supposed to add structural stability from both sides of the concrete
@Dullish plays okay well that's not what I'm getting at. This guy really sounds like he's being sarcastic. So I'm assuming the customer got the quote for there driveway, it was to high, so the customer decided to omit the rebar and the cost to put it in. I dont know I'm just speculating but if this is a professional concrete company, I don't think they would make the pour with out rebar unless they were told to do it anyway, so many people jump to conclusions but there are so many variables and lack of context , to just jump into the idea that that this is just a shitty company, the customer might just be cheap, and short sighted
@Dullish plays to add one more thing here, from what I understand ,being in a trade. Concrete and rebar are two separate trades, and trained differently so it would be two separate contractors, but I might be wrong about that
This is really interesting to me because it was recommended almost right after watching Practical Engineering's video on "the mindblowing cost of rust." (Really good vid btw. Absolutely recommended) And while I'm not a civil engoneer, it does make sense that the closer to the edge of the concrete, the more elements the rebar is exposed to, the faster it will rust. I dont know of that's why they said it, but it would make sense to me.
Rebar stops the concrete cracking from cold and hot days makes it stronger at last longer it's not even hard too place down and if it's really cold you need isopor plates fiber material for growth of weeds etc
7" Plus slump, no reinforcement, 4" thick, on uncompacted soil that looks like it contains a significant amount of clay. Oh, and no expansion joints or crack control on a long pour either. Rebar has to have some embedment in the concrete to work. They make little plastic and block standoffs for this very reason. He's tired of people saying he's not doing it right? I dunno, maybe if he did it right they wouldn't complain? I wouldn't let this guy pour me a glass of water.
No joke. Idk which is worse, the fact he complains about people complaining about him not doing his job right, or the fact he KNOWINGLY weakened the foundation and structure of that driveway. Silly question but I built septic tanks and storm shelters, what exactly is gonna happen to this driveway? The same as a shitbox or storm shelter, weak concrete falling off in chunks?
@@johnwaddles6718 residential driveway it is not req in most places as a majority of consumer vehicles aren't going to be heavy enough to cause it to break in a short time. Microcracks prob, these would expand into full cracks/breaks in the long term. Garages will typically have reinforcement as it is supporting a structure which can come down if the concrete breaks. On the same notion though, if is it used there are clearance requirements. Not adhering to these, leaves you with potentially bigger issues then not using it.
I am a rebar detailer and as to the first part yes rebar needs clearance. Part to lots of site work slabs like the drive ways dont have rebar. Home builders are notorious for just doing whatever for bar
Rebar doesn’t prevent concrete from cracking. It may hold the cracked pieces together but concrete with rebar still cracks. Whats better to prevent cracking is geo grid and or fiber mesh. I’ve done concrete for 30 years with 20 years my own 5 star business. Ive poured concrete no rock base and no rebar 20 years ago that is still intact like the day it was poured. It’s about soil integrity, vehicle traffic, thickness, and mix.
He's just forming pouring and finishing, he won't be around in 7 years after all the lawsuits and PIs get on his case..he'll be on some island living like a king, making sure the people who pour his concrete use stone and rebar after preparing the ground..
I think you need a rebar. I have two properties 1992 property has a rebar and year 2000 property has no rebar and has already a cracked. First property has no cracks until now.
Dipshit the guy was being sarcastic, you can pour a 6-8” driveway without rebar… because you use fiber dumbass 😂 watched the Latinos on my site pour a 1,250,000 sq ft floor for a FedEx distribution center. They used zero rebar for the floor. Please don’t let things go over your head or make assumptions when you obviously have zero knowledge
It's hard to find a company who does good fiber fill. It's good stuff. I had my garage done in it so I didn't have to worry about corrosion from the rebar.
