This Ruined Gibson Murphy Lab Guitars for Me

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@DaddyOAmps 5 месяцев назад

Most people already know how guitar relics are done. There are articles and videos on how to do it all over the internet. They didn't really let anything new out of the bag.

@lowercase3635 5 месяцев назад

Yeah I don’t get how people are taken aback by it. It’s common knowledge.

@TheRockinmac 4 месяца назад

Yeah it's like chicken in the grocery store. It was once alive and to get on the shelf it had to be killed. How did you think they done it?

@petermoss208 3 месяца назад

@@TheRockinmacbrilliant

@JackR617 2 месяца назад

@@TheRockinmacI won’t have it killed for me. I can no longer eat it. And I’m going to use my guitars. We are only here for a short time. Use your stuff and enjoy it. My dad was doing that with everything. His car, anything new and trying to keep things new looking. I think because he grew up poor. I started doing it and realized I’m not enjoying my car I’m not using things. I’m saving them. I made a change. I’m not going to go down that road. I treat my stuff well but I no longer drive myself crazy. Play your guitars and enjoy them.

@GuitarJawn 5 месяцев назад

It's the prices that ruined it for me

@jltrem 5 месяцев назад

I'm part of a disappearing breed who gets sick and has to go to bed for a few days when he puts a ding in one of his guitars.

@hillelmusic 5 месяцев назад

This is why I’m into the relic thing. Not just for the look… it’s because for me it is an artistic way of eliminating my give-a-damn about dents dings and scratches. Less mental energy allotted being on guard against belts, pocket knives, kids,my EDC holster, pets, kids, 😅 more mental energy on playing. I have my “BBQ” guitars and then I have my players 👍🏽

@jltrem 5 месяцев назад

@@hillelmusic I'm old. I can't change.

@jasong546 5 месяцев назад

I totally understand

@dustinscott5628 5 месяцев назад

@@hillelmusicis a bbq guitar a nice one that comes out sometimes?

@superglassbucks6356 5 месяцев назад

I have some super custom Warrior Guitars I traded for with a dealer. NOS 59 Isabella’s I am so afraid to play them unless I pull from the case and put them back immediately

@mathmusicstructure 5 месяцев назад

Imagine having a full time job of scratching expensive guitars with keys and railroad spikes

@m.d.4949 5 месяцев назад

No brainer!😂

@ManchurianCounterweight 5 месяцев назад

It would feel so good.

@namegoeshere2805 2 месяца назад

It's an incredibly brilliant scam lol

@ZiddersRooFurry 2 месяца назад

@@namegoeshere2805 Only it's not a scam.

@steverushforth7009 5 месяцев назад

I worked for a company that produced high-end repro furniture, they could "distress" to match the customer's real antique furniture, the main distressing was done with hydrogen peroxide to simulate years of sun bleaching, and the surface was then heated with heat guns and liquid nitrogen spread on this gave the micro-cracking, hitting with chains, etc was for the cheaper manufactures. PS The actual French polishing and grain filling also "aged the finish"

@fiftyghoststrading8500 5 месяцев назад

What did you expect? A highly-specialized, extremely expensive toolset to bang things up? _That_ would be dumb.

@dcamnc1 5 месяцев назад

The more videos I watch of his, the less I'm interested in his opinion on things.

@markn4526 5 месяцев назад

@@dcamnc1 Yeah, I'm not sure if he is pretending to have just cursory knowledge for effect or if he really isn't very knowledgeable.

@yayayaokoksure 5 месяцев назад

I dont recall ever banging my guitar against a railroad spike in the past 30yrs. Or anything similar for that matter.

@AD4M1873 5 месяцев назад

@@yayayaokoksureit’s about finding and using objects that will create realistic looking wear or damage. All the damage and wear that is put on Murphy lab guitars is replicated from actual old and vintage guitars, so if there is a certain ring somewhere specific, it is more than likely that Tom has seen that in an original guitar. Again, the railroad spike is just an object that can be used to create that ding or whatever, it’s got nothing to do with someone accidentally hitting their guitar with it

@ChristopherHolmgren 5 месяцев назад

The Murphy interview did not reveal any secrets. Good talk, but not all that revealing...I think he was willing to talk (to a point) but he needed to be asked. He wasn't just going to tell all. The guitars seem great, but I wouldn't go more than light aged.

@picksalot1 5 месяцев назад

Relicing/antiquing is an old practice, and has been done on violins for centuries, and guitars more recently. I prefer the wear and tear that was acquired honestly by thousands of hours of playing on a instrument someone loved. That said, relicing can make a guitar look like it has character, and I understand the appeal. Personally, I'd rather pay for an instrument that sounds good than one that just looks good.

@johnsmith-oh2xo Месяц назад

Amen brother love my worn in old 89 Greco EG59-70 that has dings and dent's and marks on it not bad but lovely honest player wear....

@naturalianoss Месяц назад

they just want our money right? I am curious what is the next crap they will come out in the future !

@BaroqueBlues 5 месяцев назад

I worked on a solid color Murphy's lab for a client & paint chips just fall off the neck if you lightly touch it even with a smooth microfiber cloth. Gibson doesn't even care, they act like it's something to expect & just part of the relicing... It's definitely a quality control issue... I've worked on a 200 year old guitar with a more stable finish. At the end of the day, it's made by CNC machine so the price tag isn't justified.

@Newnodrogbob 5 месяцев назад

If you’re going to apply a finish and have it check instantly without having to do anything to it, it’s not a sturdy finish…

@someonecalledjoe6368 5 месяцев назад

That was an issue with a particular year.They're not all like that.

@ScottsGuitar 5 месяцев назад

May have been original run, they aren’t like that now. I own 2 and they’re great. I’ve put at least 600hrs on my R9 and neck looks like the day I bought it, no chips.

@SaintFredrocks 5 месяцев назад

But it says Gibson on the headstock so it HAS to be bestisus guitar EVER.

@SLO7HProductions 5 месяцев назад

It was only an early batch. It's been fixed. Mat from Gibson Product Development said so himself during AMA. "Adding a small rant here about Murphy Lab lacquer checking based upon a thread I saw on the other forum (I am not a member). Yes in late 2020/early 2021 there was a batch of Murphy Lab Les Pauls with aniline dye backs where the cherry filler batch we received was faulty. It was not adhering properly and causing extreme checking and flaking on the back, sides and neck -- this is 'bad batch' issue you've likely heard about. We corrected it immediately, but since that time, it seems there is just a lot of hesitation about what constitutes the "ideal" Murphy Lab finish behavior, and rightly so...I get it. So let me be clear -- as the ML card insert says, Murphy Lab lacquer is designed to behave like it does on 50s instruments. It will continue to check and age, and this process is expedited based on environmental conditions. If you buy an Ultra Light aged Murphy Lab guitar, please treat it like you would an original '59 burst in that condition. If you leave it in your trunk on a very hot or very cold day, leave it in the sun for an extended period, etc -- the finish will continue to check in unpredictable ways. But that kind of checking is in no way related to the filler issue a couple years ago. It's to be expected. OK rant over!" Source: www.lespaulforum.com/index.php?threads/hey-its-mat-from-gibson-product-development-ama.217826/page-78#post-2931592

@Shiznitt_ 5 месяцев назад

I am not a fan of the aged finishes, but it is hard to replicate wear in a way that looks good and they do a good job at that. I think it was cool to see the tools they use to make it happen. When you are buying a replica of an old guitar, some people want it to look new, some people want it to look used. To each their own. Personally, ill be sticking with my USA Standard :P That 2002 is a beauty

@yayayaokoksure 5 месяцев назад

It's not "hard." Practice on a few guitars and you could do it too. Or just play the one you have like you don't care if it scratches etc.

@frankwebster9110 5 месяцев назад

Normal wear and tear and a little time. I guess people dont have patience these days. As you work and play your guitar, that relic look will happen naturally..o@@yayayaokoksure

@CrazyLazyDave 5 месяцев назад

@@frankwebster9110 some of us won't live enough decades to put 60 years of natural patina on our guitars.

@yayayaokoksure 5 месяцев назад

@@CrazyLazyDave so buy a used one. Paying thousands of dollars for some ol boy to bang a new guitar with keys is silly.

@CrazyLazyDave 5 месяцев назад

@@yayayaokoksure have you ever looked at the price of 60 year old Les Pauls?

@TheCwilkie79 5 месяцев назад

I never liked the idea, and had an order for a 59 VOS. While waiting for it to arrive, a light aged Murphy Labs arrived in the store. I tried it, and it felt and sounded like home. It just felt like a nicely worn guitar I’d owned for my whole life. I never intended to buy one, however after playing it I bought it instantly and cancelled my VOS order. To be fair, it wasn’t a lot more expensive. It also just felt like the one - Murphy labs or not. I like the honesty of the interview, and it didn’t change how I felt about my own ML 59. I absolutely love it. Having said that, I still get that’s it’s not for everyone, and I certainly would not have paid several thousand more for an ultra heavy aged!

@CrazyLazyDave 5 месяцев назад

I think if they handed you the tools and you tried to do yourself, you'd feel differently about how much skill is involved in it turning out good and not ruining any guitars. I could be wrong of course 🤷‍♂️

@juanvaldez5422 22 дня назад

Lol

@ejmachuca9355 5 месяцев назад

Gibson insists on selling their oldest technology at exhorbanent prices. Even if Murphy himself "ages" the guitar, it is still a brand new build. New parts, new wood etc. It's not an old guitar.

@johnsmith-ug5tp 5 месяцев назад

Hello comrade, in your communist mind what is a "Fair" price for a Murphy lab or USA Gibson? You do realize it costs money to produce a product? You have to pay to get the wood and hardware for the guitar to Nashville, The expense to maintain the buildings/facilities, insurance, electricity, heat, water, A/C maintenance, supplies, PAYROLL, medical/dental, training, shipping, and a dozen other expenses. After you factor in all this, they are lucky to make 200 to 300 bucks per their USA Gibsons.