The guy drives a concrete truck, he's not the one in charge of or responsible for the construction of the driveway. He just gets the mix where it needs to go and dumps it where they tell him to. He played you whiners like a fiddle and got huge engagement on the video as a result lol
@@Mister_Lahey I don't care. He still chose to stay silent when he could have said something but he didn't because he is pretty. My point stands, and also literally everyone making shorts is trying to psychologically trick people into commenting. You aren't some genius for realizing he is trying to get engagement on the video.
that build will have an architect and engineer. concrete guy will do what's spec'd, no more. if rebar isn't required why would he put it in? concrete will last longer without it unless physically damage
I love how no one is noticing that this is a mixer driver and he is mocking the poor excuses for contractors that are really laying the driveway. He actually has nothing to do with the planning or staging or forming of the pour. His sole job is to drive to the job and pump out the mix 🤦🏻♂️
Exactly, when he hosed off his truck, he’s the Mixer driver. Unless he’s a fancy independent, towing his own pump. Slabs use wire sheets of 6” grids. He’s probably seen many of F’d up pours. When this pour cracks, parts will separate.
That concrete doesn’t hold up during a wet freeze or over long periods of time with absolutely no rebar supports, shit will settle sink and crack 100% of the time without rebar
Fiber is an additive not a replacement. Concrete strength in a sidewalk can work without rebar with minimal cracking. But parking vehicles on concrete 6" thick with no rebar will fail early regardless of the additive.
Sorry Sunn Days. You are completely wrong it was a cheaper designed to replace rebar some how approved in the building industry which actually does crack. This idiot is asking for a lawsuit. Any respectable concrete contractor that prefers to keep a good recommendation will suggest to an owner or a GC will recomend using/ additional use of rebar and or wire mess matting even on pouring fibercrete. The cracks in poured fiber w/ out rebar usually occure for a # of un seen conditions, freezing /seasonal climate changes , tree roots , ground settlement, ect.... .driveways in Florida are poured w/ Fibercrete all the time. They always crack. Our concrete contractors always recommend you add the rebar or @ least wire mesh. .
If rebar is in the design, rebar must go in. And what's the spec on California for rebar? I haven't looked at it in a long time but i think it's 1.5in from normal soil. All you need is 1.5in dobies. If you're going to take it until you make it, #4 bar @12in on center with 1.5in dobies. That Alan probably calls for #5 bars at 12in on center BUT few people can see the difference in a picture.
“People get angry when I don’t do my job properly, so to stick it to them I’m just gonna do the job worse and then upload the evidence to RU-vid so it can be used against me.” Ignoramus
Dad was a Seabee. Laid 3 garage floors with the man. Every time we lifted the rebar into the concrete. Those three floors out lasted the structures. 70 years and not a crack. Those three floors became handstands for parking heavy equipment. The owner is hoping they start cracking to remove them when it's time.
1. All those people were right, 2. You're not terribly bright., and 3. When that new structure's owners and their lawyers are done with you, You'll be happy to be burried under that mess.
So your to full of yourself, your Ruled by false pride, you can't handle a conversation and turn it around in a way that makes the customer happy but also educates them... Then you shouldn't start a business.
As someone who works with concrete as a construction service technician that concrete is going to crack and shatter once you put more than 21,000 lbs on it, rebar is there as a footing for the concrete to sit on so it doesn’t shift the sun base gravel beneath it causing soft spots for cracking.
The reason for reinforcement is to hold the concrete together when it cracks. And it WILL crack. There's not one contractor that will guarantee concrete won't crack.
In all actuality you don't really need any rebar for a regular driveway at your house. The concrete can hold all that from your regular vehicles parked at your home. The only rime you really need rebar is when you are going to have some real heavy duty vehicles that weigh more than what you normally drive on a daily basis.
What is going to really piss you off is when they tell you that you have to remove and replace the slab because it cracked and you did not follow specs.
@@censors_starve Region and earthquake zones too, a mess, use rebar, take picture customer signs off, earthquake 3 years later, your clear. 5 Million dollar structure, do a top job.
Why does it make you mad? Why can't you just realize everyone is right the rebar should be in the concrete towards the center not laying on the bottom of the concrete rusting away from the ground moisture.dont let it make you mad let it make you better