@laivasimo8427 5 месяцев назад

@@johnsmith-ug5tp Dude I don't think you have to be a communist to think 8000 - 10000€ for a guitar is quite a lot 🙂

@puffin11 5 месяцев назад

@@johnsmith-ug5tp What are you waffling on about?!?! There is no way it costs more than $1000-1500 per Gibson Les Paul. If it did, how do other USA made guitars like Keisel cost so much less? I don't think they're losing money. Also, a Murphy Lab costs 2-3x (or more) as much as an American Standard. There's no way it cost them 2-3x as much just to scratch it a bit and use a different lacquer (as all the other costs you mention would be pretty much the same for a Murphy Lab and Standard Les Paul).

@christopheranderson2158 5 месяцев назад

It’s about TIME! The aging process is TIME CONSUMING. That equals LABOR COST. Why do people insist on pissing and moaning about Gibson’s prices, but not PRS....or Keisel.....or Suhr.

@johnsmith-ug5tp 5 месяцев назад

Waffling? HA You are easily confused by facts and economics 101 huh? ha @@puffin11

@trev3971 5 месяцев назад

How did you think they did it before? When replicating wear that was caused by belt buckles, microphone stands, and stage doors, little bits of metal is the most authentic way to do it quickly.

@Kjm041 5 месяцев назад

You’re playing is immense! As someone that follows a bunch of RU-vid guitarists, you’re playing really is top notch as is the tone. Feel free to share how you get that tone! I’d watch that all day

@christopherem3108 3 месяца назад

I currently own a Murphy Lab R8 that was lightly aged by the Murphy Lab, then Wildwood gave it to Danocaster and he did his thing on it. I'm ambivalent on relics; I'd never buy a guitar *because* it's reliced, but if it's a guitar that I like, I don't care whether it's reliced or not. I bought the R8 because I love the neck, and it sounds exceptional.

@JohnNathanCordyFactBot-br8is 5 месяцев назад

Much how the state of Virginia is named after Elizabeth the First, John Cordy inspired the naming of Chad, as well as Smallness, Rhode Island.

@stevest3v3 4 месяца назад

........Yeh, Christmas hasn't been same for me since I was told there's no Santa Claus!

@achill3usoverclocking874 5 месяцев назад

I found it cute you were thinking there is a random ding generator at the back of the muphy lab :) But honestly I have no problem with that how they are doing it, because the biggest take away for me are those authentic colors and painting you will have no other chance getting but buying a murphy lab. those golden poppy bursts are killer, no matter how bashed they are. but i get your point, ultra light aging is the most tasteful they are doing the best for most ppl i think.

@LysanderLH 5 месяцев назад

what was that epically beautiful intro you played? I’m looking into buying an all in one, as long as I play more than I change parameters, and the solo tone you used in the intro is exactly what I would like to have as a preset. I’m also feeling as if i’m a bit late to the game of modellers etc and keep finding myself wondering about their longevity. Am I right to be concerned and to wait the eternal wait for the unit to end all units or do I just get one and be happy? Line 6 might be at about my level of competence/ patience? Thoughts?

@colinrobinson9674 5 месяцев назад

What model of LP are u holding in this video?

@ksharpe10 5 месяцев назад

He has a 2002, Regular, I believe.

@zlahan88 2 месяца назад

what is the name of color finish?

@tonyb9864 5 месяцев назад

Nice but I'll stick with my Epi '59. 🙂

@plecogod 5 месяцев назад

I can definitely see how an "aged neck" on a new guitar would be comfortable to play. I have two Squier Strats that are 25 and a 26 year old. The maple necks not only turned a dark amber color over time, but they feel smooth and amazing to play. These guitars also show why a poly finish is better (for me) than a nitro finish. Despite their age, other than normal play wear, there is no finish checking or chips in the finish. The idea of paying a premium for a guitar that already sells for a huge premium, just to make it look old and played in, is downright silly to me.

@kengoodman7719 5 месяцев назад

The relicing does look cool - up to a point, anyway. But it seems ironic that for a brand new, unreliced, custom shop guitar they want $5k. But to then increase the aged look on the same guitar by throwing a bunch of screws at it and now charge a premium for that up to TWICE the amount - this seems like someone is being conned somewhere. Sorry. Merry Christmas! God Bless!

@joetowers4804 5 месяцев назад

I can trash your guitar for only $200.

@RealRiffRaf 5 месяцев назад

I think the best relic is the one you make on your own instrument. When I get a new guitar I enjoy it as it comes. As days go by I start finding these little marks here and there and I don’t get sad nor happy, but after 5 years you can clearly feel the instrument is really yours. I can’t imagine paying a fee just for the look and missing out on this whole aging experience I get by myself.

@rocketdoggo 5 месяцев назад

The heavier relics just come across as borrowed valor.

@frankwebster9110 5 месяцев назад

Well put. Borrowed is putting it lightly though. It's always seemed pretentious to me

@jaygooch1190 5 месяцев назад

My les Paul has started to get worn on the back and I see it as a badge of honor because it all came from many hours of me playing it

@jlow532 2 месяца назад

Agree with this 100% you've worn it your self from your consistent practice and love of the music. Paying for the wear is lame.

@JackR617 2 месяца назад

If it’s polyurethane it’s not going to age. Not in your lifetime. Only nitro.

@redbarchetta8782 5 месяцев назад

I'm now 14 years into relicing my R9. Starting to look like it's been used now. ;)

@NotoriousEDC 5 месяцев назад

I’m a fan of your channel and I say this with complete respect - how did you think the dings and dents get into the finish? The interview did make me laugh because I felt like ‘…of course it’s a dude hitting a guitar with a set of keys for $6k 🤦‍♂️“ Coming from the product photography world and seeing how prop stylists achieve different effects, we often had to do things the most efficient way, so seeing someone swinging a set of keys at a guitar didn’t surprise me. At least they went through the ‘trouble’ of getting matching keys for everyone 😆 Keep up the awesome videos and playing!

@rianadams4837 2 месяца назад

I'm a fortunate owner of an old Gibson and a Murphy Lab that mirrors it. The Murphy Lab is a fantastic playing and sounding guitar; I rarely put it in a case. It's also a work of art, not simply wood with strings. I do understand where John is coming from, but I respectfully see it from a different perspective. Art is about the relationship the artist creates between themselves, their work, and the buyer--If the type of brushes the artist uses or the price their art commands are the main concerns, then you have to differentiate between being at an art gallery vs an art auction or sale.

@waltertrees2412 Месяц назад

How did you think the relic was done?

@serkanonf 5 месяцев назад

Idea behind relic guitar is bringing it home without hassle and say "I bought this old guitar with a great deal." 😂

@ADFinlayson 5 месяцев назад

As someone that makes and finishes guitars and has dabbled in ageing, I can assure you that it isn't easy to do well and it does take a lot of time. Modern Gibsons from the main factory are finished with a pre-cat cellulose lacquer so they aren't prone to ageing, very difficult to make them check. I'm not into heavy relics personally but I do like my lacquer to age and check over time. It would be nice if all Gibsons came that way so if you wanted it aged you could just leave it out in the winter for a few hours and get some checking. But that mean's they're way more likely to check during shipping, so it's a really obvious business decision to keep the nitro finishes in the Murphy lab/custom shop.

@kennygardner5041 5 месяцев назад

I am on the fence. I prefer nice shiny clean guitars. I never ever gig with a dirty guitar. Want it to look good like my muscle car! Having said that, early this year I bought a Les Paul Std. Faded ‘50’s. Satin finish not aged obviously but the TONE!!! Neck feels great, tone is warm! I have played Custom Shop Gibson VOS models and I like them a lot! In general the thinned finish allows the wood to breathe and to me sounds better. Same thing on relic’d Fenders. Some people want all the dings and stuff but for me it is about tone and the feel. Warmer more inviting.

@TomsonTheOne 5 месяцев назад

What put me off most from the interview is learning about their "custom lacquer", that not only ages way quicker, but also comes off more easily. I would assume that such a guitar will not "age as gracefully" as an instrument with a normal old lacquer that has some miles on it..

@bigknuckle9689 5 месяцев назад

I like the light aging. It’s just the “broke-in” feeling. Makes me feel like I want to use it instead of just stare at it. Not a fan of the heavy relic, just makes it look like nobody cares about that guitar, but we all love worn in boots and jeans.

@stevest3v3 4 месяца назад

Was Tom using the key to the front or back door?

@darwinsaye 2 месяца назад

I don’t get how people consider “aging” and damage to be the same. I think they should just use nickel plated hardware on the guitar and finish it with the thinnest possible acrylic finish - thin enough that you can still feel the grain through it, the way nice furniture is finished. Then when you just use the guitar normally, you will have a nice vintage-aged looking instrument in less than a year.

@kevinp_25 5 месяцев назад

All I need to know is what tone you were using at the beginning. Glorious tone!

@Vakilando 5 месяцев назад

What I alkways find super funny: When you sell a used regular Gibson Custom shop with wear which just happended it will lower the selling price, when it's "aged" you will be able to get a higher price. This is really a wild concept.

@Cottonrocket 5 месяцев назад

If you talk to Chris at K-Line, he’ll tell you that with his guitars it’s more time-consuming and laborious to make a perfect NOS finish than his closet-classic or full relic guitars. They don’t all start out perfect and then receive relic. There are more steps of wet, sanding, and spraying and polishing to get things to lay flat and glossy on an NOS Guitar. I used to be a fan of relic guitars, and have owned several custom shop models. But something switched in me a few years ago, and I realized I was paying more for less. And I actually like the look of a perfectly finished guitar. I’m not opposed to an old guitar that has honest wear, but I’d like to put that wear on myself.

@willdenham Месяц назад

I was bemoaning the weather shock checking on my LP Custom, saying that I should have been better with its care and my bandmate turned to me and said 'Dude, people pay for this sh#@!t.'

@ehmmmjay9907 5 месяцев назад

Unfortunately, the Murphy Lab has become to the Custom Shop what the CS was to Gibson USA - ie, they get first dibs on the woods before the CS and Gibson USA.

@chaos4316 Месяц назад

I specialise in making relic guitars out of a custom shop. That this ‘spoiled’ the mystique of relic designed guitars is odd. Depending on the level of wear you’re fabricating, there is every kind of tool/item used to create what I call controlled chaos. I’ve used scalpels, so many kinds of blades, files, the ground I’m standing on, keys, cigarettes, heat, cold, various metal objects, acid… it’s a long list. My most recent work was an EVH Frankie replica. That took a while with extreme attention to detail, level of wear between the 3 colours. It’s as era accurate as possible. It’s that magnified attention to detail that makes a good luthier. The dings, scratches, fades etc… it has to mimic the origin of how and when they happened on the real thing, and there is an art to it that took years to perfect.

@chaos4316 Месяц назад

I’ll add, I think relic guitars are a love/hate thing. I’ve always loved them, but Gibson don’t impress me at all.

@adamstrachn 5 месяцев назад

I never thought it was a secret guitar brands relic this way. As far as I know guitars with any relic are done this way, no matter the brand.

@Zackryvengelmc 4 месяца назад

I think a lot of people were expecting more mystique to it. While I think there is more to it than just banging railroad spikes and scraping keys, it has to be done in a believable way. It’s almost like people were half expecting the ML to have some sort of Time Machine and secret vault that they traveled to 1959 and stored guitars in and tracked back to present time and retrieved. I own a “ultra light aged” R9 from 2021, that period where the filler and finish was faulty and it jacked with the final product, that being said I’m still 100% happy with it and it’s my main gigging guitar. While it’s kinda apples to oranges I have a real 76 custom lp that’s been through the wringer and my Murphy lab has that same old feel as the 76 custom.. making a short story long, I don’t think it ruins it for me, it just shows that sometimes it’s pretty cool what people are able to accomplish with things you wouldn’t have thought of using and when you find out its actually for lack of better description, keys and railroad spikes, you feel duped when in reality, it’s still the same awesome guitar you fell in love with.

@seancollins3106 5 месяцев назад

There's a reverb mini-doc with Dennis Fano going through the whole process at Novo. Fano showed basically the same stuff as they use in the Murphy Lab. I don't think the interview with Lee Anderton let any genie out of the bottle... Anybody who's been aware of relic'd guitars for awhile knows this already.

@foxmeisteruk 5 месяцев назад

I've seen probably dozens of RU-vid videos showing guitars being reliced, and these techniques were used in all of them.

@jayartz8562 5 месяцев назад

Ive got an amazing relic'd Strat, it only took me 35 years to get the finish almost right, still working on it.

@nickk9285 5 месяцев назад

Tom Murphy has always had his bag of tricks and his never ever tried to hide it as a big secret, l personally like the ultra lights so l bought one and as Tom has said “Ohh yeah the ultra lights will age depending on how much you play them” and his right mine has aged considerably whereas the heavy aged and the ultra heavy aged guitars, well he really doesn’t know where they can go from there ……

@Guitarooster52 5 месяцев назад

I’ve got two “custom shop” guitars that came out shiny and perfect. Both are showing signs of age being 15-18 years old. They are not extremely beat up because I try to respect the craftsmanship and cost. What they show in aging has happened honestly.

@jackprice7828 5 месяцев назад

Merry Christmas John! Interesting video. I personally don't get intentionally aging or stressing a guitar. Using original woods and laquers, sure, But they got to do some serious justifications that stressing a guitar really helps the tone. Otherwise if it has no purpose in making the tone better, I say leave it alone.

@AC9ZR 5 месяцев назад

Nash has been doing it for decades, love mine and it's never been a mystery. All of them do it this way. Checking is usually down with a facto knife to start. It is what it is. I love my Nash and how chewed up it is

@a_low_note 4 месяца назад

I've found greater satisfaction with Heritage guitars than Gibsons in general...

@Dan-of-NJ 5 месяцев назад

Beautiful tune at the onset...your creativity never ceases to amaze me

@ingot129 5 месяцев назад

I think it's Christmas Lights by Coldplay

@imunchienandalusia 5 месяцев назад

i don't so much care for the relicing but how those guitars feel and sound. I was going to buy a VOS les paul one day, but picked up a heavy aged goldtop (which aesthetically i'm not that into) and it just sounded like an old guitar so i bought it on the spot. Maybe it was just that particular one but to me the Murphys are different. My benchmark, my brother has a 60s SG and i always wanted a les paul that feels and sounds like that one. This one was as close as i could get since i can't afford vintage. I'm not a rich guy so it the murphy was a significant purchase for me. Just my experience.

@gregorylumpkin2128 5 месяцев назад

Man that is a tune right out of the heart and soul of people who struggle to move forward, to take care of family and friends, and to overcome tyranny.

@simonsmith2642 5 месяцев назад

My 335, has whats called “Patina” theres no dent or dings or wear, its a very light age that just feels real nice. Maybe the best guitar I own, and yes ou can tell the finish is very light, and the plastics and binding is absolutely different, and yes its hand wired unpotted custom buckers. But it didnt feel lik a production line thick sticky feeling nitro, and the chrome has slight patina it felt like a nice used guitar, I absolutely did not want relic’d. At all. I want my play wear on it but it does feel like an old guitar that was kept in the case for years and well cared for but, it feels played in. Side by side with my production line, there was no comparison the custom wasnt even in the same ball park it was a completely different guitar. Way above my standard. So I sold the standard. But the finish. Light patina is cool, thats as far as I go. Eder would call it a “Journyman” finish I suppose.

@monahantp3767 5 месяцев назад

Agree with your thoughts regarding the aging. Being that I'm a woodworker who refurbishes furniture, I understand how aging parts (in my case furniture) to make new parts blend with the old, original parts makes sense-- and there is a real art to it. Concerning "relic" guitars, I think most people already suspect that heavy relicing involves methods antithetical to proper guitar care. Personally, I like the feel of the relic models (whatever finish Gibson/Fender are using), but not enough to pay such a premium. An oiled, roasted maple neck has a similar feel, for example, and is far less costly.

@googo151 2 месяца назад

I personally hate distressed guitars. I'd rather put the damage on myself, by way of gigging and travel.

@alecfraser1928 5 месяцев назад

I think the heavy relic stuff misses the point. What we want is a guitar that plays as well as those made in the late 50s / early 60s and looks how they were in their prime in the late 60s - mid 70s. They were only 10-15 years old at the time and looked pretty clean for the most part unless they had been stripped or refinished. The only heavily worn guitar I remember from the time was Rory Gallagher's Strat. It wasn't till the late 80s / early 90s that you would see a lot of 50s finishes cracking and flaking badly.

@paulsimmons5726 20 часов назад

I’ve played a few Murphy Lab guitars and they’re pretty cool, whatever the distress level, but the cost factor is insane! Great video, thanks for sharing!

@ksharpe10 5 месяцев назад

Historic Makeovers is around the corner from where I live, Ironically I do not know the Guys that work there. They have been redoing regular Gibsons into 50's replicas, for at least 10 years now.

@DGAB955 Месяц назад

For me, it is the ridiculous prices they are asking for the relicing. Got a heavy reluced custom build strat for half of what they ask for their heavy reliced guitars, and I still think it was a ridiculous price for what basically is, someone damaging your guitar.

@paulborg9239 3 месяца назад

So how do you think the damage and distressing was caused? If not by someone applying some 'considered' abuse using abrasive materials. . and how would you have preferred tne process to have been implemented? For what it's worth, I have a 2-month old ultra light aged LP, and was surprised how easily the paint and laquer comes off - I only have to look at it and another blemish appears 😂. However, I'm of a certain age and I don't have time to wait 40 years for a new guitar to look like ones I bought back in the 80s and 90s. I thought about the VOS, but they look and feel like a TV prop to me and remind me of those vintage pianos that get re lacquered, rather than French polished. So I guess it's really an individual choice and Gibson are trying to cover all bases. However, I think they need to make it really explicit that the ultra light and light aged models will continue to age rapidly. This fact is only ever mentioned in passing in interview etc... but should be advertised, as I suspect there must be a lot of people out there wondering if they accidentally keep dinging their new toy.

@christopherem3108 3 месяца назад

I had a '54 Les Paul Custom re-issue that Tom Murphy "reliced" using a razor blade. The re-sale value increased dramatically because it represented an early example of TM's relic-ing work. Beast of a guitar, too!

@thep2pband 5 месяцев назад

I found an ultra light aged R9 with a chevron flame. It feels played. Rolled fretboard edges and the hardware has the machined edges on the bridge and tailpiece smoothed out. The checking can’t been seen unless you’re close up. At that point, the flames are mesmerizing. That said, I wish it sounded like a burst. The pickups need an improvement. Tom’s lab does a great job on the finish, but they need an Artist to design the pickups. The neck pickup sounds like it’s muffled. The bridge is passable but needs to sound more open. I own a few guitars that have been played extensively by me at various festivals, concerts, clubs etc. over the last 40 years, and although they show signs of bumping here and there, maybe some checking, none have the bling wear and buckle rash or fretboard divots. I can’t see paying another 2K$ for that. It’s crazy. I checked out a heavy relic and I’ll admit, it was very convincing and thorough, I went with the ultra light model. The 10K list pushed me away. I played some Fender Masterbuilt’s from around 2010 and at that time they were 5K$. They were very convincing as well. Even had aged magnets. The bridge on the Strat was sweet not harsh. The aging thing is very polarizing. I guess if you’re old like me, buy a real vintage guitar if you want great feel and sound. You have to find a Tuesday guitar however. Those Monday and Friday guitars can be a bit off.😊

@djt6546 5 месяцев назад

Before considering time consuming and potentially expensive changes (like Pickups) in the future, I suggest looking into the cheapest mod first… Capacitors. If you hear/feel that there is tone held back when it comes out of a particular pickup and your amp, try swapping out your 0.022u cap for a 0.015u. I am currently working through my guitars and swapping out Caps where I feel the tone is veiled. This very quick and cheap change can transform the tone to my ears on my guitars, it does also add airiness when the tone control is fully open. When playing with gain and tone control is fully off this mod gives you better woman tone. It cries more. The tone is not just muffled any more it gives your guitar a different nasal quacky character with gain. Mileage varies from guitar to guitar, but when it works particularly well, it’s flipping marvellous. Be sure to check your POT readings too, as if they are well below 500k you’ll want to consider swapping them out with higher values. The same principle applies to single coils, albeit with 250k pots and possibly moving to 0.022u caps from 0.047u. I am using Monty’s Guitars 0.015u caps in the UK for my neck humbucker PuP’s, 50’s wiring approach and it’s amazing what a difference it can make, even without changing POT values or any other wiring tweaks.

@thep2pband 4 месяца назад

@djt6546 Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try. Easily reversible and much cheaper than a set of PAF's :)

@alexgarnett5373 5 месяцев назад

It’s much the same process we use in film props .. many different things are used to distress and age things. The key is to use research of real aging and use lots of different tools to create it. The trickiest thing to do is to keep it random looking and create layers. I quite like some relics but Saying that I saw a Murphy lab 335 heavy relic that looked absolutely terrible, it looked like someone had tried it for the first time and spilt tippex on the top.

@bluzzjazz 5 месяцев назад

My guitars have aged from playing them. I have some higher end guitars that I try and keep very clean. The one Novo I ordered a few years ago, was one of the last you get with no distress. Ice metallic blue and it's gorgeous still. I would just never pay an upcharge for distressing.

@ksharpe10 5 месяцев назад

JNC Bonus Christmas Video. Merry Christmas to the JNC FAMILY, Dogs included. The older finishes just did not have the Plasticizers in the formula, which resists the Checking.

@NFMorley 5 месяцев назад

Im not a huge relic fan (although a little neck/body wear can feel nice when playing), but in fairness to Gibson, I think everyone else uses the same methods for aging 'Vintage' Custom Shop models. The methods are well enough known, they're just the ones who have let customers, as you said, see how the sausage is made (which is a good analogy here, as knowledge of it may put off customers). Also I truly hate the feeling of that first scrape or ding on something, but after that the blemishes just become irrelevant to me. Take care of things sure, but instruments are things meant to be played and used and have their own character imo, not ornaments.

@hackdog69 5 месяцев назад

how did you think they did it?

@ShinMadero 5 месяцев назад

How did people think these were being relic'd? That's always the process. Making a clean guitar and hitting it with various metal objects. I don't really see the "mystique" of the Murphy Lab any more than a normal custom shop relic.

@joybuzzer 5 месяцев назад

I watched the whole interview with Tom Murphy and didn't think about it too much then, but then today when you said "seeing how the sausage is made", I think I totally agree with the points you're making in this video.

@JamesJLaRue 5 месяцев назад

This here is one of those sweaters that vaguely suggests chainmail armor and gives the wearer the presence of a knight.

@pgiuliano7 2 месяца назад

The nice thing about a relic guitar is that it looks age-appropriate. Also, so many people these days when you go to SELL Guitar on Reverb even if the guitar is legitimate 30 years old the buyers expect her not to be a scratch on it. But they’ll pay extra if you’ve paid extra to have scratches put on it. Also, you’re sounding a bit whiny that’s a beautiful guitar that you have no matter how, it was finished before you got it

@froblivion8284 5 месяцев назад

I personally think the whole Murphy Lab thing is just slick marketing of the kind of guitars Gibson should be putting out anyway. I’d be just as happy with a regular LP that has the X factor when when you play it. Play it enough & it will be better than Mr Murphy’s efforts for a lot less money. I’m not against relicing but price gouging is a problem for me & Gibson are masters at that imo. Hope you have a fantastic Christmas Nathan & a brilliant New Year. All the best 👍🎅🏿🤘

@monahantp3767 5 месяцев назад

Agreed. However, I wonder if "price gouging" is the correct term; Gibson is working to keep up with demand for its high priced "relic" guitars-- despite many of us suffering sticker-shock at what they're charging. Only when people stop paying the high prices will they come down... which doesn't look likely anytime soon~

@calmthemonster 5 месяцев назад

LOL ... The guy in the Santa costume comparison is perfect.

@Rhythmicons 2 месяца назад

The idea of deliberately damaging a guitar for cool factor ruined it for me.

@kkjhn41 4 месяца назад

You sound like the kid who just found out there's no Santa Claus. How did you think relicing was done? This is no secret, since the first reliced guitars everyone was aware of how dents and dings were done. This is one of the most trifling videos I've ever seen.

@johnnathancordy 4 месяца назад

There was no trifle in this video. Santa Claus is a good analogy....Some things you're better off not seeing - like what goes into making a Burger. Seeing the bloke who has his name on the Murphy lab just boink a guitar with a large spike looks a little silly, no?

@Foe1971 9 дней назад

Huh. I’ve always envisioned lab monkeys with power tools getting to have their way around the workshop. I can put that vision to bed now. Thanks. 🙏

@KenLasaine 5 месяцев назад

How else would one do it?

@fossilmatic 2 месяца назад

Early on in the introduction of relicing there were videos of people dropping keys on finishes. A funny parody video even showed a Strat being pulled along the ground behind a car on a rope😊. My suspicion has always been that installing a door on a room in the Gibson factory and putting “Murphy Lab” on it is an excuse to charge more for the same process that has been around for awhile. Perhaps the door at the other end of the room connects to the main factory and has a sign saying “B stock” on the other side of it?😅

@marziograva 5 месяцев назад

The best ´mojo´or smooth feel when playing a guitar is achieved by your own playing throughout the years, or by buying a very used instrument. An instrument that vibrated enough to have its wood settled, and a neck that was played enough to smoothing out naturally through playing motion. I can´t think of anything better - and this is my experienced opinion regarding heavy relic guitars from all big brands. We all may feel different about it, and that´s OK. We are all free to go and find what suits us best. :) Great video.

@johnmac8084 5 месяцев назад

Beautiful playing. I like me new guitars to look new. I didn't imagine the distressing was a pretty business, so not much changed for me.

@brentstewart59 5 месяцев назад

For $5K each I'd happily vandalize any Gibson too... probably even use a Dean for the relic process

@christopherguzzi1316 5 месяцев назад

Interesting. I figured they were using the type of tools and techniques he described. Although this did reveal the man behind the curtain a bit too much. What ruined it for me was how he described the vastly different finish used as opposed to what would have been used in the 50's and early 60's. I realize they can't use the exact same products for environmental reasons, etc. However, he described the finish as something that would relic very easily even with a VOS Murphy Lab finish. Almost as though a new Murphy Lab guitar will age much faster than a real '59 did. For my money, I'd prefer a carve, neck tenon, rosewood, inlays, tuners, burst pattern, finish, PAF pickups, wiring, pots etc. mimicking the originals as much as they are able to.

@monday6524 2 месяца назад

I didn't have a bad feeling about the video. It is why they have chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Folk have different preferences. I have a Les Paul custom with the VOS finish but want to put my own scratches on it. 😃

@bikergeekgd 5 месяцев назад

I believe that buying a "relic'd" guitar (especially for extra cost) is a total scam. And buyers of these abused instruments will find in future years that the resale value will be poor. Instrument aging should happen naturally and not be faked. Merry Christmas, John. Thanks for all of the great content.

@whiskeytangofoxtrot9403 5 месяцев назад

fake finishes are for status

@JJ-mb5kt 5 месяцев назад

I have known this is how Tom has aged his guitars for years. He has done interviews in the past on RU-vid we’re he explains the same thing using keys, blades, rail nails. If you have one done by Tom most people down know but he signs them with his initials using a blade. I have a 2010 r9 done by him a light aged I got when I was sixteen 28 now and have played it everyday almost since getting it and it now looks like almost heavy age. That’s how you age a guitar if it was just a freezer it still wouldn’t have all the magic that comes with them. The mystery doesn’t matter because it’s who does it not everyone can age a guitar.

@mustuddd 5 месяцев назад

I have a murphy lab. I genuinely love it and it inspires me to play. That said, I definitely feel conflicted about it's heavy relic being cool or not.

@someonecalledjoe6368 5 месяцев назад

It's not cool I'm afraid.A 90's Standard would look more authentic, and be a 1/4 of the price, and be much cooler.

@mustuddd 5 месяцев назад

@@someonecalledjoe6368 I have a USA Grace Potter flying V that I bought used about a decade ago. Genuinely hard to argue that guitar isn't better in every way, and was literally 1/6th the price of my ML Les Paul. I can't put the Les Paul down though, for whatever reason.

@wootks 5 месяцев назад

Buying a guitar where people age it artificially is 100% not cool. If paying the premium for a Gibson is for the “authenticity” why would you add fake aging and scratching. Stop trying to pretend it’s something it is not. It’s not a vintage guitar, it’s a pre-dinged new one. If the story behind your guitar’s wear is “oh some dude at a factory did it with railroad spikes” that is lame. Nobody cares other than you overspent by a huge margin.

@boshi9 5 месяцев назад

@@wootksPeople who buy relic’d guitars understand that they are new. It’s not about fake stories and all that. Some people just like the look. What’s wrong with that?

@mustuddd 5 месяцев назад

"Nobody cares other than you overspent by a huge margin." Exactly, so if no one cares why am I not free to enjoy it with impunity?

@rayfletcher9017 5 месяцев назад

Merry Christmas John, You truely are the gift that keeps on giving...

@ZiddersRooFurry 2 месяца назад

I am having trouble fathoming why any of this would get to you or anyone.

@warmitag 5 месяцев назад

How else do you think it'd be done?

@NicholasANappiNick 2 месяца назад

I put the slightest ding near the f hole of my es137 and been pissed of for over 15 years🥵🥵🥵

@michaelgriffin5304 5 месяцев назад

I have an original 68 Mustang with a lot of natural wear, looks so cool. I have a LP that I checked the back on for fun since it is already kind of beat up. Looks neat, especially since if you actually make it check, you can only see it when the light hits it a certain way. I completely agree with the interview, took some of the magic away for sure! I never understood the relic thing until very recently - it's a style/look. Some like it, some don't.

@DIYivan04 2 месяца назад

I don’t understand, how would you think they would do this??

@Faygo33 Месяц назад

Tom revealed this well before the Andertons video

@Funny-bf8xf 4 месяца назад

surely you didn't think anything different. how else would you get those fine intricate details on there?

@ThePlanarchist 5 месяцев назад

Never really understood relicing other than any part of the process that might make it play better (like the back of the neck as you mention). Totally agree that they can't have themselves any favour with this video. Bizarre.

@gravyblue 5 месяцев назад

It used to be that a reliced guitar was a a sign of an instrument that was unputdownable. Not any more.

@sroelit 5 месяцев назад

I dig the relic stuff. But I wear faded blue jeans and a distressed leather jacket. I watched Jackson Pollock create one of his paintings. It looked like a guy splattering paint on a canvas. Still thought it was genius.